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BigDTexansFan
01-02-2005, 03:00 PM
We stunk up Reliant Stadium...if our loss was an egg it would dwarf the earth. :hairpull:

Wolf
01-02-2005, 03:08 PM
In a few months from now, everyone will simmer down and talk about how he/she figured 7-8 wins for the Texans in this season. Overall they hit right about where I thought.. For me, the only thing that was frustrating is the inconsistancy (m/s?) of the team. I guess I got spoiled with the first 2 seasons where we saw close games instead of what we saw this season.. All I can hope for is this team continues to learn from its mistakes.

rhc564
01-02-2005, 03:16 PM
...sorry, I did not know they had started :hmmm:

edo783
01-02-2005, 03:32 PM
They hit the low end of what everyone pretty much expected (somewhere between 7-9 and 9-7 wins). The silver lining may be that they will come back with a chip on thier collective shoulders because of the last game.

BWPaint
01-02-2005, 04:28 PM
The silver lining may be that they will come back with a chip on thier collective shoulders because of the last game.

Let's hope there is not a single shoulder of the existing Oline....or it is OLIVERVILLE all over again..

that was embarassing!!!

TexanBacker93
01-02-2005, 04:31 PM
They hit the low end of what everyone pretty much expected (somewhere between 7-9 and 9-7 wins). The silver lining may be that they will come back with a chip on thier collective shoulders because of the last game.

They don't deserve to have a chip on their shoulder. This game was about a lack of heart and dedication.

Harry Biped
01-02-2005, 06:10 PM
The stadium was filled with folks who are tired of seeing things go down like that every game. That's why everyone was booing. So were the radio waves after the game. The Texans are on pace to become nothing more than a mediocre team. Big changes are in order THIS offseason. If they don't happen, don't expect any better results from the Texans next season. They have no leadership on the team. Until that changes they won't be any better a team. One win better last season and two better this season reflects the increase in talent and depth on the team, nothing more. They only beat one team with a winning record and no playoff teams. No real improvement there.

bckey
01-02-2005, 08:20 PM
Capers. Enough said. The team has showed some improvement but Capers is never going to take this team to the superbowl because he is out of his element as a head coach. He is a good DC and thats it. I wish we could slide him over to dc and hire a different hc.

Grid
01-02-2005, 11:57 PM
what makes you think they will come back with a chip on their shoulder? how many times now have we lost the games we were supposed to win?.. over the years we have lost to the browns twice.. the chargers the bengals the lions.. im sure if i busted out the schedule for the last three seasons i could name some more.

How many times have I heard someone say "well now at least they have learned their lesson and will take every opponent seriously"

they havent learned their lesson.. there IS no chip on their shoulder... I dont know WHAT it would take to drive home the fact that they have to take every opponent seriously. Maybe the booing fans helped clue them in.

Whatever.. ya know alot of the blame may need to fall on the coaches. sometimes when a team loses to the easy teams and wins against the tough teams.. that shows that there is a lack of discipline. The coach will prepare the **** out of them for those tough games, then they will just breeze through practice for the easy games. the result is a flat team that loses to the freaking browns.

Cincinnatikid
01-03-2005, 12:15 AM
what makes you think they will come back with a chip on their shoulder? how many times now have we lost the games we were supposed to win?.. over the years we have lost to the browns twice.. the chargers the bengals the lions.. im sure if i busted out the schedule for the last three seasons i could name some more.

How many times have I heard someone say "well now at least they have learned their lesson and will take every opponent seriously"

they havent learned their lesson.. there IS no chip on their shoulder... I dont know WHAT it would take to drive home the fact that they have to take every opponent seriously. Maybe the booing fans helped clue them in.

Whatever.. ya know alot of the blame may need to fall on the coaches. sometimes when a team loses to the easy teams and wins against the tough teams.. that shows that there is a lack of discipline. The coach will prepare the **** out of them for those tough games, then they will just breeze through practice for the easy games. the result is a flat team that loses to the freaking browns.


I really dont think they prepare to lose for lesser teams. I believe the schedule is the same for every game, every week. And your teams you picked for losing were not such wise choses, the bengals have been 8-8 the last two seasons and next year will improve a lot, and the chargers won their division this season. The only way this team would show they were serious is if they didnt play starters, and that only happens in the last regular season games for teams already with home field advantage in the playoffs. They will be better next season if a few changes are made, more work on the oline play, getting our LBs to be Babin, wong, sharper, and peek, getting the passing game to be more consistent and beat the cover 2, getting some run stop from the dline.

