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GP
11-03-2008, 12:03 AM
Wow. Did any Texans fan, three or for years ago, think he'd see the day when our TE could blow up the way OD has this season?

Guys, we HAVE the offense clicking...at least everywhere but the QB. Slaton is making crazzzy moves, getting positive yards when previous Texans RBs would have crumpled for a 3-yard loss. Our TE is clutch. Our star WR is unstoppable. We have role players in Walter and Anderson who make the tough catches when thrown their way. Kris Brown is automatic.

And this is year 1 of Alex Gibbs run blocking scheme.

If we had a clutch QB, we'd be right there in 2nd place in our division AND would probably be in great contention for a wildcard right now.

For all the grief I give over Gary Kubiak and how I have been saying that I don't think he's getting it done, today's game (although ugly in SOME ways) was still a reminder that we can put points on the board. That's not something Dom Capers' Texans squad was able to do a good job of. The offense looked like Keystone Cops out there under Capers.

I hope Kubiak pulls a Chicago Bears and just loads up on defense in the 2009 draft. If we had better DBs, and another solid DL or LB, or both, we'd just need a QB and a new D-coordinator to round it out.

Norg
11-03-2008, 12:11 AM
sadly IMO Owen Daniels needs to block now apperantly we cant have a TE thats a reciver anymore because are QB's keep getting killed

Carr Bombed
11-03-2008, 12:14 AM
sadly IMO Owen Daniels needs to block now apperantly we cant have a TE thats a reciver anymore because are QB's keep getting killed

The QB got killed in this game against one of the best Dlines in the league.........our QBs don't get murked every week.

GP
11-03-2008, 12:20 AM
sadly IMO Owen Daniels needs to block now apperantly we cant have a TE thats a reciver anymore because are QB's keep getting killed

OD's a threat when defenses blitz because he gets off the snap and into his pattern so quickly and precisely.

His 133 yards did the same thing that blocking would accomplish, but the 133 yards pushed the ball down the field.

This week, I suggested that our gameplan should be to use three-step drops, screens to RBs and to WRs, quick outs, quick slants, short curls, and just anything to get the ball out of the QBs hand so that the Vikes' defense could not harass the QB. When you do that, you gas the dlinemen and it also deflates them a little, too.

We could have dinked and dunked them all day long. I am liking the overall playcalling thus far in this season, but I don't see us adjusting to what a defense is over-using. In this case, the defense was blasting around the edges a lot...and we were still using deep drops from under center. That's a time for us to go Texas Tech on their arse...BAM! get the ball in Anderson's hands, Slaton's hands, or AJ's hands etc. We seem to never adjust to the defense's tendencies.

Norg
11-03-2008, 12:29 AM
The QB got killed in this game against one of the best Dlines in the league.........our QBs don't get murked every week.

Yes they DO ... on the fins game i could of sore Porter was all over Matt like gangbusters

HJam72
11-03-2008, 09:10 AM
The Vikes got pressure on almost every play, but they got most of it right up the middle. Too bad their DTs weren't suspended for this game, because they gave Myers and co. fits.

Runner
11-03-2008, 09:21 AM
Daniels was outstanding yesterday. That part of the offense was well conceived and executed.

Malloy
11-03-2008, 09:27 AM
We could have dinked and dunked them all day long. I am liking the overall playcalling thus far in this season, but I don't see us adjusting to what a defense is over-using. In this case, the defense was blasting around the edges a lot...and we were still using deep drops from under center. That's a time for us to go Texas Tech on their arse...BAM! get the ball in Anderson's hands, Slaton's hands, or AJ's hands etc. We seem to never adjust to the defense's tendencies.

Agreed, our response to pressure on our QB is ... longer passes... I dont get it

Hervoyel
11-03-2008, 09:44 AM
Yes they DO ... on the fins game i could of sore Porter was all over Matt like gangbusters


Porter is on everybody like gangbusters. We aren't getting murdered every week there. We're unable to stop teams that rush the passer well. It's not a disaster, it's just not a strength. We need to get better up there.

