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Texans_Chick
10-24-2008, 10:30 AM
Over at the Chron blog, I did an interview with Bill Barnwell, the Managing Editor of Football Outsiders and a contributer to the Pro Football Prospectus:

HoustonTexans talk with Football Outsider's Bill Barnwell (http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2008/10/houstontexans_talk_with_footba.html)

Barnwell was very gracious in all the information he provided. Really you should check it out. Leave good comments--it helps promote thoughtful Texans talk.

The post before that one has interesting and semi-funny Texans information in it too:

Vote....For the President of the Texans (http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2008/10/votefor_the_president_of_the_t_1.html)

I'm trying to make the blog a place to find Texans information you can't find anyplace else or to put together stuff that is out there, but hard for most fans to find.

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GlassHalfFull
10-24-2008, 10:45 AM
Thanks, TC. My only problem with you blogging for the Chronicle is that it makes me break my vow about ignoring the Chronicle sports section. :foottap:

I guess it is in the best interest of Houston sports to have the local paper relevant reading.

Texans_Chick
10-24-2008, 10:53 AM
Thanks, TC. My only problem with you blogging for the Chronicle is that it makes me break my vow about ignoring the Chronicle sports section. :foottap:

I guess it is in the best interest of Houston sports to have the local paper relevant reading.

That's the way that most Houstonians get their sports news. You can either shake your fist at them, or you can quietly encourage them to get better at what they do by leading by example.

Texan_Bill
10-24-2008, 11:33 AM
Great interview TC. It was enjoyable to get an outsider's perspective.

OzzO
10-24-2008, 11:50 AM
Great article! good confirmation on what's been said here for some time... can we just forward that to the Texans FO?

TEXANS84
10-24-2008, 12:31 PM
That was a great article, thanks TC.

I loved the part on Fred Bennett being our #4 CB on the team and how stupid that is considering he ranked #1 in statistical categories. It's nice to hear another outsider think Richard Smith should be fired as well.

Porky
10-24-2008, 01:05 PM
That was a great article, thanks TC.

I loved the part on Fred Bennett being our #4 CB on the team and how stupid that is considering he ranked #1 in statistical categories. It's nice to hear another outsider think Richard Smith should be fired as well.

True, but how much of that decision is Richard Smith's, and how much is Kubiak?

spurstexanstros
10-24-2008, 01:21 PM
i am still waiting for some to just come out and say- Petey Faggins sucks!!!! oh wait... I just said that. How come fans clamored for David Carr to be gone when this guy(faggins) has given up more big plays than a senior citizen playing madden for the first time....sure David was a minor irritation...but this guy is killing our franchise.

beerlover
10-24-2008, 01:23 PM
this was my focus taken from your interview-

BB: I think there's lots of promise there. I'm impressed with Steve Slaton. I didn't think, coming out of college, that he was among the better backs in the draft, and it looks like I was wrong. We have him rated right around the ninth or tenth-best running back in football at the moment, which is pretty nifty. It also shows the foolishness of giving veteran running backs like Ahman Green guaranteed money when they themselves are no guarantee whatsoever.

If we're talking talent evaluation, I'd like to see the Texans pick up a better deep threat to put in the slot and stretch the field. Schematically, they don't have a guy who can do that and keep the safeties honest. In an ideal world, the Texans would have Kevin Walter going over the middle, Owen Daniels serving as the possession receiver, Johnson running 12-15 yard patterns all day on the sidelines and on slants, with the occasional double move, and then a Roscoe Parrish-style receiver whose main role is to keep defenses honest.



I didnt beleive Steve was one of the better backs coming out of College but not as bad as many beleived which added alot of value to his selection & thats key to building a great draft class. jury is still out on Duane Brown but it appears he is also one of the better young tackles in the NFL. Both however are on the offensive side, combined with the offseason aquistion of Alex Gibbs emphasis was clearly placed on that side of the ball (also remember Schaub counts as our 2nd rd. pick). thats 1-2-3b on offense.

