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Marcus
11-04-2008, 03:17 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6093035.html

Please read, and tell me . . . is this nothing more than a rehash of what you've already read on a football message board, or already listened to on the radio?

Woudn't you expect a little more insight out of a sports columnist of a major newspaper?

And this quote:

“It’s on the players,” Pitts said.

Really?

“Yes,” he said. “Coaches don’t play. We play. Turnovers fall in the shoulders of the guys that are out there playing. You can’t put that on the coaches.”

Why is that to be dismissed?

Richard Justice is just telling people what they already know . . . for the day.

And that's exactly what is wrong with him.

Showtime100
11-04-2008, 03:20 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6093035.html

Please read, and tell me . . . is this nothing more than a rehash of what you've already read on a football message board, or already listened to on the radio?

Woudn't you expect a little more insight out of a sports columnist of a major newspaper?

And this quote:



Why is that to be dismissed?

Richard Justice is just telling people what they already know . . . for the day.

And that's exactly what is wrong with him.

I think he left his heart in Lubbock. :splits:

Blake
11-04-2008, 03:21 PM
So what Pitts is saying is that since the coaches dont play its on the players. Sooo it can never be on the coaches because they dont play?

Pitts is just giving the generic response when blame might be put on the coaches.

Marcus
11-04-2008, 03:25 PM
So what Pitts is saying is that since the coaches dont play its on the players. Sooo it can never be on the coaches because they dont play?

Pitts is just giving the generic response when blame might be put on the coaches.

Sooo, when should it ever be on the players?

Carr Bombed
11-04-2008, 03:31 PM
It's still on the coaches to put their players in the best possible position to have success.

I didn't like the play calling on that 3rd and 1. You have a QB that's trying to bounce back from one of the (possibly) biggest individual collapses in NFL histroy (come to think of it, that probably was the biggest individual collapse) and instead of running for a 1st down you call a play where he's got to throw the ball into the endzone and it ends up being picked off.

IlliniJen
11-04-2008, 03:46 PM
Richard Justice: Diligently reporting on your internal dialog from two days ago.

rollinstone18
11-04-2008, 03:46 PM
It's still on the coaches to put their players in the best possible position to have success.

I didn't like the play calling on that 3rd and 1. You have a QB that's trying to bounce back from one of the (possibly) biggest individual collapses in NFL histroy (come to think of it, that probably was the biggest individual collapse) and instead of running for a 1st down you call a play where he's got to throw the ball into the endzone and it ends up being picked off.

Sage didn't have to make a throw into double coverage. Slaton isn't a great in-between the tackles runner. The Vikes have a great line. Passing on 3rd & 1 means we're going for it on 4th & 1, assuming we don't score or pick up the first down. Sage was torching their secondary the entire drive. He just made a bad decision.

Marcus
11-04-2008, 03:47 PM
So, back on topic.

Do you think Justice said anything other than what you already read or heard?

Texans_Chick
11-04-2008, 03:54 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6093035.html

Please read, and tell me . . . is this nothing more than a rehash of what you've already read on a football message board, or already listened to on the radio?

Woudn't you expect a little more insight out of a sports columnist of a major newspaper?

And this quote:



Why is that to be dismissed?

Richard Justice is just telling people what they already know . . . for the day.

And that's exactly what is wrong with him.


The Patented Richard Justice Column-O-Matic:

1. Is it a win or loss? If win, write something AWESOME! If lose, write something VERY SAD! Use lots of hyperbole!!!!! DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT, provide anything to readers that they don't already know. DO speculate wildly and pull things out of your rear end because as everyone knows because he says so, RJ poops flowers.

2. Get quote sheet. Use random quotes so that it doesn't look like it is a total BS piece because you did real journalism by using quotes from players.

3. Write the HAPPY or VERY SAD thing. Be sure to leave LOTS of wiggle room in case things go the other way.

4. Do not include many pesky stats. If pesky stats are included, they are what the Texans PR flacks send you.

5. (Optional step if really steamed). Use the phrase "our little team." (It's a writing crutch he uses to be dismissive when talking about the Texans and Rockets, never the Astros. Really, if you do a Chron.com archive search, you can find him using that phrase a lot. Which is pretty funny given that the smallest Texan player from the little team could smoosh him like a bug if they cared to).

