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Sal Rosenberg
10-13-2008, 11:34 AM
Broken pinky...just heard it on espn
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3640890

Texan_Bill
10-13-2008, 11:38 AM
Broken pinky...just heard it on espn
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3640890

Ruh roh!!!! Could be some trouble for the gurls....

chicagotexan2
10-13-2008, 11:40 AM
Oh NOOOOO!!! How is he supposed to sip his tea w/o being able to stick his pinky out? I feel so bad for the Cowboys. No, not really, not at all.

gtexan02
10-13-2008, 11:41 AM
Thats got to be the wussiest injury ever. Broken Pinkie?

Texan_Bill
10-13-2008, 11:42 AM
Upcoming schedule:
@ Saint Louis
Tampa Bay
@ NY Giants
Bye week.......

They catch a break with St. Louis and their Bye week... But the Bucs game and especially the Giants game can be tough...

Second Honeymoon
10-13-2008, 11:45 AM
tough break for the Pokes...i felt they were a paper tiger anyway in 2008. they are still missing a quality veteran to lead them through the playoffs and until they get that guy, they will probably keep failing in the postseason.

i feel bad for Romo though because although he is a choker he is a great individual and a class act.

WWJD
10-13-2008, 11:45 AM
Too bad.

eriadoc
10-13-2008, 11:45 AM
Didn't Favre play with a broken thumb? On his throwing hand?

Romo, I'm not impressed.

Sal Rosenberg
10-13-2008, 11:47 AM
BJ might make them better but ehhh who cares??

eriadoc
10-13-2008, 11:53 AM
BJ won't likely make as many plays to win games in the regular season, but fortunately, Romo will be back in time to make his annual catastrophic mistake in the playoffs. Looking forward to that.

Hookem Horns
10-13-2008, 11:54 AM
Great, now Cowboy fan has a built in excuse for losing for the next 4 weeks especially against the Giants.

TexansLucky13
10-13-2008, 11:55 AM
Broken PINKY?

:spit:

StarStruck
10-13-2008, 12:01 PM
Great, now Cowboy fan has a built in excuse for losing for the next 4 weeks especially against the Giants.

Excuse? Personally, I felt that the last few weeks have been marked with under achievement. Whoop, there it is! They are still my team and always will be, and while thankful for the few wins we have gotten, we have the talent to do better than what's been displayed so far. I think that BJ has the potential to fill in for Romo and be a good leader. We shall see.

HoustonFrog
10-13-2008, 12:12 PM
Excuse? Personally, I felt that the last few weeks have been marked with under achievement. Whoop, there it is! They are still my team and always will be, and while thankful for the few wins we have gotten, we have the talent to do better than what's been displayed so far. I think that BJ has the potential to fill in for Romo and be a good leader. We shall see.

Agree. No excuses. They were playing below expectations and were lsitless. Maybe this will force them to run and play real football.

Hookem Horns
10-13-2008, 12:13 PM
Excuse? Personally, I felt that the last few weeks have been marked with under achievement. Whoop, there it is! They are still my team and always will be, and while thankful for the few wins we have gotten, we have the talent to do better than what's been displayed so far. I think that BJ has the potential to fill in for Romo and be a good leader. We shall see.

Maybe you are one of those rare Cowboys fans. However posts like this one I found on ESPN.com are so typical from Cowboys fans.

arizona didn't beat the boys, the boys did the same thing they did against the giants last year in the playoffs, they beat themselves, so uh..... try not to get a big head cardinals fans your team still sucks

HoustonFrog
10-13-2008, 12:15 PM
Maybe you are one of those rare Cowboys fans. However posts like this one I found on ESPN.com are so typical from Cowboys fans.

We have already discussed this many times. There are a majority of really good Cowboy fans that understand sports. Read about the San Antonio guy and the letter I wrote to him. you can't just pick out a few jackasses....there are some here too..and say its typical.

I do think it is funny how a cowboy injury brings so much joy..typical.

Hookem Horns
10-13-2008, 12:21 PM
We have already discussed this many times. There are a majority of really good Cowboy fans that understand sports. Read about the San Antonio guy and the letter I wrote to him. you can't just pick out a few jackasses....there are some here too..and say its typical.

I do think it is funny how a cowboy injury brings so much joy..typical.

So the majority of the GOOD Cowboys fans understand sports. I can agree with that. However my point is the GOOD Cowboys fans are in the minority. The "jackasses" are the majority. At least that is what I have seen everywhere I have lived (Houston, New York, Philly, Dallas, Austin).

WWJD
10-13-2008, 12:22 PM
The Cowboys got schooled yesterday..their O line looked like they had never played a down of football together EVER and Tony was running for his life basically the whole game.

Their special teams have been horrid for years now.

HoustonFrog
10-13-2008, 12:26 PM
So the majority of the GOOD Cowboys fans understand sports. I can agree with that. However my point is the GOOD Cowboys fans are in the minority. The "jackasses" are the majority. At least that is what I have seen everywhere I have lived (Houston, New York, Philly, Dallas, Austin).

I disagree but I can see it if you are looking for it. I think all teams have them and maybe with the media and the Cowboys the a-holes stand out.

HoustonFrog
10-13-2008, 12:27 PM
The Cowboys got schooled yesterday..their O line looked like they had never played a down of football together EVER and Tony was running for his life basically the whole game.

Their special teams have been horrid for years now.

Hopefully this forces them to run the ball now and play real football.

WWJD
10-13-2008, 12:30 PM
Hopefully this forces them to run the ball now and play real football.

Yep. Jason has that "run up the middle for 1 yard" play down to a science.

Tedc
10-13-2008, 12:46 PM
Romo Out 4 weeks Due to Broken Pinky

Pinky swear?

Dread-Head
10-13-2008, 02:06 PM
Thats got to be the wussiest injury ever. Broken Pinkie?

LOL. Steve McNair played with:

a. Cracked ribs
b. an ankle sprain
c. a wrenched neck
d. a trick knee

Simultaneously!

Mr. Warren Moon:

a. Cracked ribs.

Donovan McNabb

a. Played an entire game on a broken ankle

Dan Pastorini

a. Broken Ribs
b. Concussion

Troy Aikman

a. Concussion


Tomasina Brady

a. played with a splint on one hand.


QB's have been playing with broken bones and serious injuries since the dawn of time but THIS pretty boy wuss has ...the BALLZ to sit out 4 games...with a broken PINKY!? Why doesn't he change his name from Romo to Massengil? If she just wanted to spend more time with her GF Jessica Simpson why didn't she just say so. What a punk.

Hooston Texan
10-13-2008, 02:12 PM
While watching Hard Knocks before the season, I couldn't help but think: this should be a great team, but if they hit some rough waters, that boat's going to sink. Now we're about to see if that is correct . . .

GuerillaBlack
10-13-2008, 02:14 PM
I disagree but I can see it if you are looking for it. I think all teams have them and maybe with the media and the Cowboys the a-holes stand out.