Also like his point about a deep threat to stretch the field but don't we have one in Jacoby? (seems to still be in the doghouse). if his role remains diminished then by all means look for help here in FA or by a trade. one that pops right out to me would be Ted Ginn who has underachived in Miami, I think he would great in our offenese keeping the dogs off AJ.

honestly, as much as this pains me to say it, give Richard Smith one more year with emphasis in the draft this time (1-2-3) on defense combined with the maturation of Amobi & Molden to see where we really stand. keep hope alive :d:

beerlover
10-24-2008, 01:25 PM
i am still waiting for some to just come out and say- Petey Faggins sucks!!!! oh wait... I just said that. How come fans clamored for David Carr to be gone when this guy has given up more big plays than a senior citizend playing madden for the first time....sure David was a minor irritation...but this guy is killing our franchise.

this cannot be undervalued, Petey Faggins is a hardworker & great teammate.

leebigeztx
10-24-2008, 01:37 PM
Great interview. Also faggins giving up 10 yds a catch is crazy. Why would an offense not throw at him all the time?

TEXANS84
10-24-2008, 02:37 PM
True, but how much of that decision is Richard Smith's, and how much is Kubiak?

Well, thats a good question. Obviously a head coach will be reflected upon its staff. Just look at Dallas' situation with Wade Phillips and the DC.
There comes a point in time where the poop rolls uphill, and with Kubes 3rd season with Smith progresses (and still diminishes with the defense) heads may be spinning soon.

Texans_Chick
10-24-2008, 05:36 PM
Well, thats a good question. Obviously a head coach will be reflected upon its staff. Just look at Dallas' situation with Wade Phillips and the DC.
There comes a point in time where the poop rolls uphill, and with Kubes 3rd season with Smith progresses (and still diminishes with the defense) heads may be spinning soon.

McClain has said if the defense doesn't substantially improve that Smith is out at the end of the season.

steelbtexan
10-24-2008, 06:35 PM
I'm fine with @ the end of the season.

Wish it it would hve happened 8 weeks ago.

If we can add 4 playmakers in the draft & FA we will have a great defense.

It makes since that the new DC will have a say in who we draft & pick up in FA

If Mr. McNair is willing to spend the money & we draft well we are going to be good-great for a long time.

TexansFanatic
10-24-2008, 08:55 PM
McClain has said if the defense doesn't substantially improve that Smith is out at the end of the season.

Ridiculous that he's even being given the opportunity to keep his job. If, by some miracle, the defense improves and Smith keeps his job, he will only let Kubiak and us fans down again next year. Is Kubiak really going to be willing to take that chance?

Lucky
10-24-2008, 10:00 PM
....is Faggins really the answer? Has he ever shown anything resembling the level of ability that Bennett showed last year in the six seasons he's played for Houston. Not even close. Ignoring that to play Faggins is silly, and if you want to fire Richard Smith, that would be the first reason why.
But wasn't it Gary Kubiak who said that Faggins was the star of last week's practices? Richard Smith doesn't coach in a vacuum. Kubiak went along with starting Faggins over Bennett. Kubiak knows what defensive schemes are to be used and what the game plan is. I just don't understand why Kubiak's arse isn't in the same fire as Smith?

texanhead08
10-24-2008, 10:36 PM
this cannot be undervalued, Petey Faggins is a hardworker & great teammate.


He still sucks I dont care what kind of person he is. You can be the best guy in the world but if you cant play you cant play.

IlliniJen
10-24-2008, 10:44 PM
McClain has said if the defense doesn't substantially improve that Smith is out at the end of the season.

McClain also said that the Texans were going to draft VY.

TheRealJoker
10-25-2008, 02:15 AM
But wasn't it Gary Kubiak who said that Faggins was the star of last week's practices? Richard Smith doesn't coach in a vacuum. Kubiak went along with starting Faggins over Bennett. Kubiak knows what defensive schemes are to be used and what the game plan is. I just don't understand why Kubiak's arse isn't in the same fire as Smith?