6. Most importantly, and the point of the entire writing exercise....Mail it in.

Really, I have a hard time reading anything he writes about the team. When it isn't wrong, it is completely wishywashy and useless.

He would like the team more if they gossiped with him. Oh, and if they had drafted Vince Young or perhaps Reggie Bush.

Silver Oak
11-04-2008, 03:57 PM
just don't go to the Chron for your news. it's pretty easy to take the bookmark off your favorites list.

if they don't get the readers, they'll get rid of the crap writers, period.

Spike
11-04-2008, 04:02 PM
So, back on topic.

Do you think Justice said anything other than what you already read or heard?

No, but I won't discount the article as drivel. I don't want to defend Justice and don't always love everything he writes, but it is unlikely that any sports editorial is going to have a topic that hasn't been discussed (and likely rehashed) on these message boards before it goes to print for the casual fan.

At this point in the season and in his career as the Texans head coach, we will likely see more and more of the same type of articles regarding the same topic. Until Kubaik can prove that he can actually fix these recurring issues, these observations and questions regarding his ability as a head coach will be repeated over and over again.

Now...if Kubes can turn it around and Justice writes the article about how he always knew he would...then I will agree with you.

Porky
11-04-2008, 04:34 PM
It's still on the coaches to put their players in the best possible position to have success.

I didn't like the play calling on that 3rd and 1. You have a QB that's trying to bounce back from one of the (possibly) biggest individual collapses in NFL histroy (come to think of it, that probably was the biggest individual collapse) and instead of running for a 1st down you call a play where he's got to throw the ball into the endzone and it ends up being picked off.

Actually the coaches did not call that play, Sage did. Apparently, time was running out and he couldn't hear or something and just choose that play on his own. Another example of his poor QB skills. Stupid play call, worse execution.

IlliniJen
11-04-2008, 04:40 PM
Actually the coaches did not call that play, Sage did. Apparently, time was running out and he couldn't hear or something and just choose that play on his own. Another example of his poor QB skills. Stupid play call, worse execution.

Wouldn't there be a couple standard plays that would be run here given the situation and the time frame? Maybe I'm over-simplifying it because I have NO idea how coaches call in plays and prepare their teams, but I would think you'd go to a 2-minute drill late in the game and you wouldn't need to spend time calling in plays, that the QBs should know what to do based on situation, time left, what the defense is presenting, down/yardage, etc. Why are the coaches calling in plays? Am I just football stupid?

Marcus
11-04-2008, 04:40 PM
No, but I won't discount the article as drivel. I don't want to defend Justice and don't always love everything he writes, but it is unlikely that any sports editorial is going to have a topic that hasn't been discussed (and likely rehashed) on these message boards before it goes to print for the casual fan.

At this point in the season and in his career as the Texans head coach, we will likely see more and more of the same type of articles regarding the same topic. Until Kubaik can prove that he can actually fix these recurring issues, these observations and questions regarding his ability as a head coach will be repeated over and over again.

Now...if Kubes can turn it around and Justice writes the article about how he always knew he would...then I will agree with you.

Hmmm . . I wish I could go back and and dig up his columns 3 years ago when the Texans selected Mario Williams, and compare them to the columns he writes now about he always knew they made the right choice.

There ought to be a law.

eriadoc
11-04-2008, 07:52 PM
It's still on the coaches to put their players in the best possible position to have success.

I didn't like the play calling on that 3rd and 1. You have a QB that's trying to bounce back from one of the (possibly) biggest individual collapses in NFL histroy (come to think of it, that probably was the biggest individual collapse) and instead of running for a 1st down you call a play where he's got to throw the ball into the endzone and it ends up being picked off.

Actually the coaches did not call that play, Sage did. Apparently, time was running out and he couldn't hear or something and just choose that play on his own. Another example of his poor QB skills. Stupid play call, worse execution.

He should have called a naked bootleg left.

