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keyser
10-12-2008, 06:52 PM
Can someone who goes to the games explain what the deal is with all the empty seats? At the beginning of the game, the TV shots made it look like only about 25% of the seats were filled. Then, at the end of the game, there were huge blocks of seats empty.

As I understand it, all of the games are sellouts, so it's not like there are not ticket holders. Furthermore, if I were paying that much for a ticket, I can't imagine not actually using it for it's full time!

Plus, while I can sort of understand someone leaving a game early if it were a blowout (although last week's game should keep people in their seats, I would think), I can't imagine why anyone would leave early in a game as close as this one.

Seriously, I don't understand this at all. Is there some simple explanation I'm missing?

TexanSam
10-12-2008, 06:58 PM
Um...we've never had a winning season. We started the year off 0-4 and just had a devastating loss to the Colts.

Malloy
10-12-2008, 06:59 PM
Suits?

ATXtexanfan
10-12-2008, 07:02 PM
I was there before kickoff but left with everyone else after schaub apparently threw another pick, it looked like a pick to me, was disappointed to hear the texans won when I walked out on them, oh well

TexansLucky13
10-12-2008, 07:03 PM
A lot of people left right before that 2 minute drive there at the end. Also, many people come in late.

I heard on 610 that the official attendance was 70,000ish... the seat capacity is 71,500. That's almost a full house.

hradhak
10-12-2008, 07:08 PM
I was there the entire game.
Houstonians have never been punctual.
There were quite a few people who left in the 4th quarter. Both after Miami scored and after Schaub threw a pick that was later called an incomplete pass.

I can't argue with people who leave early. You pay the money, it's your choice and this team hasn't shown a whole lot to root for yet. Hopefully that will change.

b0ng
10-12-2008, 07:18 PM
I don't think anybody will ever accuse this fanbase of being "rabid" and "loyal".

dtran04
10-12-2008, 07:41 PM
Rockets fans never learned their lesson after 13 in 33 sec. either. It's a Houston thing really. Not ever gonna change.

texanhead08
10-12-2008, 08:15 PM
Houston fans are fairweather always have been always will be. When the Texans become consistant winners it will be the in thing to be at the games until then only the diehards show up every week.

Norg
10-12-2008, 08:23 PM
i show up every week

ANd TBO i was dissopented in the Crowd noise some of are fans are familys and dont make much noise or are to embressed for some reason

tho the roof was open and its much louder when its closed but sometimes i just wish we would have a phlly or Pittsburg like atompheres

Heath Shuler
10-12-2008, 08:26 PM
I don't think anybody will ever accuse this fanbase of being "rabid" and "loyal".

Sure, they have only sold out every single game and have never had a winning record. Have you been to a game? I have been to every game but 2. It is surprising there are as many cheering fans each week as there are. A person can only get kicked in the crotch so many times and still come back the next week and ask for more.

DiehardChris
10-12-2008, 08:27 PM
Yeah, lots of empty seats as per usual.

It's going to sting a lot more next year - because there's no more TV blackout protection after this season. We're going to have to win early and often to see the games on TV in Houston.

GuerillaBlack
10-12-2008, 08:37 PM
Rockets fans never learned their lesson after 13 in 33 sec. either. It's a Houston thing really. Not ever gonna change.

its the damn transplants, too. i'm sure houston had much more loyal and rabid fanbases back before everyone decided to move here.

Yeah, lots of empty seats as per usual.

It's going to sting a lot more next year - because there's no more TV blackout protection after this season. We're going to have to win early and often to see the games on TV in Houston.

We only need to sell the seats though right?

Revolution
10-12-2008, 09:10 PM
Yeah, lots of empty seats as per usual.

It's going to sting a lot more next year - because there's no more TV blackout protection after this season. We're going to have to win early and often to see the games on TV in Houston.

It doesn't matter how many seats are empty, it matters how many tickets are sold. We have had nothing but sellouts since we began.

I do have to admit that I don't know about today though...

texanmojo
10-12-2008, 09:12 PM
I heard on 610 that the official attendance was 70,000ish... the seat capacity is 71,500. That's almost a full house.

Paid attendance was 70K...the actual attendance was no where near this.

texanmojo
10-12-2008, 09:14 PM
I was there the entire game.
Houstonians have never been punctual.
There were quite a few people who left in the 4th quarter. Both after Miami scored and after Schaub threw a pick that was later called an incomplete pass.

I can't argue with people who leave early. You pay the money, it's your choice and this team hasn't shown a whole lot to root for yet. Hopefully that will change.

If they want to leave...let them leave. As the Preacher Man once wisely said, "I paid for 60 minutes of footballl, I'm goona watch 60 minutes of football".

DexmanC
10-12-2008, 09:15 PM
I'll put it this way..
The seats may be empty, but that damn parking lot is FULL
during the games. I can see why Bud banned tailgating.

LonerATO
10-12-2008, 09:17 PM
Paid attendance was 70K...the actual attendance was no where near this.

It still bothers me that the ownership hypes the paid attendance all the time and the place has a ton of empty seats when the game starts. I wonder if the blackout protection could mean that Houston might not even show its own team play even though I dont see that happening.

LonerATO
10-12-2008, 09:18 PM
I'll put it this way..
The seats may be empty, but that damn parking lot is FULL
during the games. I can see why Bud banned tailgating.

wait a minute when did tailgating stop?

Revolution
10-12-2008, 09:47 PM
wait a minute when did tailgating stop?

He said BUD...as in when the Oilers were here...

