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281
10-22-2008, 12:08 AM
my post count may be over a thousand, but i don't really post much nowadays because i don't feel it's that necessary most of the time, since a lot of posts here are not really what i wanna talk about. however, i lurk all the time, and i used to post here a lot when i was younger (i was 15 or so; i'm 20 now)... but yeah, i'm just gonna post some of my thoughts on this team.

i can't lie, i enjoy this offense more than any other offense we've had throughout the years. we have exciting players at every skill position for the first time in franchise history... and for once, we have some serious talent on the line. we're a bit undersized there, and inexperience is gonna show for a while, but i honestly see improvement week by week.

i realize we're playing horrible football teams during this winning streak, but i started seeing improvement in our third game in jacksonville... early struggles were to be expected considering our younger players, new coaches, and difficulty of competition. we couldn't have asked for a harder 4 games to start the season out with.

the new threat this 2008 team has, FINALLY, is at running back... just the presence of slaton in the backfield changes things from the get-go. defenses are now starting to respect the run a little more, and i think that's starting to really open the offense up and get the play action passes going. it's giving daniels all types of chances in the middle of the field, and easing the way for andre johnson and kevin walter on the edges.

and obviously, slaton himself is a great back, who has killer vision and burst we've never seen in houston... however, we CANNOT run this guy into the ground like we did domanick davis; he NEEDS a compliment to keep him fresh. he's extremely explosive, but his small size is going to lead to durability issues if he doesn't have another back to help carry the load. i've actually been quite impressed with green, but he's too expensive and he's just way too brittle to be relied on week to week.

we may end up winning 6 or 7 games this season, but i'm confident that we'll be alright in the long run... WITH A NEW DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR. richard smith, no matter how the defense performs the rest of the season, has worn out his welcome with me... i need to see a more aggressive scheme that can effectively rush the passer and not give up huge plays. granted, our secondary still needs a lot of work, but i think we've seen richard smith's ceiling.

my ideal draft would be as follows:

round 1: a talented, pass rushing DE. we need another pass rushing threat in the worst way possible, and weaver isn't cutting it.

round 2: a larger, north-south type RB. this is the compliment slaton needs, and it'll only make our offense more dynamic and unpredictable. i'm not gonna lie though, i wouldn't mind if we took a kenny phillips type FS here to push this pick to round 3.

round 3: a larger, more talented RG. brisiel is a decent player, but we need more of a push from the position, and he's not really doing that so much. i notice most of our good runs come on the left side.

i only specified the first three rounds because i expect players chosen in these rounds to make AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT. for rounds 4-6, i'm sure we'll address the secondary and both lines, and probably another quarterback in round 7... i'm joking, i hope.

in free agency, i'd LOVE haynesworth at DT, even if okam pans out. i also wouldn't mind more talent at WLB... and an improvement at LG/RG would be great to add some more competitiveness to the line. the secondary is pretty bad, but i think it's going to be markedly better with the return of dunta robinson; the personnel besides him could actually be worse. i think the winner of reeves/molden would do fine at nickelback with robinson and bennett on the edges.

i've been a little disappointed about the way this season started, obviously... but i'm liking our direction. the only move i'd be really disappointed about is keeping richard smith after this season. however, i feel this is his last hoorah. i really do. i think we could be a really dangerous team next season, especially if we attack our issues the way i would... but what do i know? i'm just a fan.

anyways, i'm done ranting. here's to a good (AND HEALTHY) rest of the season!

Vinnie
10-22-2008, 01:01 AM
Call me crazy, but I think an upgrade at center is more of a priority then RG. I wouldn't waste more draft picks then maybe two on offense, and they wouldn't be first day selections. This defense sucks, end of story. Fire Smith and draft the best corners and DE's you can.

buddyboy
10-22-2008, 01:32 AM
Call me crazy, but I think an upgrade at center is more of a priority then RG. I wouldn't waste more draft picks then maybe two on offense, and they wouldn't be first day selections. This defense sucks, end of story. Fire Smith and draft the best corners and DE's you can.