:stirpot:

eriadoc
11-04-2008, 07:53 PM
Wouldn't there be a couple standard plays that would be run here given the situation and the time frame? Maybe I'm over-simplifying it because I have NO idea how coaches call in plays and prepare their teams, but I would think you'd go to a 2-minute drill late in the game and you wouldn't need to spend time calling in plays, that the QBs should know what to do based on situation, time left, what the defense is presenting, down/yardage, etc. Why are the coaches calling in plays? Am I just football stupid?

In our system, the QB goes to the line with a few plays that he can select from based on what he sees. Sage just chose unwisely.

The1ApplePie
11-04-2008, 09:09 PM
The only true point I can see is that good coaches and systems can make crap players look great.

Look at the Pattriots defense. Pretty much anyone can get stuck in the secondary and look great.

nunusguy
11-04-2008, 09:25 PM
Kubiak is still having trouble with clock management. If he can’t get the play in on time, he should hire someone who can. This isn’t an issue of talent or focus. It’s the head coach being indecisive.

On Sunday, three of the four offensive linemen were flagged for false starts. Another concentration issue. The Texans’ third and fourth possessions ended with turnovers. So did the second possession of the second half.
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Justice is right on with those remarks. The players are playing like their
HC all too often coachs, without focus or decisiveness.
This was a season that he teed-up as a real playoff opportunity for the Texans, and he sliced it badly. Actually he caught the 2 best teams in the division with down years and his team has had the benefit of hardly no key injuries in the first half of the year, yet he ends up 3-5 record to all but eliminate any real shot at postseason action for the Texans in '08.

IlliniJen
11-05-2008, 12:01 AM
In our system, the QB goes to the line with a few plays that he can select from based on what he sees. Sage just chose unwisely.

The problem is that these guys don't get to the line with any urgency when facing a time crunch. They let too much time run off the clock as they meander up there. Peyton would chew someone's ass out over that.

I'm starting to turn into one of those "Kubiak is not the answer" people the more I see the same problems cropping up and a consistent lack of piss and vinegar from this team. The cheapshotting Schaub thread is proof positive that this team lacks the fire to hit someone in the mouth.

utahmark
11-05-2008, 12:38 AM
Kubiak is still having trouble with clock management. If he can’t get the play in on time, he should hire someone who can. This isn’t an issue of talent or focus. It’s the head coach being indecisive.

On Sunday, three of the four offensive linemen were flagged for false starts. Another concentration issue. The Texans’ third and fourth possessions ended with turnovers. So did the second possession of the second half.
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Justice is right on with those remarks. The players are playing like their
HC all too often coachs, without focus or decisiveness.
This was a season that he teed-up as a real playoff opportunity for the Texans, and he sliced it badly. Actually he caught the 2 best teams in the division with down years and his team has had the benefit of hardly no key injuries in the first half of the year, yet he ends up 3-5 record to all but eliminate any real shot at postseason action for the Texans in '08.

last i heard we are one of the least penalized teams in the league. not sure how he can do better with that. im not real sure what he can do to help the turnover situation either. the only place im seeing turnovers is from the qb position and every qb we have turns the ball over. we just picked up some new guy maybe he should start him?

this evaluating every position after every game is just stupid. mcclain gave kube's an F on his report card. what did he do to get an F for that game. i didnt see any horrible mistakes, no stupid decisions. so if somehow we made a play on that last drive and got into the endzone and won in ot mcclain would of gave him and A or B. its just useless. there are so many variables in any game and luck plays a good 50% of any game with two evenly matched teams you have to look at the season as a whole. right now we are 3 and 5 we havent won some games we could have but most people would agree that our team looks better than they did last year. how bout a c- so far. that seems fair.

IlliniJen
11-05-2008, 12:51 AM
last i heard we are one of the least penalized teams in the league. not sure how he can do better with that. im not real sure what he can do to help the turnover situation either. the only place im seeing turnovers is from the qb position and every qb we have turns the ball over. we just picked up some new guy maybe he should start him?

The coaches should old school it and make the QBs carry a football around with them where ever they go and protect it from swipes from their team mates, especially Schaub. With Rosencopter, he needs to learn how to throw the ball away. Neither seems to sense pressure exceptionally well.