DexmanC
10-12-2008, 09:59 PM
wait a minute when did tailgating stop?

lol. Surely NOT at kickoff! :)

SheTexan
10-12-2008, 11:35 PM
You guys missed one of the main reasons you saw empty seats. It's hot as hell in the NEZ. Fans roam the concourse, visit the cantina's and pubs, watch the game from the mounted TVs all over the place. Some people just can't take the intense heat, I am one of them. Be it due to age, illness, whatever, they will not stay in their seats, BUT, they are still at the game. Don't blame them for what they choose to do. Most of them are diehard TEXAN fans or they wouldn't be there in the first place. I went to the Bullpen Pub toward the end of the second quarter and the place was hopping. The balcony area was packed with smokers and people who just wanted to feel the breeze. The concourse behind the Bullpen was very busy, and there were people three deep standing at the rails watching the game. Just hope for some cooler weather come November. Our two upcoming 3 pm games should make a difference in what you see also. The fans are there, you just don't see them all on TV.

spurstexanstros
10-13-2008, 10:03 AM
A lot of people left right before that 2 minute drive there at the end. Also, many people come in late.

I heard on 610 that the official attendance was 70,000ish... the seat capacity is 71,500. That's almost a full house.
I was so pissed off at that....get in your freaking seats......
I was there the entire game.
Houstonians have never been punctual.
There were quite a few people who left in the 4th quarter. Both after Miami scored and after Schaub threw a pick that was later called an incomplete pass.

I can't argue with people who leave early. You pay the money, it's your choice and this team hasn't shown a whole lot to root for yet. Hopefully that will change.
What is the deal with that get there late leave early ...what is this LA? if you dont want your tickets please feel free to donate them to fans who would use them for all 60 minutes
Rockets fans never learned their lesson after 13 in 33 sec. either. It's a Houston thing really. Not ever gonna change.

I think I have blocked that out of my memory for some reason.

TexansFight
10-13-2008, 10:34 AM
I love how some guy watching on friggin TV is calling out the fans like myself who are actually INSIDE the stadium. Every game in Texans history has soldout. Let's just get that straight. Yes, Houston is a late arriving crowd. The stadium IMO was 90% full. The field level where I sit was packed and so was the upper decks. The club level like usual had open seats and that is true everywhere just look at a Redskins home game any time.

The fans who come to the stadium are a hearty loyal bunch and it amazes me how many still come and still make a ton of noise after getting stomped in the nuts so many time.

Keep your comments to yourself next time or actually show up to a game at Reliant.

Yankee_In_TX
10-13-2008, 10:38 AM
A lot of people left right before that 2 minute drive there at the end. Also, many people come in late.

I heard on 610 that the official attendance was 70,000ish... the seat capacity is 71,500. That's almost a full house.

That's not turnstyle numbers. They don't release turnstyle numbers.

As for the seats, every time something bad happened, people left. A few minutes left in the game, most of the stadium emptied.

I stayed, and with 3 seconds left I hugged a Dane.

*yes, heat plays a factor, we took an extended half time to stay in the shade - but still, the dark seats emptied out just as much as sun seats*

texanhead08
10-13-2008, 10:44 AM
I have been to everygame in Texans history except the Broncos Pre season game this year. Its amazing at how fickle the fan base is. They cried when Bud moved the Oilers, but you have to keep the building filled so there is no chance of it ever happening again.

Texan_Bill
10-13-2008, 10:45 AM
You guys missed one of the main reasons you saw empty seats. It's hot as hell in the NEZ. Fans roam the concourse, visit the cantina's and pubs, watch the game from the mounted TVs all over the place.


Exactly... I can't remember seeing sooooo many people roaming the concourses and watching the TV's up there as I ran up for a quick pit-stop. I don't mind the heat, but I certainly can undersand how it affects some - especially when there is slim to no breeze going (and Slim packed his bags and left).

mexican_texan
10-13-2008, 10:53 AM
You guys missed one of the main reasons you saw empty seats. It's hot as hell in the NEZ. Fans roam the concourse, visit the cantina's and pubs, watch the game from the mounted TVs all over the place. Some people just can't take the intense heat, I am one of them. Be it due to age, illness, whatever, they will not stay in their seats, BUT, they are still at the game. Don't blame them for what they choose to do. Most of them are diehard TEXAN fans or they wouldn't be there in the first place. I went to the Bullpen Pub toward the end of the second quarter and the place was hopping. The balcony area was packed with smokers and people who just wanted to feel the breeze. The concourse behind the Bullpen was very busy, and there were people three deep standing at the rails watching the game. Just hope for some cooler weather come November. Our two upcoming 3 pm games should make a difference in what you see also. The fans are there, you just don't see them all on TV.
I found it pretty funny that the Bull Pen mostly emptied during the final drive. Nice meeting you, by the way

WWJD
10-13-2008, 10:56 AM
You guys missed one of the main reasons you saw empty seats. It's hot as hell in the NEZ. Fans roam the concourse, visit the cantina's and pubs, watch the game from the mounted TVs all over the place. Some people just can't take the intense heat, I am one of them. Be it due to age, illness, whatever, they will not stay in their seats, BUT, they are still at the game. Don't blame them for what they choose to do. Most of them are diehard TEXAN fans or they wouldn't be there in the first place. I went to the Bullpen Pub toward the end of the second quarter and the place was hopping. The balcony area was packed with smokers and people who just wanted to feel the breeze. The concourse behind the Bullpen was very busy, and there were people three deep standing at the rails watching the game. Just hope for some cooler weather come November. Our two upcoming 3 pm games should make a difference in what you see also. The fans are there, you just don't see them all on TV.

Perhaps there is some way they can hurry up the repairs to that roof.

It's got to be very hard to enjoy yourself when you're being marinated.

Sal Rosenberg
10-13-2008, 10:58 AM
I got wasted and pass out in the parking lot.I was dreaming of victory.J/K

Yankee_In_TX
10-13-2008, 11:09 AM
I found it pretty funny that the Bull Pen mostly emptied during the final drive. Nice meeting you, by the way

Nice meeting you, you used my cell phone :-)

jerek
10-13-2008, 11:14 AM
It's going to sting a lot more next year - because there's no more TV blackout protection after this season. We're going to have to win early and often to see the games on TV in Houston.

Can someone explain this to me, because I've heard this before. So TV networks (CBS) may not show our games next year? WTF?

spurstexanstros
10-13-2008, 11:18 AM
I love how some guy watching on friggin TV is calling out the fans like myself who are actually INSIDE the stadium. Every game in Texans history has soldout. Let's just get that straight. Yes, Houston is a late arriving crowd. The stadium IMO was 90% full. The field level where I sit was packed and so was the upper decks. The club level like usual had open seats and that is true everywhere just look at a Redskins home game any time.

