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dalemurphy
10-15-2008, 04:11 PM
Part of this is about assessing the weaknesses of what looks like a good team right now... Then, I'm just excited about accumulating some more talent in the draft. Next season we should have as close to a complete team as you can have in the NFL.

Major Needs:
Center: Meyers is servicable. He holds up pretty well in pass protection but gets pushed around too much in running plays... He's simply a good backup to have.

Guard: Briesel just doesn't have it and neither does Studdard. I actually believe in Frye but we certainly need depth there.

RB: Slaton is about 1/2 the answer. I'm thrilled with him. However, though I was Bullish on CTaylor, it's clear we need two other guys we can count on as depth and to take 10 touches a game.

FB: We need a backup!

Speed Rusher DL: This should be where the money or high round pick is spent. This player turns our team into a contender!

Run Stuffer DL: I'm happy with what's going on with Cochran and Okoye on pass downs but clearly we need a big hoss, even if Okam improves, we need still need the depth.

Playmaking SS: a big, fast, mean SOB would complete the secondary.



That's a pretty big list. However, most of that stuff is mid round, and second tier FA type players, with the exception of the speed rushing DE.

Damn, we are almost very good!!!!

nero THE zero
10-15-2008, 04:37 PM
You can add an OLB to that. Diles could be upgraded and Greenwood has to be upgraded. I don't know if Adibi is the answer or not, but I don't want to wait around to find out. I think we need to add someone who's quick and can bring the wood.

I also think we need to start looking at a QB. I would probably draft one in the later rounds again next year to see if you can find some gold. And, depending on how Schaub does next year, restructure him or draft a new franchise QB. Also, there's been some discrepancy on whether Sage is a FA or not next year. I wouldn't mind bringing in Losman to replace Sage is he is a FA. Losman is decent outside of the pocket, which is nice for our offense.

And, obviously another CB wouldn't hurt. Though, I know that's not going to happen.

But, I would probably rank our top 3 needs as:
OLB
DE
RB

With S coming in a close 4th.

Goldensilence
10-15-2008, 04:42 PM
You can add an OLB to that. Diles could be upgraded and Greenwood has to be upgraded. I don't know if Adibi is the answer or not, but I don't want to wait around to find out. I think we need to add someone who's quick and can bring the wood.

I also think we need to start looking at a QB. I would probably draft one in the later rounds again next year to see if you can find some gold. And, depending on how Schaub does next year, restructure him or draft a new franchise QB. Also, there's been some discrepancy on whether Sage is a FA or not next year. I wouldn't mind bringing in Losman to replace Sage is he is a FA. Losman is decent outside of the pocket, which is nice for our offense.

And, obviously another CB wouldn't hurt. Though, I know that's not going to happen.

But, I would probably rank our top 3 needs as:
OLB
DE
RB

With S coming in a close 4th.

I would bring in a vet other then Sage and look at adressing the other positions. From what I am seeing right now the QB class this year doesn't look like it'll be nearly as good as next year's.

nero THE zero
10-15-2008, 04:46 PM
I would bring in a vet other then Sage and look at adressing the other positions. From what I am seeing right now the QB class this year doesn't look like it'll be nearly as good as next year's.

We've got another year to evaluate Schaub before his bonus kicks in, so it's not really a priority anyway. We'll only need to address it if Sage is a FA. Otherwise, I might just draft one to see if I can find the proverbial diamond in the rough.

Htownsportsfan
10-15-2008, 04:49 PM
Part of this is about assessing the weaknesses of what looks like a good team right now... Then, I'm just excited about accumulating some more talent in the draft. Next season we should have as close to a complete team as you can have in the NFL.

Major Needs:
Center: Meyers is servicable. He holds up pretty well in pass protection but gets pushed around too much in running plays... He's simply a good backup to have.

Guard: Briesel just doesn't have it and neither does Studdard. I actually believe in Frye but we certainly need depth there.

RB: Slaton is about 1/2 the answer. I'm thrilled with him. However, though I was Bullish on CTaylor, it's clear we need two other guys we can count on as depth and to take 10 touches a game.

FB: We need a backup!

Speed Rusher DL: This should be where the money or high round pick is spent. This player turns our team into a contender!

Run Stuffer DL: I'm happy with what's going on with Cochran and Okoye on pass downs but clearly we need a big hoss, even if Okam improves, we need still need the depth.

Playmaking SS: a big, fast, mean SOB would complete the secondary.



That's a pretty big list. However, most of that stuff is mid round, and second tier FA type players, with the exception of the speed rushing DE.

Damn, we are almost very good!!!!

Your ok with our Linebackers????????

maddogmrb
10-15-2008, 05:05 PM
Your ok with our Linebackers????????

Exactly! OLB is the weakest part of our team and I'm beginning to think we should move Demeco outside to best utilize his talents and find another MLB.

MojoMan
10-15-2008, 05:18 PM
Our first four picks should be:

1) DE
2) OLB
3) RB
4) OT (backup OT or convert to OG)

Ideally, in that order.

dalemurphy
10-15-2008, 05:29 PM
Exactly! OLB is the weakest part of our team and I'm beginning to think we should move Demeco outside to best utilize his talents and find another MLB.


I'm mixed on Diles but becoming a believer despite some mistakes. I'm also excited about Adibi. But, beyond that, I really like Thompson on the strong side and like Bentley quite a bit as well.

Of course we could get better there, but I'm pretty happy with the group of 6- 7 if you include Coley who I think is on the P.S. I agree that Greenwood should and will be gone.

dalemurphy
10-15-2008, 05:31 PM
You can add an OLB to that. Diles could be upgraded and Greenwood has to be upgraded. I don't know if Adibi is the answer or not, but I don't want to wait around to find out. I think we need to add someone who's quick and can bring the wood.

I also think we need to start looking at a QB. I would probably draft one in the later rounds again next year to see if you can find some gold. And, depending on how Schaub does next year, restructure him or draft a new franchise QB. Also, there's been some discrepancy on whether Sage is a FA or not next year. I wouldn't mind bringing in Losman to replace Sage is he is a FA. Losman is decent outside of the pocket, which is nice for our offense.