Kubes comes from an offensive background. He's an offensive coach first and foremost, that's his specialty. Richard Smith is allegedly a defensive specialist and comes from a defensive background.

beerlover
10-25-2008, 03:44 AM
He still sucks I dont care what kind of person he is. You can be the best guy in the world but if you cant play you cant play.

true, I only meant these characteristic's are & have been highly valued by this organiztion. that the sum of its parts is greater than the individual player. Say what you will about Petey (sucks) but he has worked hard to hang in their despite lesser measureables, is infectious with teammates & in the community displaying the high "moral fiber" both Kubiak & Bob McNair invision for this franchise.

its going to be one heck of a test this weekend & against those fleet of WR's. the Texans will need their best games from all the cb's & safetys. not to mention can I get a sack Amobi? It would not hurt to establish a potent running game & keep their offense off the field as much as possible too. Going into week 8 the Bengals rank #27th against the run compared to a respectable 6th in the league against the pass. :tiphat:

whiskeyrbl
10-25-2008, 08:25 AM
Another great interview Steph, thanks and keep up the good work.

Malloy
10-25-2008, 08:43 AM
Completely forgot to comment this one after reading it, so... thanks TC, very good stuff.

Our D is as bad as most of us thought it was.

Crap...

Hagar
10-25-2008, 10:39 AM
Great article TC. Wouldn’t mind see a few more interviews with Bill Barnwell.

this cannot be undervalued, Petey Faggins is a hardworker & great teammate.This may be true but apparently, it can be overvalued. Petey's been the laughing stock of this team since the 2 win season. How he got back on this team after last season's fiasco is a mystery.

True, but how much of that decision is Richard Smith's, and how much is Kubiak?This is the best question to come out of this thread.

As most people know, I'm in the fire him now club. Waiting until the end of the season can leave unanswered questions that will make finding a replacement easier.

Malloy
10-25-2008, 10:46 AM
As most people know, I'm in the fire him now club. Waiting until the end of the season can leave unanswered questions that will make finding a replacement easier.

More importantly, since we're dead last we have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO LOSE by getting rid of our DC... now...

wow, I sound pissy :)

beerlover
10-25-2008, 11:30 AM
have to disagree with those who want Richard Smith fired, at least now in the middle of the season. lets just wait to see how this season plays out. Been here since the beginning, sold on the 3-4 yet haven't we learned changing systems/coaches in midstream is not excatly the wisest thing to do? case in point firing OC Chris Palmer (who recoverd very nicely one must say up there with the NY Giants winning a SB) for Joe Pendry (who is doing well for himself too with Alabama play calling duties I beleive) leaving the Texans 05 offense in shambles, so maybe its not coaching per say as much as player/coaching staff buying into & executing the game plan. thats why I say give him one more year with an infusion of defensive playmakers from next years draft to address both talent & need :)

ObsiWan
10-25-2008, 11:42 AM
Wow... remember when we used to have one of the best sets of CBs in the league with Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman? Remember when some rookie named Robinson got 6 picks because teams thought better of throwing at those old guys?

Whatever happened to those "old guys"? Wouldn't it have been nice if they had retired here and one of them had become the DB coach?

siiiigh....
:shrug:

threetoedpete
10-25-2008, 01:17 PM
this cannot be undervalued, Petey Faggins is a hardworker & great teammate.

Yep and he isn't going anywhere for now. They just can't lock the guy on speed if no one is going to get to the QB. It should be clear at this point that they love the guy. They have a way of doing things and they aren't abandoning those ways.

We're just going to have to dig in with someone at some point. This crap of changing coaches every four years simply doesn't work. Takes time to recover. The first thing a new HC is going to do is throw away Smith and Kubiak's guys for his guys. Switch form four three to thirty four...four years. At some point you give the guy the time he requires. I don't think Richard Smith is doing anything that Kubiak doesn't want him to do. And I also believe Kubiak is doing the best he can with the cards he's been dealt. You believe what you want.

beerlover
10-25-2008, 02:42 PM
Yep and he isn't going anywhere for now. They just can't lock the guy on speed if no one is going to get to the QB. It should be clear at this point that they love the guy. They have a way of doing things and they aren't abandoning those ways.

