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Hagar
10-19-2008, 08:43 PM
Its starting to look awfully grim y'all. I decided to focus on one player today and that was Amobi Okoya. When he was in the game, which was most plays, I watched no one but him. I'll have to say, I was very, very disappointed. He's not firing off hard, he's not shucking blocks, and he's not hussling to the ball. Basically, he's not doing anything at all and his numbers show it too. Including today, Amobi has 9 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles.

I hope the best for him and that he turns this around, but I'm pulling out the "B" word. Given his play this season and his lack of progress, he looks like a BUST.

Norg
10-19-2008, 08:47 PM
Not Bust yet

hes young give him 2 more years lets not cut him loose yet

ATXtexanfan
10-19-2008, 08:49 PM
Hard to argue the bust label, how's patrick willis doing?

LORK 88
10-19-2008, 08:53 PM
Most football players his age are juniors in college right now. We knew when we drafted him that we were going to have to wait a bit to see what kind of football player he could turn in to.

J-Russ
10-19-2008, 08:56 PM
Most football players his age are juniors in college right now. We knew when we drafted him that we were going to have to wait a bit to see what kind of football player he could turn in to.

Yep. I said the same thing everytime someone wants to mention that Amobi is a bust. They never listen though, seems like they can only hear the negative stuff.

TheRealJoker
10-19-2008, 09:02 PM
DLs have a 2-3 year adjustment period. At this point he is a pass rush specialist, he doesn't hold the point of attack against the run. I really thought this would be his breakout game but I guess not.

HJam72
10-19-2008, 09:03 PM
I don't mind him being a pass-rush specialist, but he has no sacks. :cool:

Mari-OWNED!
10-19-2008, 09:07 PM
I agree with everyone that says we need to wait and give him more time to develop. Obviously he hasn't done much this season so far, but I think he has a lot of potential. We're just used to the fact that Mario got good really quick. Other players take a little more time. A little patience before we call him a bust.

utahmark
10-19-2008, 09:15 PM
its way to early and he's way to young for that. i thought you were talking about another "b" word.

thunderkyss
10-19-2008, 09:21 PM
Most football players his age are juniors in college right now. We knew when we drafted him that we were going to have to wait a bit to see what kind of football player he could turn in to.

We need to figure out what we want to do on DL first of all.

We don't have a NT..... the only pressure we get from the middle, is when we put a DE in at tackle....... Cochran or Weaver.

I like TJ, but if Amobi is ever going to be what we want him to be, we're going to have to get a real starting NT.

prostock101
10-19-2008, 09:42 PM
Has anyone notice Bulman's play? I never hear Okoye's or Weaver's number called but I have noticed him the last two games.

Hagar
10-19-2008, 10:02 PM
Most football players his age are juniors in college right now. We knew when we drafted him that we were going to have to wait a bit to see what kind of football player he could turn in to.If he wasn't ready to play with the big boys, then he should have stayed in school. When you make someone a #10 pick, he has to contribute now. Not in 3 - 4 year.

Its time for him to step up.

TexansFanatic
10-19-2008, 10:13 PM
I'd be more inclined to call Richard Smith a bust. Let's see Amobi can do with a real defensive coordinator before we give up on him.

J-Russ
10-19-2008, 10:15 PM
If he wasn't ready to play with the big boys, then he should have stayed in school. When you make someone a #10 pick, he has to contribute now. Not in 3 - 4 year.

Its time for him to step up.

He was a senior in college.... I guess he could've been a super-senior and wait it out another year or two sitting around twiddling his thumb. He had already used up all his playing abilities in college.

Grid
10-19-2008, 10:23 PM
The term "sophomore slump" isnt so popular because of its rarity.

Spike
10-19-2008, 10:25 PM
He was a senior in college.... I guess he could've been a super-senior and wait it out another year or two sitting around twiddling his thumb. He had already used up all his playing abilities in college.

Whether he was a senior or not is not the real issue. The question is whether the Texans would have taken Amobi with the #10 pick if they knew that this would be his production after a season and a half. I don't think so.

If they took him with the 10th pick thinking that it would take him longer to develop than another lineman who was a little older, then it was a mistake to take him so early. Even if he did mature in the time frame that they thought, they may not have their jobs to see him succeed.

