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Yankee_In_TX
11-01-2008, 10:55 PM
Wow, that was a great game.

But hey, please don't storm the field before the game is over.

Also, please don't storm the field a second time before the game is over.

Thanks,
NCAA fans every where.

PS Crabtree is a beast.

TxDavid
11-03-2008, 11:00 PM
I'm surprised they didn't clear the field. People were piled up all the way to the endzone. The officials should have emptied the stadium, then proceeded with the final second.

Besides, doesn't rushing the field lose it's excitement when it's done a second & third time?

Wolf
11-04-2008, 08:13 AM
Counterfeiters take Texas Tech fans for a ride

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Counterfeiters-take-Texas-Tech-fans-for-a-ride?urn=ncaaf,119260


Between an over-excited bell-ringer, half of the student section whispering "Why so serious?" and multiple stormings of the field, Texas Tech fans got about as rowdy Saturday night as 51,000 people can without reenacting the watering hole scene from 2001: A Space Odyssey or trampling on one another's heads. It was probably the biggest, most intense three hours in campus history.

But not everyone in Lubbock was overcome with the pageantry: Tech officials said Sunday that 500 latecomers trying to score tickets around the stadium -- including at least one Raider player trying to get a seat for a friend -- missed out on the fun when they were taken in by counterfeit tickets:

"They got robbed is what it was," said Dave Welsh, Tech assistant athletic director for ticket operations. "These (counterfeiters), I think they hit the big-time bowl games and the Super Bowl and so forth. They look just like our regular season-ticket stock, but the bar codes obviously arenít going to match. It was heartbreaking seeing all these people get ripped off."

Heartbreaking to miss the game-winning Harrell-to-Crabtree connection and subsequent crowd explosion, yes. But if the same people showed up early for Game Day, they got to survive Bobby Knight, nailing the pick in classic Bob Knight form, and Lee Corso firing a pair of shotguns while blinded by a giant cartoon head for free.

4x4tx
11-05-2008, 08:12 PM
dear tech fans,

act like you've been there before....oh wait, you haven't...nevermind...but do take notice you do not see this anywhere else....that could have been very dangerous

JWarren14
11-06-2008, 10:26 AM
The biggest game in the history of their school...let them enjoy it! Why would they act like they have been there before when they haven't? Wouldn't they have done it at one point before if they had done it before? After a game like that going down to the final second with a score like that vs. a team like on PrimeTime with a school and town that never gets any love? I wouldn't mind if they did it after every touchdown like the Dawgs team celebration last year vs. Florida. Jeezzz....heaven forbid fans, students, and Alumni in Lubbock get to celebrate anything. Please in an orderly fashion file out of the stadium in a single file line....This is what makes college football different from most other sports the energy and the excitement thats to be had under the lights....

Off my soap box...:kingkong:

bah007
11-06-2008, 11:05 AM
The biggest game in the history of their school...let them enjoy it! Why would they act like they have been there before when they haven't? Wouldn't they have done it at one point before if they had done it before? After a game like that going down to the final second with a score like that vs. a team like on PrimeTime with a school and town that never gets any love? I wouldn't mind if they did it after every touchdown like the Dawgs team celebration last year vs. Florida. Jeezzz....heaven forbid fans, students, and Alumni in Lubbock get to celebrate anything. Please in an orderly fashion file out of the stadium in a single file line....This is what makes college football different from most other sports the energy and the excitement thats to be had under the lights....

Off my soap box...:kingkong:

LOL.

Rushing the field before the game is even over?

Nevermind acting like they have been there before (since they haven't), can they just please at least act like they have a brain?

I'm all for rushing the field.....AFTER the game.

Mr teX
11-06-2008, 12:36 PM
Come on folks, give 'em a break. It was 1 sec left, the game was essentially over & after watching that play in real time, i too initially thought time had run out after it seemingly took him forever to break that tackle & tip-toe down the sideline.

If the game were in Austin & the shoe was on the other foot, i'm confident in assuming that some UT fans would've done the same thing .........................maybe they wouldn't have done it again after the extra point, but surely after the TD.

Yankee_In_TX
11-06-2008, 12:40 PM
When I stormed the field in the Shoe in 2002 after beating Michigan, I waited until time was out :)

Mr teX
11-06-2008, 12:52 PM
When I stormed the field in the Shoe in 2002 after beating Michigan, I waited until time was out :)

Good for you, but you can never account for the drunken retards & what they might do...

bah007
11-06-2008, 03:56 PM
Come on folks, give 'em a break. It was 1 sec left, the game was essentially over & after watching that play in real time, i too initially thought time had run out after it seemingly took him forever to break that tackle & tip-toe down the sideline.

If the game were in Austin & the shoe was on the other foot, i'm confident in assuming that some UT fans would've done the same thing .........................maybe they wouldn't have done it again after the extra point, but surely after the TD.

Honestly, I doubt UT fans would even rush the field in that situation.

I know it gets on other fans' nerves, but we can be a cocky group. We expect to beat Tech every year & even in a game as close and entertaining as that one, I don't think you would see UT fans rushing the field.

I could be wrong though...

bah007
11-09-2008, 09:42 PM
Dear Tech fans,

I was wrong about your team.

I felt like Texas was still the best team in the Big XII even after ya'll beat us.

We are the second best team.

Your offense is unstopable and your defense is the most underrated unit in the conference.

Hope you beat the snot out of OU and clear the way for us to make the Fiesta Bowl.

Good luck.

DiehardChris
11-09-2008, 09:47 PM
Dear Tech fans,

I was wrong about your team.