They definitely do. I live in Dallas now, and before the Redskin loss, they a-hole fans were everywhere. That Redskin loss quieted a lot of them.

Dread-Head
10-13-2008, 02:19 PM
They definitely do. I live in Dallas now, and before the Redskin loss, they a-hole fans were everywhere. That Redskin loss quieted a lot of them.

Q: How do you tell the diff between a Cowboy fan an an A-hole?

A: How do you tell cow $h:t from bull $h:t? There's REALLY not much difference worth discussing.

HoustonFrog
10-13-2008, 02:25 PM
They definitely do. I live in Dallas now, and before the Redskin loss, they a-hole fans were everywhere. That Redskin loss quieted a lot of them.

Well, if you want my blunt opinion there can be quite a few aholes at times here to the Cowboy fans who are actually nice and it ends up being the same thing...just look at the comments around here some time. That is why I believe it is a minority in each fan base. But it also comes down to how thin skinned people are. There are obnoxious a-holes but there is also good natured fan taunting that some people take personally.

GuerillaBlack
10-13-2008, 02:32 PM
Well, if you want my blunt opinion there can be quite a few aholes at times here to the Cowboy fans who are actually nice and it ends up being the same thing...just look at the comments around here some time. That is why I believe it is a minority in each fan base. But it also comes down to how thin skinned people are. There are obnoxious a-holes but there is also good natured fan taunting that some people take personally.

I don't know. To me, there are more a-hole cowboy fans than anything else. If you speak bad upon them, it's always "oh yeah, well how many super bowls has your team won?!!". That's all they fall back on when losing a conversation.

HoustonFrog
10-13-2008, 02:39 PM
I don't know. To me, there are more a-hole cowboy fans than anything else. If you speak bad upon them, it's always "oh yeah, well how many super bowls has your team won?!!". That's all they fall back on when losing a conversation.

Well, that is old to many of us that are Cowboy fans but that is more sports in general with the "scoreboard" mentality. I hear that daily with "druggies", crackheads", etc, etc daily. What does that have to do with the team now?As I said, I've experienced a ton of a-holes from rivals in especially in Houston and I blow it off as the exception when I hear real fans who don't resort to it.

Dread-Head
10-13-2008, 04:24 PM
I don't know. To me, there are more a-hole cowboy fans than anything else. If you speak bad upon them, it's always "oh yeah, well how many super bowls has your team won?!!". That's all they fall back on when losing a conversation.

THAT's part of why I hate those muff-huggas so much. And that's precisely why they hate the 9ers. The 9ers won as many superbowls...but it only took them one team and five trips. They can't do the whole "we won more than you" BS on the 9ers or Steelers because both teams have also won 5 and one team made it to five LONG before the Cowgirls did.

HoustonFrog
10-13-2008, 04:38 PM
THAT's part of why I hate those muff-huggas so much. And that's precisely why they hate the 9ers. The 9ers won as many superbowls...but it only took them one team and five trips. They can't do the whole "we won more than you" BS on the 9ers or Steelers because both teams have also won 5 and one team made it to five LONG before the Cowgirls did.

That really doesn't mean a thing...time period. The Cowboys won 5 and got there 8 times. They also set an NFL record for winning seasons straight...20 and did alot of their damage in 3 different decades. That is proof of longevity and not one good run. That actually shows more. Since when have the 49ers been relavent except for fighting for #1 picks?

Hookem Horns
10-13-2008, 04:41 PM
Romo out for 4 weeks. TO out of the closet with his Erkle fetish.

http://f3.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__7/ept_sports_nfl_experts-212478003-1223914927.jpg?ymwmQKAD4Veh_h4O

Silver Oak
10-13-2008, 08:01 PM
if Johnson doesn't get him the ball, that freak show in Dallas is going to explode.

mattieuk
10-13-2008, 08:12 PM
Wow, bad break (no pun intended) for the Boys, especially after the tough loss at the weekend. It does sound a bit wimpy though. Until i see his finger like a zigzag, I think he's overplaying it a bit. Didn't he play the whole game nearly with it broke, and threw for 3 TD and a whole heck load of yards?

Surely Jessica could strap it up real good for him so he could play...

StarStruck
10-13-2008, 10:00 PM
That injury was just too familiar which caused me to go and do a google search on Kurt Warner. Interestingly enough, it was his pinky finger that was injured in a game against the Cowboys back when he played for St. Louis. Hopefully, Romo's injury won't cause nearly the problems that Kurt endured following his injury.

WWJD
10-13-2008, 10:40 PM
Wow, bad break (no pun intended) for the Boys, especially after the tough loss at the weekend. It does sound a bit wimpy though. Until i see his finger like a zigzag, I think he's overplaying it a bit. Didn't he play the whole game nearly with it broke, and threw for 3 TD and a whole heck load of yards?

Surely Jessica could strap it up real good for him so he could play...

He hurt it in overtime. First play and wasn't able to throw the ball afterwards.

I would just guess...now this is only a guess...that it is NOT Tony that is saying he can't play for 4 weeks but a qualified medical doctor. But that's just me. But if people want to say HE is overplaying it well then so be it.

Dread-Head
10-14-2008, 12:43 AM
That really doesn't mean a thing...time period. The Cowboys won 5 and got there 8 times. They also set an NFL record for winning seasons straight...20 and did alot of their damage in 3 different decades. That is proof of longevity and not one good run. That actually shows more. Since when have the 49ers been relavent except for fighting for #1 picks?

Hmmm. So by YOUR logic, five trips and five wins means MUCH less than 8 trips and 5 wins.

By MY math the 9ers success ratio in Superbowls is 100%. The Cowboys record 62.5%. Mind you I'm not expert here but last I checked

100 > 62.5

If you don't think so, why don't I give you $ 62.50 and you can give me a nice crispy $ 100.00 bill. Now then, by your own twisted logic the Buffalo Bills of the 90's were a better team than your boys because they went four years straight despite NOT WINNING! The Cowgirls went three times in four years and won those three so I view them as the better Team (despite one of those SB's being a GIFT from Neil O'Donnel) but according to YOUR logic Buffalo was clearly the Superior Team. By that Record, the Steelers of the 70's and early 80's sucked compared to the Cowboys because they only went to four superbowls and won all four rather than going to five and losing three. The Broncos have gone to six and won two...does that almost as great as the Cowboys?
Face it. The 9ers went to five with the nucleus of ONE TEAM and won all five and did so before a certain group of braggarts from North Texas did.

Deal with it.

Dread-Head
10-14-2008, 01:02 AM
K. I feel I have to clarify something. There are Cowgirl fans who are relatively decent human beings like Starstruck. She is a fantastic lady and the venom which I FREQUENTLY spew in here to the Dallas Cowboy organization is NOT intended directly for her.
She is an all around class act and should teach classes in civility, dignity and sportsmanship to the Cowboy fans who have given the bulk of the NFL a bad impression of Cowboy fans.