The fans who come to the stadium are a hearty loyal bunch and it amazes me how many still come and still make a ton of noise after getting stomped in the nuts so many time.

Keep your comments to yourself next time or actually show up to a game at Reliant.

well... i can see that hit close to the mark.....must be true...


I would freaking kill to be at the game.... I live 2 hours away and I would walk to Reliant to watch the game... and I would be there on time. Some of us can not afford the tickets...parking and gas and maybe hotel room just to watch a game. I am a grad student who works and goes to school while taking care of my wife and son. So I can only afford to make the trip once or twice a year. I am going to be at the Monday night game screaming my freaking head off.... at kickoff.

We need yall there to give our team the home field advantage at kickoff and the first series on offense and d-fense... you know to intimidate the other team and make them feel like they are on the road. We need yall there to force false starts and disprupt the communications of the offense.
you have a responsibility as a ticketholder to be there and use the ticket at the appropriate time it says on the front of the ticket. If it says noon...be there at noon not 12:30 not 12:01 but noon. If you cant be there on time or have bigger priorities ( tell olsteen to wrap it up at 11:30, me I go to church on sat or early service) give or sell your ticket (at face value) to someone who will actually use it and follow the instructions on the front of the ticket.

We need every advantage we can get and as the slogan went...."be the homefield advantage"

Yankee_In_TX
10-13-2008, 11:22 AM
Can someone explain this to me, because I've heard this before. So TV networks (CBS) may not show our games next year? WTF?

I thought blackout protection was only the first 5 years?

I would NEVER worry about it. Empty seats, ESPECIALLY in Houston =/= tickets not sold.

Think of how many people you know with tickets that go unsued (your boss, corworker, buddy...?)

TexansLucky13
10-13-2008, 11:30 AM
Think of how many people you know with tickets that go unsued (your boss, corworker, buddy...?)

Yes, and then get their phone number, so that I may call them and get their tickets.

:texflag:

Texecutioner
10-13-2008, 11:34 AM
Houston fans are fairweather always have been always will be. When the Texans become consistant winners it will be the in thing to be at the games until then only the diehards show up every week.

This is about as misinformed and ridiculous as anything I've ever heard. The Texans have not even had one winning season and yet every single game is packed just about and has since the franchise was started. This team has had a tremendous amount of failures, but yet there is still a ton of fan support in a city that also has a whole lot of Cowgirl fans and some looney Titan fans that are still trying to associate them with the Oilers.

Mcnair is amongst the top of the league in revenue, while he hasn't even had one winning season, so don't act like Houston fans are a bunch of fair weather fans. If that were a fact we wouldn't have a team in each big sport like we do.

TexansFight
10-13-2008, 11:39 AM
well... i can see that hit close to the mark.....must be true...


I would freaking kill to be at the game.... I live 2 hours away and I would walk to Reliant to watch the game... and I would be there on time. Some of us can not afford the tickets...parking and gas and maybe hotel room just to watch a game. I am a grad student who works and goes to school while taking care of my wife and son. So I can only afford to make the trip once or twice a year. I am going to be at the Monday night game screaming my freaking head off.... at kickoff.

We need yall there to give our team the home field advantage at kickoff and the first series on offense and d-fense... you know to intimidate the other team and make them feel like they are on the road. We need yall there to force false starts and disprupt the communications of the offense.
you have a responsibility as a ticketholder to be there and use the ticket at the appropriate time it says on the front of the ticket. If it says noon...be there at noon not 12:30 not 12:01 but noon. If you cant be there on time or have bigger priorities ( tell olsteen to wrap it up at 11:30, me I go to church on sat or early service) give or sell your ticket (at face value) to someone who will actually use it and follow the instructions on the front of the ticket.

We need every advantage we can get and as the slogan went...."be the homefield advantage"


You are preaching to the choir. I am always in my seat before kickoff and am always in to the game and loud. All I am saying it is that the stadium is more full than it looks at the beginning when they show it on TV. It fills up and it has gotten loud.

mexican_texan
10-13-2008, 11:44 AM
Nice meeting you, you used my cell phone :-)
I figured that was you. I should probably get there earlier next time I go. Thanks for that call, by the way

bigbrewster2000
10-13-2008, 11:44 AM
Yeah, lots of empty seats as per usual.

It's going to sting a lot more next year - because there's no more TV blackout protection after this season. We're going to have to win early and often to see the games on TV in Houston.

We havent been under blackout protection for 2 years now. It was only through season 5.

cowbellm00
10-13-2008, 11:49 AM
someone said down the thread here that it's fair waether fans. they are completly correct. only die hards go ( or even bother to watch on tv ) when the teams on a roll. I live in Tampa Bay and I'm a Rays ( and Astros ) fan and TB had the worst record in baseball last year, and no fans in the stands. Look at them this year, and the attendence. wins = fan support. it's that simple.

oh yeah, GO TEXANS!!! :fans:

Texan_Bill
10-13-2008, 11:53 AM
someone said down the thread here that it's fair waether fans. they are completly correct. only die hards go ( or even bother to watch on tv ) when the teams on a roll. I live in Tampa Bay and I'm a Rays ( and Astros ) fan and TB had the worst record in baseball last year, and no fans in the stands. Look at them this year, and the attendence. wins = fan support. it's that simple.

oh yeah, GO TEXANS!!! :fans:

Ummm, bad example.. The Rays had terrible attendance all year long until the playoffs started. They finished 26 out of 30 teams in attendance - not good for a team that played consistently good baseball all season long...