J-Russ
10-19-2008, 10:27 PM
Whether he was a senior or not is not the real issue. The question is whether the Texans would have taken Amobi with the #10 pick if they knew that this would be his production after a season and a half. I don't think so.

If they took him with the 10th pick thinking that it would take him longer to develop than another lineman who was a little older, then it was a mistake to take him so early. Even if he did mature in the time frame that they thought, they may not have their jobs to see him succeed.

My response was meant for his 'if he wasn't ready then he should of stay in school' comment.

Let me use your logic though. If the teams that was drafting in front of us knew that he would've been as productive as he was by the end of the season in his rookie year, then he would've been long gone before it was our turn to pick. 20 year old rookie with 5.5 sack, Tommie Harris and Warren Sapp didn't even produced that many sack in their rookie season.

Goldensilence
10-19-2008, 10:45 PM
Was he a bust when he managed 5 sacks in his rookie season?

Hagar you don't do your argument any favor when you can't even spell his name right or forget he was a senior at 19 when we drafted him.Can we please give player 3 years before we use the word bust with a player?

I'm curious can you even name the last DT drafted that has made an immediate impact?

Shaft75
10-19-2008, 11:02 PM
If he wasn't ready to play with the big boys, then he should have stayed in school. When you make someone a #10 pick, he has to contribute now. Not in 3 - 4 year.

Its time for him to step up.

A bust is usually defined by a breakout plyer that was picked after the "bust" player. So yeah... He is really working on that label.
Time for this highly paid first rounder to start earning his keep.

What has happened since the beginning of last season???

disaacks3
10-19-2008, 11:14 PM
If he wasn't ready to play with the big boys, then he should have stayed in school. When you make someone a #10 pick, he has to contribute now. Not in 3 - 4 year.

Its time for him to step up. You're taking a beating on this, but I DO agree that at a #10 slot, you expect someone who can produce "right away". This particular pick is a mild exception to that rule for the reasons everyone else is harping on. The kid is still going to be on/off for awhile.

The calculated upside of all of this is that IF he gets it together by end of year three...we'll have a "seasoned VET" at the age of an incoming rookie with a promising future ahead.

Texans Horror
10-20-2008, 04:52 AM
I hoped for more from Amobi in his second year, but yeah, his age is giving him a walk for this year. But I don't expect that to last much longer than this year.

alphajoker
10-20-2008, 06:59 AM
Hard to argue the bust label, how's patrick willis doing?

I won't give him the bust label yet, but I do wonder how much more improved our LB core would be if we drafted Willis. Oh well, coulda, shoulda, woulda.

BattleRedToro
10-20-2008, 07:00 AM
If by "B" word you mean bench, then I'd say that I can see that. He has struggled in several of the games so far this year. Maybe coming of the bench in pass rushing only downs would work, but the coaches probably want him to get experience at every kind of down and distance situation so as to not limit his rate of improvement. Think of these first two seasons as learning on the job for him.

BigBull17
10-20-2008, 07:14 AM
I won't give him the bust label yet, but I do wonder how much more improved our LB core would be if we drafted Willis. Oh well, coulda, shoulda, woulda.

Thats what pissed me off about the pick. There was a bonafied stud at LB, a guy who could have mover Demeco to OLB to reduce his wear and tear, and they passed it for "raw potential". Im tired of that shit.

Second Honeymoon
10-20-2008, 08:52 AM
Okoye is progressingly slowly if at all, but such is the price of drafting such a young player. Hopefully, he will mature and turn into a player worthy of his draft pick, but I wouldn't count on it. He may not have the edge that you need to be a top NFL Defensive Tackle. We shall see.

I would like him to play under at least a somewhat capable defensive coordinator, which is something we are lacking in Houston. Richard Smith is just a freaking horrible coach. Period.

Hagar
10-20-2008, 09:15 AM
Was he a bust when he managed 5 sacks in his rookie season?

Hagar you don't do your argument any favor when you can't even spell his name right or forget he was a senior at 19 when we drafted him.Can we please give player 3 years before we use the word bust with a player?

