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V3rm0nt3r
10-26-2008, 12:26 PM
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I was watching the Texas Tech game yesterday when one of the announcers compared Micheal Crabtree to our own Dre, pointing out the similar build, versatility, and freakish athleticism that allowed Crabtree to spin off one tackler and bowl over a safety in the play before.

This got me thinking; if we suck something awful for the rest of the year (not something i or any other fan would want this) and we got a draft pick ohh i don't know around 3 overall (the similarities keep on coming) we could have THE BEST passing attack in football.

WR1 AJ
WR2 MC
WR3 KW
WR4 JJ (3 million is a bit much to pay AD to be a 4th)
TE1 OD (top 5 in the game)
TE2 JD
HB1 SS
How easy would Shanahans job be?

jaayteetx
10-26-2008, 12:28 PM
Nice thought, but I don't want us anywhere near that high in the draft. That would really suck a$$!

brakos82
10-26-2008, 12:34 PM
Nice thought, but I don't want us anywhere near that high in the draft. That would really suck a$$!
We could trade for it... :thinking:

jaayteetx
10-26-2008, 12:37 PM
We could trade for it... :thinking:

No thanks, they would have to give up a lot and then have to pay top five money on top of it. For those reasons you really don't see too many teams moving that high up in the draft these days.

brakos82
10-26-2008, 12:38 PM
No thanks, they would have to give up a lot and then have to pay top five money on top of it. For those reasons you really don't see too many teams moving that high up in the draft these days.
Think we could get a 1st for Dick-wad Smith? :user:

DiehardChris
10-26-2008, 12:43 PM
AJ and MC would be great - but WR is one of our strengths, and our passing attack is already approaching elite status... we need defense far more desperately.

But yeah - the guy is a freak!

brakos82
10-26-2008, 12:45 PM
AJ and MC would be great - but WR is one of our strengths, and our passing attack is already approaching elite status... we need defense far more desperately.

But yeah - the guy is a freak!
Maybe he can play CB... I really should just give up on this thread...

Corrosion
10-26-2008, 12:45 PM
Think we could get a 1st for Dick-wad Smith? :user:

Pffft , you couldnt get an empty bag of chips for dick.

brakos82
10-26-2008, 12:46 PM
Pffft , you couldnt get an empty bag of chips for dick.
I bet Al Davis would give us something... maybe even Asmoguha...

Corrosion
10-26-2008, 12:47 PM
Maybe he can play CB... I really should just give up on this thread...

Maybe he'll play RDE , OLB , FS and RG ..... I'm in agreement , we should give this thread a rest.

threetoedpete
10-27-2008, 04:10 AM
It's getting posted every year. Every year it gets posted and every year I try to explain why this is the stupidest idea I've seen put up. Not this year. They're in the archives....whatever...you're telling me Kubes likes the guy from Illinois...he's there in the fourth and he wants to indulge himself with a project...Ok. You're Telling me he's going to take Tannehill of A & M late in the draft to coach him up for a Walter replacement in three years. OK. You're telling me the Kid from North Carolina looks spookily eerie similar to a mini Andre Johnson and the kid blows them away at the combine and they like the kid a lot during the interviews and they take him in the fourth, OK.

But there is no way in hades they are going into cap hell by paying two number one receivers. No f)(*&ing way. Why, because only an ignorant novice blogger would be so stupid as to suggest it. And Smith and Kubiack for all of their foibles are not stupid.

Sweet Jumping Jesus how much fricken production out of the WRs do you need ? Walter is at seven TDS now ? Wide receiver is not the problem. They've got four who can get open. And any way you want to slice it the month of October, A.J. put this team on his back and carried them out of the cellar. Any new guy you bring in means you're cutting one in August of Davis, Anderson or J.J.

IMHO, This is not a good idea.