Vinnie
10-13-2008, 12:47 PM
I've had season tickets for the last two seasons, and here's my observation. I wouldn't put the number of empty seats at kick off on the tailgaters at all. Typically all us tailgaters are packing it up and walking in with plenty of time to buy a beer and get in our seat before kick off. There are however TONS of folks that are barely making into the parking lot fifteen minutes before kick off and they don't have a prayer of getting to their seat before the start of the game. Having been forced into this situation once a few years ago myself I can tell you the traffic is horrendus and you're going to end up parking a freaking quarter mile from the entrance. People just need to start giving themselves more time to get to the stadium due to the bottleneck at the parking lot entrances. It's not like commuting to your job. As far as people leaving early is concerned, what I've noticed is these are people who just sit there and watch like they are at home watching it on TV who don't cheer for their defence or celebrate TD's, so there you go.

mexican_texan
10-13-2008, 02:35 PM
Yes, and then get their phone number, so that I may call them and get their tickets.

:texflag:
I was walking to the gates and four different guys came up to me offering me tickets. I took one just so I wouldn't seem so rude. They weren't bad tickets either, they were pretty good

imatexan
10-13-2008, 03:30 PM
I agree that it was about 90% full and that this was probally the most people I have seen in the concourse area(in the club). The funny thing was that my row was completely full which has not happend since I would say last years liberty white kickoff. Once again despite being 0-4 Texans fans did a great job of showing up. Now what disgusted me is how many fany left early! Shame on you if you did, no excuses(other than emergencies)! I of course stayed to the last second and it paid off. I never got why people left early, eepecially since we were in the game the whole time!

Yankee_In_TX
10-13-2008, 04:09 PM
I never got why people left early, eepecially since we were in the game the whole time!


I was there until the end. Here's a picture, I am right behind Toro.

http://www.texansbullpen.com/08photogallery/Season/2008-10-12-Dolphins-Texans/Fans/DSC_1194.JPG

Texans_Chick
10-13-2008, 05:24 PM
I always stay until the end.

This is the deal with empty seats:

1. Some people are in the concourse because it is really hot in the sun with no breeze in the stadium.

2. Club level people watch from the bar.

3. It takes a while to get to the upper levels of the stadium. Escalators are basically packed and nearly unsuable and the ramps are just sloooooow even when you watlk fast. People don't give themselves enough time before the game.

4. Half time is really short. Even when I rush, it is hard to race to the restroom and get a beverage and get back to your seat by kickoff.

So, the beginning of the game is not where you would like it to be, nor is right after the half. And well, I can completely understand fans being disgusted with how quickly and easily Miami scored in their last drive. Fans have become conditioned for bad endings.

spurstexanstros
10-13-2008, 05:24 PM
toro what are you thinking....arm around wrong person...cmon boy..

Yankee_In_TX
10-13-2008, 05:29 PM
toro what are you thinking....arm around wrong person...cmon boy..

(***pssst, despite my avatar I am not that person - I'm actually right behind Toro and well, the boy's got a huge head!!!)

spurstexanstros
10-13-2008, 05:34 PM
I always stay until the end.

This is the deal with empty seats:

1. Some people are in the concourse because it is really hot in the sun with no breeze in the stadium.

2. Club level people watch from the bar.

3. It takes a while to get to the upper levels of the stadium. Escalators are basically packed and nearly unsuable and the ramps are just sloooooow even when you watlk fast. People don't give themselves enough time before the game.

4. Half time is really short. Even when I rush, it is hard to race to the restroom and get a beverage and get back to your seat by kickoff.

So, the beginning of the game is not where you would like it to be, nor is right after the half. And well, I can completely understand fans being disgusted with how quickly and easily Miami scored in their last drive. Fans have become conditioned for bad endings.

This is Texas...shoot our version of hell satan has to crank up the ac and call it Dallas... yall should be used to the heat...especially the humidity....


Please TC I know you are there early but dont make excuses for those who are just plain tardy and letting team down. I can not wait till game i scraped my pennies together for to make some noise. I am gonna bring the house of pain back myself if I have to...... also ill say it again ( as I do to the corporate hinks at the ATT center) get there on time or give tickets to those who will..... when I drive from SA I get there on time every time.

No excuses people...just be there... Texans depend on you.

Texans_Chick
10-13-2008, 05:39 PM
This is Texas...shoot our version of hell satan has to crank up the ac and call it Dallas... yall should be used to the heat...especially the humidity....


Please TC I know you are there early but dont make excuses for those who are just plain tardy and letting team down. I can not wait till game i scraped my pennies together for to make some noise. I am gonna bring the house of pain back myself if I have to...... also ill say it again ( as I do to the corporate hinks at the ATT center) get there on time or give tickets to those who will..... when I drive from SA I get there on time every time.

No excuses people...just be there... Texans depend on you.

Hey, I'm a healthy person but the heat inside of Reliant in the sun gives me a few problems. There is no breeze inside the stadium at all. When we left the game, there was a very nice breeze outside, more refreshing after a win.

I think there are a lot of fans that are new to the stadium and really don't have a sense of how long it takes to get into the stadium and then get to their seats.

It's not making excuses. It just is reflecting reality. I'd like people to get into the stadium earlier and stay until the very end, but for a lot of people, that isn't going to happen.

The good news is those of us diehards who stay until the end are the ones that make all the noise anyway. The potted plant fans don't do squat.

Texan_Bill
10-13-2008, 05:42 PM
The heat + humidity + no breeze = Texan_Bill drinking more water than beer. (what's that tell ya?)

GlassHalfFull
10-13-2008, 05:48 PM
The heat + humidity + no breeze = Texan_Bill drinking more water than beer. (what's that tell ya?)

That somebody spent a hell of a lot of money on water. Wow.

We are in the shade, across from the bullpen and I felt for you guys during the game. Reliant is NOT designed for airflow and you could just see the sun beating down on the seats. I think 2 people stayed in their seats during halftime, and I can't imagine why they did.

As far as people being in their seats goes, people complaining here are basically preaching to the choir. Anyone who cares enough about the team to post here, is more than likely in their seats for the entire game, yelling and being loud.