I'm curious can you even name the last DT drafted that has made an immediate impact?Well, didn't know this was a spelling bee, but to answer your questions, how about these two:

Glenn Dorsey has 17 tackles already and a forced fumble.
Tank Taylor - 25 tackles

Amobi had 5 sacks at the begining of the season and then fell off the face of the earth and for what ever reason, hasn't come back. I don't want to call this kid a bust because that's what he is "a kid" but its time to grow up.

Texan JBZ
10-20-2008, 10:28 AM
Give it up Hagar. You'll never win this argument. I said a lot of the things you were saying about Amobi in the preseason. I made a thread about it too and got most of the same responses that you are getting. I updated my feelings on Amobi after the Pittsburgh game and got more of the same. Yet, Amobi has done nothing at all to refute my dissatisfaction with him so far. I'm with you, he was a #10 pick. That's a high draft pick for someone who hasn't produced worth a flip in the last 14-16 games.

I was also critical in my thread about Amobi on-guess what-his technique. He was playing too high then, still playing too high now. He had no burst off the ball then, still no burst off the ball now. He wasn't strong at the point of attack then,still..well, you get the picture. If no one has noticed, Deljuan Robinson and Earl Cochran have been taking a lot of playing time away from Amobi. That's two undrafted players taking playing time away from the #10 pick. And before you bring up his age, Robinson and Cochran are of similar age to him. I'm not ready to call him a bust yet, but he is an underachiever.

Vinny
10-20-2008, 10:31 AM
Well, I had some great company at the game with Cloak (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/member.php?do=getinfo&u=57) and Feebs (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3482) and told them I'd watch Okoye closely today so I used CloakNNNdaggers outstanding binoculars on Okoye much of the game from the 50 yard line and I came away with a negative opinion of his game...I told my friends I'd watch him closely today and he can't shed blocks to save his life and gets run out of plays and redirected with ease. He's on the ground too much to suit my tastes as well.

Double Barrel
10-20-2008, 10:37 AM
This team cannot afford the luxury of "project players". Let established, winning teams use their picks on guys that need long development cycles. We need instant impact players, guys that can contribute early on in their Texans careers. Amobi is not that kind of player. Hopefully we see him develop into something worth keeping over the next year or so, because that's all we can hope for right now.

Vinny
10-20-2008, 10:39 AM
This team cannot afford the luxury of "project players". Let established, winning teams use their picks on guys that need long development cycles. We need instant impact players, guys that can contribute early on in their Texans careers. Amobi is not that kind of player. Hopefully we see him develop into something worth keeping over the next year or so, because that's all we can hope for right now.that is all we can do since he has zero trade value and we can't unpick him and take Reevis or Willis.

BigBull17
10-20-2008, 11:37 AM
Well, I had some great company at the game with Cloak (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/member.php?do=getinfo&u=57) and Feebs (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3482) and told them I'd watch Okoye closely today so I used CloakNNNdaggers outstanding binoculars on Okoye much of the game from the 50 yard line and I came away with a negative opinion of his game...I told my friends I'd watch him closely today and he can't shed blocks to save his life and gets run out of plays and redirected with ease. He's on the ground too much to suit my tastes as well.

He does that alot. He rushes the pass so well, he keeps on going and doesnt stop at the proper depth. Just keeps going and gives room to step up. Cochran(sp) doesnt have that problem.

dalemurphy
10-20-2008, 11:44 AM
Well, I had some great company at the game with Cloak (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/member.php?do=getinfo&u=57) and Feebs (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3482) and told them I'd watch Okoye closely today so I used CloakNNNdaggers outstanding binoculars on Okoye much of the game from the 50 yard line and I came away with a negative opinion of his game...I told my friends I'd watch him closely today and he can't shed blocks to save his life and gets run out of plays and redirected with ease. He's on the ground too much to suit my tastes as well.

I didn't watch him much this week. However, he has been getting very good initial penetration but hasn't made many plays. I think you're on to something that he can be redirected- that's probably going on. And, you're right, he doesn't shed the blocks. He may burst through but they are usually still engaging him. I'm not too worried though because I think this will be corrected when he adds some strength and improves his technique. He's looked stronger at the point of attack to me this season over last season.

Errant Hothy
10-20-2008, 11:59 AM
This team cannot afford the luxury of "project players". Let established, winning teams use their picks on guys that need long development cycles. We need instant impact players, guys that can contribute early on in their Texans careers. Amobi is not that kind of player. Hopefully we see him develop into something worth keeping over the next year or so, because that's all we can hope for right now.

