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utahmark
10-26-2008, 10:13 PM
we win and look good so naturally the board is dead. i swear there are some posters on this board who want us to look bad so they will have something to comlpain about.

ChrisG
10-26-2008, 10:15 PM
dont worry they will find something

:fans:

DiehardChris
10-26-2008, 10:29 PM
I think there are a lot of fans who won't buy in until we beat a good team. The Vikings aren't great, but to beat them on the road (when we're such a horrible road team) would bring'em out of the woodwork I guarantee you.

I'm so looking forward to the next game. This was a great confidence builder against a bad team... now they take that on the road against an okay team that will be favored to beat them. I smell an upset.

Leahmic223
10-26-2008, 10:47 PM
I think there are a lot of fans who won't buy in until we beat a good team. The Vikings aren't great, but to beat them on the road (when we're such a horrible road team) would bring'em out of the woodwork I guarantee you.

I'm so looking forward to the next game. This was a great confidence builder against a bad team... now they take that on the road against an okay team that will be favored to beat them. I smell an upset.

yea... I wasn't on here much during the Lions week because I expected us to beat them. A lot of people expected us to beat these teams. No one is going to buy in until we play like this against a team above our at our level. I was happy that we beat these two teams...but for some reason all I can think about is that we should have beat the Jags and the Colts :( I know that is way in the past...just hard as a fan to knowing what could have been.

cuppacoffee
10-26-2008, 10:54 PM
we win and look good so naturally the board is dead. i swear there are some posters on this board who want us to look bad so they will have something to comlpain about.


I wish that people who decide to post messages in public view, taking others to task, would learn to use spell check.

Learning when to use capitalization would be a plus.


Happy now?...:D

:jk: with you.

:coffee:

The1ApplePie
10-26-2008, 10:56 PM
Pretty much two beatings in a row against the worst two teams in football isn't much to galvanize the fan base. The Dolphins game was a good one but these were both glorified scrimages.

Probably these two wins only really accomplished costing the Texans Brian Orakpo

Hervoyel
10-26-2008, 10:58 PM
we win and look good so naturally the board is dead. i swear there are some posters on this board who want us to look bad so they will have something to comlpain about.


I don't know, am I a "hater"?

Just checking because everyone has a slightly different version of what makes a hater. To some people I am and to others I'm not. Anyone who really thinks that Richard Smith's defense turned a meaningful corner today could probably classify me as a hater if I started writing about that. I won't though becuase I'm in a good mood right now. The team finally put a bad team down and kept them there. That was a lot of fun and so I see no reason to dwell on what I saw that was wrong today (and yes, there were things wrong). Instead I'm just going to enjoy all the stuff that went right.

DiehardChris
10-26-2008, 11:01 PM
I don't know, am I a "hater"?

Just checking because everyone has a slightly different version of what makes a hater. To some people I am and to others I'm not. Anyone who really thinks that Richard Smith's defense turned a meaningful corner today could probably classify me as a hater if I started writing about it but I'm in a good mood right now because the team finally put a bad team down and kept them there.

I guess I'm a hater too, because I'm totally with you. Nobody roots for this team harder than I do - but like you said - these are teams they SHOULD beat. Now - if they win on the road against the Vikings? Sheeeeeeeeit - that will have me jumping out of my skin!

Runner
10-26-2008, 11:11 PM
I'd guess I'm a hater. I'm just ecstatic right now that the Texans handled two of the worst teams in the league. One of them convincingly.

Seriously, this is a step in the right direction - the Texans have won three in a row against one team around their level and two they should have beaten. In years past the team would have lost at least one of those games. The proof will be in how they handle average and above average teams, as other posters have already stated.

I wish that people who decide to post messages in public view, taking others to task, would learn to use spell check.

Learning when to use capitalization would be a plus.


Happy now?...:D

:jk: with you.

:coffee:


This comment is, or could easily have been, directed at me. I don't correct the spelling of people who disagree with me. I do for those who call others dolts and imbeciles because those other people disagree with their own inflated, self-important opinions. There's a difference.

Corrosion
10-26-2008, 11:46 PM
dont worry they will find something

:fans:

If I have one complaint from todays game its the 57% third down conversion rate for the Bungles.


Other than that , no complaints.

Norg
10-27-2008, 12:17 AM
most other teams dont hate the texans IMO we are one of the most well liked fans around the league and team and one of the most ignored

the only fans that really kinda hate us are

Titans
cowboys and saints


thats about it really

its not like we are the philly or boston of the NFL LOL

utahmark
10-27-2008, 12:19 AM
i wasnt talking about any of you guys. there are a couple of guys inparticular, but mainly just the fact that after wins there are less people here posting than after a loss. guess just human nature.

utahmark
10-27-2008, 12:25 AM
I wish that people who decide to post messages in public view, taking others to task, would learn to use spell check.

Learning when to use capitalization would be a plus.


Happy now?...:D

:jk: with you.

:coffee:

is there a spell check on here? you will just have to deal with the capitalization, cause i refuse. i would use spell check if you will point me to it.

cuppacoffee
10-27-2008, 12:52 AM
I'd guess I'm a hater. I'm just ecstatic right now that the Texans handled two of the worst teams in the league. One of them convincingly.

Seriously, this is a step in the right direction - the Texans have won three in a row against one team around their level and two they should have beaten. In years past the team would have lost at least one of those games. The proof will be in how they handle average and above average teams, as other posters have already stated.




This comment is, or could easily have been, directed at me. I don't correct the spelling of people who disagree with me. I do for those who call others dolts and imbeciles because those other people disagree with their own inflated, self-important opinions. There's a difference.

Runner...Not sure what you mean by this.

I directed no comment toward you...I called no one a dolt or imbecile...I never have, never will.

I don't recall correcting the spelling in any of your posts', or any other post.

I added a j/k smilie so markbeth wouldn't take offense and would realize it was all in good fun.

I don't see in my post where I disagreed with anyone....or expressed an inflated, self-important opinion, or any other type of opinion.

If I misinterpreted your response I apologize in advance.


:coffee:

cuppacoffee
10-27-2008, 01:07 AM
is there a spell check on here? you will just have to deal with the capitalization, cause i refuse. i would use spell check if you will point me to it.

So glad to see you took the post in the manner it was intended.

You were looking for all the complainers...I couldn't complain about the game so I jokingly complained about your spelling. I think others might have taken umbrage to it.

I'm not a stickler for spelling or punctuation in other posters comments.

I try to use correct spelling and punctuation in deference to the late Sister Evangelist who was my English teacher in HS. Just a personal thing.

Thanks for understanding.


:coffee:

HJam72
10-27-2008, 01:08 AM
Yuo imbisals! :)

cuppacoffee
10-27-2008, 01:14 AM
Yuo imbisals! :)

He plays basketball...this is a football forum. :D

:coffee:

ObsiWan
10-27-2008, 01:49 AM
I don't know, am I a "hater"?

Just checking because everyone has a slightly different version of what makes a hater. To some people I am and to others I'm not. Anyone who really thinks that Richard Smith's defense turned a meaningful corner today could probably classify me as a hater if I started writing about that. I won't though becuase I'm in a good mood right now. The team finally put a bad team down and kept them there. That was a lot of fun and so I see no reason to dwell on what I saw that was wrong today (and yes, there were things wrong). Instead I'm just going to enjoy all the stuff that went right.

I agree. I'm going to enjoy this for a day or so. Maybe watch it a couple more of times....
:D
But by Weds I'll start fretting about going on the road to Adrian Peterson and Minnesota.

GlassHalfFull
10-27-2008, 04:24 AM
I agree. I'm going to enjoy this for a day or so. Maybe watch it a couple more of times....
:D
But by Weds I'll start fretting about going on the road to Adrian Peterson and Minnesota.

I will second this comment.

Plus, speaking for the people who went to the game, we are tired. Four tailgates/games in four weeks took it out of us. We are happy, just tired. I got on last night looked around, read some threads and went to bed at 8:30. Which I am now paying for by being up at 4:30. :aggressive:

Honoring Earl 34
10-27-2008, 06:51 AM
I think if you look at the big picture ... which is playoffs ... then we have a ways to go . I'm happy we've won but as mentioned in other post we beat the teams we should have beaten . Ultimate giddyness cannot be achieved because of the way we blew the game before the streak and we'll have to steal a few games to get that back .

I'm clinging to 6-9 the rest of the season to put us at 9-7 for the year .

Tedc
10-27-2008, 07:06 AM
I'm clinging to 6-9 the rest of the season to put us at 9-7 for the year .

A little early for ya?

Seņor Stan
10-27-2008, 07:14 AM
I'm not a stickler for spelling or punctuation in other posters comments.

I try to use correct spelling and punctuation in deference to the late Sister Evangelist who was my English teacher in HS. Just a personal thing.

Thanks for understanding.


:coffee:

Did she look something like this?

http://sunversuswind.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/nun-with-ruler.jpg

eriadoc
10-27-2008, 07:25 AM
Seven years into this thing, there are about two types of posters left here: true Texans fans, and Titans trolls. Also the occasional weekly opponent fan, I guess. At any rate, there are no "haters", just a bunch of fans that love this team, and as such, have been terribly frustrated at the poor play for so long.

I posted on another thread that this is exactly the win I've been waiting for all these years - one where we beat the team we're supposed to beat convincingly, and with no comeback drama. So I'm giddy this week.

eriadoc
10-27-2008, 07:29 AM
is there a spell check on here? you will just have to deal with the capitalization, cause i refuse. i would use spell check if you will point me to it.

Mozilla has a built-in spell checker.

Honoring Earl 34
10-27-2008, 07:58 AM
A little early for ya?

What ? I've taken off my shoes to check my math ... 6+3 = 9 and 4+3 = 7 .

HJam72
10-27-2008, 08:08 AM
What ? I've taken off my shoes to check my math ... 6+3 = 9 and 4+3 = 7 .

Well, now we know you have at least 9 toes.

HoustonFrog
10-27-2008, 08:32 AM
I agree with the original poster though. It does get quiet when there is no complaining. However to follow up on Herv's post...talking football and looking for improvement or being disappointed in something is not hating. Hating is completely and irrationally going overboard..like the QB thing...and then having nothing to say until something goes wrong again and you can bring it back up. It's cheering for yourself to be right instead of cheering for the team just to win and get it done.

Twitch-Houston
10-27-2008, 08:40 AM
I agree with the original poster though. It does get quiet when there is no complaining. However to follow up on Herv's post...talking football and looking for improvement or being disappointed in something is not hating. Hating is completely and irrationally going overboard..like the QB thing...and then having nothing to say until something goes wrong again and you can bring it back up. It's cheering for yourself to be right instead of cheering for the team just to win and get it done.

I agree. I've been MIA from the board due to being extremely busy, but I'm in bed with the flu and figured I'd see what was going on with the board. I've been to every home game except yesterday's game. (was supposed to be there, but too sick) It was the game I was waiting for. Finally a game where you're stomach isn't tight waiting for something to go wrong. I never felt like we'd blow that game which was a foreign (and great) feeling.