DiehardChris
10-27-2008, 04:17 AM
It's getting posted every year. Every year it gets posted and every year I try to explain why this is the stupidest idea I've seen put up. Not this year. They're in the archives....whatever...you're telling me Kubes likes the guy from Illinois...he's there in the fourth and he wants to indulge himself with a project...Ok. You're Telling me he's going to take Tannehill of A & M late in the draft to coach him up for a Walter replacement in three years. OK. You're telling me the Kid from North Carolina looks spookily eerie similar to a mini Andre Johnson and the kid blows them away at the combine and they like the kid a lot during the inter views and they take him in the fourth OK. But there is no way in hades they are going into cap hell by paying two number one receivers. No way. Why, because only an ignorant novice blogger would be so stupid as to suggest it. And Smith and Kubiack for all of their foibles are not stupid.

Indeed. One need look no further than the Lions to see what happens when you blow tons of cash on a bunch of receivers. Plus, the advantage of having two great receivers just isn't THAT much more of an advantage over having one great one, and one really good one... AJ's not scoring a lot of TDs this year because they are ALL OVER him when we're in the red zone, which is making it look easy for Schaub to find KW, OD, and today - a ridiculously wide open David Anderson.

Corrosion
10-27-2008, 11:02 AM
Indeed. One need look no further than the Lions to see what happens when you blow tons of cash on a bunch of receivers. Plus, the advantage of having two great receivers just isn't THAT much more of an advantage over having one great one, and one really good one... AJ's not scoring a lot of TDs this year because they are ALL OVER him when we're in the red zone, which is making it look easy for Schaub to find KW, OD, and today - a ridiculously wide open David Anderson.

I coulda made that pass from the third row .... Anderson was similarly wide open on his other catch going across the middle ....


Mat Millen :spit:

beerlover
10-27-2008, 12:42 PM
posted this in the David Anderson thread, probably fits here too-

Andre Johnson - 1st rd. #3 overall 2003
Kevin Walter - 7th rd. #255 overall 2003
Jacoby Jones - 3rd rd. #73 overall 2007
Andre Davis - 2nd rd. #47 overall 2002
David Anderson - 7th rd. #251st overall 2006

there is room here for an additional high pick.

V3rm0nt3r is a very insightful football poster here, I've read his posts & he comes with a players perspective. I'm guessing he is thinking about upgrading a compliment to Andre Johnson, not neccesarily with 1st rd. pick but with 1st rd. talent, the kind of talent the Texans don't have because they have traded away too many of their 2nd rd. picks. this year will be different & if the right value is there by all means you have to take a look @ upgrading even in an area of strength, back to bpa approach.

just so happens threetoedpete mentioned a mini-Andre (tate? torn acl could be available now in the 7th) from North Carolina. I'll tell you about another, his name is HaKeem Nicks, 6-1 210. IMO he is 1st rd. talent that could be available somewhere mid second when the Texans select (if he comes out early). Has nice size, NFL type body but what I love about his game is his ability to run after the catch, he possess the ball naturally/quickly with very large hands & excellent footwork (cuts/angles) does not waste energy or steps. this weekend Nicks had 8 receptions 139 yards & three touchdowns one rushing.

he is the type of player who would compliment Andre Johnson for at least the next 4 years, while not a Micheal Crabtree its not going to cost a high 1st rd. draft pick, sort of a compromise if you will that represents excellent value in the 2nd. rd. that could address what V3rm0nt3r is thinking to open up the secondary even more than what we saw yesterday.

YoungTexanFan
10-27-2008, 12:53 PM
What better than Crabtree even? One Julio Jones.

Texan_Bill
10-27-2008, 01:02 PM
Dre (Andre Ware) made the Dre / Crabtree comparison several times while calling the Tech game Saturday...

threetoedpete
10-28-2008, 03:36 AM
Dre (Andre Ware) made the Dre / Crabtree comparison several times while calling the Tech game Saturday...

Yes and eleven was the main drum banger for a QB controversy before Sage made his infamous helicopter fumble.
Take anything Andre Ware says with a grain of salt. They aren't going to pay two #1 receivers.

