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Dime
01-02-2005, 04:12 PM
The good news..... Draft pick now might be as low as 11 right now or as high as 16.

edo783
01-02-2005, 04:13 PM
I vote for 11. LOL

Texans Pride
01-02-2005, 04:15 PM
Who has to loose in order for us to get the 11th pick?

dtran04
01-02-2005, 04:17 PM
When is the draft?

nunusguy
01-02-2005, 04:17 PM
And we need all the high draft picks we can get - that's for sure. With Payne's latest injury and all the problems we have on O-line, what's the
top priority, O-line or D-line ?

TexSon
01-02-2005, 04:19 PM
O-line
D-line
TE
MLB

Dime
01-02-2005, 04:19 PM
Correction... 12 - 17th pick the best we could hope for.. I miscounted..

D-ReK
01-02-2005, 04:21 PM
And we need all the high draft picks we can get - that's for sure. With Payne's latest injury and all the problems we have on O-line, what's the
top priority, O-line or D-line ?

O-Line is a more pressing need but we'll probably pass on a 1st round OL selection...Chances are we either take Thomas Davis, SS, Georgia or Marcus Spears, DE, LSU...

Vinny
01-02-2005, 04:22 PM
Not really good news since this is such a thin draft. We will end up paying more for same talent.

Dime
01-02-2005, 04:23 PM
Not really good news since this is such a thin draft. We will end up paying more for same talent.

I was told it wasnt thin on Oline though....

Makechangesnow
01-02-2005, 04:24 PM
Better start looking for an NFL QB instead of a cutesy hair boy...

phan1
01-02-2005, 04:25 PM
I'd rather look for an O-lineman in free agency. Maybe we could land someone big?

Dime
01-02-2005, 04:27 PM
I'd rather look for an O-lineman in free agency. Maybe we could land someone big?

I would look for 3 people.. not just 1 in the free agency

Texans Pride
01-02-2005, 04:29 PM
Can someone tell me who has to loose for us to get the 12th pick?

Dime
01-02-2005, 04:30 PM
Can someone tell me who has to loose for us to get the 12th pick?

One sec.. and I will update it.

Anishin
01-02-2005, 04:30 PM
Guess a higher draft pick is one way to see the positive in this. Not sure how many people did get to see the Browns play before this, but IMO the are a BAD team, not just average, but BAD.

Hopefully things improve quite a bit next year, I'm not sure continually getting younger with high draft picks will do us much good. I also think the clock is starting to tick on some of out Vets, would mind seeing a pick or two traded for a Vet we could use.

Anyway, best to you all in the New Year.

Dime
01-02-2005, 04:36 PM
Can someone tell me who has to loose for us to get the 12th pick?


If any of these win... It improves us....

Rams
Chiefs
Panthers - Lost
Bengals - Won
Saints - Won

Texans Pride
01-02-2005, 04:38 PM
If any of these win... It improves us....

Rams
Chiefs
Panthers - Lost
Bengals - Won
Saints - Won


So since the Panthers lost the highest draft pick we can get will be 13th now? Is that correct, or did the Panther loss put us at the 12th?

Thanks for the info Dime

fresno8
01-02-2005, 04:40 PM
Better start looking for an NFL QB instead of a cutesy hair boy...
That cutesy boy has gotten his *** kicked for three yrs and had gotten back up every time, gotten better every year and has led his team to wins every year. Not sure why I even wasted my time replying to your comments. Oh well.

Dime
01-02-2005, 04:40 PM
So since the Panthers lost the highest draft pick we can get will be 13th now? Is that correct, or did the Panther loss put us at the 12th?

Thanks for the info Dime

Have to compare records since they are even with us. Checking on the official rule.

fresno8
01-02-2005, 04:41 PM
I'd rather look for an O-lineman in free agency. Maybe we could land someone big?
Only if we get someone great like Jones, no more weigert's and wade's that doesn't seem to be working out. I don't mind them, but they're not great.

Dime
01-02-2005, 04:46 PM
Currently (NOT OFFICIAL) , we are setting at pick 12 or 13... We are tied only with Carolina.. and strength of schedule is the same, looking for nest level. All other games wont matter.

