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texansfan88
12-29-2004, 06:35 PM
They are tearing up that grass big time

TEXANS84
12-29-2004, 06:37 PM
Wow, totally forgot about that one.

Fully expect to see complaints again from opposing teams players.

the wonger need food
12-29-2004, 06:38 PM
That field is terrible. I really hope they put in field turf next year.

BradK10
12-29-2004, 06:39 PM
last i checked the browns have to play on the same surface

Lucky
12-29-2004, 07:03 PM
That field is terrible. I really hope they put in field turf next year.
I hate to say it, but I think you're right. I love the idea of playing on grass, but it's just not working here. I'd hate to see the players get injured Sunday because of this stuff. I know Casserly has studied the field turf issue as far back as last year when the Saints put theirs in (about 2 weeks too late for Seth Payne).

Speedy
12-29-2004, 07:06 PM
It's rare that I see a football game at Reliant on tv. The field looks bad in person. It looks even worse on the tube.

Panther5407
12-29-2004, 07:14 PM
I wasn't to happy with the pick ax in the ground either.

BuffSoldier
12-29-2004, 07:27 PM
I wasn't to happy with the pick ax in the ground either.
Funny




Even though the field does look kinda worn, I still like the idea that they are playing on real grass, that adds a little more style to the games IMO. Even though it will never rain because of the retractable roof I like to see muddy games or when people get driven into the turf and have a chunck of grass stuck on their helmet. I like that i can tell how much pressure we've got on the QB by the grass stains on his jersey. I think real grass fields are on of the last things left from the old school smashmouth glory days of the NFL.

dan7
12-29-2004, 07:55 PM
That field is terrible. I really hope they put in field turf next year.


Agreed....the sooner the better!

pek281
12-29-2004, 08:32 PM
Dang, I never thought about the turf. After this one, there will be yet more complaints to the media about our turf.

Our facilities are way too awesome have those kind of complaints. They've got to get this taken care of next year.

Hervoyel
12-29-2004, 09:30 PM
After this one, there will be yet more complaints to the media about our turf.


And the worst thing about it is that the media will be right. Reliant is a palace. It's the kind of football stadium that makes you suck in your breath the first time you walk into it. It's literally the perfect stadium to watch football in with not a single bad seat in the house. There's nothing wrong with Reliant except for the abysmal looking field.

FIELD TURF!, FIELD TURF!, FIELD TURF!, FIELD TURF! (come on, everybody join in and lets make enough noise to wake up the Texans and get this done)

Seriously, someone needs to start a letter writing campaign or something. They're so focused on trying to do this 100% right (which is a good thing in most ways) that they can't see the one idea that isn't working.

Texizgreat
12-29-2004, 10:23 PM
OK i am an i d i o t..... can some one explaine the diff between Grass and "Field Turf" to me please

Thanks
Eric

TheTim5125
12-29-2004, 10:32 PM
i was at work and i noticed the same thing about the field... do you think they'll re surface it or just keep it all torn up?

gwallaia
12-29-2004, 10:54 PM
OK i am an i d i o t..... can some one explaine the diff between Grass and "Field Turf" to me please

Thanks
Eric

Field turf is fake, grass is real.

But its a life-like fake, much better than astro-turf.

The fact is, real grass does not work in Reliant Stadium.

gwallaia
12-29-2004, 10:57 PM
This link explains it

http://physics.unl.edu/outreach/fp_media/turf.html

Harry Biped
12-29-2004, 11:36 PM
Yeah, sure the field looks terrible now, but remember how good it looked for the 1st preseason game ever played there against Miami. It was too cool, especially with the painted end zones. I wish they could find a way to make the natural surface work, but clearly they have to make a improvement one way or another. Especially since Reliant Stadium is in the running for the 2009 Superbowl. The field looked horrible before the game started tonight, I can only imagine what shape it is in now. The thing that I don't get is why it always seems to be wet.

LBC_Justin
12-30-2004, 12:17 AM
I was at that first game against Miami and the grass looked awesome. (It had that new car smell too.:heh: )

whooaaa, just so the highlights of the Houston Bowl on sports center. The grass didn't look too great. The middle was horrible and it kind of reminded me of a well used golf course with divets every where.