Man, I'm a Schaub supporter and other than his turnovers, I really don't see other weaknesses that don't make him a starting QB. I thought maybe he had turned a corner with turnovers, and maybe his injury contributed significantly to his problems vs. the Vikes, but I'm starting to doubt we have the answer at QB. And that depresses me because unless we find a gem like Matt Ryan in the draft, the franchise is back to square one. And no, I would not be happy with a journeyman like Kerry Collins.

Harumph.

utahmark
11-05-2008, 12:58 AM
The problem is that these guys don't get to the line with any urgency when facing a time crunch. They let too much time run off the clock as they meander up there. Peyton would chew someone's ass out over that.

I'm starting to turn into one of those "Kubiak is not the answer" people the more I see the same problems cropping up and a consistent lack of piss and vinegar from this team. The cheapshotting Schaub thread is proof positive that this team lacks the fire to hit someone in the mouth.

that must be a pretty powerful thread.:)

Tedc
11-05-2008, 06:08 AM
The problem is that our coach is a NEW head coach. He has been a playerm and a good coach but he tends to step back into that role. He seems like he can't make a descision when the game is on the line....."do I throw the flag or not? Watch it ref, I have a flag that I could throw, but it is such a pretty flag and I am saving on wall paper."


It is almost like he is waiting for someone else to make a decision. He would work pretty well in a Jerra Jones owned team.


I do, however, think that Kubiak will one day be one of the finest coaches when he finally grows some.

GP
11-05-2008, 11:00 AM
Kubiak is still having trouble with clock management. If he can’t get the play in on time, he should hire someone who can. This isn’t an issue of talent or focus. It’s the head coach being indecisive.

On Sunday, three of the four offensive linemen were flagged for false starts. Another concentration issue. The Texans’ third and fourth possessions ended with turnovers. So did the second possession of the second half.
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Justice is right on with those remarks. The players are playing like their
HC all too often coachs, without focus or decisiveness.
This was a season that he teed-up as a real playoff opportunity for the Texans, and he sliced it badly. Actually he caught the 2 best teams in the division with down years and his team has had the benefit of hardly no key injuries in the first half of the year, yet he ends up 3-5 record to all but eliminate any real shot at postseason action for the Texans in '08.

Exactly how I feel. I just don't get a good feeling about Kubiak's chances of elevating the team past .500...let alone how he could do in a playoff game.

El Tejano
11-05-2008, 02:39 PM
I am one who stated I would put this loss on the coaches for not having our team ready to play a game that would help them to get to .500 and not thinking they were off the hook for winning 3 in a row.

However, Richard Justice trying to say that Kubiak doesn't ever have this team mentally prepared with evidence of the false start penalties is terrible. Justice never once mentions the stat that came up in the game Sunday - We are the least penalized team in the league. Coaches have to get credit for that right?

Texans_Chick
11-05-2008, 03:20 PM
I am one who stated I would put this loss on the coaches for not having our team ready to play a game that would help them to get to .500 and not thinking they were off the hook for winning 3 in a row.

However, Richard Justice trying to say that Kubiak doesn't ever have this team mentally prepared with evidence of the false start penalties is terrible. Justice never once mentions the stat that came up in the game Sunday - We are the least penalized team in the league. Coaches have to get credit for that right?

Hard to have the highest 3rd down completion percentage in the league if you aren't disciplined or coached well.

Of course, that is semi-offset by the high 3rd down completions they allow on defense.

da Bull
11-05-2008, 03:25 PM
Regarding Kubiak: N.D. Kalu on his way out the door gave Kubiak a endorsement not just once, but twice in the Chronicle Article - http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6096644.html+

“I’m not going to leave this game bitter,” Kalu said. “I’m still a Kubiak fan and a Houston Texans fan. I’ll be in the stands watching them.”

“I think they’re headed in the right direction,” he said. “They have a good nucleus of talent on the team and a guy like Kubiak leading them, so I definitely think they’re headed in the right direction.”

Maybe he was being politically correct and not burning any bridges, but, he's got a better perspective than Dickie Justice.

Tedc
11-05-2008, 03:38 PM
but, he's got a better perspective than Dickie Justice.