Despite my respect for this charming woman, I would like to state for the record that the immeasurable rancor which I feel towards the Dallas Cowboy organization (which excludes Landry, Dorsette and Aikman) not only remains in tact but festers like molasses on hot asphalt in mid August. My late Sunday activity remains watching them play and cheering on whoever their opponent is that week and shall remain thus until the sun has gone supernova and my bones have long since rotted away, turned to dust and been carried into the universe in a cloud of hydrogen that shall begin a second big bang, which shall create all time in a loop of itself in which...my future self shall despise them with every fibre of his being.


THAT my friends is how one expresses hated!

eriadoc
10-14-2008, 01:50 AM
If Romo actually sits out for 3 or 4 weeks with a broken pinky, he needs to have his man card revoked. Yeah, I know it's a doctor telling him. I also know lots of QBs have played with worse injuries when their teams needed it.

HoustonFrog
10-14-2008, 09:54 AM
Hmmm. So by YOUR logic, five trips and five wins means MUCH less than 8 trips and 5 wins.

By MY math the 9ers success ratio in Superbowls is 100%. The Cowboys record 62.5%. Mind you I'm not expert here but last I checked

100 > 62.5

If you don't think so, why don't I give you $ 62.50 and you can give me a nice crispy $ 100.00 bill. Now then, by your own twisted logic the Buffalo Bills of the 90's were a better team than your boys because they went four years straight despite NOT WINNING! The Cowgirls went three times in four years and won those three so I view them as the better Team (despite one of those SB's being a GIFT from Neil O'Donnel) but according to YOUR logic Buffalo was clearly the Superior Team. By that Record, the Steelers of the 70's and early 80's sucked compared to the Cowboys because they only went to four superbowls and won all four rather than going to five and losing three. The Broncos have gone to six and won two...does that almost as great as the Cowboys?
Face it. The 9ers went to five with the nucleus of ONE TEAM and won all five and did so before a certain group of braggarts from North Texas did.

Deal with it.

Dread, I've always been respectful on here to you and others. I've never had cross words with you. Maybe you should learn the same. You are doing the same thing you claim to despise by trying to go out of your way to be difficult and an a-hole. Its unnecessary. Also, I never said that 100% was less of a record. I said that the Cowboys have had the consistency, including 20 straight winning seasons(a record)...over 3-4 decades and that the consistency and making it to 8 SBs is a major feat. I said that this MAY be a harder feat overall then making just one run in one decade. Also, I'm not sure when you grew up but before the 49ers had done anything, the Cowboys had already established themselves as a premier team and had played in multiple SBs(5 of them in the 70s), including classics against the Steelers and Colts and had won vs Miami and Denver. That doesn't even include the Ice Bowl vs the Packers in the late 60s. So the whole "braggarts from N. Texas" is really weak and completely wrong. If you want to figure out why some Cowboy fans might respond badly to you, look at your writing. Grow up and show some of us the same respect that we have shown you for a long time now.

WWJD
10-14-2008, 11:09 AM
I'm fairly confident in saying that if Tony could play he would.

I'm also fairly confident in saying that if he can't throw the ball it really wouldn't do much good for him to try when you have a guy that can. And is paid to do just that.

HoustonFrog
10-14-2008, 11:19 AM
If Romo actually sits out for 3 or 4 weeks with a broken pinky, he needs to have his man card revoked. Yeah, I know it's a doctor telling him. I also know lots of QBs have played with worse injuries when their teams needed it.

Are you kidding?Have you tried to grip and throw a football without the pinky? That makes no sense at all. The pinky is the last finger that "pushes off" when throwing. It is part of the grip. I guess having the flu is more manly.

I'm fairly confident in saying that if Tony could play he would.

I'm also fairly confident in saying that if he can't throw the ball it really wouldn't do much good for him to try when you have a guy that can. And is paid to do just that.

Rational talk does no good around here...don't you know.:)

GlassHalfFull
10-14-2008, 11:23 AM
Are you kidding?Have you tried to grip and throw a football without the pinky. That makes no sense at all. The pinky is the last finger that "pushes off" when throwing. This makes no sense at all. I guess having the flu is more manly.

If he was dedicated, he would just cut it off. link (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6039884.html)

:specnatz:

HOU-TEX
10-14-2008, 11:26 AM
Are you kidding?Have you tried to grip and throw a football without the pinky? That makes no sense at all. The pinky is the last finger that "pushes off" when throwing. It is part of the grip. I guess having the flu is more manly.


Didn't Favre play with a broken thumb? I reckon that would be more difficult to play with than a pinky. :worm:

:includeme:

HoustonFrog
10-14-2008, 11:34 AM
If he was dedicated, he would just cut it off. link (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6039884.html)

:specnatz:

Ronnie Lott did it one time.

Didn't Favre play with a broken thumb? I reckon that would be more difficult to play with than a pinky. :worm:

:includeme:

Not sure if he did or not. I think it was a bone crack. I think this is torn ligaments and a lower break. I jave no clue. That would be tough, I just think that if fumbling Romo has trouble pre-pinky, then the ball would get swiped 20 times post-pinky. From all I read yesterday from ex-Qbs and stuff not having the pinky is not easy and isn't something you'd want to try.

WWJD
10-14-2008, 11:34 AM
Geez...he CANNOT grip the football.

I'd be totally po'd if he played next week and never completed a pass just so he can get some man award to show he can take the pain.

Mr teX
10-14-2008, 11:40 AM
Are you kidding?Have you tried to grip and throw a football without the pinky? That makes no sense at all. The pinky is the last finger that "pushes off" when throwing. It is part of the grip. I guess having the flu is more manly.



Rational talk does no good around here...don't you know.:)



actually it's the index finger, but i'm with you.....any injury to a Qb's throwing hand usually sidelines them. You can't use freaks like favre as an example b/c the man defies everything.

HoustonFrog
10-14-2008, 11:52 AM
actually it's the index finger, but i'm with you.....any injury to a Qb's throwing hand usually sidelines them. You can't use freaks like favre as an example b/c the man defies everything.

The push off finger? You still have to use it in the puch though as it then sticks out. Either way, we agree, gripping and throwing is not something that is done.

Second Honeymoon
10-14-2008, 12:04 PM
if it's the index finger, i think the Cowboys season ended in Arizona. other than your thumb, its probably the most important finger to throw a spiral and accurate pass.

i thought they have been too pass happy anyways. Jones looks really good and if they commit to the running game it will just open up the rest of the people. of course that would risk a TO meltdown if he doesn't get the ball so they will probably still throw the ball around a lot regardless of who is behind center.

StarStruck
10-14-2008, 01:04 PM
I think this is a question that bears repeating. Wasn't it Kurt Warner's broken pinky finger that almost derailed his career?