I will admit that each time one of these threads gets started, I take it a little personally. I should just get over that, but maybe people should think twice about posting threads criticizing fans at the game. Yes, there are lots of potted plant fans (lol, TC), but more than likely they are not reading this.

keyser
10-13-2008, 10:34 PM
I will admit that each time one of these threads gets started, I take it a little personally. I should just get over that, but maybe people should think twice about posting threads criticizing fans at the game. Yes, there are lots of potted plant fans (lol, TC), but more than likely they are not reading this.

I started the thread, and I realize several people are taking it personally, but really, it's not meant as criticism. It's really an "I don't understand this" thing. To me (and I don't consider myself poor), those tickets are expensive, and it really seems strange to me that someone wouldn't be making an effort to be there at the start - feels like a waste of money! Then, at the end of the game, it just seemed bizarre to me to leave when it was that close. Maybe the feel at the game was different than watching it on TV, but to me, there was even more tension/excitement (and yes, disappointment) going into the last drive, not less. I mean, if there's any time to stay and watch a football game, wouldn't that be it? I'm not saying this in the "you're not a real fan" sense, but in an "isn't this one of the reasons people buy tickets to the game in the first place" sense. I figured there had to be some reason (and the heat makes a lot of sense) for why so many seats were empty.

The1ApplePie
10-13-2008, 10:39 PM
The company I work for is primarily a ticket broker agency

We and our compeditors bought a ton of them and now we can't give them away.

Mystery of the empty seats solved

imatexan
10-13-2008, 11:18 PM
I know lots of people you can give them away too :)

Speedy
10-13-2008, 11:29 PM
I started the thread, and I realize several people are taking it personally, but really, it's not meant as criticism. It's really an "I don't understand this" thing. To me (and I don't consider myself poor), those tickets are expensive, and it really seems strange to me that someone wouldn't be making an effort to be there at the start - feels like a waste of money! Then, at the end of the game, it just seemed bizarre to me to leave when it was that close. Maybe the feel at the game was different than watching it on TV, but to me, there was even more tension/excitement (and yes, disappointment) going into the last drive, not less. I mean, if there's any time to stay and watch a football game, wouldn't that be it? I'm not saying this in the "you're not a real fan" sense, but in an "isn't this one of the reasons people buy tickets to the game in the first place" sense. I figured there had to be some reason (and the heat makes a lot of sense) for why so many seats were empty.

If you can, go back and look at the kickoff of the Steelers game. There was a whole lot of empty seats for that game at the start. And you wouldn't think that'd be the case in Pittsburgh where the Steelers are all they give a damn about there. It isn't just here.

The problem is, and maybe this has been mentioned as I haven't read the whole thread, is people, regular people, fans, aren't buying the tickets, mainly because they are so expensive. Corporations are. Then they give those tickets away to their managers, department leaders, whoever, who may or may not end up going for whatever reason. Nobody cares if the ticket gets used 'cause it's nothing more than a write off to them.

Then you've got these areas in the stadium, like where I'm at, the Crown Royal Saloon or whatever it's called. You go into this area to buy a drink and you can't take your drink out of that area. I think they have tv's to watch the game (never actually been in there) so people leave their seats, go get a drink, and have to watch the game there while they finish their drink. It's almost like a club level bar for the upper deck. Everybody's at the bar instead of in their seats, just like the clubbers.

I don't get why you'd go through all the trouble of going to the stadium, dealing with the crowds and the outrageous prices, just to watch the game on a tv. But neither do I care. It's not my money. My money has me in my seat from beginning to end every single game no matter the score. I don't care about how many empty seats there are, whether there's a roof or not, whether the grass is green enough, what color shirts everyone's wearing or any of that stuff. All I care about is having a good time with friends and family and the football team winning games.

Texans_Chick
10-14-2008, 09:09 AM
The heat + humidity + no breeze = Texan_Bill drinking more water than beer. (what's that tell ya?)

Oh the humanity.

Malloy
10-14-2008, 09:21 AM
(***pssst, despite my avatar I am not that person - I'm actually right behind Toro and well, the boy's got a huge head!!!)


Crap, I got excited there for a second. :I

Texan_Bill
10-14-2008, 09:25 AM
Oh the humanity.

"It ain't right!"

CloakNNNdagger
10-14-2008, 09:57 AM
The heat + humidity + no breeze = Texan_Bill drinking more water than beer. (what's that tell ya?)

You're a closet 3&2 beer lover????:D

Vinny
10-14-2008, 10:15 AM
I'm not speaking about the slow arrivals or the people in the concourses during the meat of the game due to the inappropriate stadium design when the roof is open in a City this hot, because most of the fans were in the house so I'm not gonna judge them.... but it was downright sad how empty the stadium was on the final drive...kinda disheartening to see how small the hard core base really is. This stuff takes time and winning will cure much of that and the base will grow broader, unless we continue to lose of course.

mexican_texan
10-14-2008, 10:20 AM
I'm not speaking about the slow arrivals or the people in the concourses during the meat of the game due to the inappropriate stadium design when the roof is open in a City this hot, because most of the fans were in the house so I'm not gonna judge them.... but it was downright sad how empty the stadium was on the final drive...kinda disheartening to see how small the hard core base really is. This stuff takes time and winning will cure much of that and the base will grow broader, unless we continue to lose of course.
There are a ton of hardcore Texans fans that can't afford tickets. Even the cheap tickets are twice as expensive as say, a Rockets ticket.

Texan_Bill
10-14-2008, 10:21 AM
You're a closet 3&2 beer lover????:D

lol: Right... I guess I'm getting old and can't handle the 'real' stuff.

Vinny
10-14-2008, 10:24 AM
There are a ton of hardcore Texans fans that can't afford tickets. Even the cheap tickets are twice as expensive as say, a Rockets ticket.There are only 8 home games so football is pretty unique in the pro sport realm. Football will never be as cheap as baseball or basketball.

Bottom line is, every NFL fan base deals with this and their are plenty of people who can afford a seat in the Greater Houston area and beyond. It will be interesting to see what happens when our no-blackout grant is lifted. Now that most teams have these new super corporate driven stadiums this is a larger issue than it was in the Oiler days for sure though, you are right about that.