We're just going to have to dig in with someone at some point. This crap of changing coaches every four years simply doesn't work. Takes time to recover. The first thing a new HC is going to do is throw away Smith and Kubiak's guys for his guys. Switch form four three to thirty four...four years. At some point you give the guy the time he requires. I don't think Richard Smith is doing anything that Kubiak doesn't want him to do. And I also believe Kubiak is doing the best he can with the cards he's been dealt. You believe what you want.

winner winner chicken dinner :splits:

ObsiWan
10-25-2008, 03:27 PM
Maybe Faggins will twist an ankle and they'll have to play Bennett again

let me be clear, I don't hate Faggins, it just seems to me that after, what, 7 years, the staff would realize he's reached his ceiling. Both Bennett and Molden have upside to be developed.

...of course that assumes that the coaching staff actually wants to develop defensive players

Lucky
10-25-2008, 10:31 PM
Kubes comes from an offensive background. He's an offensive coach first and foremost, that's his specialty.
I'm aware of that. But, Kubiak was hired as head coach of the Houston Texans. Not offensive coordinator. His responsibility is for the entire team and every element of the game. Offense. Defense. Special teams. Time outs. Challenges. Wins.

Who hired Richard Smith? Gary Kubiak. Who will hire the next defensive coordinator, if Kubiak is allowed to keep his job in 2009? Gary Kubiak. Why does everyone seem to think that Kubiak will get it right the next time?

As far as I'm concerned, Gary Kubiak needs to find a way to win football games with this defense, this season. If that means firing Richard Smith, fine. If that means Kubiak goes in and takes charge of the defense himself, fine. I don't really care how he does it. I don't care who does it. What I care about is the Houston Texans winning football games on a consistent basis. Starting now. Else, Bob McNair needs to find a new coaching staff.

CloakNNNdagger
10-25-2008, 11:20 PM
I'm aware of that. But, Kubiak was hired as head coach of the Houston Texans. Not offensive coordinator. His responsibility is for the entire team and every element of the game. Offense. Defense. Special teams. Time outs. Challenges. Wins.

Who hired Richard Smith? Gary Kubiak. Who will hire the next defensive coordinator, if Kubiak is allowed to keep his job in 2009? Gary Kubiak. Why does everyone seem to think that Kubiak will get it right the next time?

As far as I'm concerned, Gary Kubiak needs to find a way to win football games with this defense, this season. If that means firing Richard Smith, fine. If that means Kubiak goes in and takes charge of the defense himself, fine. I don't really care how he does it. I don't care who does it. What I care about is the Houston Texans winning football games on a consistent basis. Starting now. Else, Bob McNair needs to find a new coaching staff.

Must spread the rep................:texflag:

beerlover
10-26-2008, 12:13 AM
I'm aware of that. But, Kubiak was hired as head coach of the Houston Texans. Not offensive coordinator. His responsibility is for the entire team and every element of the game. Offense. Defense. Special teams. Time outs. Challenges. Wins.

Who hired Richard Smith? Gary Kubiak. Who will hire the next defensive coordinator, if Kubiak is allowed to keep his job in 2009? Gary Kubiak. Why does everyone seem to think that Kubiak will get it right the next time?

As far as I'm concerned, Gary Kubiak needs to find a way to win football games with this defense, this season. If that means firing Richard Smith, fine. If that means Kubiak goes in and takes charge of the defense himself, fine. I don't really care how he does it. I don't care who does it. What I care about is the Houston Texans winning football games on a consistent basis. Starting now. Else, Bob McNair needs to find a new coaching staff.

so in essence he needs to find a way to outscore opponents rest of the way, else McNair needs to find a new coaching staff, correct?

The Pencil Neck
10-26-2008, 12:42 AM
Who hired Richard Smith? Gary Kubiak. Who will hire the next defensive coordinator, if Kubiak is allowed to keep his job in 2009? Gary Kubiak. Why does everyone seem to think that Kubiak will get it right the next time?