Also, at this time, I am not really worried about Brad Johnson, our back up quarterback since he has playoff and Super Bowl experience. On the otherhand, if our back up was someone with less experience and getting a first opportunity to carry the team during Romo's absence, I would probably hope for and 8/8 or 9/7 at best.

HOU-TEX
10-14-2008, 01:13 PM
I think this is a question that bears repeating. Wasn't it Kurt Warner's broken pinky finger that almost derailed his career?

Also, at this time, I am not really worried about Brad Johnson, our back up quarterback since he has playoff and Super Bowl experience. On the otherhand, if our back up was someone with less experience and getting a first opportunity to carry the team during Romo's absence, I would probably hope for and 8/8 or 9/7 at best.

You'd better hope Brad straps his Depends up nice and tight because he's going to take some licks. :tiphat:

WWJD
10-14-2008, 01:13 PM
if it's the index finger, i think the Cowboys season ended in Arizona. other than your thumb, its probably the most important finger to throw a spiral and accurate pass.

i thought they have been too pass happy anyways. Jones looks really good and if they commit to the running game it will just open up the rest of the people. of course that would risk a TO meltdown if he doesn't get the ball so they will probably still throw the ball around a lot regardless of who is behind center.

Felix Jones is out with a hamstring injury for 2-4 weeks.

WWJD
10-14-2008, 01:15 PM
You'd better hope Brad straps his Depends up nice and tight because he's going to take some licks. :tiphat:

He's been there, done that so I'm sure he knows what to expect.

HOU-TEX
10-14-2008, 02:44 PM
He's been there, done that so I'm sure he knows what to expect.

I know, I'z just makin a crack on the ol'geezer. :)

StarStruck
10-14-2008, 02:53 PM
I know, I'z just makin a crack on the ol'geezer. :)

Ol'geezer???? Hey, Favre and Warner aren't doing too bad, considering that thing called old age for football players.

HOU-TEX
10-14-2008, 03:12 PM
Ol'geezer???? Hey, Favre and Warner aren't doing too bad, considering that thing called old age for football players.

LOL! Y'all are getting a little over protective of the old man aren't ya? I guess it was a sore subject to crack jokes on??

I don't have a problem with Bledso.....er...Johnson. I just think he's going to be a sitting duck behind a line that supposedly one of the best.

Texan_Bill
10-14-2008, 03:18 PM
Ol'geezer???? Hey, Favre and Warner aren't doing too bad, considering that thing called old age for football players.

Ummm, both Favre and Warner have made starts since 2006....(??)


Just sayin'.

WWJD
10-14-2008, 03:38 PM
LOL! Y'all are getting a little over protective of the old man aren't ya? I guess it was a sore subject to crack jokes on??

I don't have a problem with Bledso.....er...Johnson. I just think he's going to be a sitting duck behind a line that supposedly one of the best.

Well if the line is one of the best they'll get back on track and he won't get touched. If they play like they did last Sunday he'll be in trouble.

I'm kind of amused at the old geezer stuff...suffice it to say I think a 40 year old that plays in the NFL is in probably much better shape than a 40 year old walking the street. :)

HOU-TEX
10-14-2008, 03:55 PM
Well if the line is one of the best they'll get back on track and he won't get touched. If they play like they did last Sunday he'll be in trouble.

I'm kind of amused at the old geezer stuff...suffice it to say I think a 40 year old that plays in the NFL is in probably much better shape than a 40 year old walking the street. :)

*Looks down at toolshed* Um, I suppose you got me on that one. LMAO!

And I'm only 38.

WWJD
10-14-2008, 03:59 PM
*Looks down at toolshed* Um, I suppose you got me on that one. LMAO!

And I'm only 38.

I'm older so of course I'm gonna support the "OLDER" NFL guys...but I still think they could run rings around most 40 year olds I know anyway.

Bear in mind that us old folks have each other backs!

CloakNNNdagger
10-15-2008, 09:30 AM
A very "entertaining" look by the Dallas Morning Star (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/101508dnsposherrington.30887e0.html)at the Girls' meltdown

HoustonFrog
10-15-2008, 10:24 AM
A very "entertaining" look by the Dallas Morning Star (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/101508dnsposherrington.30887e0.html)at the Girls' meltdown

I am assuming the "Star" is a joke about the trash rag. I wish we had a paper like the DMN here. Their sports section and other areas are far superior than the crap we get here.

Dread-Head
10-15-2008, 04:19 PM
Dread, I've always been respectful on here to you and others. I've never had cross words with you. Maybe you should learn the same. You are doing the same thing you claim to despise by trying to go out of your way to be difficult and an a-hole. Its unnecessary. Also, I never said that 100% was less of a record. I said that the Cowboys have had the consistency, including 20 straight winning seasons(a record)...over 3-4 decades and that the consistency and making it to 8 SBs is a major feat. I said that this MAY be a harder feat overall then making just one run in one decade. Also, I'm not sure when you grew up but before the 49ers had done anything, the Cowboys had already established themselves as a premier team and had played in multiple SBs(5 of them in the 70s), including classics against the Steelers and Colts and had won vs Miami and Denver. That doesn't even include the Ice Bowl vs the Packers in the late 60s. So the whole "braggarts from N. Texas" is really weak and completely wrong. If you want to figure out why some Cowboy fans might respond badly to you, look at your writing. Grow up and show some of us the same respect that we have shown you for a long time now.

I will be the first to admit that when it comes to the Dallas cowboy's (note I spelled it with a lowercase"C") I can be short sighted, juvenile and just plain mean. I have a great deal of respect for Tom Landry's Cowboys of the 70s, but when the Lizzard KING bought the team and fired the venrable gent my respect went by the wayside.
The fact remains that growing up as an Oiler fan I had Cowboy fans rubbing those two Superbowls in my face ad naseum and grew SICK of it. What's worse when my team packed up and went to Tennessee, the same Cowboy fans (many of whom were absent when a they acquired a brilliant young QB from UCLA whom I still love and only won one game) were the most obnoxious people on the planet and expected many Oiler fans to become defacto Cowboy fans as if we either had no choice or were the spoils of war.

I wasn't trying to rub you the wrong way, and will admit I did adopt a school yard mentality on this, but truthfully I and several Texan/former Oiler fans would like to see the Boys return to the civility of the Landry era rather than the Michael Irvin showboating that seems to flow through the veins of Terrel Owens (though he's always been a jerk) and the bulk of those on the current roster.

I appologize not for what I said, nor for the passion contained within, but rather for the bitter, condescending way which I said it. BTW I wasn't being an A-hole, I was being a WHOLE @$$.