HOU-TEX
10-14-2008, 10:40 AM
There are only 8 home games so football is pretty unique in the pro sport realm. Football will never be as cheap as baseball or basketball.

Bottom line is, every NFL fan base deals with this and their are plenty of people who can afford a seat in the Greater Houston area and beyond. It will be interesting to see what happens when our no-blackout grant is lifted. Now that most teams have these new super corporate driven stadiums this is a larger issue than it was in the Oiler days for sure though, you are right about that.

I thought that was over the season before last? It was only through 5 seasons, right? :thinking:

Yankee_In_TX
10-14-2008, 11:04 AM
I thought that was over the season before last? It was only through 5 seasons, right? :thinking:

I think this has been posted in thsi thread like 10 times, lmao.

IIRC, it was 5 years.

We're in no danger, IMHO, of a black out. The problem isn't ticket SALES, it's getting those tickets through the turn style.

Shaft75
10-14-2008, 11:11 AM
I think this has been posted in thsi thread like 10 times, lmao.

IIRC, it was 5 years.

We're in no danger, IMHO, of a black out. The problem isn't ticket SALES, it's getting those tickets through the turn style.

They are blacking out this Sunday's game???

:)

Vinny
10-14-2008, 11:15 AM
I think this has been posted in thsi thread like 10 times, lmao.

IIRC, it was 5 years.

We're in no danger, IMHO, of a black out. The problem isn't ticket SALES, it's getting those tickets through the turn style.
I've been invited to the old fart brigade (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/group.php?groupid=4) for what seems like pretty obvious reasons now. I think I feel sometimers disease creeping in.

El Tejano
10-14-2008, 11:23 AM
I remember the last time I went to a game and someone actually asked me to sit down and stop being so loud.

WWJD
10-14-2008, 11:28 AM
I think She Texan probably knows best and she said it's too hot down there for some.

And maybe the noon start affects many.

It doesn't look good on TV.

thegr8fan
10-14-2008, 11:50 AM
And maybe the noon start affects many.

It doesn't look good on TV. I couldn't agree more. But this thread isn't about how lousy the team looks. It is about the empty seats.......wait, I think I see a connection. :thinking:

when the team looks like it is interested in winning a ballgame, then the stadium seats will start looking like more people are interested in see-ing that also.

cowbellm00
10-14-2008, 12:00 PM
Ummm, bad example.. The Rays had terrible attendance all year long until the playoffs started. They finished 26 out of 30 teams in attendance - not good for a team that played consistently good baseball all season long...


ok, i stand corrected about the example, but i still think when we put this ever elusive "winning streak" together everyone will start filling the seats on a more regular basis. I still say wins = fans in the stands.

ubecool454
10-14-2008, 01:05 PM
I was there before kickoff but left with everyone else after schaub apparently threw another pick, it looked like a pick to me, was disappointed to hear the texans won when I walked out on them, oh well

You walked out on the team. Why not just keep walking and never come back..lol.

FirstTexansFan
10-14-2008, 01:18 PM
You walked out on the team. Why not just keep walking and never come back..lol.

I don't question his fandom by his leaving early. This fan like me drives hundreds of miles to see the Texans play. Many fans in Houston are no shows with our present record. So not showing vs leaving early?

eriadoc
10-14-2008, 01:43 PM
You walked out on the team. Why not just keep walking and never come back..lol.

blah blah blah ..... same formula as always - deride someone's fandom. Anyone still watching this team after 7.25 seasons of utter futility is a fan. Period. At some point, the team has to meet us halfway.

When the opponents score a TD with under 2 minutes to go in the NFL, it's usually a win. When they do it against the Texans, it's almost always a win. I can't speak for everyone, but I have no desire to become Cub fan.

Texanfan4ever
10-14-2008, 01:52 PM
The sun is a killer. We can't complain this year because it is nobody's fault, and at least our team is here. BUT that being said, it is a 100 degree sweltering stagnated heat down on the 10th row, unbearable for most. You can't fault folks for getting up. Try it one time and you will understand.

This Sunday will be better. We are in 119 and they get shade starting right about 3:05. SO, it should be better by far, with no excuses.

Funniest part is the people who leave early have missed the best or worst part of each game here at home. It is not that hard to get out of the parking lot. Stay to the END and support your team.

Buffi2
10-14-2008, 01:58 PM
I think the Texans just might teach Houstonians not to leave a game until the fat lady sings. With this team - you never know.

Texan_Bill
10-14-2008, 02:17 PM
I think the Texans just might teach Houstonians not to leave a game until the fat lady sings. With this team - you never know.

You might of thought some people learned that lesson last season against Tennessee :foottap: (although the final outcome was still a loss, many people missed out on an exciting finish).

dtran04
10-14-2008, 02:25 PM
The OKC Thunder will have better fans than the Rockets this year, and that is sad. A team that will struggle to win any game at all will have a more rabid fanbase than a team that is at least a playoff/championship contender. All it took was a 22 win streak before fans got their butts in their seats. After that streak.....back to the old ways.

Much like the standards for the team have lowered, standards for fans should be lowered too. Getting all worked up for fans that don't cheer, arrive early, leave late, etc. isn't worth it. It will probably never change.

imatexan
10-14-2008, 02:34 PM
Honestly I think the Astros have the best fans in the state.

Joe Texan
10-14-2008, 02:59 PM
We need yall there to give our team the home field advantage at kickoff and the first series on offense and d-fense

I am always there, every proffessional football game in Reliant stadium.

When you Boo the team you might as well leave, Booing only belongs in this stadium when the Big Jerseys are up in the Bull Pen.

For those who sold thier tickets because we are losing do not let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. That to me is as fair weather as you can get.

