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mexican_texan
10-25-2008, 10:28 AM
Matt Schaub has started a season's worth of games in Houston.

He has a 6-10 record. Check out his numbers in his first season of games compared to the starts here of three other well-known H-Town QBs:



Player Year W-L Comp/Att Pct. Yds. TD/INT Rate
M. Schaub 2008-09 6-10 311/472 65.9 3,584 16/16 85.8
D. Carr 2002 4-12 233/444 52.5 2,592 9/15 62.8
W. Moon 1984 3-13 259/450 57.6 3,338 12/14 76.9
D. Pastorini 1971-72* 5-15* 271/569 47.6 3,413 14/33 50.8

*Combined Pastorini's stats from his first two seasons. The Oilers went 4-4 in his starts as a rookie and were 1-11 (in a 1-13 season) in his starts the next year.

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2008/10/schaubs_first_year.html

brakos82
10-25-2008, 11:09 AM
Everytime I hear somebody talk about Warren Moon, I get an irresistable urge to go straight into a stoner accent... Dude...

The Pencil Neck
10-25-2008, 11:42 AM
http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2008/10/schaubs_first_year.html

I think it's unfair to compare Schaub's first year to Carr's first year. Let's make this as favorable a comparison for Carr as we can.

M. Schaub 2008-09 6-10 311/472 65.9 3,584 16/16 85.8
D. Carr 2006-07 6-10 302/442 68.3 2,76711/12 82.1
D. Carr 2004-05 7-9 385/466 61.2 3531 16/14 83.5

That's Schaub against Carr's best two years. Unlike Carr who seemed to be regressing as time went on, I think Schaub is getting better.

Let's remove the sack yardage to get a NET yardage per pass play. This is # of sacks, yards lost per sack, NET yards (passing yards - sack yards), yards per pass play (attempts + sacks). Schaub performed better than Carr's best year and tons better than Carr's last year.

Schaub - 28 207 3377 6.8
CA2006 - 48 301 2466 5.0
CA2004 - 41 240 3291 6.5

When you look at turnovers, interceptions + fumbles lost:

Schaub - 24 turnovers
CA2006 - 23 turnovers
CA2004 - 20 turnovers

The thing Schaub needs to fix is his turnovers. But I think we all know that and have beaten it to death.

Runner
10-25-2008, 11:42 AM
I don't think it is fair to use the first sixteen games he played. Health is a major factor in evaluating a player. He's no help if he's not on the fileld.

eriadoc
10-25-2008, 12:44 PM
The thing Schaub needs to fix is his turnovers. But I think we all know that and have beaten it to death.

I really haven't heard any other complaints about Schaub. I think most folks here realize how good he could be, if he stopped turning the ball over. But it's on him to do that. Until then, evaluation will continue to stop at and highlight his turnovers.

BattleRedToro
10-25-2008, 12:55 PM
I also think that it is a bit strange to compare Warren Moon to any of the other 3. He may have been a rookie by definition, but he turned 28 in 1984 and already had 5 seasons of CFL experience. Of course, he had to adjust to the different rules in the NFL, but still that adjustment from CFL to the NFL had to be less drastic than the adjustment from college to the NFL.

threetoedpete
10-25-2008, 01:07 PM
Well all I know there is a herd of quarterbacks coming out over the next two seasons. All shapes and sizes. Matt Schaub's bad luck he had to start out with a young o-line. As the line goes, so goes Matt Schaub. Funny how that thingy works.

mussop
10-25-2008, 06:38 PM
I also think that it is a bit strange to compare Warren Moon to any of the other 3. He may have been a rookie by definition, but he turned 28 in 1984 and already had 5 seasons of CFL experience. Of course, he had to adjust to the different rules in the NFL, but still that adjustment from CFL to the NFL had to be less drastic than the adjustment from college to the NFL.


I dont know? I watched alot of those Eskimo games and was a big fan of Moons in the CFL. He ran an offense that had him roll out alot. Alot more than any NFL offense I have ever seen. In fact he was the best roll out QB i have ever seen. When he came to Houston he was converted to a pocket passer. Thats gotta be a tough adjustment.