I agree that we need a center, with Meyers getting pushed around, more than RG, although, both are necessary for us to become a real powerhouse.

I think that SHOULD Dunta get back to form, we won't need to draft a CB. Instead, I think we should get a true free safety. Hopefully, Richard Smith will get the sack and we won't have any more of this left side of the field right side of the field nonsense, nor will we have any more of the interchangeable safety experiment.

As for DE, I may be alone in thinking we don't necessarily need to draft one that high this year. Maybe a pass-rush specialist in the second day.

Norg
10-22-2008, 02:07 AM
we deff need to draft a better player on the O-line

No DE we already got mario

we need to draft in the secondary thats obvious

i dont even think we really need to get another RB imo

are biggest move during the OS will be weather we trade Sage or not and what we could get for him

YellerLotYeller
10-22-2008, 02:24 AM
If we dont draft the best available safety next year.......I will still be a die hard Texan fan with blind homerism.

DiehardChris
10-22-2008, 02:33 AM
I wouldn't touch Albert Haynesworth with a ten foot pole once he gets a long term deal. That guy has big contract bust written all over him. He never did squat until he was in a contract year. Too much of a risk for the incredible amount of money he's sure to command.

BigBull17
10-22-2008, 07:11 AM
Call me crazy, but I think an upgrade at center is more of a priority then RG. I wouldn't waste more draft picks then maybe two on offense, and they wouldn't be first day selections. This defense sucks, end of story. Fire Smith and draft the best corners and DE's you can.

Ill add a big, fat space eater DT. Keep lineman off of our undersized MLB and keep him a little fresher throughout the year.

gtexan02
10-22-2008, 08:17 AM
My priorities would be
Round 1: Safety -- there seem to be very few first round safeties that don't end up working out. 1st round safeties are usually immediate game changers, and you can get them from anywhere in the first

Round 2: RB -- Green probably won't be here, and we need another "thunder" to go with our "lightning". You can get great running backs in the early to mid 2nd round

Round 3: G/C -- Whichever is available
There is usually great value for G/C in the 3rd and earlier

Round 4: DE/DT -- For some reason, 4th round is our speciality, so using this pick on a pass rushing end or space filling DT seems like a good move

Rounds 5-7: BPA

maddogmrb
10-22-2008, 08:25 AM
All of the team needs y'all are bringing up are legitimate. However, I believe the team's biggest weakness is OLB. I think Demeco is out of position at MLB and should be moved to OLB and then we draft the best MLB or OLB available with #1 or #2 at the latest.

gtexan02
10-22-2008, 08:36 AM
The announcers said last Sunday that Kubiak informed them that he was quite happy with the state of the linebacking corp, and that the rotations on the DL and secondary were his biggest concerns.

I think Ryans and Diles have been working out nicely, and Greenwood has been solid if unspectacular with a developing Abidi ready to take over as soon as he can.

Polo
10-22-2008, 08:38 AM
I don't think we need a "big" back...

I think that with this scheme a talented medium sized RB to back up Slaton would be o.k...

281
10-22-2008, 11:02 AM
I don't think we need a "big" back...

I think that with this scheme a talented medium sized RB to back up Slaton would be o.k...

slaton can only take so many carries... he's not gonna survive larry johnson-type carries in a season. a larger, young back would definitely add a change of pace and a much needed breather for slaton. come on, who else do we have?... ahman green, who's probably playing his last season for us? chris taylor, who lands on the IR every season? i agree that slaton is gonna be the man in houston for a long time, but he NEEDS a 1a.

281
10-22-2008, 11:04 AM
My priorities would be
Round 1: Safety -- there seem to be very few first round safeties that don't end up working out. 1st round safeties are usually immediate game changers, and you can get them from anywhere in the first

Round 2: RB -- Green probably won't be here, and we need another "thunder" to go with our "lightning". You can get great running backs in the early to mid 2nd round

Round 3: G/C -- Whichever is available
There is usually great value for G/C in the 3rd and earlier

Round 4: DE/DT -- For some reason, 4th round is our speciality, so using this pick on a pass rushing end or space filling DT seems like a good move

Rounds 5-7: BPA

i like your take also... a top-flight free safety would be great for our secondary. will demps's style makes him a better strong safety, and i think he'll suffice for the time being.