And, obviously another CB wouldn't hurt. Though, I know that's not going to happen.

But, I would probably rank our top 3 needs as:
OLB
DE
RB

With S coming in a close 4th.


I love our CB situation. As a matter of a fact, other than OT and WR, I think in terms of depth it is the strength of our team.

Dunta (assuming re-signed)
Bennett
Reeves
Molden
Faggins.

Great depth- unless you have the ability to get a special talent, that position is filled.

utahmark
10-15-2008, 05:32 PM
i wouldnt draft many offensive players untill we stop giving up 30 points a game.

dalemurphy
10-15-2008, 05:35 PM
i wouldnt draft many offensive players untill we stop giving up 30 points a game.


If we upgraded at RG and Center, we wouldn't be giving up 30 points a game. Our tackles are excellent already in the run game... If those two positions get upgraded, we can shove the ball down the throat of most defenses!

barrett
10-15-2008, 06:39 PM
agreed. jury's still out for me on money mike but meyers clearly gets man handled. i'm so used to seeing centers 5 yard back in the backfield it's rediculous! what the hell is going on there?

rollinstone18
10-15-2008, 07:12 PM
FA:
Break the bank on Terrell Suggs.

leebigeztx
10-15-2008, 07:31 PM
Haynesworth , Suggs, or Nmadi would reaally upgrade this team. Either could vault this team defensively top 10. Offensively , this team is good enough minus the turn overs.

rmartin65
10-15-2008, 07:34 PM
0) OLB
1) Rush End
2) Plug DT
3) Play-making safety, preferably FS, but SS would be legit.
4) Center
5) Guard
6) RB/FB someone who could play both the backup running back and backup fullback spot.
7) CB

BSofA04
10-15-2008, 07:36 PM
I wouldn't be against OG Duke Robinson or a top 3 OT. Sure wouldn't suck to shore up our offensive line.

steelbtexan
10-15-2008, 07:36 PM
I hope the Texans offseason goes something like this

FA Hanesworth
rd1 Curry lb Wake Forest or Cushing lb USC
rd2 Brown de Fla. St.
rd.3 Caldwell C ALABAMA or Ulatoski G-T UT
rd4 Mattews LB USC

texanskan
10-15-2008, 07:37 PM
Part of this is about assessing the weaknesses of what looks like a good team right now... Then, I'm just excited about accumulating some more talent in the draft. Next season we should have as close to a complete team as you can have in the NFL.

Major Needs:
Center: Meyers is servicable. He holds up pretty well in pass protection but gets pushed around too much in running plays... He's simply a good backup to have.

Guard: Briesel just doesn't have it and neither does Studdard. I actually believe in Frye but we certainly need depth there.

RB: Slaton is about 1/2 the answer. I'm thrilled with him. However, though I was Bullish on CTaylor, it's clear we need two other guys we can count on as depth and to take 10 touches a game.

FB: We need a backup!

Speed Rusher DL: This should be where the money or high round pick is spent. This player turns our team into a contender!

Run Stuffer DL: I'm happy with what's going on with Cochran and Okoye on pass downs but clearly we need a big hoss, even if Okam improves, we need still need the depth.

Playmaking SS: a big, fast, mean SOB would complete the secondary.



That's a pretty big list. However, most of that stuff is mid round, and second tier FA type players, with the exception of the speed rushing DE.

Damn, we are almost very good!!!!


agree
agree
Grenn/Slaton we need to see how this plays out this year and we could wait till 2010
Leach is enough
Another Speed rusher is a must ie. 1st round pick
DT is something that I would like to spend free agent money on ie. a better deal than a DL money wise
and a safety if availeble in the 2nd round should be what we look at

TexansSeminole
10-15-2008, 07:47 PM
We need an upgrade at every position except WR. Positions that would make the most impact:

Running Back: A guy who can go 15 carries a game. Ahman is actually impressing me in his backup role this year, but his career is 98% over. We need another young guy to help Slaton.

Safety: Clean up guy. Solid safety that makes good decisions in coverage. Athletic enough to cover a slot, or TE like Dallas Clark. This is one guy we desperately need. Demps is a good safety, but he has alot of wear and tear on him, and he is our only above-average safety.

Defensive End: Solid all around DE. He doesn't even have to be a speed rusher, just needs to be able to get at the QB. Mario is our sack artist, we just need another solid DE on the other side to take advantage of one on one matchups in both the run and pass game.

Outside Linebacker: Someone who plays well in coverage and can run plays down with speed and power. Diles and Greenwood are below-average to average football players. Adibi is a start to strengthening this group, but we wil need to draft a SAM and another linebacker, perhaps a MLB.

Inside Offensive Line: We're getting pushed back pretty often from strong DTs. I'd like to see us draft a talented run blocking guard or center to add to this young OL.

These are the main positions we need to look at drafting IMO.

Free agents are a different story. You get the guys you can afford and I would look at upgrading every position except possibly WR through FA.

ATXtexanfan
10-15-2008, 08:06 PM
OLB and DE

steelbtexan
10-15-2008, 08:27 PM
We need an upgrade at every position except WR. Positions that would make the most impact:

Running Back: A guy who can go 15 carries a game. Ahman is actually impressing me in his backup role this year, but his career is 98% over. We need another young guy to help Slaton.

Safety: Clean up guy. Solid safety that makes good decisions in coverage. Athletic enough to cover a slot, or TE like Dallas Clark. This is one guy we desperately need. Demps is a good safety, but he has alot of wear and tear on him, and he is our only above-average safety.

Defensive End: Solid all around DE. He doesn't even have to be a speed rusher, just needs to be able to get at the QB. Mario is our sack artist, we just need another solid DE on the other side to take advantage of one on one matchups in both the run and pass game.

Outside Linebacker: Someone who plays well in coverage and can run plays down with speed and power. Diles and Greenwood are below-average to average football players. Adibi is a start to strengthening this group, but we wil need to draft a SAM and another linebacker, perhaps a MLB.

Inside Offensive Line: We're getting pushed back pretty often from strong DTs. I'd like to see us draft a talented run blocking guard or center to add to this young OL.