I felt like Texas was still the best team in the Big XII even after ya'll beat us.

We are the second best team.

Your offense is unstopable and your defense is the most underrated unit in the conference.

Hope you beat the snot out of OU and clear the way for us to make the Fiesta Bowl.

Good luck.

Wait - don't we want OU to win that game so Texas can pass Tech in the BCS?

bah007
11-09-2008, 10:21 PM
Wait - don't we want OU to win that game so Texas can pass Tech in the BCS?

Yes.

But cheering for OU is very hard to do.

DiehardChris
11-09-2008, 10:28 PM
Well yeah but if it means our ONLY shot at a national title? It must be done.

Plus - it's not like they're playing a team we like. Won't be hard to root against Tech and their poor, poor Lubbock-imprisoned fans.

TexanSam
11-09-2008, 10:45 PM
If Oklahoma beats Texas Tech, it's possible that OU jumps ahead of Texas in the BCS standings. At that point, it's the BCS standings that decide who goes to the Big 12 Championship game and it could be Oklahoma. And if they win that game, they could go to the National Championship game as well.

DiehardChris
11-09-2008, 10:50 PM
If Oklahoma beats Texas Tech, it's possible that OU jumps ahead of Texas in the BCS standings. At that point, it's the BCS standings that decide who goes to the Big 12 Championship game and it could be Oklahoma. And if they win that game, they could go to the National Championship game as well.

Right, but we have NO shot to make the title game if Tech beats OU in that game and wins out, even if UT wins out - right?

Scooter
11-10-2008, 12:59 AM
Dear Tech fans,

I was wrong about your team.

I felt like Texas was still the best team in the Big XII even after ya'll beat us.

We are the second best team.

Your offense is unstopable and your defense is the most underrated unit in the conference.

Hope you beat the snot out of OU and clear the way for us to make the Fiesta Bowl.

Good luck.

thanks for this post. as i've said elsewhere, the big 12 south is pure nasty and tech is the only team that has survived to 10-0. whatever your reservations about tech and their history (i'm first to admit my doubts), and how unlikely it is that they'll continue their gauntlet to beat OK, tech's earned respect as a complete team and has worked their way to the top tier as a team and not a gimmick.

bah007
11-10-2008, 02:34 AM
If Oklahoma beats Texas Tech, it's possible that OU jumps ahead of Texas in the BCS standings. At that point, it's the BCS standings that decide who goes to the Big 12 Championship game and it could be Oklahoma. And if they win that game, they could go to the National Championship game as well.

As long as Texas wins out, OU will not be able to pass them in the BCS.

If TCU had not lost, then maybe.

But every time OU wins, Texas gets a boost in the computers. The human voters would probably have to drop Texas in the polls for it to happen. I don't think they will get a chance to.

Errant Hothy
11-10-2008, 08:27 AM
Dear Tech fans,

I was wrong about your team.

I felt like Texas was still the best team in the Big XII even after ya'll beat us.

We are the second best team.

Your offense is unstopable and your defense is the most underrated unit in the conference.

Hope you beat the snot out of OU and clear the way for us to make the Fiesta Bowl.

Good luck.

Thank you. I have the feeling we are going to need all the luck we can get in Norman.

Yankee_In_TX
11-10-2008, 08:57 AM
Good for you, but you can never account for the drunken retards & what they might do...

I'm sorry, have you ever been to a game in Columbus?

What's the difference between a Buckeye fan and a Texas fan?

At least the Buckeye fan is only rude when he's drunk (which is Thursday PM through Sunday afternoon, weekly) (runs and hides).

Texan_Bill
11-10-2008, 09:16 AM
Meh..... Who cares about the Little 11??

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Tech's win was really..... really impressive. Big 12 this year has really been fun to watch (except the Ags of course:gun:).

Yankee_In_TX
11-10-2008, 09:23 AM
Meh..... Who cares about the Little 11??

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Tech's win was really..... really impressive. Big 12 this year has really been fun to watch (except the Ags of course:gun:).

And the Huskers. *runs from the Mrs.*

Texan_Bill
11-10-2008, 09:39 AM
And the Huskers. *runs from the Mrs.*

Don't run to the north... DiapHer will cut you off at the pass.

rmartin65
11-10-2008, 11:17 AM
As long as Texas wins out, OU will not be able to pass them in the BCS.

If TCU had not lost, then maybe.

But every time OU wins, Texas gets a boost in the computers. The human voters would probably have to drop Texas in the polls for it to happen. I don't think they will get a chance to.

I think that if Oklahoma beats Tech, they jump Texas. Texas is only 1 spot ahead of Oklahoma, and if they beat the number 2 ranked team, they deserve to jump a spot.

Errant Hothy
11-10-2008, 11:23 AM
I think that if Oklahoma beats Tech, they jump Texas. Texas is only 1 spot ahead of Oklahoma, and if they beat the number 2 ranked team, they deserve to jump a spot.

I don't think they deserve to jump the team that beat them.

DiapHer
11-10-2008, 11:27 AM
And the Huskers. *runs from the Mrs.*

Don't run to the north... DiapHer will cut you off at the pass.


So much for the positive rep I gave you for your joke!!! :tomato:



http://www.freewebs.com/michiganmal/ohio_sucks%5B2%5D.jpg

Mr teX
11-10-2008, 12:15 PM
I don't think they deserve to jump the team that beat them.

They will especially if they go on ahead & beat Ok. state.

bah007
11-10-2008, 12:20 PM
I think that if Oklahoma beats Tech, they jump Texas. Texas is only 1 spot ahead of Oklahoma, and if they beat the number 2 ranked team, they deserve to jump a spot.