I really hope this is a turning point for the team. It's tough being a Texan's fan down here in Corpus. We're surrounded by Cowgirl fans. Course they can't really say much this season. :texflag:

Tedc
10-27-2008, 08:47 AM
What ? I've taken off my shoes to check my math ... 6+3 = 9 and 4+3 = 7 .

This is the only problem I had understanding.


I'm clinging to 6-9 the rest of the season.........


Maybe it is just too early for me but I didn't think we had 15 games left in the rest of the season.:tiphat:

beerlover
10-27-2008, 09:00 AM
Texans fans are like any other fans- they want everything & they want it now.

that was not a great defensive performance, more of a bend but don't break effort but they are showing improvement, still I expect "fire Richard Smith" fans to voice their displeasure :aggressive:

bigbrewster2000
10-27-2008, 09:06 AM
I think if you look at the big picture ... which is playoffs ... then we have a ways to go . I'm happy we've won but as mentioned in other post we beat the teams we should have beaten . Ultimate giddyness cannot be achieved because of the way we blew the game before the streak and we'll have to steal a few games to get that back .

I'm clinging to 6 of 9 the rest of the season to put us at 9-7 for the year .

Fixed it for ya to stop the cofusion. :)

GP
10-27-2008, 09:12 AM
It's times like this that I wish we could put an asterisk beside the past three wins.

*3-4

*The three wins came against teams with a combined record of 2-17, and the two wins on those teams was actually by one team (Dolphins). We beat two teams who were 0-7 and 0-6.

LOL. This board feels like a small Texas town where the high school goes winless for seven weeks, then wins a game and the whole town is throwing a parade and "all is well again"...until the team faces a REAL opponent in the next game.

Go ahead and delude yourselves all you want after we plastered a bottom-of-the-barrell team. It's fun to watch the mood swings on here. 7 years of this team has taught me to laugh about the losses and to half-chuckle about the wins.

Porky
10-27-2008, 09:22 AM
No complaints from me about yesterday. Loved every second of it. I have been waiting for them to get an opponent on the mat, and then stomp on their throat. I have been waiting to see a killer instinct in this team, and that's what I got. Finally!

Were their nits to pick. Sure. And yes, Richard Smith still sucks. But, folks we just witnessed a 35-6 beatdown, start to finish, where all cylinders were hitting. Why complain?

The Texans in my view have had an almost linear line up all year from Pittsburg right on thru to Cinci. To me it is clear they have turned a corner. Now, is there better things to come around the corner, or is there a mack truck we can't see yet waiting to run us over. I really think the Minn game will be very, very, telling.

I have no doubt that the O will put up some points. But, will the D give up 30+ too, and we lose one like Jax? Or has the D turned some kind of corner to average (up from terribly awful stinkeroo). If this D is just avg or just not embarrasing our O is good enough to carry this team to victories very often.

This team is one coin flip and a Rosencopter away from sitting at 5-2 this morning. I know.... if if's and but's were candy and nuts....but the encouraging thing is that would not be a fluky 5-2. This is clearly the best team they have had, and we are one good offseason and one DC firing away from having a respectable D, and then it's Katy bar the door. I'm going on record now - I expect 2009 to be a huge season for this team. :texflag:

eriadoc
10-27-2008, 09:26 AM
It's times like this that I wish we could put an asterisk beside the past three wins.

*3-4

*The three wins came against teams with a combined record of 2-17, and the two wins on those teams was actually by one team (Dolphins). We beat two teams who were 0-7 and 0-6.

LOL. This board feels like a small Texas town where the high school goes winless for seven weeks, then wins a game and the whole town is throwing a parade and "all is well again"...until the team faces a REAL opponent in the next game.

Go ahead and delude yourselves all you want after we plastered a bottom-of-the-barrell team. It's fun to watch the mood swings on here. 7 years of this team has taught me to laugh about the losses and to half-chuckle about the wins.

I think you're missing the point about why this win was so great. We were supposed to win, and we did. And we did it convincingly, unlike the Dolphins win. We didn't leave the door cracked for them to mount a comeback, like we did with the Lions, And we played great football for 60 full minutes, like we were supposed to.

Sure, we're probably not good enough yet to split 10 games with the likes of the Steelers and Giants, but maybe we're no longer bad enough to choke up games that we should win.

HoustonFrog
10-27-2008, 09:26 AM
It's times like this that I wish we could put an asterisk beside the past three wins.

*3-4

*The three wins came against teams with a combined record of 2-17, and the two wins on those teams was actually by one team (Dolphins). We beat two teams who were 0-7 and 0-6.

LOL. This board feels like a small Texas town where the high school goes winless for seven weeks, then wins a game and the whole town is throwing a parade and "all is well again"...until the team faces a REAL opponent in the next game.

Go ahead and delude yourselves all you want after we plastered a bottom-of-the-barrell team. It's fun to watch the mood swings on here. 7 years of this team has taught me to laugh about the losses and to half-chuckle about the wins.

The highs and lows shouldn't be so extreme BUT when was the last time the Texans went 4 quarters of just plastering a team..bad or not?There was no slip up here. Just throat on the neck. I actually thought they might lose this one just because the Bengals played other good teams close and they aren't lacking in talent. They are 0-8 though now. Again, this will all change the minute Schaub throws one interception and nutcases call for Sage again. It never ends here.

GP
10-27-2008, 09:28 AM
No complaints from me about yesterday. Loved every second of it. I have been waiting for them to get an opponent on the mat, and then stomp on their throat. I have been waiting to see a killer instinct in this team, and that's what I got. Finally!

Were their nits to pick. Sure. And yes, Richard Smith still sucks. But, folks we just witnessed a 35-6 beatdown, start to finish, where all cylinders were hitting. Why complain?

The Texans in my view have had an almost linear line up all year from Pittsburg right on thru to Cinci. To me it is clear they have turned a corner. Now, is there better things to come around the corner, or is there a mack truck we can't see yet waiting to run us over. I really think the Minn game will be very, very, telling.

I have no doubt that the O will put up some points. But, will the D give up 30+ too, and we lose one like Jax? Or has the D turned some kind of corner to average (up from terribly awful stinkeroo). If this D is just avg or just not embarrasing our O is good enough to carry this team to victories very often.

This team is one coin flip and a Rosencopter away from sitting at 5-2 this morning. I know.... if if's and but's were candy and nuts....but the encouraging thing is that would not be a fluky 5-2. This is clearly the best team they have had, and we are one good offseason and one DC firing away from having a respectable D, and then it's Katy bar the door. I'm going on record now - I expect 2009 to be a huge season for this team. :texflag:

The parts I bolded (above) is exactly why I can't get so hyped up over the past three wins. We won. Against three BAD teams. Big whoop.

Our defense has been awful, with about 90% of it due to Richard Smith and his bend-but-don't-break defense. When Obama plasters McCain next week, let's all see what happens when you try the bend-but-don't-break philosophy in other areas of life, such as politics. McCain and Richard Smith are soul mates. We might be the only team whose D-coordinator implements a prevent defense from the very start of the game.

HOU-TEX
10-27-2008, 09:38 AM
The parts I bolded (above) is exactly why I can't get so hyped up over the past three wins. We won. Against three BAD teams. Big whoop.
Our defense has been awful, with about 90% of it due to Richard Smith and his bend-but-don't-break defense. When Obama plasters McCain next week, let's all see what happens when you try the bend-but-don't-break philosophy in other areas of life, such as politics. McCain and Richard Smith are soul mates. We might be the only team whose D-coordinator implements a prevent defense from the very start of the game.

Miami did just beat Buffalo yesterday. I don't think they're that bad. :thinking:

beerlover
10-27-2008, 09:59 AM
The parts I bolded (above) is exactly why I can't get so hyped up over the past three wins. We won. Against three BAD teams. Big whoop.

Our defense has been awful, with about 90% of it due to Richard Smith and his bend-but-don't-break defense. When Obama plasters McCain next week, let's all see what happens when you try the bend-but-don't-break philosophy in other areas of life, such as politics. McCain and Richard Smith are soul mates. We might be the only team whose D-coordinator implements a prevent defense from the very start of the game.

now thats a hater, well done :smiliedance:

jerek
10-27-2008, 10:03 AM
The team finally put a bad team down and kept them there.

That was significant. We were better than the Bengals and we beat them convincingly. That is what good teams do: take care of bad teams.

Thus it was an enjoyable W but as to the "haters" I barely post in this section any way, so I'm pretty sure I don't qualify. :thisbig:

HoustonFrog
10-27-2008, 10:05 AM
The parts I bolded (above) is exactly why I can't get so hyped up over the past three wins. We won. Against three BAD teams. Big whoop.

Our defense has been awful, with about 90% of it due to Richard Smith and his bend-but-don't-break defense. When Obama plasters McCain next week, let's all see what happens when you try the bend-but-don't-break philosophy in other areas of life, such as politics. McCain and Richard Smith are soul mates. We might be the only team whose D-coordinator implements a prevent defense from the very start of the game.

http://i37.tinypic.com/2hwk049.jpg

Porky
10-27-2008, 10:10 AM
The parts I bolded (above) is exactly why I can't get so hyped up over the past three wins. We won. Against three BAD teams. Big whoop.

Our defense has been awful, with about 90% of it due to Richard Smith and his bend-but-don't-break defense. When Obama plasters McCain next week, let's all see what happens when you try the bend-but-don't-break philosophy in other areas of life, such as politics. McCain and Richard Smith are soul mates. We might be the only team whose D-coordinator implements a prevent defense from the very start of the game.

Big whoop? When was the last time we beat three teams in a row? Any three teams? When was the last time we beat a team by 29? Any team? When was the last time our QB had a 144 QB rating in a game against any team?

I'm not saying we need a parade down main street, but big whoop? Big whoop indeed.

MojoMan
10-27-2008, 10:22 AM
I am very excited about this team, and their prospects for the rest of this season.

However, they need to work on their running game. Matt Schaub's passing has been impressive, but at the end of the day, a consistent, reliable ground game is what it takes to be a true contender.

beerlover
10-27-2008, 10:34 AM
I am very excited about this team, and their prospects for the rest of this season.

However, they need to work on their running game. Matt Schaub's passing has been impressive, but at the end of the day, a consistent, reliable ground game is what it takes to be a true contender.

the Vikings rush defense is ranked #2 in the NFL while the Bengals rank #27th. so would rushing for over 100 yards be acceptable (109 against Cincy)?

MojoMan
10-27-2008, 10:38 AM
the Vikings rush defense is ranked #2 in the NFL while the Bengals rank #27th. so would rushing for over 100 yards be acceptable (109 against Cincy)?

If the Texans get over 100 yards rushing against the #2 rush defense in the NFL, that would be good. That is based on the assumption that all of the Vikings defensive players are ruled eligible to play.

Yankee_In_TX
10-27-2008, 10:39 AM
I don't know, am I a "hater"?