These are the main positions we need to look at drafting IMO.

Free agents are a different story. You get the guys you can afford and I would look at upgrading every position except possibly WR through FA.

1. RB I'm good with Slaton & Green maybe add a Kevin Grady Mich. late.
2. S While I would love to see a Moore I believe Harrison will become the S
you are looking for with more expierence. Already looks better than C.C. Brown.

3.OLB Weakest position on team Curry Smart versatile playmaker. I also like Matthews @ olb another smart versatile guy great blood lines.
4. C -G We need to upgrade badly Caldwell or Unger in the 3rd.
5. I woud love love to see fellow Seminole Brown in the 2nd
6. Wouldn't it be great if we could steal Hanesworth weakening the Tacks & adding attitude to our DL

kcdoubleeagle
10-15-2008, 08:56 PM
Haynesworth and a great draft immediately makes us a contender....if not Haynesworth, we need a high impact defensive lineman via FA.

also, let's keep focusing on our lines....It would not suck to get a stud offensive guard or center in the first round...then OLB.

Tailgate
10-15-2008, 10:27 PM
Go for DT and RB in free agency. Then target OLB, DE, S, and O-line in draft. Man our team would be close to being complete and in it for the long haul.

Texan JBZ
10-16-2008, 12:13 AM
I have a feeling that the Texans FO is going all defense in this draft. 1st round will definitely be a ball-hawking FS. Taylor Mays, William Moore, Patrick Chung, Vontae Davis, or Curtis Taylor should fill the bill. 2nd round will more than likely be a DE, 3rd a DT, 4th a DT, 5th a OLB. The team may look to fill some offensive need like C or another RB in the later rounds. I really doubt it though. The offense is fine right now. The smart move would be to move Sage for extra draft picks once the season is over and bring Shane Boyd back in to backup Schaub. I like his arm strength and athletic ability. He just needs seasoning.

TexansLucky13
10-16-2008, 12:20 AM
I have a feeling that the Texans FO is going all defense in this draft. 1st round will definitely be a ball-hawking FS. Taylor Mays, William Moore, Patrick Chung, Vontae Davis, or Curtis Taylor should fill the bill. 2nd round will more than likely be a DE, 3rd a DT, 4th a DT, 5th a OLB. The team may look to fill some offensive need like C or another RB in the later rounds. I really doubt it though. The offense is fine right now. The smart move would be to move Sage for extra draft picks once the season is over and bring Shane Boyd back in to backup Schaub. I like his arm strength and athletic ability. He just needs seasoning.

Great post!

A good long-range FS is hard to come by later in the draft so I definitely agree they need high consideration for our 1st rounder.

If we get anything other than Safety or Defensive End in the 1st round I will go ballistic.

Texan JBZ
10-16-2008, 12:22 AM
I'm mixed on Diles but becoming a believer despite some mistakes. I'm also excited about Adibi. But, beyond that, I really like Thompson on the strong side and like Bentley quite a bit as well.

Of course we could get better there, but I'm pretty happy with the group of 6- 7 if you include Coley who I think is on the P.S. I agree that Greenwood should and will be gone.


I'm with you on Diles. I like the way he is developing. I think a lot of people don't quite understand his position. It's not the same as Demeco's and Morlon's. A Sam LB is not supposed to be a tackling and coverage machine. They are supposed to be strong at the point of attack and supposed to spill most running plays to the MLB or SS. A Sam LB is not supposed to be solid in pass coverage. It's just not how the position is tailored. Their supposed to be physical and smart. Plus, Diles is a young player and a first year starter which I think a lot of our fans ignore. He's not a 10-year vet like Morlon. This is only his second year. He has a much higher ceiling right now. I just think he needs a little more time to develop.

As far as Morlon..uh, yeah. He's gotta go. He should be way more productive than what he is. He's terrible.

mussop
10-16-2008, 01:09 AM
Go full tilt for A Haynesworth in FA, then draft 1st Rey Maualuga (MLB) USC move Ryans to the outside. 2nd draft Best Ol or DE available.

Our D instantly becomes tougher, meaner and vaults into a top defense for years to come.

Actually this has been discussed in another thread (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53753).

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53753

ObsiWan
10-16-2008, 03:07 AM
Haynesworth and a great draft immediately makes us a contender....if not Haynesworth, we need a high impact defensive lineman via FA.

also, let's keep focusing on our lines....It would not suck to get a stud offensive guard or center in the first round...then OLB.

As long as Haynesworth plays like he has for the past two years, I'd be good with that. I'm afraid he's playing for a contract and might decline (see Weaver) once he locks up a big payday.

Kulluminatii
10-16-2008, 03:51 AM
Haynesworth , Suggs, or Nmadi would reaally upgrade this team. Either could vault this team defensively top 10. Offensively , this team is good enough minus the turn overs.

I have a feeling that Nnamdi will be looking for greener pastures once this season is over. I hope that Davis doesn't franchise him again, and I would like nothing more then for Nnamdi to be a part of the Texans; but then again almost every team will be gunning for him, so he will definitely cost a pretty pen to acquire. I think it will be worth it though, he can add a lot of depth to the :d:

Mari-OWNED!
10-16-2008, 05:55 AM
Terrell Suggs would be a nice pickup in free agency.

I'd like for us to draft a smash-mouth runningback to go as a one-two punch with Steve Slaton. Someone like a Brandon Jacobs.

nunusguy
10-16-2008, 07:39 AM
What just because D-Rob steps on the field for the first time in 12 months,
nobody thinks we've got any remaining issues at CB ?

nero THE zero
10-16-2008, 08:55 AM
What just because D-Rob steps on the field for the first time in 12 months,
nobody thinks we've got any remaining issues at CB ?

I do, but I think our FO has invested enough money and draft picks in that position. For better or worse, they're going to let their young guys develop and see what they have.

maddogmrb
10-16-2008, 09:41 AM
I'm not sure, has Adibi even seen the playing field yet?

I don't understand how some on the board can be saying such positive things about him.

Move Demeco to OLB where his talents are better suited. Draft the best OLB or MLB on the board with #1.