That's the kind of backwards thinking that creates all this chaos in the first place. This "what have you done for me lately" crap is ridiculous. A team's ENTIRE season should be taken into account, not just the last half.

Texas beat Oklahoma by 10 on a neutral field, plus they will have a higher strength of schedule at the end of the season. Period.

On top of that, the BCS doesn't care what place a team is in in the polls. Only how much points they acquire.

For example:

Coaches poll:
OU #4 - 1314 points (.8616)
UT #5 - 1300 points (.8525)

Harris poll:
UT #4 - 2471 (.8670)
OU #5 - 2427 (.8516)

Computers:
UT #3 - .920
OU #5 - .820

Even though Oklahoma is ranked higher in the coaches poll right now, to the BCS they are practically tied.

Even if OU wins out, they have no shot of passing Texas in the computers. So the human voters would have to throw OU up to #1 & keep Texas down at around #5 for OU to even have a shot.

IF OU beats Tech, I'm guessing the human polls will look like this:
1. Alabama
2. Oklahoma
3. Florida
4. Texas
5. Texas Tech

I'm not saying that is the way it should be. Just the way it probably will be.

DiehardChris
11-10-2008, 12:25 PM
Also, let's not underestimate the national media's obsession with USC. Sigh.

bah007
11-10-2008, 12:29 PM
Also, let's not underestimate the national media's obsession with USC. Sigh.

USC has no chance unless there is Big XII and SEC chaos.

The computers have them at #8.

If there is chaos in the end, then watch out for Utah. They have a better shot of getting in than USC.

Mr teX
11-10-2008, 12:31 PM
That's the kind of backwards thinking that creates all this chaos in the first place. This "what have you done for me lately" crap is ridiculous. A team's ENTIRE season should be taken into account, not just the last half.

Texas beat Oklahoma by 10 on a neutral field, plus they will have a higher strength of schedule at the end of the season. Period.

On top of that, the BCS doesn't care what place a team is in in the polls. Only how much points they acquire.

For example:

Coaches poll:
OU #4 - 1314 points (.8616)
UT #5 - 1300 points (.8525)

Harris poll:
UT #4 - 2471 (.8670)
OU #5 - 2427 (.8516)

Computers:
UT #3 - .920
OU #5 - .820

Even though Oklahoma is ranked higher in the coaches poll right now, to the BCS they are practically tied.

Even if OU wins out, they have no shot of passing Texas in the computers. So the human voters would have to throw OU up to #1 & keep Texas down at around #5 for OU to even have a shot.

IF OU beats Tech, I'm guessing the human polls will look like this:
1. Alabama
2. Oklahoma
3. Florida
4. Texas
5. Texas Tech

I'm not saying that is the way it should be. Just the way it probably will be.


The only reason those bcs rankings look like that is b/c Oklahoma hasn't run into thier gauntlet of games yet... Oklahoma should & will jump Texas if they beat Tech & beat Ok. state.

Florida deserves to jump them too if they knock off Bama in the NC.

Yankee_In_TX
11-10-2008, 12:33 PM
So... Tech wins out and Bama loses and then beats FL in the SEC title game?

Not likely (way to punk out LSU). Given that, why not Texas v. Texas Tech for the BCS Title?

(my plan really hinged on LSU beating Bama, though).

bah007
11-10-2008, 12:36 PM
The only reason those bcs rankings look like that is b/c Oklahoma hasn't run into thier gauntlet of games yet... Oklahoma should & will jump Texas if they beat Tech & beat Ok. state.

Florida deserves to jump them too if they knock off Bama in the NC.

Explain the bolded part.

If Florida wins the SEC of course they deserve to go in.

bah007
11-10-2008, 12:37 PM
So... Tech wins out and Bama loses and then beats FL in the SEC title game?

Not likely (way to punk out LSU). Given that, why not Texas v. Texas Tech for the BCS Title?

(my plan really hinged on LSU beating Bama, though).

Texas could get in to face Tech.

But more likely the human voters would vault up Utah, USC, or Penn St ahead of them.

Mr teX
11-10-2008, 01:16 PM
Explain the bolded part.

If Florida wins the SEC of course they deserve to go in.

well.....if nothing else

Oklahoma will have beat the same team that beat texas who's ranked higher as of right now...

Oklahoma will have played the same teams texas has & if they win all of those....Plus they beat a surprising TCU team in non conference play.

Oklahoma lost early enough to have recovered & lost to a higher ranked team in Texas (#5) than UT did (#7)

Oklahoma is seemingly playing better as of right now.

Not really sientific or BCS formula based....

Errant Hothy
11-10-2008, 01:18 PM
The only reason those bcs rankings look like that is b/c Oklahoma hasn't run into thier gauntlet of games yet... Oklahoma should & will jump Texas if they beat Tech & beat Ok. state.

Florida deserves to jump them too if they knock off Bama in the NC.

Nevermind the fact that UT beat OU and Ok. State, right?

Let's not forget that UT also beat Mizzou.

The only way OU should be ranked higher then UT is if UT loses to the aggies.

bah007
11-10-2008, 01:24 PM
well.....if nothing else

Oklahoma will have beat the same team that beat texas who's ranked higher as of right now...

Oklahoma will have played the same teams texas has & if they win all of those....Plus they beat a surprising TCU team in non conference play.

Oklahoma lost early enough to have recovered & lost to a higher ranked team in Texas (#5) than UT did (#7)

Oklahoma is seemingly playing better as of right now.

Not really sientific or BCS formula based....

It doesn't matter what a team is ranked when you beat them.