Q Dawg
01-03-2005, 12:59 AM
Their lack of preparation by the coaching staff for today's game was all too evident. Did anyone see what Carr was doing before the official warm-up on the field? He was standing around the 25 or 30 yd line of the North side of the field in a throwing contest with what looked like Davis, Johnson, and possibly Gaffney to see who could throw it over the "crossbar." Why in the world weren't they working on game related plays and timing?? Clearly a lack of direction from the coaching staff. Since this was supposed to be "Fan Appreciation Day", why didn't they at least try to show up to actually win?! We're talking about playing a team with one of the worst records in the NFL, and who had not won a game on the road! Anyone would realize that they would come out "swinging." They had nothing to lose.
I, myself, have never missed a home game but if there aren't some much needed changes in the area of coaching in the off-season, I just might consider selling my season tickets. Without a change in the coaching staff, we'll just have more of the same inconsistency, poor game planning, unimaginative play calling, and predictable formations. Heck, if I can tell what type of play is called from my seat in the stadium, just think how easy it is for the defenses we face!

Q Dawg :soapbox:

Wolf
01-03-2005, 01:03 AM
I personally think some fans go overboard. there are no "gimmies" in the NFL, but in a fans eyes somehow there are. In my eyes we have won games that we shouldn't have and lost games that we shouldn't. It is all in the eye of the beholder.

texman8
01-03-2005, 03:10 AM
Yes, it was a stinker of a game.Even, Chad Stanley had a poor game. Unlike the naysayers..I'm not looking to cut Capers loose; he is on the clock,though. should be an interesting offseason. The OL needs to be upgraded via FA; otherwise, it will severely limit our production (wins),

DreamCatcher
01-03-2005, 04:41 AM
Changes to the O are needed especially pass protection.Another season like this next year and changes at coaching level will need to be addressed.

rittenhouserobz
01-03-2005, 05:16 AM
I personally think some fans go overboard. there are no "gimmies" in the NFL, but in a fans eyes somehow there are. In my eyes we have won games that we shouldn't have and lost games that we shouldn't. It is all in the eye of the beholder.

"Some fans" are simply following the media hype. They read a sports reporters take and think the Texans have the win before the game starts. Like the Cincy game in 2002. The Texans should be one of the last teams to take opponents lightly especially after Walker's comments last week.

Chawky1
01-03-2005, 07:17 AM
Overall I think you guys had a good year, considering that you are still not all that far removed from expansion status. A season ending loss is always hard to swallow, especially with no playoffs, but the season as a whole went pretty well for you I thought. And the bright side to all of this is....you are a few pieces away from being a legit playoff contender, and a few more pieces and experience away from being a deeper playoff threat.

Your O-line is just.....abysmal, fix the O-line and right there you upgrade Carr, the Wr's, and DD. Furthermore, a good O-line means you don't need to keep the TE(s) in to help save your qb from being killed, and thats another receiver in pattern and another target for Carr. If I was a Texans fan, and they didn't fix that O-line for next year, I'd be mailing back my season tickets. One piece of the puzzle that affects so many other areas. In fact, I'd go heavy on O-line help and then second work on the D-line. Your skill position players on both sides of the ball are solid and have a lot of upward potential. Fix the lines and you are probably looking at playoffs next year, especially with the continued maturation of the offense.

aj.
01-03-2005, 07:25 AM
Carr's comments on the radio about two minutes ago implied scheme being the problem - not personnel.

Grid
01-03-2005, 07:35 AM
well Andre Johnson said he was open most of the night.. is that Scheme or Carr? id put money on it being Carr.

aj.
01-03-2005, 07:40 AM
I'm sure he was open - as Carr was running for his life or trying to dodge the bad guys.

Grid
01-03-2005, 07:43 AM
yah he was definatly getting way to much pressure. still.. after throwing it away/running out of bounds for the third or fourth time.. I would think they would say "hey, look at how Johnson is open 90% of the time, why dont we try and get him the ball quick before the rushers have a chance to smear carr all over this crappy turf"

Chawky1
01-03-2005, 07:45 AM
Hard to throw when you are trying not to get killed as soon as the ball is snapped. Whats even more sad is when you don't have time to run a 3 step drop. In my imaginary NFL world :banana: , where there are no cap penalties :banana: I'd lose your entire offensive line ...they are just plain offensive, ick.

Grid
01-03-2005, 07:49 AM
well thats my point.. we are no stranger to having a nonexistant pocket for Carr.. and yet we just kept "chopping wood" as Del Rio would say.. and as the scoreboard showed, we missed the stump and hit our leg plenty of times.

We HAVE plays in the playbook that gets the ball out of Carrs hand QUICK.. but we didnt use them.. we just kept dropping back and hoping that on THIS play, the line would hold long enough for us to throw it deep.

Hey, I know we need the big play, but the #1 rule I keep hearing from good coaches is "take what they give you" .. if your QB has been sacked 4 times and ran out of bounds more than that.. you dont "keep chopping wood" you take advantage of their stacking the box and do some dump offs.. back em up a little and slowly work your way back into a position to throw long.