Until our offense can consistently run the ball against damn near everybody this is going to be a problem. On a fairly consistent basis I see posts where people insist that we're a "pass first" team and that we should "pass first to setup the run" and that's some intensely retarded thinking right there. Our line is not huge. They are not "road graders" or 330lb monsters. They don't take 4-6 seconds just to run around and they never will. They're smallish, quick, and very much susceptible to being overwhelmed by teams that can rush the passer well IF they spend all afternoon dropping back to pass. This isn't Munchak, Matthews, Dino Steinkuhler and the boys. These guys couldn't hold those players jocks. Warren Moon dropping back to pass as much as he did would be a dead man by now trying to do it behind this group and that's not because our offensive line is bad and these players are crap. That's because they aren't setup to do that stuff. They're supposed to be able to run the ball....a lot. We aren't and that's a problem. We're also passing far too much when we get behind on the road and it becomes a matter of these teams pinning their ears back and overwhelming our line while their fans scream so loud that our QB has to put tape over his ear holes.

Until we can run the ball and keep our opponents from running up 28-31 points a week consistently we'll be no better than a .500 team and lucky to be that (meaning we'll have to be near perfect at home).

Schaub is the perfect QB for what Kubiak wants to do. Thinking that we aren't set at QB is a mistake. The real problem here (on offense) is that we're not doing what Kubiak wants to do yet. We're having some success with this but it's not the kind of offensive production we're looking for. We need to be able to run the ball. We need to be consistently cracking 150 yards on the ground and controlling clock.

Texans_Chick
11-03-2008, 09:57 AM
Porter is on everybody like gangbusters. We aren't getting murdered every week there. We're unable to stop teams that rush the passer well. It's not a disaster, it's just not a strength. We need to get better up there.

Until our offense can consistently run the ball against damn near everybody this is going to be a problem. On a fairly consistent basis I see posts where people insist that we're a "pass first" team and that we should "pass first to setup the run" and that's some intensely retarded thinking right there. Our line is not huge. They are not "road graders" or 330lb monsters. They don't take 4-6 seconds just to run around and they never will. They're smallish, quick, and very much susceptible to being overwhelmed by teams that can rush the passer well IF they spend all afternoon dropping back to pass. This isn't Munchak, Matthews, Dino Steinkuhler and the boys. These guys couldn't hold those players jocks. Warren Moon dropping back to pass as much as he did would be a dead man by now trying to do it behind this group and that's not because our offensive line is bad and these players are crap. That's because they aren't setup to do that stuff. They're supposed to be able to run the ball....a lot. We aren't and that's a problem. We're also passing far too much when we get behind on the road and it becomes a matter of these teams pinning their ears back and overwhelming our line while their fans scream so loud that our QB has to put tape over his ear holes.

Until we can run the ball and keep our opponents from running up 28-31 points a week consistently we'll be no better than a .500 team and lucky to be that (meaning we'll have to be near perfect at home).

Schaub is the perfect QB for what Kubiak wants to do. Thinking that we aren't set at QB is a mistake. The real problem here (on offense) is that we're not doing what Kubiak wants to do yet. We're having some success with this but it's not the kind of offensive production we're looking for. We need to be able to run the ball. We need to be consistently cracking 150 yards on the ground and controlling clock.



Yes, yes, yes and yes. EXACTLY. This post was so good, it is worth quoting it again.

And it is the reason why the Texans play better at home than on the road. Because on the road, it is harder to execute your offense and the Texans don't have a defense that can hold points down.

Said very similar things at the Chron blog (http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2008/11/houston_texans_are_who_we_thou.html).

I would have liked them to attempt more runs. Especially when Schaub was getting killed. If you pass as much as the Texans do, you will get your quarterback killed if a good pass rushing team doesn't think you are going to run at all.

Texecutioner
11-03-2008, 01:11 PM
This is the one thing I will give credit to the coaching staff for. I said at half time to GET DANIELS THE BALL! They were doubling up on AJ that whole first half, and I kept wondering why we weren't going to Daniels more. They did in the 2nd half though, and it worked great. Daniels is the real deal. We have to continue feeding this guy the ball relentlessly. It will open up many other weapons especially AJ.