Clemson was #9 when Alabama beat them. So what?

What matter is where a team is at the end.

I could make the argument that Tech was underrated when they played Texas (thus they were ranked lower than they should have been).

Mr teX
11-10-2008, 01:25 PM
Nevermind the fact that UT beat OU and Ok. State, right?

Let's not forget that UT also beat Mizzou.

The only way OU should be ranked higher then UT is if UT loses to the aggies.

when you're playing in such a deep league, teams will beat up on each other....LSU lost 2 games last year to amazingly deep SEC so Texas just can't hang their hat on the fact that they beat OU on a neutral field. It was far from dominating. OU will be getting the same teams UT got & if they beat the Tech team that beat Texas, that should about even their lost to texas out.

Mizzou is overrated & Ok. State looks spent although it will be tough for the sooners in stillwater.

Mr teX
11-10-2008, 01:29 PM
It doesn't matter what a team is ranked when you beat them.

Clemson was #9 when Alabama beat them. So what?

What matter is where a team is at the end.

I could make the argument that Tech was underrated when they played Texas (thus they were ranked lower than they should have been).

It does..it just doesn't reflect in the BCS rankings directly...more so in the human polls which in turn are reflected in the BCS rankings. You pretty much just diagramed that in a few posts above. It's really about the only way teams like TCU & Utah get up there b/c we all know they aren't playing anybody in conference. they primarily move up b/c of the human polls

bah007
11-10-2008, 01:42 PM
when you're playing in such a deep league, teams will beat up on each other....LSU lost 2 games last year to amazingly deep SEC so Texas just can't hang their hat on the fact that they beat OU on a neutral field. It was far from dominating. OU will be getting the same teams UT got & if they beat the Tech team that beat Texas, that should about even their lost to texas out.

Mizzou is overrated & Ok. State looks spent although it will be tough for the sooners in stillwater.

The best way to determine who the better team is by playing on a NEUTRAL FIELD.

That's why the bowl games are played at neutral fields. You take away the advantages so that it is just Team A vs Team B.

If you beat a team on a neutral field & finish the season with the same number of losses as them there is no way that team you beat can be considered better than you.

That is a ludicrous idea.

bah007
11-10-2008, 01:47 PM
It does..it just doesn't reflect in the BCS rankings directly...more so in the human polls which in turn are reflected in the BCS rankings. You pretty much just diagramed that in a few posts above. It's really about the only way teams like TCU & Utah get up there b/c we all know they aren't playing anybody in conference. they primarily move up b/c of the human polls

If we go that route:

Texas would have beaten teams that were #1 (neutral), #6 (home), & #11 (home) at the time they played. They would have lost to #7 (road).

Oklahoma would have beaten teams that were #2 (home), , #13 (road), #16 (home), & #24 (home) at the time they played. They would have lost to #5 (neutral).

Even if you play that game, Texas looks more impressive in that regard as well as the head to head victory.

Mr teX
11-10-2008, 01:56 PM
The best way to determine who the better team is by playing on a NEUTRAL FIELD.

That's why the bowl games are played at neutral fields. You take away the advantages so that it is just Team A vs Team B.

If you beat a team on a neutral field & finish the season with the same number of losses as them there is no way that team you beat can be considered better than you.

That is a ludicrous idea.

I agree... I'm not saying that Texas beating OU isn't a quality win, i'm just saying the fact that UT beat OU isn't the end-all-be-all like some here believe. If they all wind up losing only 1 game to each other after they finish with their respective gauntlet of games, they're all even imo & at that point it becomes postioning as far as where the teams are at that point & who's been playing better & more consistently...& since OU is the last of them to go thru their gauntlet all those things are in their favor......if they win out.

Errant Hothy
11-10-2008, 01:59 PM
All of this is assuming that OU wins out, which is going to be a challenge with their D.

Mr teX
11-10-2008, 02:02 PM
If we go that route:

Texas would have beaten teams that were #1 (neutral), #6 (home), & #11 (home) at the time they played. They would have lost to #7 (road).

Oklahoma would have beaten teams that were #2 (home), , #13 (road), #16 (home), & #24 (home) at the time they played. They would have lost to #5 (neutral).

Even if you play that game, Texas looks more impressive in that regard as well as the head to head victory.

umm....beating 4 ranked teams vs. 3 looks more impressive to me but i digress. The 3 of them look even from having watched them all play at 1 point or another...they all can be beat by each other on any given night.

We won't know how texas ranks among the 3 until OU finishes up its schedule, which, outside of homerism is the only reason some here believe Texas is head & shoulders better than Tech & OU.

Yankee_In_TX
11-10-2008, 02:18 PM
That's why the bowl games are played at neutral fields. You take away the advantages so that it is just Team A vs Team B.


USC in the Rose Bowl? LSU in the Sugar Bowl/Title Game? Florida or Miami in the Orange Bowl?

Neutral?

bah007
11-10-2008, 02:33 PM
umm....beating 4 ranked teams vs. 3 looks more impressive to me but i digress. The 3 of them look even from having watched them all play at 1 point or another...they all can be beat by each other on any given night.

We won't know how texas ranks among the 3 until OU finishes up its schedule, which, outside of homerism is the only reason some here believe Texas is head & shoulders better than Tech & OU.

Well despite the fact that I already admitted that Tech is a better team than Texas.....and Texas BEAT Oklahoma, then sure. Whatever.

If anyone can be accused of homerism in this little debate it is you.

I have provided plenty of evidence that proves that UT has done more this season than OU and all you came back with was that you think Oklahoma is, "seemingly playing better as of right now".