We will win and we will lose but the battle red and steel blue will never fade.

mexican_texan
10-14-2008, 03:10 PM
I don't question his fandom by his leaving early. This fan like me drives hundreds of miles to see the Texans play. Many fans in Houston are no shows with our present record. So not showing vs leaving early?
There was less than a minute to go when most people walked out

SheTexan
10-14-2008, 03:46 PM
There was less than a minute to go when most people walked out


and they deserved to be disappointed!! JMO! I remember being so ticked off at the Titan's game last year I wanted to leave and never go back! As I was walking the concourse looking for something to HIT because I was so mad at my team, I heard a HUGE roar from the crowd. Made my way over to the rail and watched Sage take our guys down the field. I found a seat on the 40 yd line where I watched some of the most exciting LAST few minutes of any TEXAN home game ever witnessed, and I have seen them all. No, we didn't win, BUT, we damn sure came close, and I will NEVER forget those last couple minutes where our TEXANS played some of the best comeback football I had ever seen.

Double Barrel
10-14-2008, 03:50 PM
0:00 on the clock has always been our motto since 2002. I pay for 60 minutes of football, and by golly, that's what I'm going to get. (It might be bad football sometimes, but hey, we're still there!)

spurstexanstros
10-14-2008, 06:34 PM
Hey, I'm a healthy person but the heat inside of Reliant in the sun gives me a few problems. There is no breeze inside the stadium at all. When we left the game, there was a very nice breeze outside, more refreshing after a win.

I think there are a lot of fans that are new to the stadium and really don't have a sense of how long it takes to get into the stadium and then get to their seats.

It's not making excuses. It just is reflecting reality. I'd like people to get into the stadium earlier and stay until the very end, but for a lot of people, that isn't going to happen.

The good news is those of us diehards who stay until the end are the ones that make all the noise anyway. The potted plant fans don't do squat.


Well guess what you are gonna get a lesson in fandom...from this koolaid drinking battle red revolution startin...getting banned for using turpitude in the wrong way ( jk: runner) loud as heck Texan fan from San Antonio.(sec 140)( Track me down regs)

i got tired of hearing yall whine so its time to teach yall why teams come to San Antonio and more often than not get beat. Its not because of the 4 time champions its because of me. the games I go to they win because I yell my freaking head off. hell yeah. empty seat my arse... its only gonna be empty cause im standing up yelling to motivate my team to victory.
MY BETTLE CRY WILL ROCK THE LIONS TO THEIR CORE.
(BATTLE RED BEEEEEEEYOTHCES)

ITS ON........are you ready Houston?

Yankee_In_TX
10-16-2008, 10:01 AM
Wow, I was just on TA tickets looking at the Bengals game. I know I would be LUCKY to get face value for an 8th row 116 ticket. Scrolling through their site, I went through 100+ tickets before I got to tickets even close to their face value. THAT certainly doesn't help fill seats.

mexican_texan
10-16-2008, 10:22 AM
and they deserved to be disappointed!! JMO! I remember being so ticked off at the Titan's game last year I wanted to leave and never go back! As I was walking the concourse looking for something to HIT because I was so mad at my team, I heard a HUGE roar from the crowd. Made my way over to the rail and watched Sage take our guys down the field. I found a seat on the 40 yd line where I watched some of the most exciting LAST few minutes of any TEXAN home game ever witnessed, and I have seen them all. No, we didn't win, BUT, we damn sure came close, and I will NEVER forget those last couple minutes where our TEXANS played some of the best comeback football I had ever seen.
I have to admit, Davis' catch in that game is by far the biggest play in Texans history for me.

Texans_Chick
10-16-2008, 10:24 AM
Well guess what you are gonna get a lesson in fandom...from this koolaid drinking battle red revolution startin...getting banned for using turpitude in the wrong way ( jk: runner) loud as heck Texan fan from San Antonio.(sec 140)( Track me down regs)

i got tired of hearing yall whine so its time to teach yall why teams come to San Antonio and more often than not get beat. Its not because of the 4 time champions its because of me. the games I go to they win because I yell my freaking head off. hell yeah. empty seat my arse... its only gonna be empty cause im standing up yelling to motivate my team to victory.
MY BETTLE CRY WILL ROCK THE LIONS TO THEIR CORE.
(BATTLE RED BEEEEEEEYOTHCES)

ITS ON........are you ready Houston?


Sir, I must respectfully tell you, I am going to get a lesson in fandom from no one. :texans chick:

Texan_Bill
10-16-2008, 10:29 AM
Sir, I must respectfully tell you, I am going to get a lesson in fandom from no one. :texans chick:

Seconded!!! :fans:

Yankee_In_TX
10-16-2008, 10:48 AM
Sir, I must respectfully tell you, I am going to get a lesson in fandom from no one. :texans chick:

Whatever, isn't that you sitting in the club level during the Miami game?

http://www.astarservices.com/uploads/images/pictures/business-meeting-1.jpg

Texans_Chick
10-16-2008, 11:24 AM
Whatever, isn't that you sitting in the club level during the Miami game?

Nope. And I don't wear suits unless I absolutely have to any more. And I don't do conference calls either. I could go the entire rest of my life without ever being on one of those thingies. I must admit to liking wine and cheese. But never during a Texans game.

Nah, I'm the durned fool trying to get the people behind the Bull Pen Pep Band to make some noise during defense or be quiet when we are on offense. Basically, it is me, KT, the Pep Band and some other random people trying to get that side of the stadium not to be so lame. Some times we succeed.

Yankee_In_TX
10-16-2008, 11:31 AM
Nah, I'm the durned fool trying to get the people behind the Bull Pen Pep Band to make some noise during defense or be quiet when we are on offense. Basically, it is me, KT, the Pep Band and some other random people trying to get that side of the stadium not to be so lame. Some times we succeed.

Sadly, with the price of sideline seats, I think the sides will always be generally lame, with a few fans scattered about trying to fight the good fight.

Maybe it'll change after a trip or two to the playoffs.

spurstexanstros
10-16-2008, 12:13 PM
Sir, I must respectfully tell you, I am going to get a lesson in fandom from no one. :texans chick:

We shall se then...we shall see.....

spurstexanstros
10-16-2008, 12:15 PM
Nope. And I don't wear suits unless I absolutely have to any more. And I don't do conference calls either. I could go the entire rest of my life without ever being on one of those thingies. I must admit to liking wine and cheese. But never during a Texans game.