Just checking because everyone has a slightly different version of what makes a hater. To some people I am and to others I'm not. Anyone who really thinks that Richard Smith's defense turned a meaningful corner today could probably classify me as a hater if I started writing about that. I won't though becuase I'm in a good mood right now. The team finally put a bad team down and kept them there. That was a lot of fun and so I see no reason to dwell on what I saw that was wrong today (and yes, there were things wrong). Instead I'm just going to enjoy all the stuff that went right.

I say haters are those who wear Titans jerseys into Reliant (except when we play the Titans and they are Titans fans, then they're just poor decision makers).

Second Honeymoon
10-27-2008, 10:49 AM
I may not be a huge fan of Kubiak, but he deserves huge huge props for keeping the team together after the Indy debacle. That was a tough one to swallow and for us to follow that up with an unprecedented 3 wins in a row is a badge of honor irregardless of the level of competition.

the greatest thing is how no one is making a big deal about 3 win a row and that speaks volumes. If they can keep it going there are still some winnable games especially the way the team is putting points on the board on a weekly basis.

it was also really great to see Dunta on the sideline smiling and being with his teammates. you can tell they all really look up to the guy and respect him. You can just see the love Dunta has for the game and how much he wants to win. he is the closest thing we have ever had to a leader. Matt is doing a good job of trying to be that leader but we need to see it against a top team before he is truly validated...and that day may come before you know it.

We gotta beat the Colts on the road and end their season. We need to take everything one game at a time, but that is the one that needs to be circled. They are wounded and we need to drive a stake into their heart. It's gonna be tough for us to make a playoff run barring a 7-2 finish, so lets just make sure we give some teams some payback.

Beat Titans in Reliant
Beat Colts in Indy and end their freaking season

gtexan02
10-27-2008, 10:52 AM
I sometimes think many of the board members here would find a way to be disapointed with any team. Even if we 16-0, if we left some yards on the field, they'd fine the time to complain about it. Theres just no pleasing some people. So enjoy the wins while they come and ignore the people trying to "bring us back to reality"

Texan_Bill
10-27-2008, 10:54 AM
I sometimes think many of the board members here would find a way to be disapointed with any team. Even if we 16-0, if we left some yards on the field, they'd fine the time to complain about it. Theres just no pleasing some people. So enjoy the wins while they come and ignore the people trying to "bring us back to reality"

I was kind of upset that one of Kris Brown's 5 extra points was not down the middle... ;)

Honoring Earl 34
10-27-2008, 11:00 AM
I may not be a huge fan of Kubiak, but he deserves huge huge props for keeping the team together after the Indy debacle. That was a tough one to swallow and for us to follow that up with an unprecedented 3 wins in a row is a badge of honor irregardless of the level of competition.

the greatest thing is how no one is making a big deal about 3 win a row and that speaks volumes. If they can keep it going there are still some winnable games especially the way the team is putting points on the board on a weekly basis.

it was also really great to see Dunta on the sideline smiling and being with his teammates. you can tell they all really look up to the guy and respect him. You can just see the love Dunta has for the game and how much he wants to win. he is the closest thing we have ever had to a leader. Matt is doing a good job of trying to be that leader but we need to see it against a top team before he is truly validated...and that day may come before you know it.

We gotta beat the Colts on the road and end their season. We need to take everything one game at a time, but that is the one that needs to be circled. They are wounded and we need to drive a stake into their heart. It's gonna be tough for us to make a playoff run barring a 7-2 finish, so lets just make sure we give some teams some payback.

Beat Titans in Reliant
Beat Colts in Indy and end their freaking season

Yep ... I thought the ship was sinking when Matt threw the ints. against the Dolphins . I had to leave and when I got back in my car my son and I were expecting the Dolphins to have won but it was'nt that way . I was giddy cause I TVoed it .

Specnatz
10-27-2008, 11:12 AM
I sometimes think many of the board members here would find a way to be disappointed with any team. Even if we 16-0, if we left some yards on the field, they'd fine the time to complain about it. Theres just no pleasing some people. So enjoy the wins while they come and ignore the people trying to "bring us back to reality"

There is a very pessimistic view around here. Especially after the win over the Lions.

I would not have created this so soon after a win but I sorta understand the sentiment.

BuffaloglennTX
10-27-2008, 11:23 AM
It's times like this that I wish we could put an asterisk beside the past three wins.

*3-4

*The three wins came against teams with a combined record of 2-17, and the two wins on those teams was actually by one team (Dolphins). We beat two teams who were 0-7 and 0-6.

LOL. This board feels like a small Texas town where the high school goes winless for seven weeks, then wins a game and the whole town is throwing a parade and "all is well again"...until the team faces a REAL opponent in the next game.

Go ahead and delude yourselves all you want after we plastered a bottom-of-the-barrell team. It's fun to watch the mood swings on here. 7 years of this team has taught me to laugh about the losses and to half-chuckle about the wins.

And by your logic we can also add asterisks for the game in Jax that we lost because of a coin flip in overtime and the Indy game that we were ahead by two scores with four minutes to play, the ball, and a Rosencopter fueled up and ready to fly.

Whhoooooohooooo, three in a row baby! Go Texans. :specnatz:

cuppacoffee
10-27-2008, 11:27 AM
No complaints from me about yesterday. Loved every second of it. I have been waiting for them to get an opponent on the mat, and then stomp on their throat. I have been waiting to see a killer instinct in this team, and that's what I got. Finally!

Were their nits to pick. Sure. And yes, Richard Smith still sucks. But, folks we just witnessed a 35-6 beatdown, start to finish, where all cylinders were hitting. Why complain?

The Texans in my view have had an almost linear line up all year from Pittsburg right on thru to Cinci. To me it is clear they have turned a corner. Now, is there better things to come around the corner, or is there a mack truck we can't see yet waiting to run us over. I really think the Minn game will be very, very, telling.

I have no doubt that the O will put up some points. But, will the D give up 30+ too, and we lose one like Jax? Or has the D turned some kind of corner to average (up from terribly awful stinkeroo). If this D is just avg or just not embarrasing our O is good enough to carry this team to victories very often.

This team is one coin flip and a Rosencopter away from sitting at 5-2 this morning. I know.... if if's and but's were candy and nuts....but the encouraging thing is that would not be a fluky 5-2. This is clearly the best team they have had, and we are one good offseason and one DC firing away from having a respectable D, and then it's Katy bar the door. I'm going on record now - I expect 2009 to be a huge season for this team. :texflag:


Must spread rep...hate that message.

I agree with you porky...why would any Texan fan want to throw cold water on this win.

I watched the first half and was a little worried...then visitors came, so I turned off the tv and I missed the second half..:mad:

..I could not believe it when I saw the final score.

Next time my visitors will watch the game with me or they can go home.


:coffee:

ChampionTexan
10-27-2008, 11:33 AM
There seems to be a reality for many folks on this board that every loss counts, and there are no good losses, but wins are only to be savored if they come "The right way" against "The right team".

I am a football fan for a singular and purely self serving reason - because it has the potential to bring me great enjoyment. When those opportunities come along, I try to make the most of them. I don't look at wins like yesterday and start believing we're a shoe-in for the playoffs. I don't look at wins like yesterday and say that our defensive problems are fixed. I don't look at wins like yesterday and believe there aren't weaknesses to be addressed. But I simply won't wait a few weeks and retroactively enjoy myself if they go well, but realize that I was miserable for the past few weeks if they don't.

Every one's entitled to be a fan in their own way. I honestly don't understand why people would take something like sports and football, and make it appear nothing more than a way to gripe and ***** unless and until some arbitrary measure of a teams quality is met or surpassed. Those folks probably don't understand me either.

Oh well, until I find something better, I'll just continue to choose to enjoy the crap out of the wins, and lament the losses while hoping for better the next time.

Texecutioner
10-27-2008, 11:38 AM
Great win, the game was a lot of fun. Nice to see 3 straight wins. The crazy part is that it should be 5 straight wins. I don't think our defensive problems are over one bit, but I am stoked to see the offense still rolling like it has. If we have to be a team with a great offense to win games, then that is fine by me.

That was a fantastic run by Slaton to end the game the way he shifted back and forth to get inside the end zone. He fought hard to get the TD on that play. It was great to see it from the Bullpen. I still haven't gotten to see it on a highlight though. That was my favorite play of the game.

Now it's time to test some of these better teams and see if the Texans can still keep this winning streak going.

spurstexanstros
10-27-2008, 07:33 PM
I am stoked... I will celebrate more this week cause I just turned in my thesis...wahoooo

ATXtexanfan
10-27-2008, 07:44 PM
as for the haters, we're all texans fans. we look forward to the games and EXPECT to win. when we lose, we look for therapy ( here ). three wins in a row and the board is quiet because everyone is happy. some of us have wives, etc that dont care as much about the texans. this is a place to get stuff of your chest. haters of haters is wierd.

Texecutioner
10-27-2008, 08:06 PM
as for the haters, we're all texans fans. we look forward to the games and EXPECT to win. when we lose, we look for therapy ( here ). three wins in a row and the board is quiet because everyone is happy. some of us have wives, etc that dont care as much about the texans. this is a place to get stuff of your chest. haters of haters is wierd.

Ha ha ha! Good post man! I think everyone is happy about the win. Our best win ever. Yesterday while I was at the game I was telling my buddy that this is the biggest win that we had ever seen at a game where we attended. I didn't realize that it was the biggest win in our history of a franchise.

There are still things to evaluate though and this team is not near perfect. The D still has a lot of problems and I'm still not sold on Kubiak as our head coach, but I like what I'm seeing with this offense a lot. Our running game is moving and Andre is dominating. Walter is a true #2 WR and Daniels is doing his thing. I was always said that if we're not going to have a great team, I would at least like to see a team that has some explosiveness on offense and some big plays. We are getting that and it should continue.

spurstexanstros
10-28-2008, 09:14 AM
Ha ha ha! Good post man! I think everyone is happy about the win. Our best win ever. Yesterday while I was at the game I was telling my buddy that this is the biggest win that we had ever seen at a game where we attended. I didn't realize that it was the biggest win in our history of a franchise.

There are still things to evaluate though and this team is not near perfect. The D still has a lot of problems and I'm still not sold on Kubiak as our head coach, but I like what I'm seeing with this offense a lot. Our running game is moving and Andre is dominating. Walter is a true #2 WR and Daniels is doing his thing. I was always said that if we're not going to have a great team, I would at least like to see a team that has some explosiveness on offense and some big plays. We are getting that and it should continue.

Next week will be the biggest win in franchise history.

Honoring Earl 34
10-28-2008, 09:20 AM
Next week will be the biggest win in franchise history.

Yep ... it's truly exciting to be in this situation . I think we'll see if they've learned how to win because I suspect this game will be close at the end .

BigBull17
10-28-2008, 11:18 AM
Big whoop? When was the last time we beat three teams in a row? Any three teams? When was the last time we beat a team by 29? Any team? When was the last time our QB had a 144 QB rating in a game against any team?

I'm not saying we need a parade down main street, but big whoop? Big whoop indeed.