The "impact" rookie DT is one of the rarest players in the NFL. It's a position where technique and expeirence matter just as much, if not more, then physical ability; and that takes time (more then 2 seasons).

I agree that it appears that Amobi has regressed some this year, but it's way to early to label him a bust. His age should also be taken into consideration.

Vinny
10-20-2008, 12:07 PM
I agree that it appears that Amobi has regressed some this year, but it's way to early to label him a bust. His age should also be taken into consideration.I wouldn't label him as a bust right now either but he isn't very good right now, bottom line. I think we need to bring him off the bench and also swap Bullman for Weaver...it boggles my mind that we don't bench Okoye and Weaver, at least as starters.

Maddict5
10-20-2008, 12:51 PM
Thats what pissed me off about the pick. There was a bonafied stud at LB, a guy who could have mover Demeco to OLB to reduce his wear and tear, and they passed it for "raw potential". Im tired of that shit.

and this time last yr, mario was a bust who had raw potential.. you'd think we'd learn :rolleyes:

im not saying amobi will be a stud, im just saying hes even younger than mario was but its too early to be calling him anything

dskillz
10-20-2008, 01:02 PM
Most football players his age are juniors in college right now. We knew when we drafted him that we were going to have to wait a bit to see what kind of football player he could turn in to.

So with your theory, he will be out of his rookie contract before he starts to produce. Going to be interesting to see how McNair feels about giving him a 2nd contract based on "potential".

What bothers me is Kubiak's hint dropping about Amobi's work ethic. In radio interviews he seems to take shots at how hard he is working. If that is the case, he will never reach his potential.

Runner
10-20-2008, 01:08 PM
I think we need to bring him off the bench and also swap Bullman for Weaver...it boggles my mind that we don't bench Okoye and Weaver, at least as starters.

The Texans have a history of starting people based on salary or draft position. I wonder how they compare to other teams in that regard. I think there is probably a good amount of playing lesser players in hopes of them steppng up or just to save face.

It should be about getting the best players on the field, but often it isn't.

HoustonFrog
10-20-2008, 01:54 PM
My problem with pro-Amobi arguments is that they are using his age as a plus, as in, "he still needs some seasoning at his age." The problem with this 3-4 year plan is that you keep picking in the Top 10 if you keep taking projects that high. They knew his age and that his development might be slow. Why take the pick at 10 then?These are the things that frustrate me. The arguments seem legit but if you look at it from a franchise stand point they don't make sense. At this juncture get as many playmakers as possible.

Vinny
10-20-2008, 01:56 PM
My problem with pro-Amobi arguments is that they are using his age as plus, as in, "he still needs some seasoning at his age." The problem with this 3-4 year plan is that you keep picking in the Top 10 if you keep taking projects that high. they new his age and that his development might be slow. Why take the pick at 10 then?These are the things that frustrate me. The arguments seem legit but if you look at it from a franchise stand point they don't make sense. At these junctures as many playmakes as possible are needed.What happens is that when the player finally gets his 3 years of "training" he is eligible for free agency...so you either give him some experience for another team or you sign him and hope he becomes the player you want...one day. That's kinda what McNair did with David Carr. They based his second contract (or extension) on spec just like the first one.

BigBull17
10-20-2008, 02:57 PM
and this time last yr, mario was a bust who had raw potential.. you'd think we'd learn :rolleyes:

im not saying amobi will be a stud, im just saying hes even younger than mario was but its too early to be calling him anything

Yeah, but Mario showed alot more flashes. Amobi has shown nada.

Errant Hothy
10-20-2008, 03:11 PM
Yeah, but Mario showed alot more flashes. Amobi has shown nada.

Since when did 5 sacks as a rookie equal nada?

Vinny
10-20-2008, 03:27 PM
Since when did 5 sacks as a rookie equal nada?people used to hang on to Carr's completion stats as if they defined how good he was...just sayin'.

Errant Hothy
10-20-2008, 04:19 PM
people used to hang on to Carr's completion stats as if they defined how good he was...just sayin'.