In my best John Granato voice.... Who Doesn't?!!!!

Texans_Chick
11-05-2008, 03:47 PM
Regarding Kubiak: N.D. Kalu on his way out the door gave Kubiak a endorsement not just once, but twice in the Chronicle Article - http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6096644.html+

“I’m not going to leave this game bitter,” Kalu said. “I’m still a Kubiak fan and a Houston Texans fan. I’ll be in the stands watching them.”

“I think they’re headed in the right direction,” he said. “They have a good nucleus of talent on the team and a guy like Kubiak leading them, so I definitely think they’re headed in the right direction.”

Maybe he was being politically correct and not burning any bridges, but, he's got a better perspective than Dickie Justice.

I think he is totally speaking the truth.

I've talked to players from the beginning. If they love a coach, they can't help but tell you. If they don't love a coach, they will not say much about him at all. It's like pulling teeth to get them to talk about coaches that they don't love. You know, like if you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all.

The most positive things I've heard about coaches, like over the top positive have been about Gary Kubiak and Joe Marciano. The players can't say enough good things about them. And I understand that.

He comes across as a very real person, not a put on. Justice is mad at him because he doesn't throw public fits, but that is not who he is. He can be a yeller but he isn't going to air out dirty laundry. And his players don't air out that stuff either.

His players very much believe in Kubiak.

sbalderrama
11-05-2008, 03:56 PM
1. Is it a win or loss? If win, write something AWESOME! If lose, write something VERY SAD!

Its the same with McClain and his game grades. Texans win, everyone gets overgraded. Texans lose, everyone flunks. McClain should be forced to wait a day and rewatch the game before he grades the team.

The1ApplePie
11-05-2008, 10:27 PM
Just wanted to add that I don't know Richard Justice but I have had to work with Chorn reporters and photogs before. Don't want to generalize but the arrogant douchebag apple dosen't fall far from the tree.

The people from TMZ were classy and nice by comparrison

TexanBacker93
11-06-2008, 08:14 AM
I am one who stated I would put this loss on the coaches for not having our team ready to play a game that would help them to get to .500 and not thinking they were off the hook for winning 3 in a row.

However, Richard Justice trying to say that Kubiak doesn't ever have this team mentally prepared with evidence of the false start penalties is terrible. Justice never once mentions the stat that came up in the game Sunday - We are the least penalized team in the league. Coaches have to get credit for that right?

False starts can't be put on the coaches. At least I don't think so. At least a couple of those were near the endzone and in a dome it gets loud down there. I know both of our endzones have forced some throughout the years. If you look at the overall picture with penalties things look great. The coaches have gotten Jacoby focused more on protecting the ball. Owen Daniels had some issues and that seems to be a thing of the past. Right now it's the turnovers by Schaub and Rosencopter that are killing this team. A 5-3 record would be where they could be if not for that. I have the faith that they will get this problem corrected.

Texans_Chick
11-08-2008, 08:49 AM
Please read, and tell me . . . is this nothing more than a rehash of what you've already read on a football message board, or already listened to on the radio?

Woudn't you expect a little more insight out of a sports columnist of a major newspaper?

And this quote:



Why is that to be dismissed?

Richard Justice is just telling people what they already know . . . for the day.

And that's exactly what is wrong with him.



Exhibit B:

Richard Justice: Maybe Texans are on the right track after all (http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2008/11/maybe_the_texan.html)

He discusses all these positive things from the offense.

He says:

They may fire DC Richard Smith after the season and tell you everything is fixed. Maybe he is part of the problem, but anyone that thinks he's the biggest problem is kidding themselves.

The Texans have lousy defensive tackles. Ditto some of their LBs. Their big free-agent signing last summer, CB Jacques Reeves, has been terrible.

Then check out this comment exchange:

hey Richard,

Interesting article you've got here.

But it is contrary to what you wrote in July 2008:

"For the first time, the Texans enter a season without a glaring weakness. There are questions about how good they are in the defensive line, about how much Robinson will play and how much football Green has left."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/texans/5897344.html

So which is it? You didn't know what you were talking about then? Or, you don't know what you're talking about now?

Football fans want to know!