The head coach doesn't always have control over his staff. In many cases, the GM will pick and choose the staff or at least have a huge say in it. Usually the head coach just makes suggestions on who he wants as his coordinators but it's up to the GM to put the staff together.

Now, a powerful well-known coach will obviously have more power and influence in the decision. Someone like Parcells would have complete say in the matter while someone like Wade Phillips doesn't.

In our situation, I think that Kubes does have a big say in the matter. Right now. But if he doesn't address the issue and doesn't address the issue, then he'll probably lose that power and face a choice of losing his job or replacing Richard Smith.

Lucky
10-26-2008, 01:51 AM
The head coach doesn't always have control over his staff. In many cases, the GM will pick and choose the staff or at least have a huge say in it. Usually the head coach just makes suggestions on who he wants as his coordinators but it's up to the GM to put the staff together.
I would say exactly the opposite. The head coach usually puts the staff together. On occasion, a strong GM (like a Parcells in Miami) or a whacked out owner (like Davis in Oakland) will have the final say on assistants.

Which is besides the point, here in Houston. Kubiak handpicked each of these assistant coaches. The owner may have suggested keeping on Joe Marciano. But, Marciano is one of the better ST coaches in the league and Kubiak's fortunate to have him. These are Kubiak's coaches. These are Kubiak's players. If they aren't good enough to win, the finger should be pointed at no one but Kubiak.

Scooter
10-26-2008, 02:12 AM
I'm aware of that. But, Kubiak was hired as head coach of the Houston Texans. Not offensive coordinator. His responsibility is for the entire team and every element of the game. Offense. Defense. Special teams. Time outs. Challenges. Wins.

Who hired Richard Smith? Gary Kubiak. Who will hire the next defensive coordinator, if Kubiak is allowed to keep his job in 2009? Gary Kubiak. Why does everyone seem to think that Kubiak will get it right the next time?

As far as I'm concerned, Gary Kubiak needs to find a way to win football games with this defense, this season. If that means firing Richard Smith, fine. If that means Kubiak goes in and takes charge of the defense himself, fine. I don't really care how he does it. I don't care who does it. What I care about is the Houston Texans winning football games on a consistent basis. Starting now. Else, Bob McNair needs to find a new coaching staff.

i'm sorry, i dont like this post. of course the head coach is responsible for every aspect, as is the owner but i dont want mcnair on the sidelines with a playbook and headset. kubiak doesnt need to take charge of the defense (does that mean we can bring in capers to coach the offense? that worked well), he needs to hire coaches who can. who hired smith? kubiak did. and then went after frank bush. and when we struggled again he brought in ray rhodes. and when the blocking wasnt working he brought in alex gibbs. this season's shown that now we're going to have to add to the team by subtracting smith. smith isnt going to be around next season without a superbowl win ... gone in 3 seasons because the talent level is increased but the play hasnt.

he doesnt coach special teams, he's in marciano's ear on the sideline trying to get more from the coach who does and his players. kubiak calls the challanges but he doesnt get a time out to walk upstairs and check the monitors - he's again at the mercy of others. sure that's a lot of passing the buck, but as a fan it's allowed. what i keep seeing more than anything is progress and potential - we're acquiring talent quickly and we're a young team at every single position. that's all kubiak and gm smith, who again kubiak hired.

the staff isnt bad. what it has though is a flat tire that's keeping the entire team from getting up to speed. kubiak's going to do the smart thing "find a way to win football games with this defense, this season". and he's going to do what works next season - hire a coach or two who fit the bill, fire smith, give the defense most of the draft and cap money, and coach the crap out of our offense.