As for OU beating four ranked teams to UT's three, how about Texas playing the #8 schedule in the country and coming out with only one loss. As opposed to Oklahoma playing the #43 schedule and coming out with (maybe) only one loss?

bah007
11-10-2008, 02:36 PM
USC in the Rose Bowl? LSU in the Sugar Bowl/Title Game? Florida or Miami in the Orange Bowl?

Neutral?

Each school gets 50% of the tickets for bowl games so location is meaningless.....unless your fan base doesn't buy all 50%.

Texan_Bill
11-10-2008, 02:36 PM
USC in the Rose Bowl? LSU in the Sugar Bowl/Title Game? Florida or Miami in the Orange Bowl?

Neutral?

C'mon man....
Pasadena is completely cross town from South Central.
New Orleans is 80 miles from Red Stick.
Gainesville is 340 miles to Miami.
The only valid argument is Miami in the Orange Bowl....


:stirpot:

Yankee_In_TX
11-10-2008, 02:53 PM
Each school gets 50% of the tickets for bowl games so location is meaningless.....unless your fan base doesn't buy all 50%.

FALSE. Because of stadium agreements, local season ticket holders get a crack. I have friends with Saints season tickets - they bought national champsionship tickets early on (who wouldn't).

Another example - As a Reliant season ticket holder I buy Texas Bowl seats every year. If U of H had a larger fan base, it would give them a huge advantage. I bought Big 12 championship tickets before they went on sale (Texas). I bought NCAA basketball tickets before they went on sale (Texas).

Despite getting tickets for cool events, I think it's crappy for teams who suddenly are playing an away game. Ohio State travels easily top 5 team in the country. We dominated New Orleans for days before the title game (many LSU fans were surprised by how many Buckeyes were in the city). Suddenly we walk into the stadium and BOOM - 70/30 LSU fans. I found out later it was due to a large chunk (I don't know how many) of Saints season ticket holders buying tickets before they went on sale.

I guess my point is "neutral" fields don't exist in those situations.

Yankee_In_TX
11-10-2008, 02:54 PM
C'mon man....
Pasadena is completely cross town from South Central.
New Orleans is 80 miles from Red Stick.
Gainesville is 340 miles to Miami.
The only valid argument is Miami in the Orange Bowl....


:stirpot:


Ok, maybe I'm wrong about Florida, I don't know Miami geography :-P. But any team who can drive 6 hours or less has an advantage over a team flying from half way across the county.

bah007
11-10-2008, 02:55 PM
FALSE. Because of stadium agreements, local season ticket holders get a crack. I have friends with Saints season tickets - they bought national champsionship tickets early on (who wouldn't).

Another example - As a Reliant season ticket holder I buy Texas Bowl seats every year. If U of H had a larger fan base, it would give them a huge advantage. I bought Big 12 championship tickets before they went on sale (Texas). I bought NCAA basketball tickets before they went on sale (Texas).

Despite getting tickets for cool events, I think it's crappy for teams who suddenly are playing an away game. Ohio State travels easily top 5 team in the country. We dominated New Orleans for days before the title game (many LSU fans were surprised by how many Buckeyes were in the city). Suddenly we walk into the stadium and BOOM - 70/30 LSU fans. I found out later it was due to a large chunk (I don't know how many) of Saints season ticket holders buying tickets before they went on sale.

Well each school gets the same number of tickets to sell.

I didn't realize they could also be had in the way you mentioned.

Yankee_In_TX
11-10-2008, 03:01 PM
Well each school gets the same number of tickets to sell.

I didn't realize they could also be had in the way you mentioned.

Neither did I - 50/50 sounds good. BUT, as long as I can benefit from being a Texans season ticket holder (hey, we deserve SOMETHING, right?) I'm a hypocrite for buying everything I can. Some times to enjoy, some times to resell.

Mr teX
11-10-2008, 04:22 PM
Well despite the fact that I already admitted that Tech is a better team than Texas.....and Texas BEAT Oklahoma, then sure. Whatever.

If anyone can be accused of homerism in this little debate it is you.

I have provided plenty of evidence that proves that UT has done more this season than OU and all you came back with was that you think Oklahoma is, "seemingly playing better as of right now".

As for OU beating four ranked teams to UT's three, how about Texas playing the #8 schedule in the country and coming out with only one loss. As opposed to Oklahoma playing the #43 schedule and coming out with (maybe) only one loss?

I wasn't accusing u of homerism guy, relax...it was more geared at those who think that it doesn't matter what OU does from this point out...UT beat OU so that means they are better....quite frankly that's just proposterous.

As for the bolded UP TO TODAY's DATE.......they have. Let the season play out before we crown Texas, OU or Tech the best out of the big 12. They are for the most part virtually the same teams.

Hell, if i asked u to name me the team out of the big 12 who can put up lots of points, has a top heisman trophy candidate & great Qb play to boot.. would u even know which 1 of the 3 i was talking about if i mentioned no names or tell-tell clues?

bah007
11-11-2008, 11:36 AM
I wasn't accusing u of homerism guy, relax...it was more geared at those who think that it doesn't matter what OU does from this point out...UT beat OU so that means they are better....quite frankly that's just proposterous.

As for the bolded UP TO TODAY's DATE.......they have. Let the season play out before we crown Texas, OU or Tech the best out of the big 12. They are for the most part virtually the same teams.

Hell, if i asked u to name me the team out of the big 12 who can put up lots of points, has a top heisman trophy candidate & great Qb play to boot.. would u even know which 1 of the 3 i was talking about if i mentioned no names or tell-tell clues?