Carr Bombed
10-28-2008, 04:12 AM
even if we sucked so bad that we hauled in the worst record in the league, the last thing we're thinking about is a WR.......Crabtree is a pipedream. Sorry to tell you this, but this team would draft S, LB, DT, DE, and CB before they ever dreamed of drafting WR.....that's atcaully one of our strengths

beerlover
10-28-2008, 04:29 AM
even if we sucked so bad that we hauled in the worst record in the league, the last thing we're thinking about is a WR.......Crabtree is a pipedream. Sorry to tell you this, but this team would draft S, LB, DT, DE, and CB before they ever dreamed of drafting WR.....that's atcaully one of our strengths

bpa is bpa if its a WR you take him don't look back & address needs later. I'm not in favor of using a 1st rd. pick on receiver but players like Crabtree & Julio Jones are intriquing to say the least. If things fall our way I would really like to take a shot @ Hakeem Nicks, WR N.C. in the 2nd rd. :tiphat:

mexican_texan
10-28-2008, 07:40 AM
If anyone, let's take Mark Hafner out of UH. He's good down the middle, and that's exactly what we do on offense.

BigBull17
10-28-2008, 08:18 AM
bpa is bpa if its a WR you take him don't look back & address needs later. I'm not in favor of using a 1st rd. pick on receiver but players like Crabtree & Julio Jones are intriquing to say the least. If things fall our way I would really like to take a shot @ Hakeem Nicks, WR N.C. in the 2nd rd. :tiphat:

Nah, impact WR's can be found later in the draft, and look at what Detroit did with BPA... We need a OLB horriblely bad, or a MLB to move Demeco outside. Though, that would upset me a whole lot. Damn Patrick Willis.

Texecutioner
10-28-2008, 11:43 AM
It would be nice to put another elite level WR next to AJ, but we would have to give up to much and our passing game is going really well right now.

We need a better pass rush and most likely our first pick will be a guy to replace Weaver at DE. We could possibly go after a stud safety as well which would be nice, but those are the main positions that I see this team drafting early next season.

imatexan
10-28-2008, 01:26 PM
Wont have a shot at him at all.

beerlover
10-28-2008, 02:43 PM
Nah, impact WR's can be found later in the draft, and look at what Detroit did with BPA... We need a OLB horriblely bad, or a MLB to move Demeco outside. Though, that would upset me a whole lot. Damn Patrick Willis.

any position can be found later in the draft, its just there is a higher probability of success early on. you don't have to tell me the Texans could upgrade OLB/DE. the safety play recently from Ferguson & Eugene Wilson along with futher development of Harrision & Barber may be enough going forward. whats up with Adibi I have no idea :confused: he needs to get out there so we can see what he's got, so alot depends on him. Diles has been solid & is improving then DeMeco is DeMeco so its not out of the question the Texans are actually better off there than most think :thinking:

when drafting needs have to considered ala last year with the trade down scenero for a starting LT (Duane Brown) & playmaking RB (Steve Slaton) all from one pick (18). now you could certainly argue wtih Duane Brown as bpa @ #26 but certainly not being the best tackle left on the board. or Slayton as bpa @ #89 (maybe he was?) but you would be hard pressed to think of another RB @ that point in the draft who has been better or had more impact than Slaton. so Rick Smith by trading down did draft the bpa @ each position of need.

defining need is key with two/three deep roster positions already with NFL expereince in play it takes really special young men to just come in & impact the bottom line. this will be my 5th year following the draft process & if there is one thing I've learned is just how its not an exact science. I beleive the reason why the Texans value character & work ethic over pure measueables because they are patient & willing to develop a player with the right attitude. they have direct access to players, hold private workouts, interviews etc.... that us the average fan cannot possibly know. oh, you can subscribe to pay services all day, watch football every Saturday & Sunday but you can't be in every locker room on every campus every weekend.