[There's a good chance I didn't know what I was talking about either time. Ha ha ha ha. Gulp. Wheeze. Cough. I think they do have a glaring weakness at DT. Maybe. How's that for being definitive? I thought Amobi Okoye and Travis Johnson would play better. Even that position has been better since they've rotated them. I also think a run-stopping DT would help Okoye out. He may not be the problem. That could be the only position where there's a glaring weakness. The LBs and safeties haven't played well at times, but I wouldn't call the problems glaring.--Richard]

Is this what passes for football analysis in Houston Freaking Texas? Fourth largest city in America, and we deserve that? He might as well not write on football. I think RJ is a really hard working guy, but he is out of his element.

The safety position has been a glaring weakness from the beginning of the franchise--it is like the Matt Stevens curse. The linebackers are DeMeco and those other guys, and now are hurt DeMeco and a total experiment.

The only player the Texans have on offense who would be certain to be good no matter what offense he was playing in and who was coaching him is Andre Johnson. And even AJ is on pace for a 120 catch season. (which by the way, was what Kubiak wanted him to have when they first talked when Kubiak was first hired).

The offense has a plan. They can't always effectuate their plan, but you can see progress and direction and you can guess the sorts of players they want.

Their OC, Assistant Head Coach-linemen guy, wide receiver coach, TE coach all have ties to the Kubiak way of doing things.

The defense is all over the place. You never have any sense of who they want to draft or how they think they will get better. Since Smith has been coaching, some years they blitz a lot, some they blitz a little. If opponents describe the defense, the adjective they use the most is "vanilla." Dunta Robinson says that Eugene Wilson comes from one of those defenses that disguises coverages. How novel.

Good coaches give direction, get players that suit that direction and put them in situations to succeed.

It's pretty obvious that when offenses see certain coverages that the Texans are in, they are looking to throw downfield. Where is Jacques Reeves with no safety help? THROW!!!!

Aaron Glenn, I think is the only DB the Texans have had who really had a good feel for grabbing interceptions in coverage. And he is a guy who wasn't trained up under Jon Hoke, a guy who never had a NFL job prior to coming to the Texans.

Drivel indeed.

ObsiWan
11-08-2008, 06:38 PM
Exhibit B:

Richard Justice: Maybe Texans are on the right track after all (http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2008/11/maybe_the_texan.html)

He discusses all these positive things from the offense.

He says:



Then check out this comment exchange:



Is this what passes for football analysis in Houston Freaking Texas? Fourth largest city in America, and we deserve that? He might as well not write on football. I think RJ is a really hard working guy, but he is out of his element.

The safety position has been a glaring weakness from the beginning of the franchise--it is like the Matt Stevens curse. The linebackers are DeMeco and those other guys, and now are hurt DeMeco and a total experiment.

The only player the Texans have on offense who would be certain to be good no matter what offense he was playing in and who was coaching him is Andre Johnson. And even AJ is on pace for a 120 catch season. (which by the way, was what Kubiak wanted him to have when they first talked when Kubiak was first hired).

The offense has a plan. They can't always effectuate their plan, but you can see progress and direction and you can guess the sorts of players they want.

Their OC, Assistant Head Coach-linemen guy, wide receiver coach, TE coach all have ties to the Kubiak way of doing things.

The defense is all over the place. You never have any sense of who they want to draft or how they think they will get better. Since Smith has been coaching, some years they blitz a lot, some they blitz a little. If opponents describe the defense, the adjective they use the most is "vanilla." Dunta Robinson says that Eugene Wilson comes from one of those defenses that disguises coverages. How novel.

Good coaches give direction, get players that suit that direction and put them in situations to succeed.

It's pretty obvious that when offenses see certain coverages that the Texans are in, they are looking to throw downfield. Where is Jacques Reeves with no safety help? THROW!!!!

Aaron Glenn, I think is the only DB the Texans have had who really had a good feel for grabbing interceptions in coverage. And he is a guy who wasn't trained up under Jon Hoke, a guy who never had a NFL job prior to coming to the Texans.

Drivel indeed.

So when AG hangs 'em up (he's still making plays for the Saints!) I wonder if he'd come here to coach our youngsters?