HOU-TEX
10-16-2008, 10:25 AM
4-6 picks on various defensive positions and maybe one or two for a decent Guard.

:fans:

infantrycak
10-16-2008, 11:06 AM
Go for DT and RB in free agency.

RB is pretty thin this coming year for FA. Basically Brandon Jacobs and then a bunch of nobodies.

DL does have talent available with folks like Peppers, Haynesworth, Suggs, Bertrand Berry, Tank Johnson...

Hooston Texan
10-16-2008, 11:16 AM
I don't have much hope for getting a big-time free agent--UNTIL we establish ourselves as a legit playoff contender. There is a reason that just about every large-contract FA signing this team has had has been a failure. The free agents who want to win won't come here until we show we are a winner. But those winning-oriented players are the guys you want to sign.

That leaves only the free agents who are 100% about the money--those guys aren't winners, and you can usually forget about max effort from them once they've inked their big deal. They're only looking to do just enough to avoid getting cut. We've signed plenty of those in the team's lifetime.

It is no accident that this team has had far more luck with off-the-street, hoping-they-make-the-team free agents (Andre Davis, Kevin Walter, Will Demps) than higher-profile players they had to bid for.

BigBull17
10-16-2008, 12:25 PM
I'm with you on Diles. I like the way he is developing. I think a lot of people don't quite understand his position. It's not the same as Demeco's and Morlon's. A Sam LB is not supposed to be a tackling and coverage machine. They are supposed to be strong at the point of attack and supposed to spill most running plays to the MLB or SS. A Sam LB is not supposed to be solid in pass coverage. It's just not how the position is tailored. Their supposed to be physical and smart. Plus, Diles is a young player and a first year starter which I think a lot of our fans ignore. He's not a 10-year vet like Morlon. This is only his second year. He has a much higher ceiling right now. I just think he needs a little more time to develop.

As far as Morlon..uh, yeah. He's gotta go. He should be way more productive than what he is. He's terrible.

Diles is a good back up, but you need a little more out of your starter than him. Greenwood has to be on the way out. An actual FS, though they dont seem to like them. I want a big, fat load in the middle to eat space. Im tired of hybrid DT's who dont rush the pass or stop the run well.

Goldensilence
10-16-2008, 12:52 PM
I have a feeling that the Texans FO is going all defense in this draft. 1st round will definitely be a ball-hawking FS. Taylor Mays, William Moore, Patrick Chung, Vontae Davis, or Curtis Taylor should fill the bill. 2nd round will more than likely be a DE, 3rd a DT, 4th a DT, 5th a OLB. The team may look to fill some offensive need like C or another RB in the later rounds. I really doubt it though. The offense is fine right now. The smart move would be to move Sage for extra draft picks once the season is over and bring Shane Boyd back in to backup Schaub. I like his arm strength and athletic ability. He just needs seasoning.

I'm not going to say FS will definitely be the first round choice. I would be in favor of another LB or Lodhodlt(sp). We need to get stronger in the middle of the line and I think the guy moves well and has the athletic ability to get to the second tier and blow people up.

FA i would press for Suggs or Peppers. I would like to think either would have to imagine playing across from Mario and how that would open up them up for one on one matchups they could take advantage of.Our second rounder will be interesting because someone good will drop there. If PJ Hill comes out of Wisconsin that'd be a great 1-2 with Slaton.

If we were going to make a move with Rosenfels last year, IMO, would've been the best time to do it. Some of the Sage for presidents fans might be willing to forgive or somehow forget the implosion he did against the Colts but I don't think any scout or HC will. He has little trade value unless he poignantly redeems himself somehow later in the season. Come crunch time though that probably always will be in the back of his and a coach's mind. I think Boyd might be a good option but I'm more in the camp of wanting a capable veteran backup who knows his role on the team and isn't going to push for the role unless given the green light. Schaub has one more year to prove himself capable after that we're going to be at a crossroad.

beerlover
10-16-2008, 01:26 PM
with the success that the Titans are enjoying it is hard to beleive Bud would allow Hanyesworth to become a free agent or heaven forbid come to Houston then have to face him twice a year. Suggs is still in his prime but coming from Baltimore same team as Anthony Weaver, for more money & that doesn't excatly thrill me either. Frankly the best course is to lock up Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans & Dunta Robinson to long term contracts to solidfy the Texans building blocks, thats gonna take a serious chunk of change but one that needs to be serioursly looked at. The collective bargining agreement is coming up for negoiation & the salary cap maybe eliminated as it is in baseball so it would be wise indeed to lock up our own first then look around the league as it becomes clear the state of labor/salarys future.

Porky
10-16-2008, 01:35 PM
Isn't Suggs more of a 3/4 OLB tweener type? Seems to me he is another Rooselvelt Colvin at best in this D.

steelbtexan
10-16-2008, 01:48 PM
with the success that the Titans are enjoying it is hard to beleive Bud would allow Hanyesworth to become a free agent or heaven forbid come to Houston then have to face him twice a year. Suggs is still in his prime but coming from Baltimore same team as Anthony Weaver, for more money & that doesn't excatly thrill me either. Frankly the best course is to lock up Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans & Dunta Robinson to long term contracts to solidfy the Texans building blocks, thats gonna take a serious chunk of change but one that needs to be serioursly looked at. The collective bargining agreement is coming up for negoiation & the salary cap maybe eliminated as it is in baseball so it would be wise indeed to lock up our own first then look around the league as it becomes clear the state of labor/salarys future.

Hanesworth is a UFA

Wouldn't it be nice to put it to Bud.

Spend the money Mr. McNair make the fans happy.

We've supported you it's time to return the favor.

mussop
10-16-2008, 08:46 PM
Hanesworth is a UFA

Wouldn't it be nice to put it to Bud.

Spend the money Mr. McNair make the fans happy.

We've supported you it's time to return the favor.