Respectfully,
DH

HoustonFrog
10-15-2008, 04:22 PM
I will be the first to admit that when it comes to the Dallas cowboy's (note I spelled it with a lowercase"C") I can be short sighted, juvenile and just plain mean. I have a great deal of respect for Tom Landry's Cowboys of the 70s, but when the Lizzard KING bought the team and fired the venrable gent my respect went by the wayside.
The fact remains that growing up as an Oiler fan I had Cowboy fans rubbing those two Superbowls in my face ad naseum and grew SICK of it. What's worse when my team packed up and went to Tennessee, the same Cowboy fans (many of whom were absent when a they acquired a brilliant young QB from UCLA whom I still love and only won one game) were the most obnoxious people on the planet and expected many Oiler fans to become defacto Cowboy fans as if we either had no choice or were the spoils of war.

I wasn't trying to rub you the wrong way, and will admit I did adopt a school yard mentality on this, but truthfully I and several Texan/former Oiler fans would like to see the Boys return to the civility of the Landry era rather than the Michael Irvin showboating that seems to flow through the veins of Terrel Owens (though he's always been a jerk) and the bulk of those on the current roster.

I appologize not for what I said, nor for the passion contained within, but rather for the bitter, condescending way which I said it. BTW I wasn't being an A-hole, I was being a WHOLE @$$.

Respectfully,
DH

Well I accept that and I know everyone has their reasons for hating on other teams. I am always just trying to show that there are many not like that...Star and WWJD included. Unfortunately these days I think there are always going to be TO types on every team. Many athletes today don't respect the game like they did back in the old days. Thanks for the post.

Texan_Bill
10-15-2008, 04:41 PM
Well I accept that and I know everyone has their reasons for hating on other teams. I am always just trying to show that there are many not like that...Star and WWJD included. Unfortunately these days I think there are always going to be TO types on every team. Many athletes today don't respect the game like they did back in the old days. Thanks for the post.

Cowboys suck...................??

:stirpot:


Just yanking your chaing Frog. :tease:

HoustonFrog
10-15-2008, 04:54 PM
Cowboys suck...................??

:stirpot:


Just yanking your chaing Frog. :tease:

I just blow you off ......stay away from my chain:ninja: :)

drewmar74
10-15-2008, 06:30 PM
I will be the first to admit that when it comes to the Dallas cowboy's (note I spelled it with a lowercase"C") I can be short sighted, juvenile and just plain mean. I have a great deal of respect for Tom Landry's Cowboys of the 70s, but when the Lizzard KING bought the team and fired the venrable gent my respect went by the wayside.
The fact remains that growing up as an Oiler fan I had Cowboy fans rubbing those two Superbowls in my face ad naseum and grew SICK of it. What's worse when my team packed up and went to Tennessee, the same Cowboy fans (many of whom were absent when a they acquired a brilliant young QB from UCLA whom I still love and only won one game) were the most obnoxious people on the planet and expected many Oiler fans to become defacto Cowboy fans as if we either had no choice or were the spoils of war.

I wasn't trying to rub you the wrong way, and will admit I did adopt a school yard mentality on this, but truthfully I and several Texan/former Oiler fans would like to see the Boys return to the civility of the Landry era rather than the Michael Irvin showboating that seems to flow through the veins of Terrel Owens (though he's always been a jerk) and the bulk of those on the current roster.

I appologize not for what I said, nor for the passion contained within, but rather for the bitter, condescending way which I said it. BTW I wasn't being an A-hole, I was being a WHOLE @$$.

Respectfully,
DH

Um... what he said. Exactly what he said.

bah007
10-15-2008, 08:45 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3645737

What a wimp...

HoustonFrog
10-15-2008, 10:27 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3645737

What a wimp...

Nice. Willing to play with the injury

Dread-Head
10-16-2008, 12:42 AM
Nice. Willing to play with the injury

"The Injury"? Is that Jessica Simpson's new nickname among Cowboy fans? If so, then I wouldn't mind playing with "The injury" either.

CloakNNNdagger
10-18-2008, 10:12 AM
TEXAS (TICKER) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txcowboysromo&prov=st&type=lgns) —Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo did not participate in practice Friday and has been listed as questionable for this weekend’s game against the St. Louis Rams.

Four days after being diagnosed with a broken pinkie finger on his throwing hand, Romo essentially stood in the middle of the practice field as a spectator during the Cowboys’ workout.

Although Cowboys coach Wade Phillips did not disclose details regarding Romo’s playing status, team owner Jerry Jones said that the two-time Pro Bowler will play Sunday against the Rams.

Jones made the announcement Friday on his weekly radio appearance with 1310 “The Ticket’s Norm Hitzges.”

“It’s very likely that he’ll be ready to play,” Jones said. “The question is, can he handle the pain?”
Phillips said a decision on Romo, who was expected to miss two to four weeks with the injury, has yet to be made. However, it appears as though the decision if Romo will play is not up to Phillips.

“Whatever Jerry says, I’m going with,” Phillips said.

Jones also said there is no concern about Romo causing further damage to the pinkie.

Romo wore a different wrap on his right hand Friday than the one he had for Thursday’s practice. During the media portion of practice, veteran Brad Johnson again took all the snaps with the first-team offense.

Romo was expected to miss three games with the injury, which he suffered on the first play of overtime in Sunday’s 30-24 loss to Arizona.

It makes me wonder why Stretch, reinforcing Favre's comments, would be putting pressure of his QB to take the road of playing this Sunday, instead of letting it play out as dictated by the situation. Saying that he has no concern about further pinkie damage is downright shallow. Maybe he can't further injure his pinkie (and that's even questionable depending if the location of the fracture involves the potential of injuring adjacent tendons and ligaments). But when a QB has pain in the broken pinkie even when taped or is "guarding" the digit, it will lead to changing/compensating his mechanics whether because of pain or inability to grip the ball, potentially leaving himself open to other parts of his body just because of his responses to rush of the D.

Even totally numbing the pinkie with injections will lead to similar scenarios due to inability to properly grip or inability to judge the true position of the ball in the hand or in space (proprioception). Either way, it could put his QB at unnecessary risk, not to mention what it could do to his confidence.


But go ahead, Stretch. Contribute to the meltdown.

WWJD
10-18-2008, 12:48 PM
Jerry is just talking to hear himself talk...ultimately the decision lies with Tony.

I think Brad Johnson will start this game against the Rams.

The Pencil Neck
10-18-2008, 02:30 PM
Jerry is just talking to hear himself talk...ultimately the decision lies with Tony.

I think Brad Johnson will start this game against the Rams.

I think Brad Johnson SHOULD start this game. I don't think guys that are injured and can't perform at their normal level should be playing IF their backup can perform better and give the team a better chance to win.

But I don't have the faith in Brad Johnson that a lot of the experts do. I've seen him play a lot of very bad football. Guys on the various shows are saying that Johnson will be a calming influence and that he'll take care of the ball and be a game manager and make good decisions. Well. His decision making has been really bad at times so I don't know how they've formed these opinions. Maybe they just think that vets are automatically game managers.