bottom line: NFL talent is never sure, if an organization becomes weighted more heavily in one area over another that becomes the strength of the team. you can't just manufacture team strengths by drafting those positions bypassing superior talent in other areas you have to grasp & manipulate the opportunites presented to the best of your ability. see Rick Smith. if it just so happens the bpa is a WR or a QB or a RB even though you need a DE or a OLB or a S you either trade down or you take the bpa or forever fall behind the competition :twocents:

threetoedpete
10-29-2008, 11:22 AM
bpa is bpa if its a WR you take him don't look back & address needs later. I'm not in favor of using a 1st rd. pick on receiver but players like Crabtree & Julio Jones are intriquing to say the least. If things fall our way I would really like to take a shot @ Hakeem Nicks, WR N.C. in the 2nd rd. :tiphat:

The Matt Million method.....thanks but no thanks....take the offers and move down please.

beerlover
10-29-2008, 01:37 PM
The Matt Million method.....thanks but no thanks....take the offers and move down please.

oh, I would love that too. trade down with Detroit for their extra 1st (Dallas) 2nd round pick (top of the lot) plus a 3rd or 4th depending on the package. the method would still apply its just that latter the less skilled players get, which makes it more likely the bpa is a OLB, S, OG, TE etc..... :)

beerlover
10-29-2008, 02:07 PM
speaking of TE's this may be the year of the TE? Dreessen probably holds serve but this could be the end of the road for workhorse Mark Bruener.

whats better than 1 OD? two offensive, complete TE's. Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma State is just awesome. almost 6-6 260 lbs he is big enough to almost play LT, in the NFL he can help Duane Brown chip the outside & completley shutdown the blind side for Schaub. He is also very athletic, runs the field catches the ball in any position & can run for more yards after the catch, even in the NFL I don't think one player can take him down. I can't think of a higher rated TE coming out since I've been doing this, including Kellen Winslow (6th pick overall 2004) of Vernon Davis (6th pick overall 2006) both where projected to become offensive weapons, Kellen in all fairness has been injured alot, I do remember some very good downfield blocking in support of the Miami running game, but Vernon was strictly projected off measureables (speed 4.38 @ 254 lbs) never saw him run routes or block off the edge/downfield. the points being both where Top 10 picks yet neither is the complete package of skills of Pettigrew who deleivers on a consistant basis.

listen I was going to go into the other exceptional TE's like Chase Coffman, Missouri who looks like Owen Daniels on steroids but this just came across the wire, I swear, right after I wrote the above paragraph. from draftscout - http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=8703#news

10/29/08 - When Oklahoma State tight ends coach Doug Meacham discusses Brandon Pettigrew with an NFL scout — and plenty of them are asking about the Cowboys’ senior — he always comes back to the one simple description that truly fits. "He’s a classic tight end,” Meacham said. In the era of increasingly athletic players and spread offenses, the college tight end has become more of an oversized receiver. But not in Stillwater, where even in the spread, they run the ball nearly 50 times a game. "In today’s game, you see a lot of tight ends that split out a majority of the time,” Meacham said. "Brandon can go down inside and grind with the best of ’em, then he can get out and mismatch linebackers or safeties. He’s an every-down guy.” Once last season, Pettigrew came to the sidelines begging his coaches to call a play to his side of the field. A running play. That’s what makes him special. Plenty of tight ends will beg for the ball, trying to get their receiving numbers up. But Pettigrew wants to win, whether he’s scoring touchdowns or opening holes for others to score them. "If I’m whipping my guy, run to my side,” he said. With his 6-foot-6, 265-pound frame, athletic ability and soft hands, Pettigrew would have a future in the NFL. His brutally physical blocking makes him a likely first-round draft choice. "I’ve had tight ends that like to catch and not block, and ones that could block, but couldn’t catch,” co-offensive coordinator Trooper Taylor said. "But I’ve never had the combination like this. Whatever NFL team takes him is gonna have them a special gem.” - Scott Wright, News Oklahoma

JWarren14
10-29-2008, 03:31 PM
As much as I would love to see Crabtree and Pettigrew or any other explosive Big XII offesnsive player, I think we still need to upgrade our defense.