I mean geez.. the browns secondary sucks.. if we would have done SOMETHING to take the pressure off Carr.. he could have made some big plays.. instead we just kept wishing on stars and hoping the next play would go better.

aj.
01-03-2005, 07:52 AM
His comments were vague. He implied the OL was being asked to do things above and beyond in terms of blocking - not sure what he meant by that -- then he said he's confident that we have the right personnel to be a playoff team. Who knows what all this means but there is obviously something broken internally that needs to be fixed. I don't think it's all on the QB nor do I think it's all on the OL.

Until the Texans figure out a way to make teams pay - I mean really pay - for sitting back in comfy zones, I'm afraid the results will continue to be the same.

edo783
01-03-2005, 08:14 AM
It's begining to sound like the players are giving a "No Confidence" vote to some or most of the coaching staff and/or game plan. The team management had better get a grasp on this fast or they will lose the team and it will take years to get it back.

Grid
01-03-2005, 08:19 AM
well down in Tampa Bay.. they are having similar production. winning the games they should lose and losing the games they should win.

Just recently one of their star LBs (whos name slips my mind) said that Gruden lacks discipline. After years under their last head coach (whos name also slips my mind.. hes with the jets now) who was a strict discipline guy without much personality.. they had gruden come in who was fun and emotional.. the result was a championship. A disciplined team with an emotional fiery head coach. unfortunatly, now the disicpline set in motion by the original head coach is wearing off.. and Gruden's lack of discipline is losing games. Basicly.. they practice hard for the tough games, but when an "easy" game comes along, Gruden gives em a break, does lighter practices. The result is a flat team on game day.

SO.. my point is, this sounds like us. We come out fired up for the tough games, but then lose to the browns. Maybe we need more of a disciplinarian?

OzzO
01-03-2005, 08:36 AM
Well, I'm not on the "firing coaches" bandwagon, because I fear that would turn into the Browns current system. Also, I wonder for those that do want to remove the coaches - who would be their replacement. I'm hearing get rid of them, but not hearing who to replace them with.

Grid, are you talking about Dungy that was the coach? He went to the Colts.

AJ - I didn't hear Carr (though I wanted to) but if he feels the line is being asked to do above and beyond blocking.. maybe they're not the correct players for the scheme, however it has been only one year with the new system. I don't see him yelling at his coaches after he gets smacked into the turf.

Grid
01-03-2005, 09:31 AM
ahhh yah i think it was dungy.. Dungy and the Jets guy.. I always get them mixed up.

Chawky1
01-03-2005, 09:36 AM
You mean Herman Edwards from the Jets?? Awesome defensive coach and played in the league in the 70's as a DB I think...or maybe the early 80's. Was a while ago though.

Grid
01-03-2005, 09:44 AM
thats him. They both kinda look alike if ya squint your eyes ;)

edo783
01-03-2005, 11:42 AM
well down in Tampa Bay.. they are having similar production. winning the games they should lose and losing the games they should win.

Just recently one of their star LBs (whos name slips my mind) said that Gruden lacks discipline. After years under their last head coach (whos name also slips my mind.. hes with the jets now) who was a strict discipline guy without much personality.. they had gruden come in who was fun and emotional.. the result was a championship. A disciplined team with an emotional fiery head coach. unfortunatly, now the disicpline set in motion by the original head coach is wearing off.. and Gruden's lack of discipline is losing games. Basicly.. they practice hard for the tough games, but when an "easy" game comes along, Gruden gives em a break, does lighter practices. The result is a flat team on game day.

SO.. my point is, this sounds like us. We come out fired up for the tough games, but then lose to the browns. Maybe we need more of a disciplinarian?

I thought Dom was a detail oriented disiplinarian, but none emotional? As a defensive type guy I would expect him to be a bit of a hard *ss.

shinerbock_girl
01-03-2005, 12:03 PM
Carr's comments on the radio about two minutes ago implied scheme being the problem - not personnel.

I believe what someone else said on here, Capers is a great DC but i don't think hes a strong enough head coach to ever take this team to the superbowl...This team needs direction from a STRONG COACH like Parcells...That was just an example, not necessarialy meaning i want parcells, it was a comparasion...He knows how to get mad and provides leadership.....Watching Dallas last nite even though they lost, i was impressed at the surprise plays they did...It caught the opponent off guard many times...The Texans seem like they play HUM DRUM football...Don't get me wrong, i love this team otherwise i wouldn't be a Texans fan, but this is my opinion and i'm entitled to it....They make the same plays every week after week, no surprises, just play the same...Its just not hard for other teams to watch them and know more or less what to expect from their plays...Sometimes they work and win, and other times then they lose playing the same way...They obviously need to change somewheres...They need some kind of leadership from a STRONG SKILLED COACH...