But here's my point, I think Johnson is bad but he's going to be better than Romo right now. This could be very bad for the Cowboys.

WWJD
10-18-2008, 02:36 PM
I think Brad Johnson SHOULD start this game. I don't think guys that are injured and can't perform at their normal level should be playing IF their backup can perform better and give the team a better chance to win.

But I don't have the faith in Brad Johnson that a lot of the experts do. I've seen him play a lot of very bad football. Guys on the various shows are saying that Johnson will be a calming influence and that he'll take care of the ball and be a game manager and make good decisions. Well. His decision making has been really bad at times so I don't know how they've formed these opinions. Maybe they just think that vets are automatically game managers.

But here's my point, I think Johnson is bad but he's going to be better than Romo right now. This could be very bad for the Cowboys.


Hmmm..interesting take. He's always been a very adequate QB to me. He's smart and WILL make good decisions. I don't actually think they will change their game plan at all with him in there. If anything offensively it will hurt more for them to not have Felix Jones in there.

I think he'll do fine. IF he plays.

kastofsna
10-19-2008, 12:39 AM
the biggest difference with Johnson obviously is his complete immobility. huge difference from Romo

otherwise, good QB, good decision-maker

The Pencil Neck
10-19-2008, 01:19 AM
the biggest difference with Johnson obviously is his complete immobility. huge difference from Romo

otherwise, good QB, good decision-maker

I don't know, maybe I just have selective memory, but I recall several multi-interception games from him. Wasn't he like 5 TD's and 13 picks in his last starting assignment? Granted, that was the Vikings, but still.

CloakNNNdagger
10-19-2008, 08:26 AM
I don't know, maybe I just have selective memory, but I recall several multi-interception games from him. Wasn't he like 5 TD's and 13 picks in his last starting assignment? Granted, that was the Vikings, but still.

Your're pretty close. Taking over after the Culpepper injury in 2005, Johnson led the Vikings to a 7-2 record as a starter, completing 184 of 294 passes for 1,885 yards with 12 touchdowns and just four interceptions. In the 10 games he played, he had two or more touchdown passes in five games and had just three games in which he threw an interception. BUT in 2006, he essentially reversed his stats throwing 9 touchdowns and 15 interceptions.

Johnson's career stats (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/playerStats?categoryId=70827)

CloakNNNdagger
10-19-2008, 09:04 AM
Some interesting background (note the -7 compared to the Texans -9 game)

One of the most bet on games heading into Sunday, the Dallas Cowboys vs. St. Louis Rams betting odds opened at Dallas -9 and that line has since settled in at -7 just about everywhere.

The away team has performed well in this series dating back to 1987, going 7-3, but Dallas and St. Louis have pretty much split wins over the last 4 games of this decade. In fact, aside from last season's game, the Rams have played Dallas pretty close. Only two of the games in this series over the last 10 won by Dallas were by a score of 6 points or more. Last season was the only true blow out win.

[LINK] (http://www.gambling911.com/sports/dallas-cowboys-vs-st-louis-rams-betting-odds-101808.html)

Silver Oak
10-19-2008, 09:09 AM
I am assuming the "Star" is a joke about the trash rag. I wish we had a paper like the DMN here. Their sports section and other areas are far superior than the crap we get here.

I used to argue with people 10-15 years ago about that same subject...when The Post was around and The Chron was forced to actually report news and dig for stories, but now, even with the advent of bloggers, I could not agree with you more Frog. The nations 4th largest city can't hire a good sportswriter?

Houston sports reporting blows.

The Pencil Neck
10-19-2008, 12:43 PM
Some interesting background (note the -7 compared to the Texans -9 game)

[LINK] (http://www.gambling911.com/sports/dallas-cowboys-vs-st-louis-rams-betting-odds-101808.html)

Yeah, but these Rams aren't the Rams of earlier in the century and the Cowboys aren't the same Cowboys of earlier in the century.

WWJD
10-19-2008, 02:44 PM
Yeah, but these Rams aren't the Rams of earlier in the century and the Cowboys aren't the same Cowboys of earlier in the century.

Don't know about that..I've spent many years watching the Cowboys and I've seen them when they've been the best and the worst. Right now they are not playing with any fire or heart...paper tigers!

Disappointing to me as a fan but I've seen it before.

HoustonFrog
10-19-2008, 03:31 PM
Don't know about that..I've spent many years watching the Cowboys and I've seen them when they've been the best and the worst. Right now they are not playing with any fire or heart...paper tigers!

Disappointing to me as a fan but I've seen it before.

I'm with you. I never make excuses for them. Part of me doesn't mind it happening because if you are going to play with no heart than things need to change and this is the type of thing that causes change.

WWJD
10-19-2008, 03:36 PM
I'm with you. I never make excuses for them. Part of me doesn't mind it happening because if you are going to play with no heart than things need to change and this is the type of thing that causes change.

Ah I've seen it before..you stay with one team long enough and you'll see it eventually.

They are not mentally tough in any way and when you aren't mentally tough in the NFL you make mistakes..you get exposed....you lose your composure...your weaknesses are glaring. No need to go on.:foottap:

Wade might as well put the "for sale" out at his home. He is done..done..done...

I'm not sure WHO could coach the Cowboys really...Jerry makes it so tough.

HoustonFrog
10-19-2008, 04:47 PM
Ah I've seen it before..you stay with one team long enough and you'll see it eventually.

They are not mentally tough in any way and when you aren't mentally tough in the NFL you make mistakes..you get exposed....you lose your composure...your weaknesses are glaring. No need to go on.:foottap:

Wade might as well put the "for sale" out at his home. He is done..done..done...

I'm not sure WHO could coach the Cowboys really...Jerry makes it so tough.

He does make it tough but he also gives you all you need to succeed and a huge backing. The problem is he did the right thing with Parcells and now he is reverting back with this talent. What bothers me though is that you can't coach heart and there are guys just rolling the helmet out. I'm not sure if that is a product of Wade or not.

WWJD
10-19-2008, 05:17 PM
He does make it tough but he also gives you all you need to succeed and a huge backing. The problem is he did the right thing with Parcells and now he is reverting back with this talent. What bothers me though is that you can't coach heart and there are guys just rolling the helmet out. I'm not sure if that is a product of Wade or not.

At least I have the Horns!

The Cowboys have no leaders. On the bench or on the field. And that's being exposed big time right now.

HoustonFrog
10-19-2008, 09:15 PM
At least I have the Horns!

The Cowboys have no leaders. On the bench or on the field. And that's being exposed big time right now.

And i have the Frogs

CloakNNNdagger
10-19-2008, 09:53 PM
He does make it tough but he also gives you all you need to succeed and a huge backing. The problem is he did the right thing with Parcells and now he is reverting back with this talent. What bothers me though is that you can't coach heart and there are guys just rolling the helmet out. I'm not sure if that is a product of Wade or not.