281
10-22-2008, 11:05 AM
I wouldn't touch Albert Haynesworth with a ten foot pole once he gets a long term deal. That guy has big contract bust written all over him. He never did squat until he was in a contract year. Too much of a risk for the incredible amount of money he's sure to command.

are you kidding me? he's been one of the best, if not THE best, defensive tackles in the league for a couple of years now. he would make this defense CONSIDERABLY better, and that's not a stretch.

eriadoc
10-22-2008, 11:08 AM
I don't think we need a "big" back...

I think that with this scheme a talented medium sized RB to back up Slaton would be o.k...

I don't necessarily think we need a big back, but it would be nice to have a back that moved the pile a little when he hits it. You know, since we have the back running into the pile situation a lot.

Also worth noting - and I don't know how many of you still have games recorded from '04 - Dom Davis had a knack for breaking tackles. He didn't have the burst that Slaton has, nor the top end speed, obviously, but he was shifty, with good vision, and was able to get slippery and break arm tackles and such. That's something that I haven't seen with Slaton.

What I'd like to see is a back that can pound it, then put Slaton in for the home run threat. I also have long-term concerns about Slaton's durability, but that remains to be seen. All I know for sure is that when Slaton draws contact, he usually goes backward.

281
10-22-2008, 11:08 AM
Call me crazy, but I think an upgrade at center is more of a priority then RG. I wouldn't waste more draft picks then maybe two on offense, and they wouldn't be first day selections. This defense sucks, end of story. Fire Smith and draft the best corners and DE's you can.

i agree, we also need more of a push from the center position. however, i'll give myers a little time to get acclimated... he is undersized, but i think technique is the name of his game. i'm sure alex gibbs had say in bringing him to houston, so i'll wait a bit...

281
10-22-2008, 11:14 AM
I don't necessarily think we need a big back, but it would be nice to have a back that moved the pile a little when he hits it. You know, since we have the back running into the pile situation a lot.

Also worth noting - and I don't know how many of you still have games recorded from '04 - Dom Davis had a knack for breaking tackles. He didn't have the burst that Slaton has, nor the top end speed, obviously, but he was shifty, with good vision, and was able to get slippery and break arm tackles and such. That's something that I haven't seen with Slaton.

What I'd like to see is a back that can pound it, then put Slaton in for the home run threat. I also have long-term concerns about Slaton's durability, but that remains to be seen. All I know for sure is that when Slaton draws contact, he usually goes backward.

i've seen slaton break tackles, definitely... to me, he pretty much is domanick davis, only with that added explosive element.

in regards to my "big back theory", i'm thinking of a back in the mold of james davis, RB out of clemson. he's big enough to push the pile, and this would help A LOT in goal line situations. slaton hasn't had too much difficulty as of yet in that department, but it just makes sense to have a larger, more punishing back in those types of situations. and also, as i stated previously, it would give defensive coordinators nightmares having to gameplan for slaton and somebody else who brings that power element to the table.

Polo
10-22-2008, 11:16 AM
Slaton has broken plenty tackles...He's even run a few folks over...

I think he's shown that he's more than capable of being an everydown back...

281
10-22-2008, 11:18 AM
As for DE, I may be alone in thinking we don't necessarily need to draft one that high this year. Maybe a pass-rush specialist in the second day.

i agree, we could potentially find a pass rushing specialist in day two... but i think this is most pressing need, by far... which is why i wouldn't mind at all if it was addressed with a mid to late first round pick (if we can put ourselves in that position).

Yankee_In_TX
10-22-2008, 11:18 AM
The announcers said last Sunday that Kubiak informed them that he was quite happy with the state of the linebacking corp, and that the rotations on the DL and secondary were his biggest concerns.

I think Ryans and Diles have been working out nicely, and Greenwood has been solid if unspectacular with a developing Abidi ready to take over as soon as he can.