Thank you. Im tired of people who sit here and say " winning is all that matters" then say it doesnt count cause "we got lucky", or "its a bad team". You cant have it both ways. This is the NFL, any team can beat you. Anyone. Im tired of people being so negative when we are slowly building Momentum that could lead us to play offs

ATRAIN
10-28-2008, 11:25 AM
most other teams dont hate the texans IMO we are one of the most well liked fans around the league and team and one of the most ignored

the only fans that really kinda hate us are

Titans
cowboys and saints


thats about it really

its not like we are the philly or boston of the NFL LOL

why do saints hate us?

HOU-TEX
10-28-2008, 11:30 AM
I lowered and installed the engine and tranny into my sons car Saturday and got it started and somewhat tuned early Sunday. I was absolutely, positively giddy watching the Texans finally come out and punch a team square in the face. It was a major 'pick me up' for me after busting knuckles all weekend.

All that said, it doesn't make me a hater thinking the Texans defense is still a MAJOR question mark. I still think we're soft up the middle and our OLB's aren't all that. I've yet to figure out why Faggins plays such soft coverage. Is it because he's afraid of getting beat deep? Or is it because they were in a zone coverage? Either way, why is he still on the field?

My name is HOU-TEX and I'm NOT a hater. :tiphat:

ATRAIN
10-28-2008, 11:47 AM
All that said, it doesn't make me a hater thinking the Texans defense is still a MAJOR question mark. I still think we're soft up the middle and our OLB's aren't all that. I've yet to figure out why Faggins plays such soft coverage. Is it because he's afraid of getting beat deep? Or is it because they were in a zone coverage? Either way, why is he still on the field?



You mean other than DeMeco right? We need better OLBs, another pass rusher opposite or Super Mario, better Safeties, and someone other than Reeves on CB. I like our DT's and guys on our def are decent other than Okoye, Williams, Ryans, Dunta, Bennet. Im not a hater for saying this, its obvious. Yes we are playing well right now but we need some work still. WE should be 5-2 right now, but in reality are 3-4. We beat the teams we SHOULD be beating and I think we SHOULD beat the Colts and Jags and SHOULD the 2nd time around. Given that we should win the next 4(maybe 5) games. Minn will be tough. Baltimore is ok at best, im not impressed with them at all. The Colts, we had them and they havent looked good at all this season. The browns........LOL I dont need to say anything there. Jags, we could have beaten as well. Basically what is left of the season I think we can come out with at least 7 to 8 wins which would put us at 10-6 or 11-5. 9-7 could get us in the playoffs, but it might be tough.

Runner
10-28-2008, 11:51 AM
Thank you. Im tired of people who sit here and say " winning is all that matters" then say it doesnt count cause "we got lucky", or "its a bad team". You cant have it both ways. This is the NFL, any team can beat you. Anyone. Im tired of people being so negative when we are slowly building Momentum that could lead us to play offs

On the flipside, the "we really shoulda beat the (Titans, Jags, Colts) crowd is equally tiresome. I won't address the "early schedule was too hard and unfair" faction here.

The Texans are 3-4. Just about average.

ATRAIN
10-28-2008, 11:56 AM
On the flipside, the "we really shoulda beat the (Titans, Jags, Colts) crowd is equally tiresome. I won't address the "early schedule was too hard and unfair" faction here.

The Texans are 3-4. Just about average.

Yeah I can see why you say that but you have to admit we HAD the colts. That was almost an impossible loss and it still hurts, thats why fans wont let it go. The Jags I understand more than anything.

Runner
10-28-2008, 09:40 PM
Yeah I can see why you say that but you have to admit we HAD the colts. That was almost an impossible loss and it still hurts, thats why fans wont let it go. The Jags I understand more than anything.

It turns out the Texans didn't have the Colts. That game bothers me a lot too, but not for the same reasons as most people here. Some fans like to blame Sage completely for that loss, because then they can project how good the team is if they drop Sage's performance. I don't agree with that.

Sage failed dramatically at the end of that game, and those failures occurred over a period of time. However, football is a team sport. Some other player on the team should have done something in that period of time to take Sage out of his dive. Words of encouragement, a joke, a threat to beat the crap out of him in the shower afterwards, something. Instead, they joined the fans in watching a meltdown of epic proportions. There was a lack of on-field leadership from the players that matched Sage's personal mistakes.

Then there is Coach Kubiak. He should have taken some action to try to stem the tide. Sure, Sage knows what he is supposed to do, but sometimes players fold under pressure. There is a thread on another forum about how great Singletary is because he is coaching old school. Maybe Kubiak should have grabbed Sage's face mask and pulled his head out of his butt. Maybe he puts Schaub in and tells him to take care of the ball and just puke between plays. He should have tried something. He is supposed to be the expert on winning and leading this team to greatness. For that five minutes he was just an interested observer. That's our job as fans; he's not paid to stand by and watch a player melt down even if it was "just one game". For all those who absolve Kubiak of any repsonsibility for on-field play during a game, Sage is also Kubiak's hand picked, doesn't-have-to-compete-for-the-job backup.

The thing the Texans haven't proven is that they have the leadership - on the bench or on the field - to win when the going gets tough. Yes, they can do cute dances when beating up on the weak sisters of the league, but those same players were wallflowers when leadership was required to beat a tough team.

Projections based on the easy games are very good for keeping fans morale up, but they are nothing more than hopes for a bright future. The phrase "if they played the elite teams like they did the Bengals..." sounds good, but really is not indicative of the nature of the Texans. When the going gets tough, it seems most of the players wait for someone else to do something. When no one does, they are left to try to "figure out" why they weren't ready to play.

The Texans may have learned their lessons, and dancing in the end zone during a blowout may have triggered the swagger and leadership the team needs. I'm not going to assume it has though; they've spent too long being aimless.

Scooter
10-28-2008, 10:13 PM
Sage failed dramatically at the end of that game, and those failures occurred over a period of time. However, football is a team sport. Some other player on the team should have done something in that period of time to take Sage out of his dive. Words of encouragement, a joke, a threat to beat the crap out of him in the shower afterwards, something. Instead, they joined the fans in watching a meltdown of epic proportions. There was a lack of on-field leadership from the players that matched Sage's personal mistakes.

Then there is Coach Kubiak. He should have taken some action to try to stem the tide. Sure, Sage knows what he is supposed to do, but sometimes players fold under pressure. There is a thread on another forum about how great Singletary is because he is coaching old school. Maybe Kubiak should have grabbed Sage's face mask and pulled his head out of his butt. Maybe he puts Schaub in and tells him to take care of the ball and just puke between plays. He should have tried something. He is supposed to be the expert on winning and leading this team to greatness. For that five minutes he was just an interested observer. That's our job as fans; he's not paid to stand by and watch a player melt down even if it was "just one game". For all those who absolve Kubiak of any repsonsibility for on-field play during a game, Sage is also Kubiak's hand picked, doesn't-have-to-compete-for-the-job backup.

how do you know that someone didnt? how do you know what works best for sage? maybe going "singletary" on his ass is destructive and everyone patting him on the back would just eat at him. most quarterbacks need a minute to process and let go, and then go do their jobs. see favre, turnover, turnover, turnover ... game winning touchdown. no irate coach belittling him to do his job or sending him to the showers, no personal pep squad to do a little dance for him on the sidelines ... process, let it go, get back on the field.

kubiak wasnt just an "interested observer", he was the coach and playcaller. he called the most simple plays we've got to make sage's job easier and get his confidence back quickly ... handoffs, the basic bootleg into an area without a defender within 10 yards, a 3 yard pass to the sideline, and a simple drop and if noone's open throw it away. sage melted, by himself, with help and without, and outside of running for 4 yards per play against 9 in the box there isnt anything a texan could've done.

Runner
10-28-2008, 10:46 PM
sage melted, by himself, with help and without, and outside of running for 4 yards per play against 9 in the box there isnt anything a texan could've done.

So, with Sage on the field, a big lead, and just a few minutes left on the clock against a good but not great team it was impossible for anyone on the Texans to do anything to prevent the loss. If everyone in the Texans team and coaching staff is that powerless, they are in worse shape than I think.

Leadership is important, and the Texans have shown their lack in games where Sage didn't get on the field. The Sage incident is just one example; I hope the players and coaches looked at themselves after that game instead of just shrugging their shoulders and saying, "It was Sage's fault".

I think that the Texans still have to prove that they can win the tough games against good teams; some others take that on faith based on this streak and style points extracted from the losses.

To each his own, but I don't see why we "haters" get called out because we don't the share purity of vision of the Texans future.

Scooter
10-28-2008, 11:13 PM
put together a staff of vince lombardi, bill walsh, and chuck noll and last season's all-pro roster with me at quarterback ... i betcha i can lose the game in 4 minutes.

everything else i agree with. we arent a team with veteran leadership and having such a young staff doesnt make that any easier (our OC is younger than the players and the head coach hasnt finished 2 and a half seasons yet). that's why guys like alex gibbs and ray rhodes are being brought in to try to assist along the way, same as sherman when getting started. mario, demeco, and dunta are going to be that on defense but with the roster turnover during this building process they cant be everything to everybody. mario working with bulman on the sidelines is a great thing to see. the closest thing we have on offense to that veteran leadership IS sage rosenfels and ephraim salaam - neither of which are seeing the field. schaub just now crossed 1 season as a starter and look at where he is and how the offense is playing FOR him. andre's a monster; davis, anderson, walters, daniels ... a 4th & 7th rounder and a pair of castoffs. we dont have that leadership yet, but we're getting there.

i've not called anyone a hater (it's not part of my vocabulary lol), but i've been fairly adamant against the folks that are gunshy about rooting for the team and seeing the good things that we do accomplish. we've got a lot to prove, and a long ways to go. but unless the team packs up in the next 3 seasons (or starts firing everyone), i dont see how folks can not be optomistic with the direction we're heading - even if we're not getting the tingly results of winning superbowls every season. what kills me is that if we do have a bad game or with schaub's next interception, the forum will be flooded again with bile.

ReliantTexan
10-28-2008, 11:29 PM
So, with Sage on the field, a big lead, and just a few minutes left on the clock against a good but not great team it was impossible for anyone on the Texans to do anything to prevent the loss. If everyone in the Texans team and coaching staff is that powerless, they are in worse shape than I think.

Leadership is important, and the Texans have shown their lack in games where Sage didn't get on the field. The Sage incident is just one example; I hope the players and coaches looked at themselves after that game instead of just shrugging their shoulders and saying, "It was Sage's fault".

I think that the Texans still have to prove that they can win the tough games against good teams; some others take that on faith based on this streak and style points extracted from the losses.

To each his own, but I don't see why we "haters" get called out because we don't the share purity of vision of the Texans future.
There is no question that Sage should take full responsibility for that loss. Our defense held Manning in check for most of the game. We were in position to win, all Sage has to do is take care of the ball in that situation we win,so what does he do? That's right, he turns it over on the last 3 possesions!.:mcnugget: What do you think this board would be like if Schaub would have had that kind of meltdown? I don't know about you,but I get the funny feeling that none of the haters would be here making excuses for him. They can hardly find a way to find a way to give him props when he plays great, it's like they're disappointed or something.