I feel somewhat sorry for Wade. I have to wonder how much control he has been given from the gitgo. I don't know that he has had much to say as far as personel picks. Certainly, it takes a good coach to direct players. It takes more than money alone. It takes more than having a hodge podge collection of talent on a team. Beyond that, someone or someones have to have the talent or at least the insight to recognize "CHEMISTRY." This is what the head "someone" in this case seems to be lacking, or at least to have lost..............and, furthermore, does not want to give up this roll.

As far as thinking Garrett is going to walk in next year and become the saviour, I would hesistate to bet the farm. As we have seen throughout the NFL, a good coordinator does not necessarily translate into a good head coach, especially if he comes into the situation knowing that he will be forced to do so while wearing a patch over one eye and having one hand tied behind his back.

WWJD
10-19-2008, 10:39 PM
I feel somewhat sorry for Wade. I have to wonder how much control he has been given from the gitgo. I don't know that he has had much to say as far as personel picks. Certainly, it takes a good coach to direct players. It takes more than money alone. It takes more than having a hodge podge collection of talent on a team. Beyond that, someone or someones have to have the talent or at least the insight to recognize "CHEMISTRY." This is what the head "someone" in this case seems to be lacking, or at least to have lost..............and, furthermore, does not want to give up this roll.

As far as thinking Garrett is going to walk in next year and become the saviour, I would hesistate to bet the farm. As we have seen throughout the NFL, a good coordinator does not necessarily translate into a good head coach, especially if he comes into the situation knowing that he will be forced to do so while wearing a patch over one eye and having one hand tied behind his back.

You have some very well thought out points...I personally feel Wade is not capable of coaching this team to anything...THIS team I think has no leaders on the field...plays dumb...makes mistakes that cost them yardage and even points and good teams...championship teams just don't do that.

Perhaps Wade just doesn't care anymore. The players don't seem too really. I had season tickets when the Cowboys were 1-15 and those guys played hard. They just were totally outmanned on both sides of the ball. But they TRIED. I don't see any fight in this Cowboys team. None.

They're just clueless out there.

Wade is done. I am just about sure of that.

I would not be in favor of hiring Garrett at this point. Probably will happen though.

steelbtexan
10-19-2008, 10:40 PM
I feel somewhat sorry for Wade. I have to wonder how much control he has been given from the gitgo. I don't know that he has had much to say as far as personel picks. Certainly, it takes a good coach to direct players. It takes more than money alone. It takes more than having a hodge podge collection of talent on a team. Beyond that, someone or someones have to have the talent or at least the insight to recognize "CHEMISTRY." This is what the head "someone" in this case seems to be lacking, or at least to have lost..............and, furthermore, does not want to give up this roll.

As far as thinking Garrett is going to walk in next year and become the saviour, I would hesistate to bet the farm. As we have seen throughout the NFL, a good coordinator does not necessarily translate into a good head coach, especially if he comes into the situation knowing that he will be forced to do so while wearing a patch over one eye and having one hand tied behind his back.


This is so true.
Jerry understands talent but he has no clue when it comes to chemistry.

WWJD
10-19-2008, 10:42 PM
I should add that Demarcus Ware plays hard every game and is as solid as they come. He actually does come to play and that's a rarity for this Cowboys team.

Congratulations on the record he set today. He deserves it. That was ONE draft pick they got right.

WWJD
10-19-2008, 10:48 PM
This is so true.
Jerry understands talent but he has no clue when it comes to chemistry.

Uh yea sorta...he hits right sometimes but that's probably the law of averages.

And he has played football since college and should know a little bit about it.

Jerry's problem is he really REALLY wants to be the coach of the Cowboys. He always has. He can't be so he's gonna breath down the neck of every coach they ever get. Sometimes they bite back like Jimmy and even millions won't make him stay. Sometimes you get a Switzer type that really would rather eat hot dogs on the sidelines than actually make a coaching decision.

Jerry runs everybody off eventually.

The ONE thing he does exceedingly well is get players signed and he'll do anything to get somebody to the team if they catch his fancy. He's a marvelous businessman and is very innovative. He's the best marketing guy in the NFL. Hands down.

HoustonFrog
10-20-2008, 09:20 AM
I feel somewhat sorry for Wade. I have to wonder how much control he has been given from the gitgo. I don't know that he has had much to say as far as personel picks. Certainly, it takes a good coach to direct players. It takes more than money alone. It takes more than having a hodge podge collection of talent on a team. Beyond that, someone or someones have to have the talent or at least the insight to recognize "CHEMISTRY." This is what the head "someone" in this case seems to be lacking, or at least to have lost..............and, furthermore, does not want to give up this roll.

As far as thinking Garrett is going to walk in next year and become the saviour, I would hesistate to bet the farm. As we have seen throughout the NFL, a good coordinator does not necessarily translate into a good head coach, especially if he comes into the situation knowing that he will be forced to do so while wearing a patch over one eye and having one hand tied behind his back.

I don't think Garrett is ready and if you look at the offense the last few weeks he needs to do more with that. At this point though he would need to be interim until they discover the next move.

Wade is a good man and a good guy but no matter how much control he has, he isn't a guy players follow into battle. He jumps around all goofy after scores and looks lost at times with his headphones all crooked. I just think he is overmatched for this talent and environment.

HOU-TEX
10-20-2008, 11:25 AM
You'd better hope Brad straps his Depends up nice and tight because he's going to take some licks. :tiphat:

LOL! Y'all are getting a little over protective of the old man aren't ya? I guess it was a sore subject to crack jokes on??

I don't have a problem with Bledso.....er...Johnson. I just think he's going to be a sitting duck behind a line that supposedly one of the best.

*Ahem* I hate to say it but........told ya. :shades:

Romo uses his legs to make alot of plays on the run. Brad no longer has much for legs, if he ever did.

Somebody mentioned something about the cowboys that kinda made sense to me. He said there are too many players that are playing for themselves rather than the team. They went on about there being a lack of team chemistry while showing a replay of them on defense. A couple of runnings plays that showed Ware shooting for nothing except the QB which led to a nice run for the Rams. The guy said that Ware was possibly playing for personal numbers.

WWJD
10-20-2008, 12:15 PM
Ware is the ONLY guy that they have on defense right now that other teams probably think can disrupt their offensive gameplan.

He's not the problem.

Second Honeymoon
10-20-2008, 12:23 PM
I think you have a lack of real leadership on this team. It hasn't had leadership since Darren Woodson retired. I think the whole Pac Man/TO/Hard Knocks HBO training camp may have not allowed this team to truly come together as a unit.

They need a real leader as a HC and there just arent that many great head coaches available that would coach under a Jerry Jones as owner. Garrett is not the right choice.

They need to hire a coach that can bring in his own coaching staff without Jerry's influence or cronies or yesmen, and let him coach the team. Jerry can still run the draft and Free Agency, but the coach would have a say in it, unlike now.