Polo
11-03-2008, 01:16 PM
Schaub can't always expect to go to work under ideal conditions...

Sometimes the opposing D-line is going to have a better day than our O-line...No reason to fall apart...

The turnovers in the redzone were ridiculous...

austintexanite
11-03-2008, 03:02 PM
OD leads the AFC in yardage. I can honeslty say I was not a big fan of his coming out of Sconsin, but he has played his tail off since he got hear. I just wish he hadn't had fumbled against the Browns last year. I would like to see a little bit more running in the offense but we are on the right track. Defensively...

spurstexanstros
11-04-2008, 12:31 AM
OD Pro Bowler..and future battle red jersey of yours truly

Marcus
11-04-2008, 12:01 PM
This is not be meant as a knock on Owen Daniels, but the reason why he caught 11 passes on Sunday, was because they didn't want AJ catching 11 of them.

You take what the defense gives you.

nunusguy
11-04-2008, 02:29 PM
Less see now, ODs basically a Texan because of Casserlys recommendation
to draft him ? Right ?
But OD could definitely be a serious Pro Bowl possibility if Houston were to challenge for a playoff berth IMO.

TheRealJoker
11-04-2008, 02:50 PM
OD WILL make the pro bowl at this pace.

AJ/OD > TO/Witten

Marcus
11-04-2008, 03:25 PM
Less see now, ODs basically a Texan because of Casserlys recommendationto draft him ? Right ?

But OD could definitely be a serious Pro Bowl possibility if Houston were to challenge for a playoff berth IMO.

You're right. Kubiak said he hadn't heard of Owen Daniels until Casserly told him about him.

As far going to the Pro Bowl, fat chance.

Htownsportsfan
11-04-2008, 03:33 PM
I still remember the reaction on Message Boards when we drafted Daniels with the QB by his name. Everyone was freaking out that we took a quarterback, even once Kubiak laid out his plans to switch him to TE people complained we shoudl have just taken an experienced TE.

Damn I love it when a plan comes together!

infantrycak
11-04-2008, 03:52 PM
even once Kubiak laid out his plans to switch him to TE people complained we shoudl have just taken an experienced TE.!

OD played TE his last two years in college.

Insideop
11-04-2008, 07:38 PM
Porter is on everybody like gangbusters. We aren't getting murdered every week there. We're unable to stop teams that rush the passer well. It's not a disaster, it's just not a strength. We need to get better up there.

Until our offense can consistently run the ball against damn near everybody this is going to be a problem. On a fairly consistent basis I see posts where people insist that we're a "pass first" team and that we should "pass first to setup the run" and that's some intensely retarded thinking right there. Our line is not huge. They are not "road graders" or 330lb monsters. They don't take 4-6 seconds just to run around and they never will. They're smallish, quick, and very much susceptible to being overwhelmed by teams that can rush the passer well IF they spend all afternoon dropping back to pass. This isn't Munchak, Matthews, Dino Steinkuhler and the boys. These guys couldn't hold those players jocks. Warren Moon dropping back to pass as much as he did would be a dead man by now trying to do it behind this group and that's not because our offensive line is bad and these players are crap. That's because they aren't setup to do that stuff. They're supposed to be able to run the ball....a lot. We aren't and that's a problem. We're also passing far too much when we get behind on the road and it becomes a matter of these teams pinning their ears back and overwhelming our line while their fans scream so loud that our QB has to put tape over his ear holes.

Until we can run the ball and keep our opponents from running up 28-31 points a week consistently we'll be no better than a .500 team and lucky to be that (meaning we'll have to be near perfect at home).

Schaub is the perfect QB for what Kubiak wants to do. Thinking that we aren't set at QB is a mistake. The real problem here (on offense) is that we're not doing what Kubiak wants to do yet. We're having some success with this but it's not the kind of offensive production we're looking for. We need to be able to run the ball. We need to be consistently cracking 150 yards on the ground and controlling clock.