I know. What were we thinking? Why do they even play the games anymore if head to head wins on a neutral field don't even matter?

I know that you weren't accusing me of homerism. I just think its quite funny that you can make a bold statement like that about anyone when you don't even provide evidence for the argument you are trying to make.

Mr teX
11-11-2008, 03:49 PM
I know. What were we thinking? Why do they even play the games anymore if head to head wins on a neutral field don't even matter?

I know that you weren't accusing me of homerism. I just think its quite funny that you can make a bold statement like that about anyone when you don't even provide evidence for the argument you are trying to make.


You don't need "evidence" to see who looks to be the stronger teams..... Watch the games... Besides, the "evidence" of these ridiculous computer averages & BCS composite rankings you submitted earlier in this thread is garbage in & of itself. But lets play your game..

* More than 1 of those computer ranking polls has Utah as the 3rd/4th best team in the nation; 1 in particular has them ahead of Texas, Oklahoma & Florida as of now.

* Still another has the SEC's undefeated crimson tide ranked 4th!

* Furthermore, the Harris Interactive, USA today & Coach's Polls are based largely on the same human reasoning i & everyone else uses when watching these games: Within reason, who looks better & most impressive as of right now.

Now tell me, does any of that make any sense to you?

& I'm sure i don't have to tell u that it's just not as simple as Team X beating Team y therefore they're better...that is unless the victor goes on to be undefeated....which is not possible for anyone anymore save for T. Tech in the big 12 this year to this point. A four loss unranked Arkansas team beat LSU last year... & late in the season. Did anybody think Arkansas should be moved into the top 10 much less think they were better than LSU?


This whole BCS crap is a joke, it's only gotten it right like 3 out of 10 years of its existence...scrap it in yesterday & get a real system here in place to settle who's better than who.

bah007
11-11-2008, 04:04 PM
You don't need "evidence" to see who looks to be the stronger teams..... Watch the games... Besides, the "evidence" of these ridiculous computer averages & BCS composite rankings you submitted earlier in this thread is garbage in & of itself. But lets play your game..

* More than 1 of those computer ranking polls has Utah as the 3rd/4th best team in the nation; 1 in particular has them ahead of Texas, Oklahoma & Florida as of now.

* Still another has the SEC's undefeated crimson tide ranked 4th!

* Furthermore, the Harris Interactive, USA today & Coach's Polls are based largely on the same human reasoning i & everyone else uses when watching these games: Within reason, who looks better & most impressive as of right now.

Now tell me, does any of that make any sense to you?

& I'm sure i don't have to tell u that it's just not as simple as Team X beating Team y therefore they're better...that is unless the victor goes on to be undefeated....which is not the case in the big 12 this year. A four loss unranked Arkansas team beat LSU last year... & late in the season. Did anybody think Arkansas should be moved into the top 10 much less think they were better than LSU?


This whole BCS crap is a joke, it's only gotten it right like 3 out of 10 years of its existence...scrap it in yesterday & get a real system here in place to settle who's better than who.

If Team A plays a harder shedule than Team B....plus beats Team B in a head to head matchup on a neutral field....and the teams both finish with the same amount of losses....how does Team B finish the season ranked higher?

The only reason Team B is ranked higher is because they lost earlier in the season. They lost by 10 points.

Team A lost late in the season. They lost on the last play of the game to another good team.

I am a UT fan through and through. I am trying to be unbiased here but I just cannot understand how the Coaches poll has OU higher than UT right now.

It seems as if UT is being penalized for running their gauntlet early in the season and OU gets a bonus for getting almost a full season of experience before running theirs.

I think the reason this discussion has taken the turn it has is because I cannot understand how OU is ranked higher than Texas in any poll RIGHT NOW.

If OU does put a heavy beating on both Tech and Okie St then maybe we can have this discussion again and you will have a better chance of convincing me.

For now, I am astounded and confused that Texas dropped the same amount of spots for losing to Tech that Penn St lost for losing to Iowa.

Yankee_In_TX
11-11-2008, 05:17 PM
Hey bah007 - 3 words - 8 Team Playoff :)




Yay, Matt Jackson was spinning the Texas/Tech national championship scenario tonight.

bah007
11-11-2008, 05:24 PM
Hey bah007 - 3 words - 8 Team Playoff :)




Yay, Matt Jackson was spinning the Texas/Tech national championship scenario tonight.

I like the idea of a playoff, but problems like this still aren't gonna go away.

Let's say you do an eight team playoff with the current BCS top 8:
1. Alabama
2. Texas Tech
3. Texas
4. Florida
5. Oklahoma
6. USC
7. Utah
8. Penn St

In the current system, the top two play for the championship and you have a few teams just outside the top two who feel snubbed.

Let's look at the playoff scenario:

Let's say #8 Penn St loses to #1 Alabama and #7 Utah loses to #2 Texas Tech.

If Boise St and Georgia both dominate their bowl games now they feel snubbed because maybe they should have gotten into the playoff instead of Utah and Penn St.

I like that a playoff gives more teams a shot at the title, but it doesn't really fix the current problems, it just tries to make the margin of error smaller.

bah007
11-11-2008, 05:28 PM
The #1 statement I hear in support of a playoff is to, "let things be decided on the field".

That is never going to happen in college football unless you had a 32 or 64 team playoff, which for the time being, seems unreasonable.

The participants for a playoff would still be chosen by people with a bias or by a poll where the voters don't even watch the games.

Mr teX
11-11-2008, 06:36 PM
If Team A plays a harder shedule than Team B....plus beats Team B in a head to head matchup on a neutral field....and the teams both finish with the same amount of losses....how does Team B finish the season ranked higher?