I do remember saying quite a few times Sunday "when did Diles get good?" Here's to hoping he keeps it up.

281
10-22-2008, 11:19 AM
Slaton has broken plenty tackles...He's even run a few folks over...

I think he's shown that he's more than capable of being an everydown back...

he is most definitely capable, but can his body take the beating?.. that's something i DON'T want to find out the hard way.

he's way too talented to be mishandled.

Polo
10-22-2008, 11:23 AM
I'm not worried about Steve...I think that every back could use a good compliment...

eriadoc
10-22-2008, 11:24 AM
Of course he's broken tackles. And I like Slaton as an every-down back, But Slaton gets pushed back far more often than he breaks tackles, especially when the defense knows we're going to run the ball.

Like I said, if you still have any '04 games recorded, go back and watch DD and compare to Slaton today. They aren't the same back. Slaton is quicker and faster, but DD has a shiftiness to him that Slaton doesn't.

DBCooper
10-22-2008, 11:24 AM
Slaton has broken plenty tackles...He's even run a few folks over...

I think he's shown that he's more than capable of being an everydown back...

He is not an every down back.

We need a big bruiser in there also.

281
10-22-2008, 11:26 AM
Like I said, if you still have any '04 games recorded, go back and watch DD and compare to Slaton today. They aren't the same back. Slaton is quicker and faster, but DD has a shiftiness to him that Slaton doesn't.

who would you rather have though? haha. for me, that's an easy decision.

eriadoc
10-22-2008, 11:28 AM
He is not an every down back.

We need a big bruiser in there also.

I almost edited my post above, but I'll just add it here. I would rephrase to say that Slaton is an any down back, meaning you can have him in there at any given time. But when the defense knows we're running, we need someone who can move the pile for a yard and pick up that tough first down/TD.

DBCooper
10-22-2008, 11:30 AM
I almost edited my post above, but I'll just add it here. I would rephrase to say that Slaton is an any down back, meaning you can have him in there at any given time. But when the defense knows we're running, we need someone who can move the pile for a yard and pick up that tough first down/TD.

I agree with that.

eriadoc
10-22-2008, 11:30 AM
who would you rather have though? haha. for me, that's an easy decision.

If it's an easy decision for you, then you're short selling DD. The guy put up some great numbers. Slaton may surpass those numbers, and I'd be happy as a clam about that. But it hasn't happened yet, and I won't discount what DD did for this team when he played.

Ideally, I'd like Slaton to have that vision and shiftiness that DD possessed, while maintaining the speed and quickness, and also having power to bull over people. So in short, I want Earl back :D

DBCooper
10-22-2008, 11:36 AM
Ideally, I'd like Slaton to have that vision and shiftiness that DD possessed, while maintaining the speed and quickness, and also having power to bull over people. So in short, I want Earl back :D

Not with those knees.

lol

Polo
10-22-2008, 11:37 AM
Slaton just needs to get an off-season of NFL weight training under his belt...

I think he's already capable of getting tough yardage, but when he bulks up a little he'll be even better at it...

DiehardChris
10-22-2008, 11:39 AM
are you kidding me? he's been one of the best, if not THE best, defensive tackles in the league for a couple of years now. he would make this defense CONSIDERABLY better, and that's not a stretch.

Yeah, exactly. Last year he was probably the best DT in the league - and he was playing for a long term deal. This year - probably the best DT in the league - and he's again playing for a long term deal. Both times he was in the midst of a one year contract.

DBCooper
10-22-2008, 11:45 AM
Yeah, exactly. Last year he was probably the best DT in the league - and he was playing for a long term deal. This year - probably the best DT in the league - and he's again playing for a long term deal. Both times he was in the midst of a one year contract.

Fat Albert would make us better and the Titans worse.

What more could you want?

DiehardChris
10-22-2008, 11:55 AM
Fat Albert would make us better and the Titans worse.

What more could you want?