The best thing or Jerry to do would be to fly down to Port Arthur and make things right with his former coach, Jimmy Johnson. Let him be the coach to christen the new megastadium and lead the team again into a new era. It would be an incredible PR move for Jerry and the NFL would benefit from such a unexpected storyline.

I guarantee you one thing, Jimmy would instantly release TO. No doubt. Now that the Pokes have Roy E. Williams, they should probably just go ahead and do it. He has been given chance after chance to show he isn't all about himself, and it always comes back to himself and his touches. He served his purpose but he needs to go. Go get someone else to help the defense with the money you save on his contract.

HoustonFrog
10-20-2008, 12:33 PM
I think you have a lack of real leadership on this team. It hasn't had leadership since Darren Woodson retired. I think the whole Pac Man/TO/Hard Knocks HBO training camp may have not allowed this team to truly come together as a unit.

They need a real leader as a HC and there just arent that many great head coaches available that would coach under a Jerry Jones as owner. Garrett is not the right choice.

They need to hire a coach that can bring in his own coaching staff without Jerry's influence or cronies or yesmen, and let him coach the team. Jerry can still run the draft and Free Agency, but the coach would have a say in it, unlike now.

The best thing or Jerry to do would be to fly down to Port Arthur and make things right with his former coach, Jimmy Johnson. Let him be the coach to christen the new megastadium and lead the team again into a new era. It would be an incredible PR move for Jerry and the NFL would benefit from such a unexpected storyline.

I guarantee you one thing, Jimmy would instantly release TO. No doubt. Now that the Pokes have Roy E. Williams, they should probably just go ahead and do it. He has been given chance after chance to show he isn't all about himself, and it always comes back to himself and his touches. He served his purpose but he needs to go. Go get someone else to help the defense with the money you save on his contract.

On Fox yesterday Bradshaw straight out pointed to Jimmy and said he should be the man and Jimmy said no way. I think Jimmy is happy commenting on games and sipping Heinekins afterward. Jerry woul dhave to pay him an incredible amount and I bet it would be over only 3 years or so.

You are right on leadership. As much as I can't stand how Romo sulks this year, he isn't a guy that likes the limelight. He always was more the quiet one. I've never seen Barber step up and say anything or Witten and they probably would have the most respect. The defense is a joke and very overrated talent wise. That or they have the talent and no heart. No heart is a common theme for these guys. I'll never get, 15 years later, how Jerry can't figure that Jimmy made the team, not him. Step back and hire someone with some power. He started to step back with Parcells and then went right back to his old ways.

WWJD
10-20-2008, 12:40 PM
The bottom line is Jerry simply won't quit meddling...it's not in his DNA.

Jimmy's legacy is secure in Dallas so he has no reason to come back. He has plenty of money and seems very happy in his job with Fox. I think he'd have to be brain dead to want to work for Jerry again.

WWJD
10-20-2008, 12:43 PM
On Fox yesterday Bradshaw straight out pointed to Jimmy and said he should be the man and Jimmy said no way. I think Jimmy is happy commenting on games and sipping Heinekins afterward. Jerry woul dhave to pay him an incredible amount and I bet it would be over only 3 years or so.

You are right on leadership. As much as I can't stand how Romo sulks this year, he isn't a guy that likes the limelight. He always was more the quiet one. I've never seen Barber step up and say anything or Witten and they probably would have the most respect. The defense is a joke and very overrated talent wise. That or they have the talent and no heart. No heart is a common theme for these guys. I'll never get, 15 years later, how Jerry can't figure that Jimmy made the team, not him. Step back and hire someone with some power. He started to step back with Parcells and then went right back to his old ways.

I saw Troy once after a really bad series on offense go down the line of O lineman sitting on the bench and get right in their face cussing and chewing their butts out. You'll never see Romo do that.

And that's the problem. They are all in their little bubbles and except for T.O. nobody is saying to the other wake up, get your head in the game, we're getting killed out there.

And that is why they are where they are. Paper tigers.

bah007
10-20-2008, 01:14 PM
If those clowns need a leader all they need to do is look at Witten.

I respect him more than any other player in the league. He gets his job done on every single play. Period.

Just because he isn't vocal doesn't mean they can't follow his example.

HoustonFrog
10-20-2008, 01:26 PM
If those clowns need a leader all they need to do is look at Witten.

I respect him more than any other player in the league. He gets his job done on every single play. Period.

Just because he isn't vocal doesn't mean they can't follow his example.

I feel the same way. I'd throw Barber in there too. But most don't care. Just to make myself feel better I found this to allow me to make fun of my own team

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/the_10_spot

The Cowboys capped a tumultuous week by getting waxed 34-14 yesterday by the Rams in St. Louis. You can bet there was plenty of grumbling afterward in the Dallas locker room.

Fortunately, the 10 Spot has spies everywhere. Here’s some of what they overheard:

10. "We just don’t have enough Roy Williamses"

9. "Don’t worry, the Rams have dominated the NFC East"

8. "I'm about to 'touch' T.O. right in the chops"

7. "My bad, I honestly thought Wade Phillips was canned months ago"

6. "Our D got carved up more often than our owner’s face"

5. "Let’s deflect attention from our loss with a casual H-i-t-l-e-r reference"

4. "Pacman got out just in time "

3. "But I had my popcorn all ready!"

2. "God just demanded we close the hole in the roof"

1. "So wait, can we still go to Cabo?"

WWJD
10-20-2008, 01:54 PM
That's some funny stuff! HA!

StarStruck
10-20-2008, 05:55 PM
Once I get over being upset, I'm sure that I will get a good laugh. We've been though enough with those lean years between Switzer and Parcells for this group to play as badly as that high school team that lost 91-0. The Boys will always be my team, but at this moment I am not a happy camper.

CloakNNNdagger
10-20-2008, 08:23 PM
The ESPN story (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3652482)is worth reading from different perspectives.

And did I mention that the Cowboys lost to the Rams?

Jones is great for the NFL, but sometimes you wonder if he's bad for the Cowboys. Granted, no other owner in the league is more involved, engaged and invested in his team than Jones. Redskins owner Daniel Snyder tries, but he's a poseur compared to Jones.

But that utter devotion to his franchise sometimes creates some blind spots. Jones admitted as much before the Rams game.

"I think I am unreasonable sometimes relative to my passion and my interest about the team,'' he said. "I admit I can be unreasonable and, if you will, illogical sometimes."

These Cowboys were painstakingly assembled by Jones. And now bottom-feeder teams such as the Rams are lobbing water balloons at his grand plan. You could see the hurt and disbelief on his face. When someone chuckled during one of his postgame answers, Jones said, "I don't see any humor in this."

The problem is that when ONE person basically insists on holding all facets of control, he cannot afford to "lose control," even briefly.

WWJD
10-20-2008, 08:44 PM
Jerry must shoulder a huge amount of blame for the state of the Cowboys presently.