It just seems that alot of the "haters" always try to have the view which is most detrimental to the team. JMO.

Runner
10-29-2008, 05:44 AM
how do you know that someone didnt?

I know no one took effective action i.e. exhibited leadership to stop Sage from single-handedly losing the game because his on-field performance lost the game.

I contend that lack of leadership is a problem with the Texans.

put together a staff of vince lombardi, bill walsh, and chuck noll and last season's all-pro roster with me at quarterback ... i betcha i can lose the game in 4 minutes.


Not if you're on the bench. I guess that was an option that was impossible to implement.*

What do you think this board would be like if Schaub would have had that kind of meltdown? I don't know about you,but I get the funny feeling that none of the haters would be here making excuses for him. They can hardly find a way to find a way to give him props when he plays great, it's like they're disappointed or something.


My example wasn't about Schaub/Sage. It was about the entire team.

I indicated that I thought Sage "failed dramatically". That isn't making an excuse for him. Frankly, I don't know what made him such a "must have" by Kubiak to be the hand selected and never-challenged back-up on this team. Focusing on Sage isn't addressing my point about leadership and the lack there of on the Texans, even if he is an easy target.

I also said the Texans as a whole, in that instance and others have failed to exhibit leadership. Call this leadership, the will to win, the guts for players to step up and challenge their teammates, the guts for the coach to pull a QB when he is single-handedly losing the game, whatever. The Texans haven't proven they have it in tough games.

Anyway, that is my case and I've presented my arguments. I don't hate Schuab, love Sage, or only post when the Texans lose. I also don't think the team is play-off bound just because of the three game streak they are on. If they continue to do well, they can prove to me that they are a very good, competitive team - I'll actually change my opinion based on new evidence. I don't evaluate them as such now just because they are in Houston, wear the right colors, "should have" won some games, and beat the Lions and Bengals.


*If Schaub was too sick to play for five minutes, then Kubiak went into a game with one QB. What if Sage had blown a knee in the first quarter? This is an example of the coach not being/not having the team prepared to win the game.

Scooter
10-29-2008, 06:32 AM
eh, nevermind.

Malloy
10-29-2008, 06:35 AM
Next time my visitors will watch the game with me or they can go home.


Thats what I tell people when they ask if they can come over. 'Sure you can, but I'll be watching football, but you're welcome to join me, beer is in the fridge'

:)

HOU-TEX
10-29-2008, 08:54 AM
Thats what I tell people when they ask if they can come over. 'Sure you can, but I'll be watching football, but you're welcome to join me, bring your own beer'

:)

I fixed it for ya Malloy. :winky:

HoustonFrog
10-29-2008, 09:04 AM
I know no one took effective action i.e. exhibited leadership to stop Sage from single-handedly losing the game because his on-field performance lost the game.

I contend that lack of leadership is a problem with the Texans.



Not if you're on the bench. I guess that was an option that was impossible to implement.*



My example wasn't about Schaub/Sage. It was about the entire team.

I indicated that I thought Sage "failed dramatically". That isn't making an excuse for him. Frankly, I don't know what made him such a "must have" by Kubiak to be the hand selected and never-challenged back-up on this team. Focusing on Sage isn't addressing my point about leadership and the lack there of on the Texans, even if he is an easy target.

I also said the Texans as a whole, in that instance and others have failed to exhibit leadership. Call this leadership, the will to win, the guts for players to step up and challenge their teammates, the guts for the coach to pull a QB when he is single-handedly losing the game, whatever. The Texans haven't proven they have it in tough games.

Anyway, that is my case and I've presented my arguments. I don't hate Schuab, love Sage, or only post when the Texans lose. I also don't think the team is play-off bound just because of the three game streak they are on. If they continue to do well, they can prove to me that they are a very good, competitive team - I'll actually change my opinion based on new evidence. I don't evaluate them as such now just because they are in Houston, wear the right colors, "should have" won some games, and beat the Lions and Bengals.


*If Schaub was too sick to play for five minutes, then Kubiak went into a game with one QB. What if Sage had blown a knee in the first quarter? This is an example of the coach not being/not having the team prepared to win the game.

Problem with your whole theory... and some is valid..is that no one is going to pull Sage after the 3 1/2 quarters he had and once the flood gates opened you can't really say "watch your backside at all times when running." You just hope that a player is smart enough to take the gameplan and protect the ball.

Texan_Bill
10-29-2008, 09:05 AM
I fixed it for ya Malloy. :winky:

Cheap bastard.

Malloy
10-29-2008, 09:12 AM
I fixed it for ya Malloy. :winky:


Dude, I'm not like that!

I would appreciate it though ;)

HOU-TEX
10-29-2008, 09:21 AM
Cheap bastard.

I bring my own beer everywhere I go, so I expect my guest's to do the same. :pirate:

Malloy
10-29-2008, 09:22 AM
I bring my own beer everywhere I go, so I expect my guest's to do the same. :pirate:

You work-place has no alcohol policy ? :)

HOU-TEX
10-29-2008, 09:26 AM
You work-place has no alcohol policy ? :)

It's a family owned business. We most definitely have beer in the fridge. There's also wine for my Bro. :)

Malloy
10-29-2008, 09:29 AM
It's a family owned business. We most definitely have beer in the fridge. There's also wine for my Bro. :)

I dont even know your product, but I already want it! :)

threetoedpete
10-29-2008, 09:37 AM
Well I don't know about hater...I'm glad the "C" word has been buried. Look I haven't posted it yet. Others did that for me. A young team with a young o-line learning....expectations should have been marginally turned down So what happens ? They beat two teams who are the bottom feeders of the NFL, and we get "we're running the table" posts . And there is no doubt that that tide would be a whole lot higher if they had went two of three with in the division. With the colts game and the Jags game in our back pockets, the season right now looks totally different. I'll believe the run when they get on the run. They haven't beaten anyone yet. I'll believe we can beat the tacks when they actually do it. I'll believe two of three on the road when they actually do it. If they go into two hostile environments and do what they are capable of doing, they have a shot. But , it's only a shot. Nothing more. Just like the three game winning streak...they've never done it before. Until they do it ...you are what your record says you are. We're a very young team learning how to win. That is it.

GP
10-29-2008, 10:28 AM
Problem with your whole theory... and some is valid..is that no one is going to pull Sage after the 3 1/2 quarters he had and once the flood gates opened you can't really say "watch your backside at all times when running." You just hope that a player is smart enough to take the gameplan and protect the ball.

Kubiak looks like a genius when he's playing bad teams. Schaub had a career day versus the Lions who have allowed 6 or 7 QBs to have career days this season alone.

And I'm not griping about winning. It was n-i-c-e to win a few, especially after getting plastered on opening day. But the crux of the Texans for its entire existence is that it looks good against teams similar to ourselves...but it can't raise its game, consistently, against legitimate teams.

Some of it's due to the CC/DC era and all the mess Kubiak inherited. But with what Kubiak inherited, he can't have many mistakes of his own on gameday. There's been some easily questionable gameday coaching/strategy/adjustment mess-ups by Kubiak. Those only compound the problem(s) of our middle-of-the-road roster.

I agree with runner. I agree with treetoedpete. I won't look at the three consecutive wins in a vacuum and even allow myself to buy the hype. This team has to get over the BIG hump that it hasn't gotten over: Beating a good team, handily, and doing it consistently. Not perfection. But 50% would be enough for me at this stage.

Stats, such as 3-in-a-row, have a way of not representing anything of real substance. David Carr's stats looked good in one area, because he was dumping off to Domanick Davis all the time. AND...the o-line during the Carr era looked worse than it was because David was sacking himself and running into defenders in the pocket, etc. That's why I say that 3-0 should have an asterisk beside it. It's a little deceiving, just standing on its own, don't you think?

dalemurphy
10-29-2008, 10:31 AM
Well I don't know about hater...I'm glad the "C" word has been buried. Look I haven't posted it yet. Others did that for me. A young team with a young o-line learning....expectations should have been marginally turned down So what happens ? They beat two teams who are the bottom feeders of the NFL, and we get "we're running the table" posts . And there is no doubt that that tide would be a whole lot higher if they had went two of three with in the division. With the colts game and the Jags game in our back pockets, the season right now looks totally different. I'll believe the run when they get on the run. They haven't beaten anyone yet. I'll believe we can beat the tacks when they actually do it. I'll believe two of three on the road when they actually do it. If they go into two hostile environments and do what they are capable of doing, they have a shot. But , it's only a shot. Nothing more. Just like the three game winning streak...they've never done it before. Until they do it ...you are what your record says you are. We're a very young team learning how to win. That is it.

I don't think the "running the table" posts are meant to be taken literally. I think it's just a spill over of exuberance and excitement. You and I are on opposite ends of this debate. After rewatching the Indy game, I predicted this team would win 9 games. That was when we were 0-4. My optimism for this team has little to do with beating Detroit and Cincinnati- those victories only confirm what I already saw to be true... and what's that?:

1. Our offense is potent. It's one of the best in the league and it's still improving. For 5 weeks now, nobody we've played has been able to stop it... and that includes some pretty good defenses (Jacksonville, Indy, Miami)

2. We're very healthy- and Dunta is back and now close to 100%.

3. Our LB play is definitely better. Diles makes some mistakes but certainly makes more plays than any OLB we've had.

4. Our secondary isn't bad. It still gives up some plays and isn't scary but the windows are usually quite small now and we've got very good depth there- only to improve with Dunta's return

5. We're not being run on. 5 weeks in a row nobody has successful ran on us, including Jacksonville and Miami.

6. Mario is maybe the best defensive player in the NFL.

7. Our DL rotation has improved and we're playing much better up front situationally- and getting good push and pressure with the front 4.

8. Between a great K, a good P, and an excellent set of returners, we're among the best special teams in the NFL. By the way, Molden may be our best special team player on coverage right now- watch him.

9. The team is learning how to win and gaining confidence. Winning on the road this week is the last big hurdle, i think.


I still think 9 wins... hoping for 10 and believe it's possible!

utahmark
10-29-2008, 11:05 AM
as for the haters, we're all texans fans. we look forward to the games and EXPECT to win. when we lose, we look for therapy ( here ). three wins in a row and the board is quiet because everyone is happy. some of us have wives, etc that dont care as much about the texans. this is a place to get stuff of your chest. haters of haters is wierd.

that is basically the whole point to this thread. sometimes i read all these people complaining about the team and you wonder if its really even the team that they are complaining about. a lot of posters have no other place to complain about whats really going on so they make these crazy unrealistic expectations for our team and coaches that way when the team doesnt meet these expectations they can come in here and scream for someone's job. guess it makes them feel better.

when things are going good they really dont even care to come in here and talk about the team. no i dont hate these people. just not sure where they are coming from and dont agree with what they say.

utahmark
10-29-2008, 11:16 AM
Kubiak looks like a genius when he's playing bad teams. Schaub had a career day versus the Lions who have allowed 6 or 7 QBs to have career days this season alone.