This is so true! We deserve to see this team go the extra mile and get a true pro bowl caliber FA. If it appens to be the best player from not only a divisional rival but our biggest nemises well thats just the icing on the cake. Cmon McNair we want us some cake!

will742
10-16-2008, 08:59 PM
To anyone saying we should get Fat Albert in Free Angency... I'm sorry but forget about it. I would take him on our D-Line anyday but anyone who follows the Texans know that they tend to stay clear of people with personal conduct issues (see: Fat Albert). Ontop of this, Haynesworth himself would most likely turn down a Houston offer if he were to even recieve one by some devine miracle. There's no way he would play for our team when just a few weeks ago, he was talking trash (http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/other/09/19/0919texans.html) about Matt Schaub(see link if you don't remember).

I just don't see it. But I would love to be proved wrong. :thinking:

mussop
10-16-2008, 09:43 PM
To anyone saying we should get Fat Albert in Free Angency... I'm sorry but forget about it. I would take him on our D-Line anyday but anyone who follows the Texans know that they tend to stay clear of people with personal conduct issues (see: Fat Albert). Ontop of this, Haynesworth himself would most likely turn down a Houston offer if he were to even recieve one by some devine miracle. There's no way he would play for our team when just a few weeks ago, he was talking trash (http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/other/09/19/0919texans.html) about Matt Schaub(see link if you don't remember).

I just don't see it. But I would love to be proved wrong. :thinking:

"I don't know. It's just his personality," he said. "That's the way this game is. It's intense and you have some fierce rivalries."

Hey the guy has earned the right to talk trash to us. He pretty much has dominated our OL. I wish our D had some of that intensity..

steelbtexan
10-16-2008, 10:41 PM
"I don't know. It's just his personality," he said. "That's the way this game is. It's intense and you have some fierce rivalries."

Hey the guy has earned the right to talk trash to us. He pretty much has dominated our OL. I wish our D had some of that intensity..

Agreed

Hanesworth will play for whoever pays him the most money.

He's POed @ Bottom Line Bud because he hasn't already gotten his long term contract. Unless Bud ponies up the most money Hanesworth will leave.

How did anybody run on U of Tennesee with Henderson & Haneswoth on the DL.

LonerATO
10-16-2008, 11:22 PM
I have a feeling that the Texans FO is going all defense in this draft. 1st round will definitely be a ball-hawking FS. Taylor Mays, William Moore, Patrick Chung, Vontae Davis, or Curtis Taylor should fill the bill. 2nd round will more than likely be a DE, 3rd a DT, 4th a DT, 5th a OLB. The team may look to fill some offensive need like C or another RB in the later rounds. I really doubt it though. The offense is fine right now. The smart move would be to move Sage for extra draft picks once the season is over and bring Shane Boyd back in to backup Schaub. I like his arm strength and athletic ability. He just needs seasoning.

If we go FS in the 1st it is going to be Mays or Moore and if not we can get Chung in the 3rd I'm sure he will still be there. I'm pretty hi on Chung and if we can get him in the 2nd or 4rd we still can get a great DE or OLB.

LonerATO
10-16-2008, 11:26 PM
Isn't Suggs more of a 3/4 OLB tweener type? Seems to me he is another Rooselvelt Colvin at best in this D.

both are and since we no longer run a 3-4 I'm not as sold as much after watching him the last couple of weeks as we need a true pass rushing DE. Who knows though maybe he can be a beast in our D

TheRealJoker
10-16-2008, 11:55 PM
Main needs on defense are just 1 player at each level. An upgrade at each level of the defense...along with a better DC would make this group a force to be reckoned with:

OLB - We need somebody other than DeMeco who can make tackles behind or at the line of scrimmage and not look like a fool in coverage consistently. A stud OLB would allow us to blitz DeMeco more, something that he's looked to be good at but something we haven't had the opportunity to do since we dont have another LB that can cover. Adibi doesn't count since we haven't seen anything from him in the NFL yet.

S - Need a ballhawk in the backfield that can cover for the CBs. Jacques Reeves would look like a damn fine CB if he had a safety acting as his rear view mirror since he doesn't seem to know how to locate the ball but knows how to stay in the WR's hip pocket. A ball hawk safety takes away the opposing team's deep ball which is something we've never been able to do...especially at critical points in games :-(

DE/DT - need a bookend to compliment Mario. Doesn't necessarily have to be a high caliber talent, just a solid player who can hold up against the run and contribute consistent pressure on the QB so offenses dont shift their protections on Mario. A run stuffing DT would be very nice so that we could look forward to stopping teams in short yardage situations instead of being 0fer against 4th downs this season :-(

Not too much on offense. Just a couple finishing touches to make this potential juggernaut truly dominant.

Offense:

RB - A power back to compliment Slaton would be very nice and would help this team immensely in December.

Interior OL - We need to get someone who can hang with Haynesworth/Henderson. We see those two guys 4x a year and they collapse the pocket every year. Until we can get someone, particularly at C/RG who can push the pile on 3rd and short and in the redzone we're gonna continue suffering the same problems inside the 20. Also need to groom someone to replace Chester Pitts someday and/or upgrade his position. He's a solid player to have but is a player that can stand to be upgraded on a winning team.

TheRealJoker
10-16-2008, 11:57 PM
Let me just say that if by some miracle we actually landed Haynesworth on the DL I would cream my pants everytime I saw the brown stains on opposing QB's bottoms after getting sandwiched by Super Mario/ Fat Albert :whip:

Kaiser Toro
10-17-2008, 12:16 AM
I believe we go BPA with the first three picks at the DE, C/G & LB positions.

Texanmike02
10-17-2008, 12:31 AM
with the success that the Titans are enjoying it is hard to beleive Bud would allow Hanyesworth to become a free agent or heaven forbid come to Houston then have to face him twice a year. Suggs is still in his prime but coming from Baltimore same team as Anthony Weaver, for more money & that doesn't excatly thrill me either. Frankly the best course is to lock up Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans & Dunta Robinson to long term contracts to solidfy the Texans building blocks, thats gonna take a serious chunk of change but one that needs to be serioursly looked at. The collective bargining agreement is coming up for negoiation & the salary cap maybe eliminated as it is in baseball so it would be wise indeed to lock up our own first then look around the league as it becomes clear the state of labor/salarys future.