Anishin
01-02-2005, 04:47 PM
Only if we get someone great like Jones, no more weigert's and wade's that doesn't seem to be working out. I don't mind them, but they're not great.

I realize Pitts has more of a guard's build, but I think he did a good job outside. Wasn't really thrilled when they moved him.

SmoochyTX
01-02-2005, 04:57 PM
Well, the Rams just won their game.

So does that move us up another spot in the draft?

ETA - I get confused with the way the draft works....

the wonger need food
01-02-2005, 05:01 PM
That cutesy boy has gotten his *** kicked for three yrs and had gotten back up every time, gotten better every year and has led his team to wins every year. Not sure why I even wasted my time replying to your comments. Oh well.

Like it or not, Carr has regressed the second half of this season. His decision making has been questionable at best. There's nothing wrong with looking for a franchise quarterback. Carr is nothing better than average. If he is a franchise QB please provide something to back this up other than the fact that he has been sacked a bunch and still plays the games.

AndreJ
01-02-2005, 05:04 PM
Like it or not, Carr has regressed the second half of this season. His decision making has been questionable at best. There's nothing wrong with looking for a franchise quarterback. Carr is nothing better than average. If he is a franchise QB please provide something to back this up other than the fact that he has been sacked a bunch and still plays the games.

Yeah I'll do that as soon as you provide something to back up why we should get rid of him.

Dime
01-02-2005, 05:05 PM
Currently... We are either pick 12 or 13... No other games matter. We are tied with the Panthers. Strength of Schedule is the same, I am trying to find the next level so we can find out if we are pick 12 or 13.

Anyone know the rule past Strength of schedule?

Dime
01-02-2005, 05:07 PM
Yeah I'll do that as soon as you provide something to back up why we should get rid of him.


Other then the underthrown passes, and the sidearming balls, but what about his descision making...

Texans Pride
01-02-2005, 05:10 PM
Currently (NOT OFFICIAL) , we are setting at pick 12 or 13... We are tied only with jacksonville.. and strength of schedule is the same, looking for nest level. All other games wont matter.


How are we tied with Jacksonville.....We are 7-9, and they are 8-7 right now, if they loose today then they will be 8-9, but still a better record than us.

the wonger need food
01-02-2005, 05:13 PM
Yeah I'll do that as soon as you provide something to back up why we should get rid of him.

I never said to get rid of him. He is an average QB which would make a great backup.

Dime
01-02-2005, 05:14 PM
How are we tied with Jacksonville.....We are 7-9, and they are 8-7 right now, if they loose today then they will be 8-9, but still a better record than us.


My bad... I meant Carolina....

AndreJ
01-02-2005, 05:14 PM
Other then the underthrown passes, and the sidearming balls, but what about his descision making...

I don't care who the QB is (with the exception of Vick), but if you put just about any other QB in the leauge with the pressure Carr gets, I'm pretty sure there throws and decision making wouldn't be all that great either. The man needs some pass protection. I can't stress that enough. The run blocking has been Ok. But the pass protection SUCKS. They've got to figure out someway to get him some time in the pocket.

Im not trying to say that he doesn't make mistakes, but good lord someone earlier said that we should maybe look at BJ. Why,? so he can set another sack record with the Texans.

As for sidearming balls, thats his throwig motion where the hell have you been.

SmoochyTX
01-02-2005, 05:17 PM
Currently... We are either pick 12 or 13... No other games matter. We are tied with the Panthers. Strength of Schedule is the same, I am trying to find the next level so we can find out if we are pick 12 or 13.

Thanks Dime.

AndreJ
01-02-2005, 05:20 PM
I never said to get rid of him. He is an average QB which would make a great backup.

Avg. QB? You've gotta be ****tin me. Mark Brunell, Bryan Griese, and who else..... Jay Fiedler are avg. QB's give me a break. I think you've been watching to many Indy games and thinking everyone should be just as good as peyton. Wake up and smell the coffee for crying out loud. There are plenty of teams who I'm sure would love to have Carr.

Great Backup. LoL duhh. he's a good QB :listening

Hottoddie
01-02-2005, 05:21 PM
I believe we are currently 13th, with a chance to move up to the 12th pick, if Dallas wins against the Giants tonight. We'd have the same record, but should win the 12th pick by just a couple of winning percentage points.