Ture, but when the poster says that Mario had shown "flashes" then to say that Amobi has shown nada struck me as a massive under-valuing of how well Amobi started last season. Let's not forget that Amobi did record more sacks as a rookie, from the DT spot, then Mario did. By BigBull17's logic Mario showed nada, not "flashes".

NBT
10-20-2008, 04:37 PM
I don't see how we can put Amobi on a bust until he gets a DC worthy of the name. One who can direct a penetrating, aggressive defense. Whether this is just Richard Smith, or Kubiak's insecurity remains to be seen.

Brando
10-20-2008, 04:45 PM
I wouldn't label him as a bust right now either but he isn't very good right now, bottom line. I think we need to bring him off the bench and also swap Bullman for Weaver...it boggles my mind that we don't bench Okoye and Weaver, at least as starters.


I don't see why they don't either, they didn't have a problem with benching Bennett for Faggins.

I don't think Okoye is a bust, maybe he will have a stronger second of the season this year compared to getting off to a hot start last season and then hitting the rookie wall.

maddogmrb
10-20-2008, 06:50 PM
Give it up Hagar. You'll never win this argument. I said a lot of the things you were saying about Amobi in the preseason. I made a thread about it too and got most of the same responses that you are getting. I updated my feelings on Amobi after the Pittsburgh game and got more of the same. Yet, Amobi has done nothing at all to refute my dissatisfaction with him so far. I'm with you, he was a #10 pick. That's a high draft pick for someone who hasn't produced worth a flip in the last 14-16 games.

I was also critical in my thread about Amobi on-guess what-his technique. He was playing too high then, still playing too high now. He had no burst off the ball then, still no burst off the ball now. He wasn't strong at the point of attack then,still..well, you get the picture. If no one has noticed, Deljuan Robinson and Earl Cochran have been taking a lot of playing time away from Amobi. That's two undrafted players taking playing time away from the #10 pick. And before you bring up his age, Robinson and Cochran are of similar age to him. I'm not ready to call him a bust yet, but he is an underachiever.


Agreed but, I believe Cochran and Robinson are older and more experienced than him.

I posted when they drafted him that he would probably be over his head mentally and physically. I've also posted several times that his style of play makes him a better DE than DT.

A team in the Texans position (or any team for that matter) doesn't draft a guy #10 expecting to wait 3-5 years for him to develop.

Of course, the DC is a factor in this, too.....

Texan JBZ
10-20-2008, 06:58 PM
Agreed but, I believe Cochran and Robinson are older and more experienced than him.

Nope. This is Cochran's 4th year and this is only Robinson's 2nd year.

Hagar
10-20-2008, 11:06 PM
Nope. This is Cochran's 4th year and this is only Robinson's 2nd year.You're also talking about an undrafted free agent vs. a #10 selection overall. I'll give UDA's the benefit of the doubt and time to grow into the position. But, the #10 selection should hit the ground running.

I don't want anyone here to think I don't like the guy, but he has to start producing. As one of the other posters suggested, maybe he's better suited to play DE.

Texan JBZ
10-20-2008, 11:11 PM
You're also talking about an undrafted free agent vs. a #10 selection overall. I'll give UDA's the benefit of the doubt and time to grow into the position. But, the #10 selection should hit the ground running.

I don't want anyone here to think I don't like the guy, but he has to start producing. As one of the other posters suggested, maybe he's better suited to play DE.

Right. Two undrafted free agents are taking significant playing time away from a #10 selection. That's troubling. And moving him to DE in a 4-3 won't work. He's not fast or big enough for that.

Hagar
10-20-2008, 11:17 PM
Right. Two undrafted free agents are taking significant playing time away from a #10 selection. That's troubling. And moving him to DE in a 4-3 won't work. He's not fast or big enough for that. Well, you've got to earn the right to be on the field and if our top draft choices are playing well, then put someone else in there.

If Amobi isn't big enough for DE, then he isn't big enough for DT.

Texan JBZ
10-20-2008, 11:22 PM
Well, you've got to earn the right to be on the field and if our top draft choices are playing well, then put someone else in there.

If Amobi isn't big enough for DE, then he isn't big enough for DT.