I'd be fine with that - but you have to understand that he's probably going to be getting the BIGGEST contract of any free agent this off-season, if not one of the biggest. For that kind of money, he needs to be a sure thing - and he's never been this good without being in a one-year contract situation. Why do you guys think the Titans didn't lock him up this past off-season?

Also, consider this - we're going to have to be thinking about locking up Owen Daniels (not a free agent for a couple more years - but scheduled to make 500K next year. They're going to want to re-do that deal), Dunta Robinson (free agent at the end of this year), and DeMeco Ryans (two years left on his deal that pays him 445K this season (!!!) and 950K next season).

So those are three big contracts that the Texans will be taking care of before the start of next season... they've already gone public with their desire to take care of DeMeco soon - and that's going to be a pretty huge deal... and Daniels is so cheap, there's no way they go into another season of him making as little as he is.

The point is - Haynesworth would be a GREAT signing if he wasn't going to command such a MASSIVE contract. There's just no way we can afford to take the chance with all the other guys we still need to sign on our own team. Fat Albert is likely going to be the highest paid D-lineman in the history of the NFL with his next contract. We can't do that deal, nor should we.

dc_txtech
10-22-2008, 12:41 PM
I would be irate if the Texans spent anything higher than a fourth on a RB. All we need is a mediocre back who can come in and give Slaton a breather. Green has been exactly what we need to compliment Slaton although I'm sure he won't be here next year (or possibly next week). Bring in a FA or spend a late round pick but I just don't think we need anything more than a ten carry per game back. Slaton looks to me to be the real deal. He can punch it in against a goal line offense or take it 80 yards to the house. He just needs somebody to keep him fresh.

First 3 picks need to be DE, LB, S in no particular order, IMO. We also need a big space eating DT to clog the middle. Until we do that we will never be great at stopping the run and Amobi will not be able to reach his full potential.

281
10-22-2008, 12:55 PM
All we need is a mediocre back who can come in and give Slaton a breather.

you should NEVER settle for mediocrity AT ANY POSITION, even with backups... the aim is to get the best players on your team all across the board to add competition and obviously win more games.

your statement reflects EXACTLY what the texans were doing 2002-2005.

ObsiWan
10-22-2008, 02:09 PM
I would be irate if the Texans spent anything higher than a fourth on a RB. All we need is a mediocre back who can come in and give Slaton a breather. Green has been exactly what we need to compliment Slaton although I'm sure he won't be here next year (or possibly next week). Bring in a FA or spend a late round pick but I just don't think we need anything more than a ten carry per game back. Slaton looks to me to be the real deal. He can punch it in against a goal line offense or take it 80 yards to the house. He just needs somebody to keep him fresh.

First 3 picks need to be DE, LB, S in no particular order, IMO. We also need a big space eating DT to clog the middle. Until we do that we will never be great at stopping the run and Amobi will not be able to reach his full potential.

While I cannot agree with the "all we need is a mediocre back" statement, I do agree with those that believe this needs to be defensive minded draft.

1. DB, preferrably a safety with speed/range
2. OLB; Greenwood's spot needs an upgrade.
3. speed DE or two-gap DT. Weaver must go and Okoye isn't effective stopping 3rd & short.
4-7. No particular order:
- OL, probably a swing OT (Salaam can't have more than 1-2 yrs left even as a backup) or a C/G to push Myers or replace Studdard and/or Jackson.
- big RB with some speed (is there Brandon Jacobs clone out there??). I agree some thunder to go with our lightning would really be sweet - especially on 3rd & short.
- a big blocking TE who can also catch. Like Salaam, Bruener's reaching the end of the trail. Time to draft his replacement.

A defensive coordinator who knows what to do with all these "new tools" would be nice too. How much longer will we keep giving the monkey, that is Richard Smith, the chainsaw that is the talent on our defense?

Spike
10-22-2008, 02:41 PM
I would be irate if the Texans spent anything higher than a fourth on a RB. All we need is a mediocre back who can come in and give Slaton a breather. Green has been exactly what we need to compliment Slaton although I'm sure he won't be here next year (or possibly next week). Bring in a FA or spend a late round pick but I just don't think we need anything more than a ten carry per game back. Slaton looks to me to be the real deal. He can punch it in against a goal line offense or take it 80 yards to the house. He just needs somebody to keep him fresh.