BWPaint
01-02-2005, 05:22 PM
O-line
D-line
TE
MLB


I think it better be: trade down: OL< QB< DL< OL OL< OL

or we are screwed for the next 5 years

Dime
01-02-2005, 05:22 PM
I don't care who the QB is (with the exception of Vick), but if you put just about any other QB in the leauge with the pressure Carr gets, I'm pretty sure there throws and decision making wouldn't be all that great either. The man needs some pass protection. I can't stress that enough. The run blocking has been Ok. But the pass protection SUCKS. They've got to figure out someway to get him some time in the pocket.

Im not trying to say that he doesn't make mistakes, but good lord someone earlier said that we should maybe look at BJ. Why,? so he can set another sack record with the Texans.

As for sidearming balls, thats his throwig motion where the hell have you been.

Where have I been... Amazing..

1. I don't care who the QB is (with the exception of Vick), but if you put just about any other QB in the leauge with the pressure Carr gets, I'm pretty sure there throws and decision making wouldn't be all that great either. Yes... he is rushed, but Carr is NOT as good as most of the starters in the league when being rushed. The O-line is mainly responsible for this, but Carr does not do well when rushed most of the time. He has had his exceptions.

2. As for sidearming balls, thats his throwig motion where the hell have you been. Actually, where have you been??? This throwing motion was not his main delivery stance last year and just started this year with POOR results. He has been questioned on it since people notice it is not helping. You are admitting this is a problem, so you think this is ok apparently. Name another good QB out there that does a sidearm delievery constantly and is good about it... I dont think you can.

ArlingtonTexan
01-02-2005, 05:23 PM
Like it or not, Carr has regressed the second half of this season. His decision making has been questionable at best. There's nothing wrong with looking for a franchise quarterback. Carr is nothing better than average. If he is a franchise QB please provide something to back this up other than the fact that he has been sacked a bunch and still plays the games.

I have been saying since about the middle of the season that he is going to be an inconsistent player. Even when he has time he does not make good decisions regularly enough. Fill in your favorite up and down QB, Collins or Plummer or whoever, and I think you can add Carr to the list.

Since Banks is a FA, I am thinking that the Texans need to sign a veteran QB to be back-up. Unless Ragone or Symmons is progressing better than I suspect, there need to be a QB capable of playing. Honestly, the guy we played today is what I am thinking about.

the wonger need food
01-02-2005, 05:26 PM
I don't care who the QB is (with the exception of Vick), but if you put just about any other QB in the leauge with the pressure Carr gets, I'm pretty sure there throws and decision making wouldn't be all that great either. The man needs some pass protection. I can't stress that enough. The run blocking has been Ok. But the pass protection SUCKS. They've got to figure out someway to get him some time in the pocket.

Im not trying to say that he doesn't make mistakes, but good lord someone earlier said that we should maybe look at BJ. Why,? so he can set another sack record with the Texans.

As for sidearming balls, thats his throwig motion where the hell have you been.

We all know that the line is horrible, but why not challenge Carr to play better? He seems too content right now and that's because he is in no danger of losing his job. You saw how he actually made an effort to get upfield after getting boo'ed today. Bring someone else in to challenge him for his job and maybe we'll see that kind of effort and fire on every play. I am sick and tired of seeing him roll to right and running out of bounds every time there is a hint of pressure.

If there is anyone on this board that thinks Carr is as good as it gets you're myopic. There are good QB's coming out of college every year. I'm not saying that Carr can't take this team to a championship, maybe he can and I hope he does. But let's not sit back and wait for it. If there is a better QB available why not try to get him on this team?

AndreJ
01-02-2005, 05:27 PM
2. As for sidearming balls, thats his throwig motion where the hell have you been. Actually, where have you been??? This throwing motion was not his main delivery stance last year and just started this year with POOR results. He has been questioned on it since people notice it is not helping. You are admitting this is a problem, so you think this is ok apparently. Name another good QB out there that does a sidearm delievery constantly and is good about it... I dont think you can.

Maybe I'm blind, but i've never seen Carr stand in the pocket and throw a sidearmed ball. The only time i've seen this is with him running out of the pocket.