Not by much. Phil Steele has Texas having the 23rd toughest sched..OU is at 30. In addition to this I could argue that both teams' schedules are about the same considering Kansas has dropped out of the rankings & TCU has surprised. Plus they both get nearly the exact same opponents, the exception being OU not playing Mizzou this year. But if OU runs the table from here on out, they get Mizzou in the big 12 title game which would actually make theirs tougher in the end.

The only reason Team B is ranked higher is because they lost earlier in the season. They lost by 10 points.

Team A lost late in the season. They lost on the last play of the game to another good team.

..& OU is playing better than UT right now...Aside from that, there's no such thing as an impressive loss. You guys lost & u lost late & in your 1st real road test to boot. let's be real..since the mizzou thumping, UT has struggled v OSU & lost to tech. All OU has done since is beat their opponents by an avg. of 27 pts. Sure none of them were anything special, but they've been doing what they're supposed to do...stomp mudholes in inferior opponents. It could mean nothing in that UT just needs to catch its breath while OU takes advantages of a soft part in their schedule; or it could mean everything in that teams have figured UT out & OU found themselves after losing to UT. Heck, u guys let Baylor hang around for a half before finally putting them away.

Don't kid yourself into thinking that it shouldn't/doesn't matter how well you're playing when it comes to these polls. It matters alot when it comes to the human element.... we all saw how Ohio State limped to the finish line last year before LSU promptly put them out of their misery...(sorry Yankee it TX)



I am a UT fan through and through. I am trying to be unbiased here but I just cannot understand how the Coaches poll has OU higher than UT right now.

It seems as if UT is being penalized for running their gauntlet early in the season and OU gets a bonus for getting almost a full season of experience before running theirs.

It's funny, b/c i see it the opposite. Seems like some want to penalize OU for having not played their gauntlet yet. It doesn't matter who they play after us, we beat them so we shouldn't be ranked lower than them under any circumstances. That would be true if the season ended last week...& i say that even if UT still loses to Tech.

I think the reason this discussion has taken the turn it has is because I cannot understand how OU is ranked higher than Texas in any poll RIGHT NOW.

If OU does put a heavy beating on both Tech and Okie St then maybe we can have this discussion again and you will have a better chance of convincing me.

For now, I am astounded and confused that Texas dropped the same amount of spots for losing to Tech that Penn St lost for losing to Iowa.

I felt the same when u guys only dropped 3 after losing to tech when they were a lower ranked team than UT was when OU lost to them in which OU dropped 5. Perfect example of why & how playing impressively boosts rankings & influences the human element.

Koolaid Time
11-11-2008, 06:58 PM
While the NCAA would probabaly make a billion dollars or more in a FBS Championship Playoff, I can see where the schools would have a concern becayse it will extend the season almost to February, cut down time to recruit , etc.

Yankee_In_TX
11-11-2008, 08:12 PM
While the NCAA would probabaly make a billion dollars or more in a FBS Championship Playoff, I can see where the schools would have a concern becayse it will extend the season almost to February, cut down time to recruit , etc.

BS. How? Bowl season is currently what, 5 weeks long? You need 3 weeks for an 8 team playoff.

Koolaid Time
11-11-2008, 08:56 PM
BS. How? Bowl season is currently what, 5 weeks long? You need 3 weeks for an 8 team playoff.

Are you assuming the New Years Bowl games are 1st level of the playoffs?

The Head Coach of the Georgia Bulldogs proposed a playoff system last year that had 10 The winners from Sugar, Rose, Fiesta, Cotton and Orange then play off, with one team getting a bye. That put it out into the thrid weekend of January

Koolaid Time
11-11-2008, 08:59 PM
no message

Yankee_In_TX
11-12-2008, 08:48 AM
8 teams, and you start sooner than Jan. 1.

bah007
11-12-2008, 09:11 AM
I really don't know why everyone is crapping all over the BCS. It's a way better system than what we had before.

Nowadays, teams like Utah get a shot to go to a BCS bowl and earn a huge payday. Before the BCS came around, an undefeated Utah team would be stuck in the Sun Bowl or something like that, and they wouldn't have any more shot at the national title than they do now.

I'm not completely opposed to a playoff, but I have yet to see a scenario that is better than the current system. I'm all ears if you have one...

I think there is a simple fix for the BCS:
You make the computers count for 50% of the formula.
You let the Harris Poll and the Coaches Poll each count for 25% of the formula, PLUS they must make their ballots public every week so they are open to critique.

Mr teX
11-12-2008, 11:53 AM
The BCS is garbage...plain & simple. Yeah it's better than what we had before but that's like saying i'm the tallest midget in the rooom.

Charlie Palillo sums up my thoughts about the BCS: Every major sport has their champion determined by a playoff...... except college football which is ridiculous.

Now, The BCS ranking system can be used to determine the top 8 or however many teams you want in your playoff & would be tremendously effective. I say this b/c 99% of the teams that usually complain about not getting a shot to play in the NC are teams that wind up ranked in the top 10-12. If you're ranked lower than that...you've probably got more than 1 loss & aren't good enough to play for the NC anyway.

It also further opens up the possiblility for the mid-majors to get a real shot at the NC. As it stands now, a team like a Utah & Boise State only climb so far before the human polls & their schedules essentially freeze them out from climbing any further than 7.

Screw the bowls...no one cares about a bush's baked beans bowl featuring a 6-6 Iowa state & 7-5 Indiana. To date there are like 25 meaningless bowls......& growing.

bah007
11-12-2008, 01:28 PM
The BCS is garbage...plain & simple. Yeah it's better than what we had before but that's like saying i'm the tallest midget in the rooom.