He's plenty big enough for a DT. He's just not good enough right now. Most 4-3 DEs range from 6'4"-6'6" 265-290 pounds. He just doesn't fit the bill. Face it, we're stuck with him until he decides to play better.

maddogmrb
10-21-2008, 08:57 AM
He's plenty big enough for a DT. He's just not good enough right now. Most 4-3 DEs range from 6'4"-6'6" 265-290 pounds. He just doesn't fit the bill. Face it, we're stuck with him until he decides to play better.

You're so right. Demeco Ryans can't play MLB either...... he just doesn't fit the bill.......

Texan JBZ
10-21-2008, 09:28 AM
You're so right. Demeco Ryans can't play MLB either...... he just doesn't fit the bill.......

What??? Demeco Ryans is 6'1" and around 240lbs. That's plenty big to play MLB. Most MLB are around 6'0"-6'2" 240-255lb range anyway. I don't understand where you are coming from with that. If it's to try and refute my belief that Amobi is the not the right size to play a 4-3 DE, then you need to check and see what size most teams that run a 4-3 have their DEs at. Plus, Amobi is way to damn slow to be an edge rusher. Wayyyyy to slow.

gtexan02
10-21-2008, 09:45 AM
Now that we Tim Bulman, I'm happy to let TJ and AO work in a rotation next to him

bigbrewster2000
10-21-2008, 10:02 AM
Now that we Tim Bulman, I'm happy to let TJ and AO work in a rotation next to him

That is an interesting verb. :cool: I will be right back im going to go Tim Bulman real quick.

barrett
10-21-2008, 10:37 AM
i drank a little too much last night and when i woke up i had a monster tim bulman.

bigbrewster2000
10-21-2008, 10:53 AM
Dang it my Tim Bulman is acting up again.:pirate:

kcdoubleeagle
10-21-2008, 10:56 AM
I must admit that this Okoye Bust thread is making me a little depressed. Tim Bulman...Tim Bulman this thread to HELL!

bigbrewster2000
10-21-2008, 11:03 AM
I must admit that this Okoye Bust thread is making me a little depressed. Tim Bulman...Tim Bulman this thread to HELL!

Yeah thats what I was thinking, you guys need to stop being Tim Bulman's and get over this bust talk.

BigBull17
10-21-2008, 11:16 AM
I felt the same way about AO over PW as I did TJ over DJ.

We could have Derrick Johnson, Demeco Ryans, and Patrick Willis as our LB core... and you can't argue that DT's taken later couldn't produce like AO and TJ so far. At least to the point where we'd be better off...

ugh...

Thats a slight upgrade to Ryans Greenwood, and Diles... Just sayin...

BigBull17
10-21-2008, 11:17 AM
Since when did 5 sacks as a rookie equal nada?

Because, the rest of the time, he got planted or rusher 14 yards up field. Thats awful

Hervoyel
10-21-2008, 11:23 AM
Gentlemen the silver lining here is that Okoye is so young and that you would expect him to struggle at this point in his career. No, he's not going to be an overnight phenom or revolutionize the DT position. That doesn't mean he won't grow into the spot and pay off in another year or so.

To my mind we have three guys who are likely set starters IF they grow into those roles the way the coaches think they can. Those are Okoye, Diles, and Bennett. Add them to Williams, Ryans, and Robinson and (if all goes as planned) you have 6 out of 11 starters in place. Get a couple more in next years draft and you're looking at 8 out of 11 spots covered. 8 quality starters and 3 placeholders isn't far off the league average and it's a good enough defense to win with.

That's assuming the young guys we're high on right now live up to their expectations. It's far too early to call Okoye a bust. He's got a lot of growing up to do and we always knew that was the case. He was a first round project.

beerlover
10-21-2008, 11:28 AM
Defensive linemen are hard to project, unless they are just mad specimens. I like the way Amobi has developed so far, the coaching staff also recognizes he has limitations & not a everydown tackle, which leads me to believe he may be more of a strong side DE. just saying, stuffs hard to project but he is a player & hes smart so he'll figure it out.

kcdoubleeagle
10-21-2008, 03:38 PM
iF Okoye is not a mad specimen...why draft him so high at a young age? I thought we drafted him because of his huge upside ( which to me would translate as being a mad specimen ).......