And I'm not griping about winning. It was n-i-c-e to win a few, especially after getting plastered on opening day. But the crux of the Texans for its entire existence is that it looks good against teams similar to ourselves...but it can't raise its game, consistently, against legitimate teams.

Some of it's due to the CC/DC era and all the mess Kubiak inherited. But with what Kubiak inherited, he can't have many mistakes of his own on gameday. There's been some easily questionable gameday coaching/strategy/adjustment mess-ups by Kubiak. Those only compound the problem(s) of our middle-of-the-road roster.

I agree with runner. I agree with treetoedpete. I won't look at the three consecutive wins in a vacuum and even allow myself to buy the hype. This team has to get over the BIG hump that it hasn't gotten over: Beating a good team, handily, and doing it consistently. Not perfection. But 50% would be enough for me at this stage.

Stats, such as 3-in-a-row, have a way of not representing anything of real substance. David Carr's stats looked good in one area, because he was dumping off to Domanick Davis all the time. AND...the o-line during the Carr era looked worse than it was because David was sacking himself and running into defenders in the pocket, etc. That's why I say that 3-0 should have an asterisk beside it. It's a little deceiving, just standing on its own, don't you think?


3 in a row is better than we have ever done before. thats why people are happy. you can find all the flaws in our win streak but seem to ignore the postives in our 4 loses(such as we could of easily won two of those and all 4 games came against pretty good teams).

i dont see things in a vacuum. i was talking about the team playing better after the first 3 games. started a whole thread about predicting a 10 and 6 season. people arent laughing quite as hard now.

its not really about seeing things in a vacuum its more of some people see the positives and some see the negatives. its a glass half full/empty type of thing. unfortunatly some people around here are walking around with totally empty glasses. not even a drop of water in that b####.

HoustonFrog
10-29-2008, 11:30 AM
Kubiak looks like a genius when he's playing bad teams. Schaub had a career day versus the Lions who have allowed 6 or 7 QBs to have career days this season alone.

And I'm not griping about winning. It was n-i-c-e to win a few, especially after getting plastered on opening day. But the crux of the Texans for its entire existence is that it looks good against teams similar to ourselves...but it can't raise its game, consistently, against legitimate teams.

Some of it's due to the CC/DC era and all the mess Kubiak inherited. But with what Kubiak inherited, he can't have many mistakes of his own on gameday. There's been some easily questionable gameday coaching/strategy/adjustment mess-ups by Kubiak. Those only compound the problem(s) of our middle-of-the-road roster.

I agree with runner. I agree with treetoedpete. I won't look at the three consecutive wins in a vacuum and even allow myself to buy the hype. This team has to get over the BIG hump that it hasn't gotten over: Beating a good team, handily, and doing it consistently. Not perfection. But 50% would be enough for me at this stage.

Stats, such as 3-in-a-row, have a way of not representing anything of real substance. David Carr's stats looked good in one area, because he was dumping off to Domanick Davis all the time. AND...the o-line during the Carr era looked worse than it was because David was sacking himself and running into defenders in the pocket, etc. That's why I say that 3-0 should have an asterisk beside it. It's a little deceiving, just standing on its own, don't you think?

I'm not sure how your post or whatever had ANYTHING to do with the area you quoted me on.

My response was in regards to someone being a leader and stepping up and telling Sage to get his act together or some how for the coaches to stop the bleeding during the Colts game. If you want to constantly be the poopoo platter regarding the wins, be my guest. I'm realistic about the competition but also realistic about how they finally put 4 quarters together..bad or good teams. Afterall, if all it took was bad teams on the schedule 3 games in a row should have happened a long time ago.

On your Carr note, I basically wrote your last paragraph for 2 years and people like you and others just tore into me.

Porky
10-29-2008, 12:02 PM
I predicted 8-10 wins before the season with a bullseye on 9. When we went 0-4, I didn't post anything here but I remember telling my wife, well there goes my 9 win prediction, and I was thinking more like 5 or 6 tops because they just seemed snake bitten.

Maybe I am drinking too much kool-aid, but I am back in the 9 win camp, and maybe I will be proven right after all. That would take a 6-3 finish. I don't think that is unrealistic given that this offense is on fire, and the D is working it's way toward respectibility with a semi-healthy Dunta and Eugene Wilson providing a much needed boost to the secondary.

drewmar74
10-29-2008, 12:34 PM
....that way when the team doesnt meet these expectations they can come in here and scream for someone's job. guess it makes them feel better.

Does calling for Petey's head count?

I predicted 8-10 wins before the season with a bullseye on 9. When we went 0-4, I didn't post anything here but I remember telling my wife, well there goes my 9 win prediction, and I was thinking more like 5 or 6 tops because they just seemed snake bitten.

Maybe I am drinking too much kool-aid, but I am back in the 9 win camp, and maybe I will be proven right after all. That would take a 6-3 finish. I don't think that is unrealistic given that this offense is on fire, and the D is working it's way toward respectibility with a semi-healthy Dunta and Eugene Wilson providing a much needed boost to the secondary.

I think this pretty well sums up how I feel about things. I was GREATLY discouraged after Pittsburgh and didn't feel much better after losing to TN again. However, after watching us over the past five weeks, I think that we are improving. We have a ways to go, but we're getting there. I think 8-8 is probably realistic and that would be damn impressive after starting 0-4 (especially given our schedule).

I think that the message board has gotten quiet but I don't necessarily think that it is because the haters have nothing to hate on. I think that, for the most part, our issues are a lot more clear cut than they have been in the past.


Rosencopter plus Schaub's play has cooled some of the QB controversy.
We've got a working RB rotation.
The O-line is playing better but we all know that we have problems with big DT's in a 3-4.
The secondary is better but still needs to improve.
OLB is dicey but Diles is improving and Morlon needs to go.
Bulman > TJ.


Etc. etc. ad nauseum.

In short, I think the board is quiet simply because rehashing a lot of topics like the bullets above would amount to beating a dead horse. Most of the threads that pop up now aren't serving as therapy to the diehard fans who want to vomit after a game. Rather, we're seeing threads about positive press, great performances, and passing the kool-aid.

So, yes, the board is quiet. But I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.

SICLICK
10-29-2008, 12:53 PM
Im starting Vikings D this week on my ff league.

GlassHalfFull
10-29-2008, 12:57 PM
Does calling for Petey's head count?



I think this pretty well sums up how I feel about things. I was GREATLY discouraged after Pittsburgh and didn't feel much better after losing to TN again. However, after watching us over the past five weeks, I think that we are improving. We have a ways to go, but we're getting there. I think 8-8 is probably realistic and that would be damn impressive after starting 0-4 (especially given our schedule).

I think that the message board has gotten quiet but I don't necessarily think that it is because the haters have nothing to hate on. I think that, for the most part, our issues are a lot more clear cut than they have been in the past.


Rosencopter plus Schaub's play has cooled some of the QB controversy.
We've got a working RB rotation.
The O-line is playing better but we all know that we have problems with big DT's in a 3-4.
The secondary is better but still needs to improve.
OLB is dicey but Diles is improving and Morlon needs to go.
Bulman > TJ.


Etc. etc. ad nauseum.

In short, I think the board is quiet simply because rehashing a lot of topics like the bullets above would amount to beating a dead horse. Most of the threads that pop up now aren't serving as therapy to the diehard fans who want to vomit after a game. Rather, we're seeing threads about positive press, great performances, and passing the kool-aid.

So, yes, the board is quiet. But I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.

Good points, and the only area I can disagree with you on is whether it is a bad thing or not. You guys are going to have to step it up starting next week. I go back to work starting Monday and will join the posting from work crowd. :texflag:

HOU-TEX
10-29-2008, 01:17 PM
Im starting Vikings D this week on my ff league.

Ribbon? Or a chest to pin it on?

Who is this cat?

beerlover
10-29-2008, 01:43 PM
Ribbon? Or a chest to pin it on?

Who is this cat?

don't worry its just a troll :hunter: :worm:

Specnatz
10-29-2008, 02:07 PM
Im starting Vikings D this week on my ff league.

Cool so after Schuab, AJ, OD, and Walker light them up you will get negative points. I am sure the people in your league are happy your in it.

The Pencil Neck
10-29-2008, 02:46 PM
Personally, I've been very positive about this team and even starting 0-4 didn't dampen that enthusiasm. I'm not enthusiastic about beating the Lions or the Bengals. They're bad teams. But I am happy with how we beat them.

I'm glad we got down to the Dolphins and had to fight our way back to a victory. We learned something from that. I'm glad we jumped on the Lions and then almost had it slip away from us. We learned something from that. I'm glad we demolished the Bengals worse than they'd been beaten up to that point in the season because it showed we'd learned from the other games. We didn't let them hang around. We didn't relax and let them back into the game.

I think this team has learned a lot the past 5-6 weeks... about winning, about losing, and about what it's capable of doing.

People can find negatives about this team. But if you think there's a single team out there that you can't find negatives about, then you're delusional. Most teams have weaknesses and deficiencies and we definitely have our share. But that doesn't mean we can't go out and beat good teams and go to the playoffs. We just have to go out and win the games. And hopefully, we've learned how to do that.

We'll see.

Polo
10-29-2008, 02:49 PM
Pencil Neck is a Hater...

Seņor Stan
10-29-2008, 03:00 PM
Ribbon? Or a chest to pin it on?

Who is this cat?

Here are some of the gems he has posted this season...

We suck again

We suck again. Miami will win the next game.

I told yall plain and simple ...We suck again

Doesnt matter who we put in...were gonna lose

We wont win

Plan of attack: Pray for a miracle.

Its just as I suspected. We suck again. Were easily going 0-5 ...im still watching and wearing my Texans gear. GO TEXANS!!!!

We basically sucked on Sunday

We suck.

I hate to say it but we suck again

Double Barrel
10-29-2008, 03:28 PM
Man, to see an 0-4 Texans team fire off three wins in a row against any opponents gets me inspired.

I don't own a crystal ball, so I won't bother projecting anything. But, the fact remains, for all this team's weaknesses, they still have heart and did not let 0-4, Ike, or Rosencopter, kill their spirits. They still hit the practice field and they still came out of the bull's belly the past three Sundays ready to play some NFL football.

We can slice and dice this team all day long. Hater or not, I'll let others decide the labels. They certainly give us a lot to chat about.

BUT, at the end of the day, there are still 9 games left in this season, and we could be .500 at the halfway mark after going 0-4. One game at a time, my fellow Texans fans, and let's just enjoy the ride. All that matters is that this season is not lost, and we have a long way to go in a very volatile and potentially week conference.

4 IN A ROW, LET'S GO!!! :redtowel: :texflag: :fans:

Hooston Texan
10-29-2008, 03:35 PM
8. Between a great K, a good P, and an excellent set of returners, we're among the best special teams in the NFL. By the way, Molden may be our best special team player on coverage right now- watch him.