Dime
01-02-2005, 05:28 PM
Since Banks is a FA, I am thinking that the Texans need to sign a veteran QB to be back-up.

I agree... I think we need a vet to come in to help Carr in his progression. I think Carr is going to be a great QB, but it seems to me a bunch of talk might have went to his head, and he needs someone to guide him into better decisions.

Dime
01-02-2005, 05:28 PM
Maybe I'm blind, but i've never seen Carr stand in the pocket and throw a sidearmed ball. The only time i've seen this is with him running out of the pocket.

Get a Tivo.

the wonger need food
01-02-2005, 05:29 PM
Avg. QB? You've gotta be ****tin me. Mark Brunell, Bryan Griese, and who else..... Jay Fiedler are avg. QB's give me a break. I think you've been watching to many Indy games and thinking everyone should be just as good as peyton. Wake up and smell the coffee for crying out loud. There are plenty of teams who I'm sure would love to have Carr.

Great Backup. LoL duhh. he's a good QB :listening

And there are a lot of QB's out there that the Texans would like to have. Like I said he is average. He's not great and he is not terrible, he's average.

AndreJ
01-02-2005, 05:30 PM
We all know that the line is horrible, but why not challenge Carr to play better? He seems too content right now and that's because he is in no danger of losing his job. You saw how he actually made an effort to get upfield after getting boo'ed today. Bring someone else in to challenge him for his job and maybe we'll see that kind of effort and fire on every play. I am sick and tired of seeing him roll to right and running out of bounds every time there is a hint of pressure.

If there is anyone on this board that thinks Carr is as good as it gets you're myopic. There are good QB's coming out of college every year. I'm not saying that Carr can't take this team to a championship, maybe he can and I hope he does. But let's not sit back and wait for it. If there is a better QB available why not try to get him on this team?

I see what you're saying now and i agree with you i don't have a problem with that. Kind of how Drew Brees did with the Chargers this year. But at the same time i dont think we should draft another QB. Banks will be a FA this offseason and if he doesn't come back maybe they'll grab an above avg. QB

Dime
01-02-2005, 05:30 PM
And there are a lot of QB's out there that the Texans would like to have. Like I said he is average. He's not great and he is not terrible, he's average.

I do believe he can be better, but he, I feel, doesnt have anyone helping him in progression.

TexanBacker93
01-02-2005, 05:44 PM
Like it or not, Carr has regressed the second half of this season. His decision making has been questionable at best. There's nothing wrong with looking for a franchise quarterback. Carr is nothing better than average. If he is a franchise QB please provide something to back this up other than the fact that he has been sacked a bunch and still plays the games.

Even if Carr isn't the long term answer there is nobody in the draft that would be a better option and there are MUCH bigger needs than a QB. If the Texans use a 1st pick on another QB they are setting themselves back 3 more years. I can't think of a QB in the league, heck in history, that could do anything without protection.

The left side of the O-Line needs to be fixed. Pitts is a solid backup, but average as a starter. Wand is, well, a project.

Texan Gal 312
01-02-2005, 06:33 PM
Where have I been... Amazing..

. Yes... he is rushed, but Carr is NOT as good as most of the starters in the league when being rushed. The O-line is mainly responsible for this, but Carr does not do well when rushed most of the time. He has had his exceptions.



The difference between the Texans and the rest of the league is 4 linemen(not blitzes) are consistently destroying us in max protect. 4 guys are beating our 7. Carr has three guys to throw to and the majority of the time they haven't even completed their routes. You might say throw slants and quick routes or throw to the tight end but this is not open because they have seven guys in coverage. Carr will be fine when our offensive line play improves.

edo783
01-02-2005, 06:37 PM
Let's see...most of our running yards come going to the left side, fewer penalties (at LT) and fewer sacks than the middle and right, but that is the side that needs to be replaced? The middle (C) and RG need work no doubt, but the left? The interesting thing about the running yards to the left is that Wade at RT is the one that was supposed to be the best at run blocking when we brought him in yet that isn't the side we tend to run to.