Shouldn't we get an idea of where Drob is before we sign him to a long term deal?

mussop
10-17-2008, 01:05 AM
Let me just say that if by some miracle we actually landed Haynesworth on the DL I would cream my pants everytime I saw the brown stains on opposing QB's bottoms after getting sandwiched by Super Mario/ Fat Albert :whip:
Yep, a dirty sock next to the TV would be standard equipment for all Texans fans on gamedays.

threetoedpete
10-17-2008, 01:09 AM
Our first four picks should be:

1) DE
2) OLB
3) RB
4) OT (backup OT or convert to OG)

Ideally, in that order.

This one gets my vote. They may take a safety with one of the first two picks. Everything they've done so far over the last two off seasons says they won't.
Mays, Moore or the kid from South Carolina may blow them away.

After watching what Kubes did with the center last year....you couldn't blast Myers out of there with a ship load of nitro. He ain't going any where unless he gets hurt. I think the o-line is pretty well set.

I like Orakpo playing opposite Mario. And I like Ulatoski in the third as a project OT. And Orakpo played so well against OU, I'd drop a one on him and take my chances a will backer would fall in round two. Orakpo isn't going to be on the board too long. We'll be lucky to have a shot at him.

threetoedpete
10-17-2008, 01:19 AM
I don't have much hope for getting a big-time free agent--UNTIL we establish ourselves as a legit playoff contender. There is a reason that just about every large-contract FA signing this team has had has been a failure. The free agents who want to win won't come here until we show we are a winner. But those winning-oriented players are the guys you want to sign.

That leaves only the free agents who are 100% about the money--those guys aren't winners, and you can usually forget about max effort from them once they've inked their big deal. They're only looking to do just enough to avoid getting cut. We've signed plenty of those in the team's lifetime.

It is no accident that this team has had far more luck with off-the-street, hoping-they-make-the-team free agents (Andre Davis, Kevin Walter, Will Demps) than higher-profile players they had to bid for.

Every year we go through this pie-in-the-sky free agent talk. First off Suggs and Haynesworth are going to command huge salaries.

So, I guess you've already tossed Robinson and his new contract over board . Is that it ? They haven't screwed a vet yet. I guess Robinson could be the first.

What did they do at CB last off season when they were desperate ? Did they break the bank ? Nope. Suggs might be possible. But all of these guys are going to want to be paid handsomely.

leebigeztx
10-17-2008, 01:46 AM
1st let me say that I think the texans are at the point where they need over the hump players. The 3 guys I mentioned are those types and in their prime.

Haynesworth. He's the reason why the titans have the one of the best dl's in football. Its no mistake that defensively they went from last in 06 to top flight last yr to the best this season. Last yr they were giving up about 17 ppg and 80 yds per on the ground. He missed 3 games and during that time they stated giving up 35 per and over 130 on the ground. He's big,tough, and mean ass and a difference maker. Haynesworth in between Mario and Okoye actually makes all of them better. They might actually be able to slide Okoye outside and bring in Okam next to him. He's going to cost about 30 m in bonus, but he's a young proven commodity that changes the los and severely weakens a division foe. Ryans,williams,okoye, dunta, and everyone else would greatly benefit from him on the texans.

Suggs. I've seen people comparing a scrub like weaver to suggs. This makes no sense. Suggs since being drafted has collected 10 sacks per season. He's 4-3 or 3-4 talent. The Ravens run the 46 and he still produuces. He brings heat and plays very hard every down regardless of how the team is playing. He's having a down year, but Suggs getting 10-12 sacks opposite mario helps the secondary. Not only that, he's 26.

Nmadi. I've always like this guy. In my opinion, he's 2 or 3 in terms of corners. He's so good that the so called next prime time, hall gets thrown at all he time because nmadi is a beast. He can straight man up, great tackler and a class act. He and dunta gives the team the coverage that would allow the rushto get there. He's also 27.

There are other guys that can help and I'm all about the draft, but the rox need to ue the draft to improve especially wth depth. These young free agentss are the impact bridge guys that will help take this team into contention. The titans did that when they signed chris hope,david thornton to fill in the holes with young impact players. They needed a guard and went and got scott. They're not going to get a player that an impact the squad like those 3 in the draft next yr. They have most major needs filled, qb,re,lt,wr,cb,rb,mlb, now they need to add to that with playmakers.

LonerATO
10-17-2008, 01:49 AM
Could we steal Nmadi as well as Rob Ryan to hold it down on the D

Kulluminatii
10-17-2008, 02:28 AM
Could we steal Nmadi as well as Rob Ryan to hold it down on the D

:spit:

You want Rob Ryan!! Take him, please do!!

In all seriousness, why would u want to bring upon the Texans the curse that is Rob Ryan?

mussop
10-17-2008, 10:09 AM
1st let me say that I think the texans are at the point where they need over the hump players. The 3 guys I mentioned are those types and in their prime.

Haynesworth. He's the reason why the titans have the one of the best dl's in football. Its no mistake that defensively they went from last in 06 to top flight last yr to the best this season. Last yr they were giving up about 17 ppg and 80 yds per on the ground. He missed 3 games and during that time they stated giving up 35 per and over 130 on the ground. He's big,tough, and mean ass and a difference maker. Haynesworth in between Mario and Okoye actually makes all of them better. They might actually be able to slide Okoye outside and bring in Okam next to him. He's going to cost about 30 m in bonus, but he's a young proven commodity that changes the los and severely weakens a division foe. Ryans,williams,okoye, dunta, and everyone else would greatly benefit from him on the texans.

Suggs. I've seen people comparing a scrub like weaver to suggs. This makes no sense. Suggs since being drafted has collected 10 sacks per season. He's 4-3 or 3-4 talent. The Ravens run the 46 and he still produuces. He brings heat and plays very hard every down regardless of how the team is playing. He's having a down year, but Suggs getting 10-12 sacks opposite mario helps the secondary. Not only that, he's 26.

Nmadi. I've always like this guy. In my opinion, he's 2 or 3 in terms of corners. He's so good that the so called next prime time, hall gets thrown at all he time because nmadi is a beast. He can straight man up, great tackler and a class act. He and dunta gives the team the coverage that would allow the rushto get there. He's also 27.

There are other guys that can help and I'm all about the draft, but the rox need to ue the draft to improve especially wth depth. These young free agentss are the impact bridge guys that will help take this team into contention. The titans did that when they signed chris hope,david thornton to fill in the holes with young impact players. They needed a guard and went and got scott. They're not going to get a player that an impact the squad like those 3 in the draft next yr. They have most major needs filled, qb,re,lt,wr,cb,rb,mlb, now they need to add to that with playmakers.

This is why you are my favorite poster here. 99% of the time you say exactly what I want to say but alot more elegantly.

Seriously folks think about the impact Haynesworth would have on this team. He instantly makes our best defensive players (Mario, Omobi, Ryans) better by taking pressre of them. Having him in front of Ryans would probably add years to Ryans career. He instantly improves our defense agains the run. He is exactly what this defense needs. There is no other player in the upcoming draft or FA taht could have the impact that this guy could have. Throw in the fact that we would be taking him from Buds team makes it even sweeter. Its a move that if we are really all about winning then we would be foolish to not at least try. I will be real dissapointed if we dont make him a serious offer.

buddyboy
10-17-2008, 02:42 PM
This is why you are my favorite poster here. 99% of the time you say exactly what I want to say but alot more elegantly.

Seriously folks think about the impact Haynesworth would have on this team. He instantly makes our best defensive players (Mario, Omobi, Ryans) better by taking pressre of them. Having him in front of Ryans would probably add years to Ryans career. He instantly improves our defense agains the run. He is exactly what this defense needs. There is no other player in the upcoming draft or FA taht could have the impact that this guy could have. Throw in the fact that we would be taking him from Buds team makes it even sweeter. Its a move that if we are really all about winning then we would be foolish to not at least try. I will be real dissapointed if we dont make him a serious offer.

I'm not sure anyone actually believes that having someone like Haynesworth wouldn't improve our team drastically. And if someone does think that, they're delusional. However, the realist in me realizes that the Texans organization has gone out of their way to bring in guys who don't get into trouble like...well, Haynesworth.

It would be great to get him...but the cap limit and the Texan's dedication to bringing in a certain type of player just kind of makes this unrealistic.

On another note, does anyone have the cap numbers for next year?

leebigeztx
10-17-2008, 04:07 PM
I'm not sure anyone actually believes that having someone like Haynesworth wouldn't improve our team drastically. And if someone does think that, they're delusional. However, the realist in me realizes that the Texans organization has gone out of their way to bring in guys who don't get into trouble like...well, Haynesworth.

It would be great to get him...but the cap limit and the Texan's dedication to bringing in a certain type of player just kind of makes this unrealistic.

On another note, does anyone have the cap numbers for next year?

Here is what I'm pretty sure what i ve seen Next yr the texans will have 29m under the cap. They can cut green,greenwood,and weaver to get a lot of extra money. Here's how a potential deal could be set up for Haynesworth.

He just made 27 in june. With a guy like him, his age and the recent signings of allen,stroud,rogers and c.williams, he's going to cost u 30m bonus money. Suggs and nmadi will cost about 25m in bonus. With guys at this age, there is a good chance they can complete a 6 yr deal. So here it go.

The texans are going o give him 30m bonus over 6 yr contract. Basically he will get 5m per in bonus money. That will be in all likelyhood 3m up front and a roster bonus for the other 2m on top of a salary of 5m per and other bonuses for probowl, defensive poy and stuff like that. So the texans wil look at 6yrs 60m with 30m guaranteed. His cap number will be 10m per which is the going rate for a dominate defensive player of his caliber. If after 4 yrs he's not the a very productive guy and you want to cut him, the 10m can be spread over 2 yrs. That's why teams like philly has been paying for guys more in roster bonuses. That way when and if a guy has to go, they don't owe and they normally guarantee the 1st 3yrs.

Hooston Texan
10-17-2008, 05:08 PM
Every year we go through this pie-in-the-sky free agent talk. First off Suggs and Haynesworth are going to command huge salaries.

So, I guess you've already tossed Robinson and his new contract over board . Is that it ? They haven't screwed a vet yet. I guess Robinson could be the first.

What did they do at CB last off season when they were desperate ? Did they break the bank ? Nope. Suggs might be possible. But all of these guys are going to want to be paid handsomely.

I didn't make this explicit in my first post, but I see resigning one of your own players (e.g. Dunta) and signing an in-demand FA from another team as two separate matters. I think you are less likely to find yourself with a gold-bricking player if you are giving a big deal to a guy you already know. By now, I think the coaches know well enough if a guy like Dunta is dogging it (yeah, as if . . .). But you can't really know that with a new guy.

Committing money to anyone sight unseen is a risk--and the risk increases as the dollars increase, so Haynesworth would be a huge risk. If he is motivated, the reward is well worth it, but will he be motivated once he's the highest-paid defensive player in the league? Who knows?

Texan JBZ
10-17-2008, 05:13 PM
Here is what I'm pretty sure what i ve seen Next yr the texans will have 29m under the cap. They can cut green,greenwood,and weaver to get a lot of extra money. Here's how a potential deal could be set up for Haynesworth.

He just made 27 in june. With a guy like him, his age and the recent signings of allen,stroud,rogers and c.williams, he's going to cost u 30m bonus money. Suggs and nmadi will cost about 25m in bonus. With guys at this age, there is a good chance they can complete a 6 yr deal. So here it go.

The texans are going o give him 30m bonus over 6 yr contract. Basically he will get 5m per in bonus money. That will be in all likelyhood 3m up front and a roster bonus for the other 2m on top of a salary of 5m per and other bonuses for probowl, defensive poy and stuff like that. So the texans wil look at 6yrs 60m with 30m guaranteed. His cap number will be 10m per which is the going rate for a dominate defensive player of his caliber. If after 4 yrs he's not the a very productive guy and you want to cut him, the 10m can be spread over 2 yrs. That's why teams like philly has been paying for guys more in roster bonuses. That way when and if a guy has to go, they don't owe and they normally guarantee the 1st 3yrs.


I like what you're saying, but the only way the Texans will go after Nnamdi is if Dunta doesn't come back 100% and the organization has doubts about his future. Cornerback is a position many teams are finding out that they are paying too much for high name free agents. Look at recent years with Nate Clements, Asante Samuel, Drayton Florence, and Dante Hall signing this gigantic contracts. Dunta is set to re-up soon, so if he is back to his old form the Texans are going to have to pay him a pretty penny. Plus, with the signing of Reeves (doh!), that would tie too much money up in one position.

Haynesworth may be a remote possibility, but he is gonna command megabucks. Thank Al Davis for that with his absurd signing of Tommy Kelly to that big deal. Plus, I really don't think he likes the Texans as an organization. Call it a hunch.

Suggs may be the guy that Rick Smith ultimately goes after. His athleticism will give the defense more ways to create pressure with their zone blitzes. Plus, he's not going to command the same contract as Nnamdi and Haynesworth. Don't get me wrong because he's gonna get paid handsomely. I just don't think it's going to be in the same ballpark as the other two. He looks like the better bargain.

utahmark
10-17-2008, 05:23 PM
every year you guys talk about these big name free agents and every year we dont get one.

kcdoubleeagle
10-18-2008, 12:55 AM
Haynesworth, Mario, Okoye and 1st round DE.....that is what Superbowl Champs are made of......we can only dream....

But really, could you imagine the problems teams would have with that line?

ObsiWan
10-18-2008, 01:27 AM
I just don't see a defensive-minded HC like Jeff Fisher letting Haynesworth get out of Nashville.

texanhead08
10-18-2008, 01:53 AM
I dont see Mcnair signing someone like Haynesworth who has a checkered past like he does. I also dont see the Titans letting him walk, they will franchise him again if they have too. I think a big run stuffing dt would do wonders for this defense. That would free Okeye to do what he did in college which is shoot the gaps like Warren Sapp did with Tampa all those years.I wouldnt spend a high pick on a FS either although I would love for us to get one you can stick back there and not have to worry about the position for a long time. I remember hearing when Sean Taylor was coming out that the last FS picked in the top 10 was Kenny Easley and that had been somthing like 20yrs before.I would if I was running the draft just pick the best guy available we still have enough holes at lb,cb,s,interior oline and de to do that. If there is a power back available that would be the perfect combo to pair with Slaton. We could have thunder/lightning and be a force in the running game as well as the passing game.

wolf123
10-18-2008, 11:22 AM
every year you guys talk about these big name free agents and every year we dont get one.

Every year we do it even though we don't have money to spend. This year is different.

steelbtexan
10-18-2008, 12:31 PM
Agreed

The1ApplePie
10-18-2008, 02:10 PM
Lawrence Maroney would be an excellent pick up. He's been injured this year and the Pats don't run the ball anyways. I could really see him getting cut this year. Great pickup in my opinion, would be a great combo with Slaton.

Selvie
Orakpo
Maulauga
Taylor Mays
Beanie Wells

Any of those guys in the first would make me happy.:whip:

ObsiWan
10-18-2008, 02:48 PM
I dont see Mcnair signing someone like Haynesworth who has a checkered past like he does. I also dont see the Titans letting him walk, they will franchise him again if they have too. I think a big run stuffing dt would do wonders for this defense. That would free Okeye to do what he did in college which is shoot the gaps like Warren Sapp did with Tampa all those years.I wouldnt spend a high pick on a FS either although I would love for us to get one you can stick back there and not have to worry about the position for a long time. I remember hearing when Sean Taylor was coming out that the last FS picked in the top 10 was Kenny Easley and that had been somthing like 20yrs before.I would if I was running the draft just pick the best guy available we still have enough holes at lb,cb,s,interior oline and de to do that. If there is a power back available that would be the perfect combo to pair with Slaton. We could have thunder/lightning and be a force in the running game as well as the passing game.

Saw this on The Sporting News website (http://experts.sportingnews.com/blog/real_scouts/entry/view/13652/if_the_draft_were_today_-_first_five_picks) in an "If The Draft Were Today" piece....


Houston Texans
Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
The Texans are playing with Jacques Reeves and Fred Bennett at the corners right now, and though Dunta Robinson is a viable cover man and will return soon, in a division with the Indianapolis Colts, you have to be able to go at least three deep at corner and Houston barely goes two deep. Jenkins is big, very physical and tough, and has rare speed and athleticism. He's a lockdown corner who will step in and have an immediate impact.



I can't agree with this selection since we just spent good money on Reeves, Dunta will probably be back to near 100% by next season (I'm an optimist, sue me), Bennett & Molden will have another year under their belts one of them ought to emerge and who knows Petey Faggins might just bea decent nickelback. So I can't see us taking a CB - unless he falls into that BPA catagory when our turn comes up.

barrett
10-18-2008, 03:27 PM
I just don't see a defensive-minded HC like Jeff Fisher letting Haynesworth get out of Nashville.

i agree 1000% but that organization isn't run that way i don't think. if i'm not mistaken it's a "coach the players i give you" kind of thing right?

so fisher may make a strong campaign to keep him but the dollars and "sense" decide he goes.

i tend to think it will all depend on how far they go this year. if they were to go all the way i can guarantee that they would be one of those teams that everybody jumps ship for the big payday.

barrett
10-18-2008, 03:29 PM
and on that note... man what a coach fisher is. he and cowher, year after year loose all there players cuz the org won't pay anybody and year after year they coach up what they have and make a competitor out of them....

ObsiWan
10-18-2008, 03:35 PM
i agree 1000% but that organization isn't run that way i don't think. if i'm not mistaken it's a "coach the players i give you" kind of thing right?

so fisher may make a strong campaign to keep him but the dollars and "sense" decide he goes.

i tend to think it will all depend on how far they go this year. if they were to go all the way i can guarantee that they would be one of those teams that everybody jumps ship for the big payday.

well, if you're right, they could loose both Haynesworth and Bullock. I think Bullock is in a contract year too - plus he's 30-something so they might let him walk like they did Steve McNair

barrett
10-18-2008, 03:37 PM
certainly wouldn't surprise me.