Nah, I'm the durned fool trying to get the people behind the Bull Pen Pep Band to make some noise during defense or be quiet when we are on offense. Basically, it is me, KT, the Pep Band and some other random people trying to get that side of the stadium not to be so lame. Some times we succeed.

We will be in sec 140 is that near you guys....

Spurstexanstros and Texizgreat <-------not lame

BigBull17
10-16-2008, 12:16 PM
You guys missed one of the main reasons you saw empty seats. It's hot as hell in the NEZ. Fans roam the concourse, visit the cantina's and pubs, watch the game from the mounted TVs all over the place. Some people just can't take the intense heat, I am one of them. Be it due to age, illness, whatever, they will not stay in their seats, BUT, they are still at the game. Don't blame them for what they choose to do. Most of them are diehard TEXAN fans or they wouldn't be there in the first place. I went to the Bullpen Pub toward the end of the second quarter and the place was hopping. The balcony area was packed with smokers and people who just wanted to feel the breeze. The concourse behind the Bullpen was very busy, and there were people three deep standing at the rails watching the game. Just hope for some cooler weather come November. Our two upcoming 3 pm games should make a difference in what you see also. The fans are there, you just don't see them all on TV.

It was warm, but not that hot. In the sun, I can see, but its the way football should be, in the elements.

Yankee_In_TX
10-16-2008, 12:18 PM
It was warm, but not that hot. In the sun, I can see, but its the way football should be, in the elements.

Ahhh, I agree, IF you have an open air stadium or at least a stadium built to move the air. Reliant is not.

HOU-TEX
10-16-2008, 12:20 PM
FYI, it's supposed to be a very nice day Sunday. 0% chance of rain, a high of 78 and max humidity of 63%

:fans:

spurstexanstros
10-16-2008, 12:24 PM
Again...this is Texas and football is king.....football is born under the hot sun of Texas every year...stop complaining about the heat and bring some sunscreen!!!!!!! that or drink mass quantities of adult beverages and you wont care what the temp is......

Oh yeah I am on the way home to pick up my fed exed tickets yeah!!!!!!

c5demon
10-16-2008, 12:48 PM
I actually think more fans are going to the game because more people are giving or selling there tickets for CHEAP, sometimes 50-60% off face value, giving opportunities to fans that wouldn't be able to financially be able to go. I guess every negative has a postive

dskillz
10-16-2008, 02:03 PM
We shall se then...we shall see.....



Who are you to come in here telling people how to be a fan? Is a person who can't afford to go to a game, but look at every game on TV, go to player appearances, listen to every radio interview less than a fan than you?

A person who goes to the game, sits and watches instead of standing throughout the game is less of a fan than you?

A person who displays his fandom in a different way does not need to be called out? This crap goes on waaaay too much. Not just here, just in general. Just because you want to scream and yell and stand doesn't mean everyone has to do the same. Different strokes and all that. If TC or someone else wants to look at formations, look at who is playing hurt, look at reactions from the coaching staff, while you are high-fiving everyone in the section, that is her and everyone else's choice. Plenty of times at games where I have seen "fans" are so busy proving they are "real fans" by their audible level and beer intake miss the entire game.

I can gurantee you McNair isn't jumping up and down screaming at everyone in his box to "Get Loud", so I guess that makes him less of a fan too in your book. You are a certain type of fan, let others do their thing as well without try to call them out.

Back to the point of the topic, the honeymoon with the team is starting to end and you are seeing it in the attendance of the season ticket holders and number/price of tickets on stubhub and TA.com Even a win like last week didn't really excite me after the team played so poorly all game. I saw a last second touchdown from #8 before, but that one was a QB leap at the goal line. Until this team can make that next step from mediocrity into being good I think you will continue to see masses of people getting in the stadium late, leaving early, not showing up at all, selling tickets.

spurstexanstros
10-16-2008, 02:36 PM
Who are you to come in here telling people how to be a fan? Is a person who can't afford to go to a game, but look at every game on TV, go to player appearances, listen to every radio interview less than a fan than you?

A person who goes to the game, sits and watches instead of standing throughout the game is less of a fan than you?

A person who displays his fandom in a different way does not need to be called out? This crap goes on waaaay too much. Not just here, just in general. Just because you want to scream and yell and stand doesn't mean everyone has to do the same. Different strokes and all that. If TC or someone else wants to look at formations, look at who is playing hurt, look at reactions from the coaching staff, while you are high-fiving everyone in the section, that is her and everyone else's choice. Plenty of times at games where I have seen "fans" are so busy proving they are "real fans" by their audible level and beer intake miss the entire game.

I can gurantee you McNair isn't jumping up and down screaming at everyone in his box to "Get Loud", so I guess that makes him less of a fan too in your book. You are a certain type of fan, let others do their thing as well without try to call them out.

Back to the point of the topic, the honeymoon with the team is starting to end and you are seeing it in the attendance of the season ticket holders and number/price of tickets on stubhub and TA.com Even a win like last week didn't really excite me after the team played so poorly all game. I saw a last second touchdown from #8 before, but that one was a QB leap at the goal line. Until this team can make that next step from mediocrity into being good I think you will continue to see masses of people getting in the stadium late, leaving early, not showing up at all, selling tickets.

should I put a sarcasm warning in my trash talk.... I wasnt being serious I am stoked that I am going to a game and was looking forward to showing you Houston fans how crazy us fans from Sa can be... I am not being serious...tounge in cheek

Yall just need to make some noise...get in the seats and make some noise...cmon lets get fired up.. yeah!!!

Texans_Chick
10-16-2008, 08:48 PM
Sadly, with the price of sideline seats, I think the sides will always be generally lame, with a few fans scattered about trying to fight the good fight.

Maybe it'll change after a trip or two to the playoffs.

Actually, there have been some moments where it has been rocking--Denver, New Orleans come to mind. They just have a hard time, when the team is struggling, which in my mind is when the team needs the fans the most.