Charlie Palillo sums up my thoughts about the BCS: Every major sport has their champion determined by a playoff...... except college football which is ridiculous.

Now, The BCS ranking system can be used to determine the top 8 or however many teams you want in your playoff & would be tremendously effective. I say this b/c 99% of the teams that usually complain about not getting a shot to play in the NC are teams that wind up ranked in the top 10-12. If you're ranked lower than that...you've probably got more than 1 loss & aren't good enough to play for the NC anyway.

It also further opens up the possiblility for the mid-majors to get a real shot at the NC. As it stands now, a team like a Utah & Boise State only climb so far before the human polls & their schedules essentially freeze them out from climbing any further than 7.

Screw the bowls...no one cares about a bush's baked beans bowl featuring a 6-6 Iowa state & 7-5 Indiana. To date there are like 25 meaningless bowls......& growing.

The BCS is garbage.....yet you want it to determine who gets into the playoffs?

Kinda like right now how it determines who gets into the BCS bowls and national championship?

Yankee_In_TX
11-12-2008, 03:03 PM
The BCS is garbage.....yet you want it to determine who gets into the playoffs?

Kinda like right now how it determines who gets into the BCS bowls and national championship?

I'm open to another system. But they're SO slow to change...

At least you know with an 8 team playoff that the top 4 teams in college football will get in. Maybe 6 or 7, if you're lucky.

Mr teX
11-13-2008, 01:23 PM
The BCS is garbage.....yet you want it to determine who gets into the playoffs?

Kinda like right now how it determines who gets into the BCS bowls and national championship?

It is garbage when used by itself...but it could still b used to determine the top 10 or so teams b/c the polls usually due have the same top 10 or so teams, just in different slots.

Aside from all its other crap, The fundamental reason it's not effective now is b/c the margin for potential error is so small & unless the teams seperate themselves during the regular season (usually unlikely) all it does is give way to the human element & things teams can't control (schedule, bad calls etc). There are only 2 slots for the NC & the human element in the polls alone can influence the BCS rankings enough to potentially propel 1 team over another equally deserving team in to 1 of those 2.

If u go to a tournament stlye format & have only a certain number of teams that will be able to get in that tournament, the margin for error is broadened thus the main thing that is screwing with the polls..... the human element, plays less of a factor in who goes to the NC. Suddenly a team moving from #4 to #1 doesn't matter as much b/c as long as you're in that top whatever, you're guaranteed to get a shot @ the NC.

The champ is decided on the field, you get match ups that don't or rarely happen & it gives every conference a better chance at actually competing for the NC instead of trying to appease them by giving them BCS bowl bids & calling them "BCS busters".

bah007
11-13-2008, 01:36 PM
It is garbage when used by itself...but it could still b used to determine the top 10 or so teams b/c the polls usually due have the same top 10 or so teams, just in different slots.

Aside from all its other crap, The fundamental reason it's not effective now is b/c the margin for potential error is so small & unless the teams seperate themselves during the regular season (usually unlikely) all it does is give way to the human element & things teams can't control (schedule, bad calls etc). There are only 2 slots for the NC & the human element in the polls alone can influence the BCS rankings enough to potentially propel 1 team over another equally deserving team in to 1 of those 2.

If u go to a tournament stlye format & have only a certain number of teams that will be able to get in that tournament, the margin for error is broadened thus the main thing that is screwing with the polls..... the human element, plays less of a factor in who goes to the NC. Suddenly a team moving from #4 to #1 doesn't matter as much b/c as long as you're in that top whatever, you're guaranteed to get a shot @ the NC.

The champ is decided on the field, you get match ups that don't or rarely happen & it gives every conference a better chance at actually competing for the NC instead of trying to appease them by giving them BCS bowl bids & calling them "BCS busters".

All good points.

I would love a playoff if it is effective. I just don't want a playoff for the sake of a playoff. It needs to be something that will work for Div-1A football.

Because if you make a playoff and take away these lower tier bowl games, teams like Baylor, Northern Illinois, & UCF (just examples) have nothing to play for. They know their only shot most years is low-tier bowls.

I like that the FBS divison gives most every team with a winning record a chance to call their season a success. It's a tradition that no other sport has.

Mr teX
11-13-2008, 03:54 PM
All good points.

I would love a playoff if it is effective. I just don't want a playoff for the sake of a playoff. It needs to be something that will work for Div-1A football.

Because if you make a playoff and take away these lower tier bowl games, teams like Baylor, Northern Illinois, & UCF (just examples) have nothing to play for. They know their only shot most years is low-tier bowls.

I like that the FBS divison gives most every team with a winning record a chance to call their season a success. It's a tradition that no other sport has.

Yeah, it'd be cool if a sponsor willing to shell out the cash still wanted to host a bowl game with teams out of the conferences of its choosing...That's essentially what the NIT is these days in college basketball.

Me personally, i don't pay attn. to any of the lower tier bowls unless my alma mater (U of H) is playing in 1. But they do have use. Aside from what you stated, they also provide exposure to those "diamond in the rough" guys that they otherwise wouldn't get as all of college football's most avid fans & draft niks are likely watching.

I'd venture to say that some players have at least gotten invitations to the NFL scouting combine just b/c of what they did in a bowl game.

Wolf
11-14-2008, 12:28 PM
http://thefatherlife.com/testnewsite/2008/11/11/nfl-power-rankings-week-11/

Hey Tech in number 26 in the NFL rankings