Herv, this post is dead on! The traditional ZB O-linemen are usually smaller and quicker (like Denver's) enabling them to get to the 2nd level and clear a hole for the RB to make his "one cut and run." They are not ideal for for the passing game in which a QB can sit in the pocket and pick apart defenses.

Unfortunately for the Texans, they have the QB and WR's for the passing game and the O-linemen for the ZB game. This becomes more apparent when a defense has large D-linemen, able to collapse the pocket and stuff the run game, and the Texans are playing from behind.

I think the answer (at least part) to this is drafting a RB like Stewart or Forte to go along with Slaton and possibly another Center or Guard to shore up the line. I know everyone is calling for more help on Defense, and I agree they need help too, but we are very thin at RB right now with no real help for Slaton except Moats and an oft injured Green. Either way, they need help on both sides of the ball. JMHO!

Runner
11-04-2008, 09:18 PM
OD played TE his last two years in college.

Thank you - I thought I had gone brain dead since I didn't remember him as a QB.

Honoring Earl 34
11-04-2008, 09:37 PM
Porter is on everybody like gangbusters. We aren't getting murdered every week there. We're unable to stop teams that rush the passer well. It's not a disaster, it's just not a strength. We need to get better up there.

Until our offense can consistently run the ball against damn near everybody this is going to be a problem. On a fairly consistent basis I see posts where people insist that we're a "pass first" team and that we should "pass first to setup the run" and that's some intensely retarded thinking right there. Our line is not huge. They are not "road graders" or 330lb monsters. They don't take 4-6 seconds just to run around and they never will. They're smallish, quick, and very much susceptible to being overwhelmed by teams that can rush the passer well IF they spend all afternoon dropping back to pass. This isn't Munchak, Matthews, Dino Steinkuhler and the boys. These guys couldn't hold those players jocks. Warren Moon dropping back to pass as much as he did would be a dead man by now trying to do it behind this group and that's not because our offensive line is bad and these players are crap. That's because they aren't setup to do that stuff. They're supposed to be able to run the ball....a lot. We aren't and that's a problem. We're also passing far too much when we get behind on the road and it becomes a matter of these teams pinning their ears back and overwhelming our line while their fans scream so loud that our QB has to put tape over his ear holes.

Until we can run the ball and keep our opponents from running up 28-31 points a week consistently we'll be no better than a .500 team and lucky to be that (meaning we'll have to be near perfect at home).

Schaub is the perfect QB for what Kubiak wants to do. Thinking that we aren't set at QB is a mistake. The real problem here (on offense) is that we're not doing what Kubiak wants to do yet. We're having some success with this but it's not the kind of offensive production we're looking for. We need to be able to run the ball. We need to be consistently cracking 150 yards on the ground and controlling clock.

I guess I'll join in to .

I think this is the wrong setup for our division . Any team with a big/strong interior DL is gonna give us fits . It seems what we lack in size we make up for it by not being aggresive . The Titans and Jags are huge in the middle and they drive our center straight back .

My solution would be to decide if Brown can handle LT if so focus on a big /strong G/C in the draft . If not then I think Brown could play guard . I would also try to find a compliment to Slaton ... a bigger back who can wear a defense down . This doesn't seem to hard because Barber , Jacobs , and Turner were all second day backs .

GP
11-05-2008, 10:14 AM
You're right. Kubiak said he hadn't heard of Owen Daniels until Casserly told him about him.

As far going to the Pro Bowl, fat chance.

Agreed.

Pro Bowl voting is like your high school homecoming king and queen. Only the pretty and stylish need apply. Great players on bad team? Good luck.

The Cowboys have done JACK in the playoffs each year, and yet they were one of the teams with the most representation, correct? One of the perennial "bust" teams and they field Pro Bowlers year in and year out.

It's a joke.

mexican_texan
11-05-2008, 10:37 AM
This is not be meant as a knock on Owen Daniels, but the reason why he caught 11 passes on Sunday, was because they didn't want AJ catching 11 of them.

You take what the defense gives you.
Early on, AJ was used to free up the other recievers. He would go on deep routes, leaving K-Dub or Daniels wide open in the middle of the field. Later on, though, Schaub just had no time to find him.