TheRealJoker
10-21-2008, 03:57 PM
Thats a slight upgrade to Ryans Greenwood, and Diles... Just sayin...

Care to expand on how adding an extra all pro LB and a solid starter is only a slight upgrade over the current group?

TheRealJoker
10-21-2008, 03:59 PM
iF Okoye is not a mad specimen...why draft him so high at a young age? I thought we drafted him because of his huge upside ( which to me would translate as being a mad specimen ).......

Okoye has shown flashes of Warren Sapp type pass rushing ability since college. I think it was Rick Smith who said after the draft that there are very few DTs with that type of a first step but Okoye is one of them. Obviously if you want that first step you have to pay a premium and in this case you have to wait till his strength at the point of attack catches up with the pass rushing potential.

He's not a mad specimen like Mario but he does have his special qualities about him.

TheRealJoker
10-21-2008, 04:05 PM
Here is a little tidbit on everyone's least favorite opposing player Fat Albert:

http://www.nfl.com/players/alberthaynesworth/profile?id=HAY746506

Fatso is currently in his 7th year in the league. He wasn't regarded as the force he is now until he got into a contract year last season and got that tub of lard he cause glutes moving to get that money.

Fat Albert didn't start living up to his potential until the 6th season. He came out a year early sure, but he was still older than Okoye when he came out.

We've spent 4 seasons with TJ and still no signs of a 1st round pick player. Lets give Okoye at least that long before we start labeling him as a "B".

After thinking about it however, even if Okoye pans out I dont think he was the best pick at the time for this franchise. We did not have the luxury of taking a project player in the top 10 given the holes on this team. We needed an immediate impact player and Patrick Willis, Marshawn Lynch, or Darrelle Reevis could've been that player for us. Alas, we made the decision and now we've gotta live with it so here's to Amobi being everything we want him to be and more sooner than later.

kcdoubleeagle
10-26-2008, 10:12 PM
didnt get a chance to watch the entire game....can anyone let me know how Okoye did today?

utahmark
10-26-2008, 10:17 PM
i noticed him early getting a lot of pressure. maybe 4 different times in the 1st quarter. was real close to a sack once and forced harvard man out of the pocket a couple of times. didnt really pay him any attention after that and he didnt do anything to make me take notice.

mexican_texan
10-26-2008, 10:18 PM
didnt get a chance to watch the entire game....can anyone let me know how Okoye did today?
He sure didn't play like a bust. He Tim Bulman'd his ass off out there.

DocBar
10-26-2008, 10:43 PM
Defensive linemen are hard to project, unless they are just mad specimens. I like the way Amobi has developed so far, the coaching staff also recognizes he has limitations & not a everydown tackle, which leads me to believe he may be more of a strong side DE. just saying, stuffs hard to project but he is a player & hes smart so he'll figure it out. AO is doing OK. He isn't holding the middle of the pocket well, though, and that opens up lrushing lanes for QB's...Jax game...

iF Okoye is not a mad specimen...why draft him so high at a young age? I thought we drafted him because of his huge upside ( which to me would translate as being a mad specimen )....... I hear a decisive note of Howard Cosell in your post..." I never played the game"...TJ is a BUST. He's not a mad specimen. He's just mad and it costs us 1st downs.

awtysst
10-26-2008, 11:15 PM
didnt get a chance to watch the entire game....can anyone let me know how Okoye did today?

He was getting pressure on Mr. Harvard. While he didn't get a sack he helped to do some disrupting. He also fell on the fumble that Mario caused.

Texan JBZ
10-27-2008, 01:05 AM
Still not impressed yet. I saw a couple of plays where he would get get pressure and run right by the QB. I saw one loop stunt, the one where Fitzpatrick got outside for that decent run, where he was supposed to have outside contain and let the QB outside. I saw a couple of running plays where he got mashed. Playing better than he was, but that's not saying a whole lot.

Carr Bombed
10-27-2008, 02:28 AM
He's a kid, some people forget that. Even when we drafted him people said it was going to take some time. It's one thing to dominate NCAA football as a snot nosed teenager, but in the NFL it's a different story.

bigbrewster2000
10-27-2008, 09:26 AM
He sure didn't play like a bust. He Tim Bulman'd his ass off out there.

One of the better uses of that verb so far:smiliedance: