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STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-14-2008, 03:10 PM
for a 2009 2nd round pick and a 2010 2nd round pick.

Second Honeymoon
10-14-2008, 03:12 PM
Looks like the Cowboys received Roy Williams for a 2nd Round pick. Roy is a pretty damn good football player and may be able to jumpstart his career being back at home in Texas.

Say what you want about Jerry, but he gets deals done.

This is a good value deal for the Cowboys. Let's see if it turns into wins.

Tedc
10-14-2008, 03:13 PM
If this becomes reality, the Lions have nobody to throw to Sunday.

Ole Miss Texan
10-14-2008, 03:13 PM
for a 2009 2nd round pick and a 2010 2nd round pick.

wow! good spot for him to end up in Dallas in my opinion. Good move by the Lions too. 2 2nd rd picks that they can definitely use.

JCTexan
10-14-2008, 03:17 PM
Good move for both teams imo. Dallas gets a proven WR, & the Lions get 2 2nd round picks for a guy who didn't want to play for them.

Second Honeymoon
10-14-2008, 03:17 PM
OK, big change in my thoughts now.

Sheffter is saying a 1st Round, a 3rd, and a 5th.

Can you say BAD!!!!! deal. Wow, Jerry is desparate.

Roy was worth a 2nd Rounder and maybe it turns into a 1st if they go to the Super Bowl, but to give up that much is just ridiculous.

WOW!! Jerry may have lost his sanity.

Drew_Smoke
10-14-2008, 03:18 PM
Roy Williams...maybe he can play corner???????

JCTexan
10-14-2008, 03:18 PM
OK, big change in my thoughts now.

Sheffter is saying a 1st Round, a 3rd, and a 5th.

Can you say BAD!!!!! deal. Wow, Jerry is desparate.

Roy was worth a 2nd Rounder and maybe it turns into a 1st if they go to the Super Bowl, but to give up that much is just ridiculous.

WOW!! Jerry may have lost his sanity.

? I heard it was 2 2nd rounders?

Tedc
10-14-2008, 03:19 PM
WOW!! Jerry may have lost his sanity.

Yeah, then he got a face lift.

Polo
10-14-2008, 03:20 PM
I know who I'm playing with on Madden now...

texanfan2002114
10-14-2008, 03:21 PM
Cowboys acquire WR Williams from Detroit

Posted: October 14th, 2008 | Adam Schefter | Tags: Dallas Cowboys, Roy Williams

The Lions have traded WR Roy Williams to the Cowboys for a first, third and sixth round pick.


http://blogs.nfl.com/category/adam-schefter/

GuerillaBlack
10-14-2008, 03:22 PM
Good pickup by the Cowboys, but it looks like a desperation move. They are already pretty deep at the receiver position. They should have sent Crayton over with a second round pick.

Polo
10-14-2008, 03:22 PM
LMAO @ cowboys for trading all those picks...

dtran04
10-14-2008, 03:24 PM
ROFL. I feel bad for Brad Johnson now. He's gonna get an earful from two egomaniacs to throw them the ball. Time to get the popcorn ready for the implosion of America's Team. Seriously, if this team doesn't make the playoffs, it will be a disaster of epic proportions.

StarStruck
10-14-2008, 03:24 PM
Good pickup by the Cowboys, but it looks like a desperation move. They are already pretty deep at the receiver position. They should have sent Crayton over with a second round pick.

huh?

GuerillaBlack
10-14-2008, 03:25 PM
huh?

What do you mean huh? I said send Crayton over with a second round pick would have been better. Maybe Crayton in a third. What will Dallas do with all of those receivers? You already have Owens and Witten.

Double Barrel
10-14-2008, 03:28 PM
ROFL. I feel bad for Brad Johnson now. He's gonna get an earful from two egomaniacs to throw them the ball. Time to get the popcorn ready for the implosion of America's Team. Seriously, if this team doesn't make the playoffs, it will be a disaster of epic proportions.

Team meltdown in 10...9...8...7... :popcorn:

Hardcore Texan
10-14-2008, 03:28 PM
3 picks is too much. But we'll see if it pans out, it will be very hard to cover Witten, Owens, and Williams. But that is a steep price when they had decent depth at receiver.

JCTexan
10-14-2008, 03:29 PM
What do you mean huh? I said send Crayton over with a second round pick would have been better. Maybe Crayton in a third. What will Dallas do with all of those receivers? You already have Owens and Witten.

haha... they now have TO, Williams, Crayton, Witten & Austin. How are they going to get all of them the ball?

StarStruck
10-14-2008, 03:30 PM
What do you mean huh? I said send Crayton over with a second round pick would have been better. Maybe Crayton in a third. What will Dallas do with all of those receivers? You already have Owens and Witten.


No thanks. We lost Hurd.

Tedc
10-14-2008, 03:31 PM
With Millen fired as GM, who made the trade? Ford?

HoustonFrog
10-14-2008, 03:31 PM
I like getting Williams but I think a 1st and 3rd and a late pick is alot. They have multiple 3rds though and collected picks over the years. I'd rather have gone after CB but this gives Johnson more targets.

Brando
10-14-2008, 03:32 PM
haha... they now have TO, Williams, Crayton, Witten & Austin. How are they going to get all of them the ball?

http://www.atlnightspots.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/519.jpg
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1 and 3...that's a bit much. Jerrah is definitely in to win it this year.

HoustonFrog
10-14-2008, 03:33 PM
I think part of it is the age of TO too and this would be a replacement since he is a FA after this season.

dtran04
10-14-2008, 03:35 PM
I totally forgot about Crayton. The guy probably has a bigger mouth than T.O. but doesn't get the attention. I wonder what he thinks about being replaced. LOL.

StarStruck
10-14-2008, 03:36 PM
I like getting Williams but I think a 1st and 3rd and a late pick is alot. They have multiple 3rds though and collected picks over the years. I'd rather have gone after CB but this gives Johnson more targets.


I also like the idea of getting Williams, but the picks do sound a bit steep. Hopefully Jerry has some other ideas about the CB given our DSMIV case will soon be attending to more pressing issues.

Texans_Chick
10-14-2008, 03:36 PM
Here's what the Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/101508dnspocowboyswilliams.111b05472.html)says:

The Cowboys on Tuesday acquired UT-ex Roy Williams from Detroit for first-, third- and sixth-round picks in 2009 while the Lions will kick back their seventh-rounder in 2009. The deal took place moments before the 3 p.m. trade deadline.

Good luck with that. Eek.

Buddy tells me that Kitna has been put on IR.

ATXtexanfan
10-14-2008, 03:40 PM
Schaub for two 2nd's doesn't sound so bad now.

Mr teX
10-14-2008, 03:41 PM
TO cannot be happy....

JCTexan
10-14-2008, 03:45 PM
TO cannot be happy....

No he can't. To think TO was complaining after getting 17 balls thrown to him the other week. Two guys both complaining about getting the ball. How are they going to keep them both happy?

Carr Bombed
10-14-2008, 03:45 PM
This is a great move for the Cowboys......let's face it, their team is stacked so 1st (late 1st), 3rd, and 5th round draft picks are going to have a tough time breaking through in their lineup.

This tells me more about what the team thinks about T.O. (who is starting to flap his gums again) then anything else.......Roy is his replacement (a great replacement at that) and T.O.'s days are numbered in Dallas.

HOU-TEX
10-14-2008, 03:45 PM
TO cannot be happy....

I reckon he'd move it to Crayton's spot when it comes time. That is, until TO's finally out of the league which I hope is soon. :)

Hardcore Texan
10-14-2008, 03:49 PM
TO cannot be happy....

If T.O. wants sympathy he can look it up in the dictionary. It's between sh*! and syphilis.

Blazing Arrow
10-14-2008, 03:52 PM
If this becomes reality, the Lions have nobody to throw to Sunday.

Calvin Johnson is no slouch.

Carr Bombed
10-14-2008, 03:55 PM
Calvin Johnson is no slouch.

Mario Williams will lock him down.....especially if DeMeco is helping over the top.

signed,

Richard Smith.

(only damn D'Coordinator I've ever seen send make a DE cover)

Texans_Chick
10-14-2008, 03:55 PM
This is a great move for the Cowboys......let's face it, their team is stacked so 1st (late 1st), 3rd, and 5th round draft picks are going to have a tough time breaking through in their lineup.

This tells me more about what the team thinks about T.O. (who is starting to flap his gums again) then anything else.......Roy is his replacement (a great replacement at that) and T.O.'s days are numbered in Dallas.

Well, TO is old. And even selfishly, this really should be good for TO because it should get him more open if teams have to respect Williams on the field. I'm not sure if he sees it that way though.

StarStruck
10-14-2008, 03:56 PM
TO cannot be happy....

He will probably miss all of that attention from double coverage.

WWJD
10-14-2008, 03:58 PM
It is a steep price but my guess is that the Cowboys have some cap room next year to spare and they can fill in any holes via the FA route rather than draft...that is pure speculation...

TO isn't getting open now anyway. This should help that situation.

GuerillaBlack
10-14-2008, 03:59 PM
Anyone notice Dallas has two players with the exact same name now...

;)

HoustonFrog
10-14-2008, 03:59 PM
Well, TO is old. And even selfishly, this really should be good for TO because it should get him more open if teams have to respect Williams on the field. I'm not sure if he sees it that way though.

That is what I don't get as a Cowboy fan. TO got his extension, he has his cash. This helps the team and should open it up for him. We will see how it goes. As you said, TO is aging and this is more of a replacement move for next year and a splash move this year. They have extra 3rds in the draft and will get a 5th back from Tenn on PacMan so they still have picks they gained over the years.

Ole Miss Texan
10-14-2008, 03:59 PM
Wow, now it's a 1st and 3rd w/ some change? Better deal for the Lions than the two 2nds. Seems kind of high on the Dallas side to me. I would have figured a 1st rounder and maybe a late pick would have done it, good job on Detroit for negotiating so well. The good news for Dallas is their WR and RB positions are STACKED w/ talent.

Carr Bombed
10-14-2008, 04:00 PM
Well Tony Romo is my fantasy football QB (the guy needs to tough it out.....a broken pinky, are you kidding me. Farve played with a broke thumb) and there isn't any legit QBs available so should I pick up Brad Johnson....I'm thinking about it.

Carr Bombed
10-14-2008, 04:03 PM
Anyone notice Dallas has two players with the exact same name now...

;)

Oh snap, I completely forgot about that.........maybe the team can refer to them as, "the good Roy" and the "overrated Roy" or "how did you get to the pro bowl Roy"

Texan_Bill
10-14-2008, 04:05 PM
Oh snap, I completely forgot about that.........maybe the team can refer to them as, "the good Roy" and the "overrated Roy" or "how did you get to the probowl multiple times Roy"

"Texas Roy" and "OU Roy"

Blazing Arrow
10-14-2008, 04:06 PM
Mario Williams will lock him down.....especially if DeMeco is helping over the top.

signed,

Richard Smith.

(only damn D'Coordinator I've ever seen send make a DE cover)

DE drop into coverage during zone blitzes all of the time. They are usually on backs or TEs with LB help though.

Texan_Bill
10-14-2008, 04:07 PM
DE drop into coverage during zone blitzes all of the time. They are usually on backs or TEs with LB help though.

True, but generally those teams have the ability to get pressure on the QB with other folks.
Our pressure is Mario.

Carr Bombed
10-14-2008, 04:07 PM
DE drop into coverage during zone blitzes all of the time. They are usually on backs or TEs with LB help though.

When you only have one legit pass rusher on your team........do you really want to pull him off the line on a blitz.........I don't think so, your just shooting yourself in the ass.

Texecutioner
10-14-2008, 04:09 PM
OK, big change in my thoughts now.

Sheffter is saying a 1st Round, a 3rd, and a 5th.

Can you say BAD!!!!! deal. Wow, Jerry is desparate.

Roy was worth a 2nd Rounder and maybe it turns into a 1st if they go to the Super Bowl, but to give up that much is just ridiculous.

WOW!! Jerry may have lost his sanity.

Totally agreed. If Jerry gave up that much for an under achieving guy who is known for being soft and lacking a strong work ethic than he made one stupid deal. Roy will help them, but he is overrated at this point of his career. I don't think he is that much better than Crayton at the moment really. Plus Miles Austin has been making some plays for them as well.

Mr teX
10-14-2008, 04:09 PM
He will probably miss all of that attention from double coverage.

remember, we're talking about a guy whose relationship with his qb in philly deteriorated b/c he misconstrued a pre-superbowl comment. There's no telling how he might take this.

Polo
10-14-2008, 04:09 PM
When you only have one legit pass rusher on your team........do you really want to pull him off the line on a blitz.........I don't think so, your just shooting yourself in the ass.

Not necessarily...

If the opposing team calls a play that calls for help with Mario (a double team or a chip block) that gives other D-linemen/blitzers a better chance at getting to the QB and it freezes those linemen/backs who had intentions on blocking Mario.....

You guys are funny.

You want Smith to call plays like he doesn't expect anything out of his other D-linemen? If that isn't a losers strategy I don't know what is...


Maybe he should just start letting Mario draw up plays in the dirt before the offense snaps the ball...I'm pretty sure some of you would actually like that.

Wolf
10-14-2008, 04:11 PM
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm201/TTP77/TO.jpg

HoustonFrog
10-14-2008, 04:14 PM
Totally agreed. If Jerry gave up that much for an under achieving guy who is known for being soft and lacking a strong work ethic than he made one stupid deal. Roy will help them, but he is overrated at this point of his career. I don't think he is that much better than Crayton at the moment really. Plus Miles Austin has been making some plays for them as well.

No one ever said Williams didn't work hard. Are all of the other wRs they have underachieving since they play for the Lions and don't do anything...like Calvin Johnson. He has been banged up. They gave up a 1st, a 3rd and a 6th. they have multiple 3rds and are getting a pick back for PacMan. So their 1st will be late most likely. Overall they get a guy younger than their aging top guy now.

Carr Bombed
10-14-2008, 04:15 PM
Not necessarily...

If the opposing team calls a play that calls for help with Mario (a double team or a chip block) that gives other D-linemen/blitzers a better chance at getting to the QB and it freezes those linemen/backs who had intentions on blocking Mario.....

You guys are funny.

You want Smith to call plays like he doesn't expect anything out of his other D-linemen? If that isn't a losers strategy I don't know what is...


Maybe he should just start letting Mario draw up plays in the dirt before the offense snaps the ball...I'm pretty sure some of you would actually like that.

Get off of it.......our team was 7 total sacks.......Mario has 6 sacks, if Mario isn't sacking the QB our team isn't sacking the QB. They could throw 3 guys at Mario (and they are at times) and we still aren't getting to the QB.

Pulling your only real pass rushing threat away from the line is completely retarded........it's just flat out stupid.

Second Honeymoon
10-14-2008, 04:19 PM
I think part of it is the age of TO too and this would be a replacement since he is a FA after this season.

I am with you on that point. Williams is a good candidate for replacement and him having local ties may bode well for Roy as a Cowboy. It's the team he grew up loving and his dream has come true.

One thing is for sure, Jerry OVERPAID for the guy. It's obvious that whoever replaced Millen knows how to make deals because that is a very Lions-friendly deal especially for a disgruntled player.

Blazing Arrow
10-14-2008, 04:20 PM
When you only have one legit pass rusher on your team........do you really want to pull him off the line on a blitz.........I don't think so, your just shooting yourself in the ass.

The intention of the zone blitz is deception. Assuming the O-line is keeping an eye on Mario and pushing additional coverage to his side to double him dropping him back can confuse the guy that is doubling and allow LBs to push through holes which might not be picked up by the FB or RB in to block.

I am not saying it is working or not working for the Texans I am just saying it is not that unlikely to see a DE in short coverage from time to time.

GP
10-14-2008, 04:22 PM
With Millen fired as GM, who made the trade? Ford?

This looks like a complete reversal from Millen's strategy of stockpiling WRs.

They are grabbing as many draft picks as they can, IMO, in order to go a drastically different course than has been navigated over the past several years.

Can you say "Closeout Sale"?

The Lions will be so much better next year, at least with someone other than Millen pulling the levers behind the scenes.

This is a bad move by the Cowboys, even if TO's days are numbered and they needed a go-to WR when he's gone.

Carr Bombed
10-14-2008, 04:24 PM
The intention of the zone blitz is deception. Assuming the O-line is keeping an eye on Mario and pushing additional coverage to his side to double him dropping him back can confuse the guy that is doubling and allow LBs to push through holes which might not be picked up by the FB or RB in to block.

I am not saying it is working or not working for the Texans I am just saying it is not that unlikely to see a DE in short coverage from time to time.

That's true......but it doesn't work here. It's like asking Peyton to scramble on 3rd and 10. It's just turning a strength into a glaring weakness. Luckily I haven't seen it the past few games so hopefully Smith scrapped it.

Polo
10-14-2008, 04:24 PM
Get off of it.......our team was 7 total sacks.......Mario has 6 sacks, if Mario isn't sacking the QB our team isn't sacking the QB. They could throw 3 guys at Mario (and they are at times) and we still aren't getting to the QB.




It's not uncommon for teams to have one or two dominant pass rushers that get most of the sacks....

Texans aren't a great pass rushing team....Doesn't mean Smith should stop calling plays that give other guys chances to make plays/cause pressure because he feels like he only has one shot in Mario...

Glad to see you like to take the losers way out though...

Carr Bombed
10-14-2008, 04:27 PM
Anyways, I think it's a great deal for both teams. Cowboys gave up a good amount of picks, but they got a proven player (a player that will become elite on a winning team) and I'll take one proven pro bowl talent over 3 no names.

Lions needed the picks though.....they are in complete rebuild mode........or continued build mode, whatever you want to call it.

Carr Bombed
10-14-2008, 04:31 PM
It's not uncommon for teams to have one or two dominant pass rushers that gets most of the sacks....

Texans aren't a great pass rushing team....Doesn't mean Smith should stop calling plays that give other guys chances to make plays/cause pressure because he feels like he only has one shot in Mario...

Glad to see you like to take the losers way out though...

I'm not taking the losers way out.......really don't even understand how the hell you can call that "the losers way out". It's stupid.

Mario is our pass rush, the stats prove it.....he's a beast IN THE BACKFIELD! Pulling him away from the line is calling for disaster...(the first time that play works, will be the first time)...out thinking yourself and making the game more complicated than it really is, is what leads to losing football. Tell Mario to kill QB....Mario likes to kill QBs...it's not really that hard.

JCTexan
10-14-2008, 04:42 PM
With Williams being traded to the Cowboys that means that 3 of the 4 WR that the Lions have drafted in the first round are no longer with the team & 2 of them are no longer in the NFL. Calvin Johnson is the only one left and he's only in his second year with them. That's bad drafting.

Carr Bombed
10-14-2008, 04:47 PM
Roy Williams was a good draft pick.......he just got tired of being on a crappy team. Which should make us very thankful Andre hasn't asked to be traded yet, because the Texans have been just as crappy.

GuerillaBlack
10-14-2008, 04:48 PM
I'm not taking the losers way out.......really don't even understand how the hell you can call that "the losers way out". It's stupid.

Mario is our pass rush, the stats prove it.....he's a beast IN THE BACKFIELD! Pulling him away from the line is calling for disaster...(the first time that play works, will be the first time)...out thinking yourself and making the game more complicated than it really is, is what leads to losing football. Tell Mario to kill QB....Mario likes to kill QBs...it's not really that hard.

I've seen Demarcus Ware drop back into coverage a few times. No reason why Mario can't, though I really don't recommend it. He's best killing the QB, like you said.

Texecutioner
10-14-2008, 04:49 PM
No one ever said Williams didn't work hard. Are all of the other wRs they have underachieving since they play for the Lions and don't do anything...like Calvin Johnson. He has been banged up. They gave up a 1st, a 3rd and a 6th. they have multiple 3rds and are getting a pick back for PacMan. So their 1st will be late most likely. Overall they get a guy younger than their aging top guy now.

Yes they have said that Roy Williams doesn't have the strongest work ethic. It has been that way since he was at Texas. He has just been so gifted talent wise that it was a lot easier for him in college against inferior defenses in the Big 12 South when he was playing.

He has had a reputation for being somewhat soft in Detroit and not working as hard as he could or giving full effort in games in Detroit. His lack of production over the years compared to what was expected of him has only been evidence of that. I'm not saying that he can't turn it around or anything in the right situation, but he has really only had one real good season, and he hasn't improved since that season and this has just been another disappointing season as well.

Jerry Jones gave up way to much to get Roy Williams. NO way would I have even given up a first rounder for Williams. At this point of his career, he is just living off of the hype that he had coming into the league. He hasn't been what people thought he would be. He is also known for being a very arrogant guy as well, and many of his team mates didn't even like him much at Texas.

Texan_Bill
10-14-2008, 04:51 PM
I've seen Demarcus Ware drop back into coverage a few times. No reason why Mario can't, though I really don't recommend it. He's best killing the QB, like you said.

That's exactly the point Carr Bombed (and me on the previous page) were making. He's best killing the QB! In fact, he's the only one killing the QB.. If you want to drop a DE, drop Weaver. Surely he won't be any worse in coverage than he is at getting to the QB.

JCTexan
10-14-2008, 04:56 PM
Roy Williams was a good draft pick.......he just got tired of being on a crappy team. Which should make us very thankful Andre hasn't asked to be traded yet, because the Texans have been just as crappy.

Yeah I agree... Williams was a good pick, but Mike Williams & Charles Rogers wasn't. Going 2/4 in drafting a top ten WR isn't good drafting.

And yes I am thankful we have AJ, he doesn't have the mouth of other WR's in the NFL with his kind of talent. (Moss, TO, Chad Johnson, to name a few)

Blazing Arrow
10-14-2008, 05:19 PM
That's exactly the point Carr Bombed (and me on the previous page) were making. He's best killing the QB! In fact, he's the only one killing the QB.. If you want to drop a DE, drop Weaver. Surely he won't be any worse in coverage than he is at getting to the QB.

Weaver plays weak side right? I think if you are going to drop a guy you want to drop the strong side DE so he is matched up on the #1 TE or typically that is how it is played.

dtran04
10-14-2008, 05:48 PM
So a thread about Roy Williams being traded to the Cowboys turns into Mario Williams and zone blitzing...

At least they have the same last name I guess....

nunusguy
10-14-2008, 07:35 PM
Roy Williams was a good draft pick.......he just got tired of being on a crappy team. Which should make us very thankful Andre hasn't asked to be traded yet, because the Texans have been just as crappy.
Good point, though I'd definitely entertain a trade for AJ and expect the kind of deal the Lions got. And aren't AJ & Williams very comparable players ?
Both WRs, very talented playmakes with size & excellent speed & both still young and in their prime ?
Leads me to conclude the Cowboys did not overpay for Williams.

Second Honeymoon
10-14-2008, 08:15 PM
Good point, though I'd definitely entertain a trade for AJ and expect the kind of deal the Lions got. And aren't AJ & Williams very comparable players ?
Both WRs, very talented playmakes with size & excellent speed & both still young and in their prime ?
Leads me to conclude the Cowboys did not overpay for Williams.

Andre > Roy

Koolaid Time
10-14-2008, 08:25 PM
If this becomes reality, the Lions have nobody to throw to Sunday.

Maybe its time for Calvin Johnson?

mexican_texan
10-14-2008, 08:29 PM
Maybe its time for Calvin Johnson?
I don't know where you're going with this, but I like it.
http://www.kbga.org/blog/wp-content/calvinjohnson.jpg

b0ng
10-14-2008, 08:55 PM
Weaver plays weak side right? I think if you are going to drop a guy you want to drop the strong side DE so he is matched up on the #1 TE or typically that is how it is played.

If that's how the play works that's fine however, there is no reason to think that Mario Williams can match-up with any TE whatsoever unless it's in a pass-blocking situation. If you're going to take Mario off of the line, you might as well just call a complete prevent play because nobody is going to make the QB feel anything but good about his O-line.

If you have to zone blitz, Weaver is the defender to put in a zone, not because he's good at it, but because Mario not eating up 3 blocks isn't going to free anybody to get to the QB.

And Demarcus Ware is an OLB in a 3-4 defensive scheme who has played in that scheme for at least 3 or 4 years. He's been asked to cover on numerous occasions and is not that terrible at it.

Mario Williams doesn't have the experience, nor do the Texans have the talent on the D-line, to worry about that.

Roy Williams is a good receiver but in no way is he worth 3 draft picks. Win now mode indeed.

GuerillaBlack
10-14-2008, 09:02 PM
Randy Moss only costs the Patriots, what, a 4th round pick? The Cowboys got Roy Williams for a 1st, 3rd, AND 6th? Damn.

WWJD
10-14-2008, 09:24 PM
Randy Moss only costs the Patriots, what, a 4th round pick? The Cowboys got Roy Williams for a 1st, 3rd, AND 6th? Damn.

The Cowboys have multiple picks next year and Jerry is always looking for FA's.

He could spare the picks and it's a player they've wanted for a few years. I heard his name tossed about even going back to last season.

He obviously was willing to roll those dice.

WesmanTexanfan
10-14-2008, 09:24 PM
I bet TO hates this

edo783
10-14-2008, 09:26 PM
I'm sure if they needed a CB they would have traded for one.:spit:

stingray
10-14-2008, 09:32 PM
Randy Moss only costs the Patriots, what, a 4th round pick? The Cowboys got Roy Williams for a 1st, 3rd, AND 6th? Damn.

The only reason that the Patriots got Randy Moss for only a fourth round pick is because of his baggage. Nobody wanted to touch him with a ten foot pole after his behavior in Oakland. The pats took a chance and so far it has paid off.

bah007
10-15-2008, 12:03 AM
I bet TO hates this

He's gonna love it when teams stop using double coverage against him because Witten, Williams, & Barber are tearing them up.

HoustonFrog
10-15-2008, 09:26 AM
Yes they have said that Roy Williams doesn't have the strongest work ethic. It has been that way since he was at Texas. He has just been so gifted talent wise that it was a lot easier for him in college against inferior defenses in the Big 12 South when he was playing.

He has had a reputation for being somewhat soft in Detroit and not working as hard as he could or giving full effort in games in Detroit. His lack of production over the years compared to what was expected of him has only been evidence of that. I'm not saying that he can't turn it around or anything in the right situation, but he has really only had one real good season, and he hasn't improved since that season and this has just been another disappointing season as well.

Jerry Jones gave up way to much to get Roy Williams. NO way would I have even given up a first rounder for Williams. At this point of his career, he is just living off of the hype that he had coming into the league. He hasn't been what people thought he would be. He is also known for being a very arrogant guy as well, and many of his team mates didn't even like him much at Texas.

Well that is news to me because even Pallilo and others interviewed yesterday said that there was never any problems with his working hard and playing hard. He was just frustrated and stuck on a horrible team. I'll put it this way, after hearing Palillo praise the move and the losers at 610 jump all over the trash the Cowboys movement I'll trust the guy who actually knows sports. If the rumors you are talking about are semi-true, I'll chalk it up to Detroit until I see it :)

Texan_Bill
10-15-2008, 09:29 AM
Roy "no tippin" Williams will make a fine replacement for TO. I'm guessing this move was made for the anticipated TO meltdown....

BigBull17
10-15-2008, 11:38 AM
Good point, though I'd definitely entertain a trade for AJ and expect the kind of deal the Lions got. And aren't AJ & Williams very comparable players ?
Both WRs, very talented playmakes with size & excellent speed & both still young and in their prime ?
Leads me to conclude the Cowboys did not overpay for Williams.

Again I say, who are you gonna draft with a 1st, 3rd, and 6th to replace the best player your team has ever had. A top 5 WR doesnt fall off of trees.


Andre >>>>>>>>> Roy

Fixed it.

Brando
10-15-2008, 11:45 AM
No way this deal happens if Millen was still in Detroit, he loves WR's too much. I'm gonna give some credit to who ever in Detroit made this trade, brilliant!

bah007
10-15-2008, 11:56 AM
Dallas is stacked.

Williams probably makes a bigger impact than whoever they would have drafted in the 1st round anyway.

beerlover
10-15-2008, 12:25 PM
Good point, though I'd definitely entertain a trade for AJ and expect the kind of deal the Lions got. And aren't AJ & Williams very comparable players ?
Both WRs, very talented playmakes with size & excellent speed & both still young and in their prime ?
Leads me to conclude the Cowboys did not overpay for Williams.

comparable players? not even close, Andre has made the Pro-Bowl even on a bad team. better speed, route runner & creates physical mis-matches too. a better comp would be Calvin Johnson he has legit skills, size speed, hands the total package that made Roy expendable.

having said that its a good move for both teams, Detroit has other needs & its positive to have more quality draft picks to address those needs, while Jerry reloades with a Longhorn going into that new Billiondollar stadium with TO on the backside of his career :specnatz:

Second Honeymoon
10-15-2008, 01:55 PM
If they resign the guy to a longterm deal, the deal starts to look a little better.

Jerry may be crazy but I can't think of an owner that tries harder to win football games. I think it was a bad deal at face value, but it benefits Jerry a lot moving forward.

1. Takes a little focus off the PacMan debacle.

2. Gives Garrett the guy opposite TO he has been crying for. No more excuses.

3. Roy Williams was largely reported in the media as coming in to replace an 'aging Owens'. TO may now be more motivated to show that he still has it and that he isn't 'aging' or 'old'.

4. Gives him 'Owens Meltdown Insurance'. TO is one or two more losses away from having a serious meltdown on the coaches and QB/OL. Due to the structure of the deal, the Cowboys could just 'Keyshawn Johnson' the guy if he keeps mouthing off. You just put him on Inactive and just let him rot if he does anything stupid.

5. Helps them win football games. Having Roy opposite Owens should help the passing game, but it could pay some huge dividends in the running game as well. Pretty much both safeties are going to to have to be playing over the top on both sides on most down and distances with little thought on supporting the run.

6. Owens could show Roy what a real work ethic is and some of the tricks of the trade. This could bode well for Williams' future. The guy is still fast, can still jump out of the gym, can make the tough catch, and has got to be hungry to win after being in Detroit for 5years.

infantrycak
10-15-2008, 02:00 PM
If they resign the guy to a longterm deal, the deal starts to look a little better..

They did--5 years, $45 million. Same average salary as TO but $7 mil more guaranteed.

Brando
10-15-2008, 02:06 PM
They did--5 years, $45 million. Same average salary as TO but $7 mil more guaranteed.


Getcha popcorn ready!:popcorn:

ChampionTexan
10-15-2008, 02:36 PM
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ChampionTexan
10-15-2008, 02:54 PM
Well that is news to me because even Pallilo and others interviewed yesterday said that there was never any problems with his working hard and playing hard. He was just frustrated and stuck on a horrible team. I'll put it this way, after hearing Palillo praise the move and the losers at 610 jump all over the trash the Cowboys movement I'll trust the guy who actually knows sports. If the rumors you are talking about are semi-true, I'll chalk it up to Detroit until I see it :)

Not saying it's correct, just saying it's out there

From the Article:
Disgruntled in Detroit, Williams had his commitment and work ethic questioned. But coming to Dallas, where he has long hoped to land someday, might bring out a different player. He will try to turn around a slow start that includes just 17 catches for 232 yards and one touchdown.

Link (http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/976652.html)

bah007
10-15-2008, 02:58 PM
Not saying it's correct, just saying it's out there



Link (http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/976652.html)

To be fair to Williams:

Jon Kitna was his QB.

Spled
10-16-2008, 05:00 PM
Kitna and that soft Detroit offensive line isn't exactly like playing with Peyton Manning. Williams numbers should improve with a better team.