I also didn't like seeing the pick axe being driven into the ground.

Man, I went to a lot of games at the dome as a kid and I hated how fake every thing was. The grass, the Air Conditioning, soft seats, etc. It wasn't FOOTBALL. I really liked how now we have the open air and the real grass. I don't want to let that go unless there is no way to make grass work. Keep it real.

But I will admit I don't know much about Field Turf so maybe that is a better option.

Demon
12-30-2004, 08:34 AM
My vote: keep real grass. I hate artificial grass. Been there - done that.

OzzO
12-30-2004, 08:52 AM
Bah - just hook up some humongus mirrors to the top of the stadium and direct the sun into the stadium to allow the grass to grow.


... okay, maybe not.

WWJD
12-30-2004, 08:55 AM
I saw about a quarter of the game and the field did look chewed up.

They should ditch that bowl. The empty stadium looked far worse to me than the grass.

texanfan2002114
12-30-2004, 09:43 AM
From what I understand from John McClain. The Texans players HATE the field turf and won't put it in the stadium. The Texans have the field turf in the practice bubble and the players do no like it!!

TheTim5125
12-30-2004, 09:50 AM
Did you see the UTEP coach take a full swing with the axe and landed right in our endzone... wut BS

edo783
12-30-2004, 10:26 AM
With the tray system that we have, don't we have trays of grass that can be brought in to repair the middle of the field before Sundays game?

SESupergenius
12-30-2004, 11:05 AM
Did you see the UTEP coach take a full swing with the axe and landed right in our endzone... wut BS
Oh please, like one little pick axe mark can't be covered up. And in fact you should ditch the Houston Bowl, the lack of attendance and show of support for a local bowl was pathetic.

the wonger need food
12-30-2004, 11:11 AM
From what I understand from John McClain. The Texans players HATE the field turf and won't put it in the stadium. The Texans have the field turf in the practice bubble and the players do no like it!!

Really? Do you have a link to these statements? From what I've seen from players around the league, they really like field turf.

texansfan88
12-30-2004, 11:15 AM
I asked a friend of mine that works for the Texans about this at the last game, and what they're going to do is they're going to bring in another field and like keep it outside somewhere and switch them out after every game, or if theres a part thats a problem, like the H Bowl today, they'd replace the middle of the field alone

the wonger need food
12-30-2004, 11:24 AM
I asked a friend of mine that works for the Texans about this at the last game, and what they're going to do is they're going to bring in another field and like keep it outside somewhere and switch them out after every game, or if theres a part thats a problem, like the H Bowl today, they'd replace the middle of the field alone

Right, they have a tray system. But the field will get torn up again on the first kickoff. For some reason that grass will not root itself in those trays.

Is there a horticultural/grass specialist on this board?

OzzO
12-30-2004, 12:10 PM
Sound familiar?...
field turf (http://www.artificialturf.org/display.cfm?newsID=527)
"If (the field) stayed the same, it would've become a pretty big issue (with the NFLPA)," Mawae added. "The sad part about it is, the players made comments to the Meadowlands management and the response was always, 'Give it a chance.' We gave it three years. That was two years too many, in my opinion."

The old tray system, which recycled portions of the field that had become worn out, was a noble endeavor that just didn't work out..... Unfortunately, the grass either came up in clumps or was worn away into dirt "sawdust," as Edwards called it.

Edwards recalled one game game last year when Santana Moss could have scored on a punt return against the Browns but "he took a 12-foot divot" on a cut.

interesting study on cost (http://www.athleticturf.net/athleticturf/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=135919)

Even the Steelers (http://www.post-gazette.com/steelers/20030217turf0217p4.asp)
The results of a survey conducted by the league among its players and released a month ago show that an average of 88.8 percent of players on each team prefer grass, compared with 3 percent who prefer an artificial surface and 8.1 percent who have no preference.

then there's Smart Grass (http://www.foreverfields.com/faqs.asp) which I think is different than Field turf though it sounds the same.

Guess we'll find out in the coming days and year... though I think I recall that the front office was pretty committed to this tray system we currently have.