I'm surprised I haven't seen that mentioned here yet. Molden was an absolute beast on kickoff coverage against the Bungles. That comes a week after he worked so well with Davis in downing the punts inside the 5 in the Lion game. The kid is definitely contributing.

DexmanC
10-29-2008, 03:48 PM
The Texans DO have onfield leadership. It's mainly when Schaub is under
center. I dare you to point to ONE time Matt Schaub has melted down
in the 2-minute drill to win a game. Matt was booed after two interceptions
in the Dolphins game, yet LEAD HIS TEAM to victory in spite of it.

In Carolina, last season, the Texans were down 14-0 after Schaub screwed
up, yet he LEAD HIS TEAM to defeat the then-good Panthers in their OWN
HOUSE. At least we know Matt doesn't get rattled when the team has
a lead, he becomes iceman and kicks their ass up one side of the field
down the other. Just as Kubes was right about Diles becoming a good player,
just like when coach didn't give up on Jacoby, when there were many-a-preseason-thread about cutting him, coach believes Schaub has the tools
to be a GREAT quarterback. The last three games are looking too much
like right. Most of his passes are right on the MONEY.

Houston, we are ONE STEP from being called "contenders." I'm looking
forward to graduation to that rank on Sunday.

Malloy
10-29-2008, 03:53 PM
Cool so after Schuab, AJ, OD, and Walker light them up you will get negative points. I am sure the people in your league are happy your in it.

Looking at his rep, he's getting the negative points already :)

Specnatz
10-29-2008, 03:56 PM
Looking at his rep, he's getting the negative points already :)

:spit:

GP
10-29-2008, 03:59 PM
I'm not sure how your post or whatever had ANYTHING to do with the area you quoted me on.

My response was in regards to someone being a leader and stepping up and telling Sage to get his act together or some how for the coaches to stop the bleeding during the Colts game. If you want to constantly be the poopoo platter regarding the wins, be my guest. I'm realistic about the competition but also realistic about how they finally put 4 quarters together..bad or good teams. Afterall, if all it took was bad teams on the schedule 3 games in a row should have happened a long time ago.

On your Carr note, I basically wrote your last paragraph for 2 years and people like you and others just tore into me.

It's 3 bad teams, plus four straight home games that's made a big difference. No travel, no harrassing crowd, and poor opponents have definitely played a part in the winning streak.

My only gripe is against the fans who hopped into the Delorian and time-traveled back to the predictions of playoffs for this team (after seeing us reel off 3-in-a-row).

I'm nowhere near that sort of mindset going into the Minnesota game. I've religiously watched Rockets/Astros/Oilers since about 1987, so I find myself getting older and thinking to myself "You know what? I'm just going to chill out and not get too ramped up over winning streaks and media hype when the team looks good."

The Rockets winning streak last year? It was fun, but the longer it went...the more I felt this was not a good thing for our post-season play. I didn't expect the Rockets to get past the first round, even though they should have.

And I don't expect the Texans to make the playoffs, even though they should. Will I be happy if they do? In a big way "yes," and in a small way "no," because I still don't think this team is really on the verge of blowing up onto the scene yet.

I just can't teleport back to youthful unhealthy expectations for Houston teams anymore. And I'm only 32! LOL.

barrett
10-29-2008, 04:02 PM
so i just learned on HT.com that the haters that you speak of were apparently "dusted off" by "Open" Daniels after his touchdown catch. So we need not worry about them.

Go Texans.

Reservation4Six
10-29-2008, 05:15 PM
And the player hater of the year award goes to.......buck nasty

b0ng
10-29-2008, 05:34 PM
Somebody link me to all of these threads talking about playoffs, and parades, and how great we are. I've seen some NEWS ARTICLE threads where people discuss what the media is saying about the Texans, but I honestly haven't seen a real big amount of people talking about how we are just so good that we need to point them out and belittle them in posts.

Seriously, I think some of you guys are just making stuff up to look down your nose at.

Also, Second Honeymoon wtf? That was like a complete 180 from previous viewpoints.


vvvvv pfffft hahahahahah. 3 defenses on your fantasy squad huh?

SICLICK
10-29-2008, 05:38 PM
Ribbon? Or a chest to pin it on?

Who is this cat?

Im a Texans fan.

My other 2 Defenses are on bye Vikings were the best choice left.

Chances are itll be a close game so the points for the Vikes wont go into the negative.

ObsiWan
10-29-2008, 08:18 PM
We're a very young team learning how to win. That is it.
This pretty much sums it up. They're young and they WILL screw up. But this team has learned they can come back from screw ups if they don't quit.
The team we used to watch a few years back would pack it in when things got tough. I think this team is better than that.

But this team is still learning some hard lessons:
- The Colts game taught them that even playing near perfect ball, it could all come crashing down in a heartbeat if even one guy screws the pooch.
- The Miami game taught them that even after screwing up all day, if you don't quit anything is possible.
- The Detroit game taught them that, even against sucky teams, you can't let up.
- The Cincy game taught them how good they can be when they don't let up.

Let's hope the Vikings game teaches them how to win on the road.

dalemurphy
10-29-2008, 08:29 PM
Somebody link me to all of these threads talking about playoffs, and parades, and how great we are. I've seen some NEWS ARTICLE threads where people discuss what the media is saying about the Texans, but I honestly haven't seen a real big amount of people talking about how we are just so good that we need to point them out and belittle them in posts.

Seriously, I think some of you guys are just making stuff up to look down your nose at.

Also, Second Honeymoon wtf? That was like a complete 180 from previous viewpoints.


vvvvv pfffft hahahahahah. 3 defenses on your fantasy squad huh?

Well, this was me at 0-4:

I disagree. I say we start a hardcore run of wins and will be at least 6-6 after the Jacksonville game on Dec. 1st. If this team doesn't quit, which I don't think it will, it's going to be winning a lot of games the next two months.
I'm looking forward to a special season this year, starting next week.

As far as '09 goies, that will be the season to start talking superbowl. For this year, we're going to be chasing down the wild card teams... I think we will fall a little short with 9 wins or so, but it's gonna be a fun chase.

Watch and see! Signed on this day of Oct.6, 2008.

p.s. I'm not being a homer. I really believe this team is starting to play very good football and that the losses this year are a result of incredible circumstances. Yesterday was the best any Texan team has ever played a football game, IMO. 2 Sage fumbles cost us the game but don't change the quality of football that the rest of the team played

Giant Tiger
10-29-2008, 08:48 PM
Personally, I've been very positive about this team and even starting 0-4 didn't dampen that enthusiasm. I'm not enthusiastic about beating the Lions or the Bengals. They're bad teams. But I am happy with how we beat them.

I'm glad we got down to the Dolphins and had to fight our way back to a victory. We learned something from that. I'm glad we jumped on the Lions and then almost had it slip away from us. We learned something from that. I'm glad we demolished the Bengals worse than they'd been beaten up to that point in the season because it showed we'd learned from the other games. We didn't let them hang around. We didn't relax and let them back into the game.

I think this team has learned a lot the past 5-6 weeks... about winning, about losing, and about what it's capable of doing.

People can find negatives about this team. But if you think there's a single team out there that you can't find negatives about, then you're delusional. Most teams have weaknesses and deficiencies and we definitely have our share. But that doesn't mean we can't go out and beat good teams and go to the playoffs. We just have to go out and win the games. And hopefully, we've learned how to do that.

We'll see.

:goodpost: Pretty much sums up my thoughts. That's why I'm looking forward to the next few games, especially on the road against Indianapolis & Cleveland. We have to beat those teams, as well as Baltimore to have a shot. Should be exciting to watch :redtowel:

El Tejano
10-30-2008, 08:16 AM
I believe the haters are on the ground of the endzone of Reliant Stadium after Owen Daniels shook them off him in the Detroit game.

barrett
10-30-2008, 08:24 AM
This pretty much sums it up. They're young and they WILL screw up. But this team has learned they can come back from screw ups if they don't quit.
The team we used to watch a few years back would pack it in when things got tough. I think this team is better than that.

But this team is still learning some hard lessons:
- The Colts game taught them that even playing near perfect ball, it could all come crashing down in a heartbeat if even one guy screws the pooch.
- The Miami game taught them that even after screwing up all day, if you don't quit anything is possible.
- The Detroit game taught them that, even against sucky teams, you can't let up.
- The Cincy game taught them how good they can be when they don't let up.

Let's hope the Vikings game teaches them how to win on the road.



yes sir! excellent synopsis on our progression over the last 4 weeks!

GP
10-30-2008, 11:27 AM
This pretty much sums it up. They're young and they WILL screw up. But this team has learned they can come back from screw ups if they don't quit.
The team we used to watch a few years back would pack it in when things got tough. I think this team is better than that.

But this team is still learning some hard lessons:
- The Colts game taught them that even playing near perfect ball, it could all come crashing down in a heartbeat if even one guy screws the pooch.
- The Miami game taught them that even after screwing up all day, if you don't quit anything is possible.
- The Detroit game taught them that, even against sucky teams, you can't let up.
- The Cincy game taught them how good they can be when they don't let up.

Let's hope the Vikings game teaches them how to win on the road.

That's a post I can buy into. Can't argue any of it, and I hope that somehow the coaches are stressing this to the players in all their meetings this week.

Pretty dadgum good post. Rep'd ya.

Second Honeymoon
10-30-2008, 12:28 PM
Somebody link me to all of these threads talking about playoffs, and parades, and how great we are. I've seen some NEWS ARTICLE threads where people discuss what the media is saying about the Texans, but I honestly haven't seen a real big amount of people talking about how we are just so good that we need to point them out and belittle them in posts.

Seriously, I think some of you guys are just making stuff up to look down your nose at.

Also, Second Honeymoon wtf? That was like a complete 180 from previous viewpoints.

vvvvv pfffft hahahahahah. 3 defenses on your fantasy squad huh?

well i wont call it a complete 180, but when your team goes from 0-4 after the Colts debacle and then turns around and wins an unprecedented 3 in a row, it goes a long way towards changing your viewpoints.

we still have major problems and inadequacies that must be addressed for us to be a legitimate winning team, but for the team to not go into a freefall after being 0-4 after the Colts game shows that the team DOES have some heart and pride after all. I wasn't so sure about that in the past. It also gives Kubiak some credibility in that the players are playing for him and didn't quit when things got tough and looked miserable. I may not think Kubiak is the guy to lead us to the Super Bowl but its obvious he had a big hand in improving our offense and although he agreed to work with Carr he also admitted it was a failure only after 1 year...which I appreciated whole heartedly. Some coaches wouldn't have admitted failure that quickly.

I am not going to get all excited and say the P word because we beat a few crappy teams, but I am going to be proud of it and I am not going to go out of my way to look for the grey lining in a silver cloud. As a Texans fan, you take what you can get and the last 3 weekends have been pretty sweet.

The big test is this Sunday on the road. Kubiak has just an atrocious road record as a HC and we normally just lay down and get our arses beat. This is the next step for the Texans and with some suspensions and the lack of a quality QB on the Vikings, this could be our chance to be truly relevant in the NFL....not the P word, just relevant...which would be a positive step.