First 3 picks need to be DE, LB, S in no particular order, IMO. We also need a big space eating DT to clog the middle. Until we do that we will never be great at stopping the run and Amobi will not be able to reach his full potential.

I agree with you here. It would be nice to have a first day RB or interior OL, but this team should spend all first day picks on the defensive side of the ball. I like identifying DE, LB and S - With Dunta coming back and getting his legs back this season, I think we will be fine at CB so long as Bennett and/or Molden continue to improve or develop. In free agency, our biggest priority should be locking up Ryans.

The offense isn't perfect, but I don't see any major needs with this group. I like the idea of a big, bruising type back - but at the very least you need someone to fill Green's role this season and take 1/3 of the snaps. Maybe you can find someone on the cheap in free agency. I think the OL will continue to gel and improve, but we'll need to constantly find and bring in guys who who fit the zone blocking scheme and hope you can find one or two guys that will develop into starters. In free agency, our biggest priotiy should be locking up Daniels.

dc_txtech
10-22-2008, 02:42 PM
you should NEVER settle for mediocrity AT ANY POSITION, even with backups... the aim is to get the best players on your team all across the board to add competition and obviously win more games.

your statement reflects EXACTLY what the texans were doing 2002-2005.

Well perhaps mediocre wasn't the best word to use. But you advocate using our second round pick to draft a complement to Slaton. IMO, that is a pick that could be better used elsewhere. Would I like to pair Slaton with Adrian Peterson? Yes. Is it necessary? No. I think Slaton is good enough to carry 75% of the load. So to use a second round pick on a position of strength that is only going to be on the field 25% of the time, would be a mismanagement of resources IMO.

I consider guys like Buckhalter and Betts to be mediocre backs and I would gladly have either of them complementing Slaton. Look at NY, they have two 7th round picks spelling B.Jacobs and they have both looked great. If we can get lucky and get an "elite" running back in the 4th-7th round then that's great. If not I would settle for a "mediocre" running back that can come in and pick up a steady 4 yards per carry and take some of the burden off Slaton. Shouldn't be too hard to find considering the blocking system we have implemented. Definitely no reason to spend a first day pick.

And I agree that we should try to get the best players on our team at every position. The problem is we have a limited amount of draft picks and cap space to do so. We have so many needs on defense that it makes no sense to start drafting for depth on offense.

The Pencil Neck
10-22-2008, 03:01 PM
slaton can only take so many carries... he's not gonna survive larry johnson-type carries in a season. a larger, young back would definitely add a change of pace and a much needed breather for slaton. come on, who else do we have?... ahman green, who's probably playing his last season for us? chris taylor, who lands on the IR every season? i agree that slaton is gonna be the man in houston for a long time, but he NEEDS a 1a.

No one survives Larry Johnson-type carries in a season. Not even Larry Johnson. Historically not even the biggest horses in the game average more than about 23 carries per game over an entire season.

I think Slaton will be fine getting about 15 carries a game which is what he's getting now and I think that's good enough for him to be the #1 option. I think we need a guy like Green to be the #2 and to pick up another 10 carries. And although he could be a bruiser type of back which would be nice in those short yardage situations, it could be another Slatonesque kind of back.

IMO.

superdave532
10-22-2008, 05:31 PM
are you kidding me? he's been one of the best, if not THE best, defensive tackles in the league for a couple of years now. he would make this defense CONSIDERABLY better, and that's not a stretch.

I also agree with DiehardChris on this one 281, I like everything else you said in your first post but Haynesworth didn't come on until he was playing for next year's money. He is franchised this year, right? I believe that even after he signs his (what will very likely be a record) contract, he will be a decent, likely solid player, but he'll won't come close to matching his statistics from the last couple years. Plus, I still can't get over the fact that he stomped on that one guy's head when he didn't have a helmet on. Yeah he hasn't done it again, but that's because he's playing for that big contract.