Chance_C
12-30-2004, 12:10 PM
I wasn't to happy with the pick ax in the ground either

Yeah, and the UTEP fullback was eating the grass... :rofl:

On 610 this morning they were saying that Charlie Casserly doesn't want to change from real grass...course I was reading the sports while listening so I didn't hear everything

texansfan88
12-30-2004, 01:24 PM
It's times like these when I wish we spent our 3rd round pick on Punter B.J. Sander (majored in landscaping)

Porky
12-30-2004, 03:00 PM
Is there a horticultural/grass specialist on this board?

Yes, I am a grass expert. I recommend Columbian Gold.

- Signed,

Ricky Williams

texasguy346
12-30-2004, 03:18 PM
Yes, I am a grass expert. I recommend Columbian Gold.

- Signed,

Ricky Williams

I thought Ricky was more of a Maui Wowie kind of guy.

texansfan88
12-30-2004, 03:18 PM
correction: B.J. Sander majored in Turf Grass Science at The Ohio State University

gwallaia
12-30-2004, 03:51 PM
Is there a horticultural/grass specialist on this board?

I'm not a horticulturalist or grass specialist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

aj.
12-30-2004, 08:09 PM
I just ran across some comments from Gary Barnett in the Chronicle about the field conditions at Reliant. This is coming from a college coach:

"It was really sloppy. I thought it was really tough footing. I was wondering if anyone was going to ask about that, but it was tough footing out there and I don't know why. Everybody slipped around..."

Reliant Stadium officals should be embarrassed.

I was watching Super Bowl highlights on ESPN earlier tonight and noticed how nice and tight the turf was that night. Of course we had the turf god in here for two weeks to get it right. I think our turf guys need a different ops plan.

rhc564
12-30-2004, 09:10 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the turf for the SB was specifically grown for that
game per the NFL--original grass for Reliant was grown in nearby Bay City
but SB turf was trucked in from somewhere else...

aj.
12-30-2004, 09:19 PM
Arizona...

JustBonee
12-30-2004, 10:53 PM
That pretty Super Bowl field at Reliant was Princess 77 grass...
http://spectre.nmsu.edu/media/photos/012004-BL-Princess-77-Cutting-1_sm.jpg

http://spectre.nmsu.edu/media/news2.lasso?i=460

Marcus
12-31-2004, 11:47 AM
I'm just (and still) wondering why they have to water the field down before the game.

Anyone know why?

That has been the crux of all the complaints by players and coaches alike. "The footing is horrible out there!" "It was wet and slippery!"

And I don't want to hear any crud about how you don't hear anyone in the Texans organization complaining about the field. We all know what would happen to them if they did.

Marcus
01-02-2005, 03:01 AM
"The field was already partially painted green . . . ." :rofl:

Is this a sick joke or what?

Maybe what needs to happen is for AJ or DD to blow out a knee on that "very very wet" grass in order to be more than just an embarrassment.

infantrycak
01-02-2005, 10:14 AM
Maybe what needs to happen is for AJ or DD to blow out a knee on that "very very wet" grass in order to be more than just an embarrassment.

Grass, wet or otherwise, is not what makes people blow knees out. Astroturf is the worst, field turf is supposed to be "better" but does that mean it is as good as grass injury wise?--never heard anyone say it is safer.

And what is with this superficial perfection thing anyway? Football used to be cool because teams would play in driving rain, snow, wind--mail men and the NFL--play through whatever. Now if a little turf gets thrown up it is an embarrassment? JMO, but football should be played on grass and if anything the Texans should be used to their home field and gain an advantage akin to the advantage the Dolts have on their track.

Vinny
01-02-2005, 12:11 PM
And what is with this superficial perfection thing anyway? Football used to be cool because teams would play in driving rain, snow, wind--mail men and the NFL--play through whatever. Now if a little turf gets thrown up it is an embarrassment? JMO, but football should be played on grass and if anything the Texans should be used to their home field and gain an advantage akin to the advantage the Dolts have on their track.I've always seen bad fields in December ever since I have been watching the game. Our limited lighting makes our field age like a Northern field but if you took away the cold I bet the Northern teams would never build domes; even with bad grass like we have. I hope we stick with grass also.