Just think if we could have beat those damn Colts. They would be 2-5, wallowing in last place in their division, and already making offseason vacation plans. We are going to get another chance at them and we owe them..BIG TIME!! If Kubiak can't get them fired up for that game, will he ever be able to? Our guys should be frothing at the mouth to end the Colts season. Look at what the Titans did. They basically ended the Colts season in front of the whole nation. That was still sweet even if it was our rival doing the deed. If you can't tell, i hate the freaking Colts and Mr. Forehead, Peyton himself. I respect them, but oh man I HATE 'EM!

Insideop
10-31-2008, 01:21 PM
That's a post I can buy into. Can't argue any of it, and I hope that somehow the coaches are stressing this to the players in all their meetings this week.

Pretty dadgum good post. Rep'd ya.

Just curious GP about your avatar. Are you saying Schaub is like the quiet misunderstood hero of the Texans who is going to save the day, or are you implying something else?

3rd and Inches
10-31-2008, 01:59 PM
I'm just hoping that we win this Sunday on my birthday. Considering I'll be turning 40, I need something to look forward to dammit. LOL

Texecutioner
10-31-2008, 03:24 PM
I'm just hoping that we win this Sunday on my birthday. Considering I'll be turning 40, I need something to look forward to dammit. LOL

You're turning 40? What? You look like you could be turning 30?

Any way, happy early Birthday. Get you a extra shot of some Yaegar for me man!! :toast2:

Double Barrel
10-31-2008, 03:51 PM
I'm just hoping that we win this Sunday on my birthday. Considering I'll be turning 40, I need something to look forward to dammit. LOL

The Texans gave me a meltdown of epic proportions for my b-day. Hopefully your present turns out to be better. :shades:

p.s. hope you have a great day! You only get to the top of the hill once, man! It's all downhill from here. Your Old Fart brigade invite will be forthcoming shortly.

Texan_Bill
10-31-2008, 04:04 PM
I'm just hoping that we win this Sunday on my birthday. Considering I'll be turning 40, I need something to look forward to dammit. LOL


You're turning 40? What? You look like you could be turning 30?

Any way, happy early Birthday. Get you a extra shot of some Yaegar for me man!! :toast2:

The Texans gave me a meltdown of epic proportions for my b-day. Hopefully your present turns out to be better. :shades:

p.s. hope you have a great day! You only get to the top of the hill once, man! It's all downhill from here. Your Old Fart brigade invite will be forthcoming shortly.


Ahhhh, the beauty of a July Birthday. The only thing I have to worry about is a fairly unimportant Astros game..

GlassHalfFull
11-03-2008, 08:05 AM
Hey, look. I found the haters.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55407

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55414

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55406

HJam72
11-03-2008, 08:07 AM
We're back now. :shades:

Runner
11-03-2008, 08:13 AM
I'm still waiting for the thread that predicts a 6-2 (or better!) finish and then calls me a hater for not agreeing with such realistic expectations. We already have the "shoulda won" threads, so that is covered.

Malloy
11-03-2008, 08:37 AM
I'm still waiting for the thread that predicts a 6-2 (or better!) finish and then calls me a hater for not agreeing with such realistic expectations. We already have the "shoulda won" threads, so that is covered.

Omg you're like not a fan at all! This is the type of posts that screams for negative rep!!!


:sarcasm:

imatexan
11-03-2008, 10:19 AM
3 out of 4 wins and thier baaaaaaaack:thinking:

utahmark
11-03-2008, 10:36 AM
Hey, look. I found the haters.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55407

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55414

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55406

i knew they would find there way back.

im not talking about about you guys who post here all the time. im talking about the guys who only post after we lose and only come here to complain. if you would read the entire thread i think i tried to make that clear.

GP
11-03-2008, 10:53 AM
i knew they would find there way back.

im not talking about about you guys who post here all the time. im talking about the guys who only post after we lose and only come here to complain. if you would read the entire thread i think i tried to make that clear.

I don't know what I am classified as, but I will say that a long time ago...I said that I would jump on the Schaub Wagon when he rattled off 6 or 7 performances like he had in the weeks prior to the Vikes game.

Dude crumbles under pressure. QBs are going to get hurried when they play top defenses. So we all need to stop acting like our oline is the culprit here.

Sage was weaving his way around the pocket just fine, and he didn't limp off the field yesterday. Forget the stupid argument about Sage's inability to protect the ball, because Schaub serves 'em up on a platter against good defenses, too. I remember last year's San Diego game (against a good defense) when Schaub threw picks on back-2-back drives....to the same guy. And, he didn't pay attention and he got blasted from the blindside on the pick return.

I mean, seriously. We have two backup QBs (something I stated over the summer) and no starting QB.

Couple it with a putrid defensive philosophy, and it is what it is: Mediocrity.

LOL. I guess it's human nature for guys to pit two things against each other and battle it out until one is dead. I'm sick of both of our QBs, and something else I mentioned over the summer: "Don't be surprised when we have a replay of last year's QB fiasco, and Texans fans ON THIS BOARD start calling for us to draft a QB or to gain a bonified starter, not a project."

I caught a lot of crap over that last prediction when I made it over the summer, but it's true: Our QBs are not starter quality. Solomon hit the nail on the head when he compared Sage to a spare mini-tire: Good for short-term emergency use, but not a long-term solution. Same goes for Schaub as far as I am concerned.

So, let the battle of inconsequential QB controversy resume...

ObsiWan
11-03-2008, 11:43 AM
GP, This will be twice that I've had to concede that you may have a point.

The first time was when you maintained that we need talent upgrades on defense. I maintained that it was Richard Smith and not a lack of talent. Now I still won't agree that Richard Smith would do any better if we got said upgrades. But the upgrades are definitely needed.

This time I'm going to have to concede again that we could use an upgrade in the QB spot. We've got an upgrade when YKW left, but I'm going to have to agree that, unless the turnover issues are corrected, neither Matt nor Sage is the final solution to our QB woes.

I will say this. I think with a significant defensive upgrade - both talent-wise and coordinator-wise - either guy is a good enough game manager to get us into the playoffs. But defenses get tough at playoff time and these guys - so far - have wilted against strong defenses.

Texecutioner
11-03-2008, 11:53 AM
I don't know what I am classified as, but I will say that a long time ago...I said that I would jump on the Schaub Wagon when he rattled off 6 or 7 performances like he had in the weeks prior to the Vikes game.

Dude crumbles under pressure. QBs are going to get hurried when they play top defenses. So we all need to stop acting like our oline is the culprit here.

Sage was weaving his way around the pocket just fine, and he didn't limp off the field yesterday. Forget the stupid argument about Sage's inability to protect the ball, because Schaub serves 'em up on a platter against good defenses, too. I remember last year's San Diego game (against a good defense) when Schaub threw picks on back-2-back drives....to the same guy. And, he didn't pay attention and he got blasted from the blindside on the pick return.

I mean, seriously. We have two backup QBs (something I stated over the summer) and no starting QB.

Couple it with a putrid defensive philosophy, and it is what it is: Mediocrity.

LOL. I guess it's human nature for guys to pit two things against each other and battle it out until one is dead. I'm sick of both of our QBs, and something else I mentioned over the summer: "Don't be surprised when we have a replay of last year's QB fiasco, and Texans fans ON THIS BOARD start calling for us to draft a QB or to gain a bonified starter, not a project."

I caught a lot of crap over that last prediction when I made it over the summer, but it's true: Our QBs are not starter quality. Solomon hit the nail on the head when he compared Sage to a spare mini-tire: Good for short-term emergency use, but not a long-term solution. Same goes for Schaub as far as I am concerned.

So, let the battle of inconsequential QB controversy resume...

Agreed, it just to me seems like Sage runs the team more efficiently in tough games. He just does. I'm not saying he is much better, but slightly. Before the season I thought Shaub was just slightly better than Sage. To me they are pretty close and not really starter material unless your alternatives are the Gus Ferrott, Tavaris Jackson, Rex Grossman types. Neither one is that bad, but neither one is that good either. If there was one QB out of the two that I think could end up rising out of nowhere, my money would be on Sage, but of course he would need more time to get the practice in and not feel like he will be pulled the minute he makes a mistake. The sad part in all of this was that Kubiak and his awful stubborness wouldn't even allow a QB competition. He just gave it to Shaub after a golf game.

austintexanite
11-03-2008, 01:58 PM
hey, look. I found the haters.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55407

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55414

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55406

lol..priceless!!

Runner
11-09-2008, 03:12 PM
I can't say that I miss the patronizing posts from some of the sunshine gang.

How could we haters (i.e. realists) not have bought into the vision of the Texans as a team vying for the play-offs and threatening any elite team that crossed their paths?

How indeed.

spurstexanstros
11-09-2008, 03:23 PM
mot even the biggest glass of battle red koolaid can cover this crap we had to watch today.... I dont hate my team but that was baaaaaaaaaaaaad....

So you anti Carr fans...hmmmmm really we are a better team now? so the reason we lost was all his fault??????? Sage would be better?????? hmm maybe we had more problems.( i may have said that once or twice)

axman40
11-09-2008, 03:27 PM
mot even the biggest glass of battle red koolaid can cover this crap we had to watch today.... I dont hate my team but that was baaaaaaaaaaaaad....

So you anti Carr fans...hmmmmm really we are a better team now? so the reason we lost was all his fault??????? Sage would be better?????? hmm maybe we had more problems.( i may have said that once or twice)
Yes we are.
:specnatz:

hookinreds
11-09-2008, 03:49 PM
mot even the biggest glass of battle red koolaid can cover this crap we had to watch today.... I dont hate my team but that was baaaaaaaaaaaaad....

So you anti Carr fans...hmmmmm really we are a better team now? so the reason we lost was all his fault??????? Sage would be better?????? hmm maybe we had more problems.( i may have said that once or twice)

:sarcasm:

Think you forgot to put this on there, so I'll help.

utahmark
11-09-2008, 03:50 PM
I can't say that I miss the patronizing posts from some of the sunshine gang.

How could we haters (i.e. realists) not have bought into the vision of the Texans as a team vying for the play-offs and threatening any elite team that crossed their paths?

How indeed.

i think you missed the point of the post. i was just frustrated with the people who only post after a loss. or when we have problems.(pretty much always anyway). maybe those guys were just out of town that week we looked good.

Runner
11-09-2008, 04:18 PM
i think you missed the point of the post. i was just frustrated with the people who only post after a loss. or when we have problems.(pretty much always anyway). maybe those guys were just out of town that week we looked good.

That's fine. It is just easier to bring up this thread and some of its contents then to find several other threads. Those that made fun of us who wouldn't buy into the Texans finishing off the season with something like a 7-2 run and then pointed to the Bengals games as evidence of the Texans rising to elite status.

I don't mind disagreement, but the constant partronizing, sarcastic, and belittling posts irritated me, especially since it was all based on apple pie and sunshine visions of the future that were somehow TRUE.

And now I'll drop it.