GNTLEWOLF
10-26-2008, 03:39 AM
i'm sorry, i dont like this post. of course the head coach is responsible for every aspect, as is the owner but i dont want mcnair on the sidelines with a playbook and headset. kubiak doesnt need to take charge of the defense (does that mean we can bring in capers to coach the offense? that worked well), he needs to hire coaches who can. who hired smith? kubiak did. and then went after frank bush. and when we struggled again he brought in ray rhodes. and when the blocking wasnt working he brought in alex gibbs. this season's shown that now we're going to have to add to the team by subtracting smith. smith isnt going to be around next season without a superbowl win ... gone in 3 seasons because the talent level is increased but the play hasnt.

he doesnt coach special teams, he's in marciano's ear on the sideline trying to get more from the coach who does and his players. kubiak calls the challanges but he doesnt get a time out to walk upstairs and check the monitors - he's again at the mercy of others. sure that's a lot of passing the buck, but as a fan it's allowed. what i keep seeing more than anything is progress and potential - we're acquiring talent quickly and we're a young team at every single position. that's all kubiak and gm smith, who again kubiak hired.

the staff isnt bad. what it has though is a flat tire that's keeping the entire team from getting up to speed. kubiak's going to do the smart thing "find a way to win football games with this defense, this season". and he's going to do what works next season - hire a coach or two who fit the bill, fire smith, give the defense most of the draft and cap money, and coach the crap out of our offense.

I hope you are right about all the things Kubiak is going to do. The record of this front office so far just hasn't proven these definite statements out.

Texans_Chick
10-26-2008, 09:35 AM
I would say exactly the opposite. The head coach usually puts the staff together. On occasion, a strong GM (like a Parcells in Miami) or a whacked out owner (like Davis in Oakland) will have the final say on assistants.

Which is besides the point, here in Houston. Kubiak handpicked each of these assistant coaches. The owner may have suggested keeping on Joe Marciano. But, Marciano is one of the better ST coaches in the league and Kubiak's fortunate to have him. These are Kubiak's coaches. These are Kubiak's players. If they aren't good enough to win, the finger should be pointed at no one but Kubiak.


To be fair, when the Texans were looking for DCs, there weren't a bunch of great candidates out there. The other candidates that were mentioned at the time aren't exactly lighting up the league. One got fired from Denver after one season. One is a secondary coach. At the time, there weren't too many coaches available where you would say--we need to get that guy.

Scooter
10-26-2008, 10:58 AM
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I hope you are right about all the things Kubiak is going to do. The record of this front office so far just hasn't proven these definite statements out.

from your bold, the only thing we havent done in each season is fire smith.

ObsiWan
10-26-2008, 12:45 PM
I'm aware of that. But, Kubiak was hired as head coach of the Houston Texans. Not offensive coordinator. His responsibility is for the entire team and every element of the game. Offense. Defense. Special teams. Time outs. Challenges. Wins.

Who hired Richard Smith? Gary Kubiak. Who will hire the next defensive coordinator, if Kubiak is allowed to keep his job in 2009? Gary Kubiak. Why does everyone seem to think that Kubiak will get it right the next time?

As far as I'm concerned, Gary Kubiak needs to find a way to win football games with this defense, this season. If that means firing Richard Smith, fine. If that means Kubiak goes in and takes charge of the defense himself, fine. I don't really care how he does it. I don't care who does it. What I care about is the Houston Texans winning football games on a consistent basis. Starting now. Else, Bob McNair needs to find a new coaching staff.

This is one time I have to take a lesson from Pete...
We're just going to have to dig in with someone at some point. This crap of changing coaches every four years simply doesn't work. Takes time to recover. The first thing a new HC is going to do is throw away Smith and Kubiak's guys for his guys. Switch form four three to thirty four...four years. At some point you give the guy the time he requires.

We need to give this org time to get the job done. As long as we're seeing concrete progress from year to year leave the man alone and let him do the job.

And yes, Kubiak hired Richard Smith. But, as others have said, when we were looking for a DC, who else was out there? All the really good ones had jobs. And unless its with respect to an upgrade in job position, no team has to let you talk to anyone on their staff about jumping onboard your ship.

Unless we see a grand improvement in the defense the rest of the season, I'd be willing to bet Smith is gone next year.