Texan Gal 312
01-02-2005, 07:00 PM
Let's see...most of our running yards come going to the left side, fewer penalties (at LT) and fewer sacks than the middle and right, but that is the side that needs to be replaced? The middle (C) and RG need work no doubt, but the left? The interesting thing about the running yards to the left is that Wade at RT is the one that was supposed to be the best at run blocking when we brought him in yet that isn't the side we tend to run to.

I had the same thoughts. I was surprised when everyone was complaining about the left side. After looking decent in Jacksonsville, Milford Brown was clueless today. Our starters may be ok with time, but once a backup is in the game we are toast. I thought our talent level was better than last year. Maybe we need a line coach for pass blocking. I wouldn't be surprised to see some moves with the assistant coaches in the off season.

utahmark
01-02-2005, 10:16 PM
you guys are not being very smart. first we need to draft a running back now you want a new qb. i guess we could draft a qb in the first and a rb in the second and let them challange carr and dd behind the worst oline in the league. that would be interesting. then in three years we could do it all over again. or maybe we could fix the oline problem first and see how good the guys we have are. then if they dont play well we can talk about replacing them.

Wolf
01-03-2005, 12:22 PM
The good news..... Draft pick now might be as low as 11 right now or as high as 16.

I've got better news.. this isn't 1985 and the bears aren't in our division. I can't imagine what that defense would have done to us
:hmmm: :thud:

dmt217
01-03-2005, 12:27 PM
We're at #13, according to....

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/order.html

1. San Francisco
2. Miami
3. Cleveland
4. Chicago
5. Tampa Bay
6. Tennessee
7. Oakland
8. Arizona
9. Washington
10. Detroit
11. Dallas
12. San Diego (via NYG)
13. Houston
14. Carolina
15. Kansas City
16. New Orleans
17. Cincinatti
18. Dallas (via Buffalo)
19. Jacksonville
20. Baltimore

SheTexan
01-03-2005, 12:31 PM
Just be patient. It will all come out soon.

Dime
01-03-2005, 12:54 PM
We're at #13, according to....

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/order.html

1. San Francisco
2. Miami
3. Cleveland
4. Chicago
5. Tampa Bay
6. Tennessee
7. Oakland
8. Arizona
9. Washington
10. Detroit
11. Dallas
12. San Diego (via NYG)
13. Houston
14. Carolina
15. Kansas City
16. New Orleans
17. Cincinatti
18. Dallas (via Buffalo)
19. Jacksonville
20. Baltimore

Doh.... Dallas gets two decent picks this upcoming year... ackkkk

shinerbock_girl
01-03-2005, 02:13 PM
Like it or not, Carr has regressed the second half of this season. His decision making has been questionable at best. There's nothing wrong with looking for a franchise quarterback. Carr is nothing better than average. If he is a franchise QB please provide something to back this up other than the fact that he has been sacked a bunch and still plays the games.


Well its kind of hard to progress when your running for your life....Which is almost about every game they played...Of course, it couldn't be the O-LINE's fault, it must be Carr....

WWJD
01-03-2005, 02:20 PM
I think Carr is subject to criticism sometimes but to me he is hurried too much by the pass rush of the opponent. He IS a good runner and gets tough yards running and that's good but he's just one tackle away from a knee injury doing that too much. Of course that could happen to him standing in the pocket but I'd like to see him stay in the pocket more. That would mean they have to improve their O line play. I don't know if the guys are missing blocks, not holding their blocks or just playing superior D linemen but there is work to be done there.

Banks has already said he wants to move on and see if he can get a starting job somewhere else so they'll either have to get a backup or move Ragone up.

I still would like to know why they went to the zone blocking scheme. It seems to me last year they did better than this year.

Texan Gal 312
01-03-2005, 02:33 PM
I still would like to know why they went to the zone blocking scheme. It seems to me last year they did better than this year.

Zone Blocking scheme is for the running game which they show signs of getting better at. I don't believe it has anything to do with pass blocking scheme, although it is suppose to set up roll out passes off the play action fake.

edo783
01-03-2005, 02:37 PM
I've got better news.. this isn't 1985 and the bears aren't in our division. I can't imagine what that defense would have done to us
:hmmm: :thud:

Just imagine what an o-line would have done! One like KC or GB and we would have had 10-11 wins even with the defense we have.