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Texans Pride
10-12-2008, 05:34 PM
I think it’s great that we won. . . Against the Dolphins, with mere seconds to go. . . Man it looked just like it did last week at the end of the game.

I don’t care if I seem like a bad fan because I am not ecstatic that we just won our first game, against the team that was 1-15 last year. This isn’t our second season; we didn’t just get this team together. We have enough moral victories to last us quite awhile. This game should have been won in a decisive manner. This was a playoff bound team at the beginning of the year, remember?

I have higher expectations for this team, well; I think it would be more appropriate if I said I had higher expectations for this team.

I am now officially calling for the end of the Kubiak regime. Along with Kubiak, he can take his quarterback crush Matt Schaub with him, and his hand-picked defensive coordinator, Richard Smith, as well.

Here is my reasoning, agree or disagree with it:

Schaub: Poor decision making; throwing into double and even triple coverage on several occasions. If the throws weren’t into double or triple coverage, they were behind the receiver, or far to in front of him, i.e. 2 and 9 with 12 minutes to go in the second quarter; Schaub has Andre Davis wide open for a touchdown and he throws the ball behind him. There were several balls during the game that should have been picked off.

This team plays different when Sage is in. The offensive line is the same, yet there seems to be far less pressure. Why? Sage takes a shorter drop, releases the ball faster, and makes better decisions (with the exception of his 4 minute meltdown last week) than Schaub does.

Sage also uses the bootleg, which has been highly successful. The bootleg is all but nonexistent when Schaub is in.

Kubiak:
Play clock management, he has none. . . That’s enough of this subject.

Since he gave Schaub his ringing endorsement, along with our draft picks and several millions of dollars, he is unable/unwilling to make a switch in QB. I would have pulled Schaub’s candy behind after those two interceptions. Yes, I know, many of you will say he has to play through it; that you can’t just pull your qb because he’s starting off bad. You are correct when we are looking at one isolated game. However, Schaub is starting off this way more often times than not, i.e, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Tennessee, and the Dolphins. Kubiak is making a poor decision by keeping him in the game. The ship is sinking and Kubiak and his man-crush Schaub are pulling it completely down!

Richard Smith:
Where's the pressure; where is the ability to wrap someone up so they don't scamper 60 freaking yards on a short screen pass!? His group just continues to do the same things! Fumble recover at the end of the game....great, let's fumble it ourselves and give it right back for a first down!

The Dolphins receiver, Cobbs, had 34 yards receiving an an NFL receiver when he walked into Reliant. He plays against the Texans, and before half time, has 135 yards receiving with two touchdowns....ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

I want to win every game we possibly can, however, all this game does it keep us right where we are; stuck with a coach who is unwilling to change his line of thinking and a qb who continues to have to “play through” his rough starts.

Had we lost today, this post would probably be backed by many, however, since we were able to squeak ourselves out of Reliant because Miami left us with some time on the clock, it will be thrown to the wayside.

b0ng
10-12-2008, 05:38 PM
I am extra ordinarily angry at this win.

I DEMAND SATISFACTION KILL THE SCHAUB.

TexansSeminole
10-12-2008, 05:39 PM
The thing about Schaub is that he won't take a sack if he sees it coming and it's the smart thing to do. He only gets sacked when it comes from the blind side. Multiple times in this game he saw the rush and just tossed it into triple coverage to avoid a hit.

Runner
10-12-2008, 05:41 PM
Hey! The team won. Everything is perfect.

Wait till they reel off two in a row to end the season.

CloakNNNdagger
10-12-2008, 05:44 PM
I think itís great that we won. . . Against the Dolphins, with mere seconds to go.

I donít care if I seem like a bad fan because I am not ecstatic that we just won our first game, against the team that was 1-15 last year. This isnít our second season; we didnít just get this team together. We have enough moral victories to last us quite awhile. This game should have been won in a decisive manner

I have higher expectations for this team, well; I think it would be more appropriate if I said I had higher expectations for this team.

I am now officially calling for the end of the Kubiak regime. Along with Kubiak, he can take his quarterback crush Matt Schaub with him, and his hand-picked defensive coordinator, Richard Smith, with him.

Here is my reasoning, agree or disagree with it:

Schaub: Poor decision making; throwing into double and even triple coverage on several occasions. If the throws werenít into double or triple coverage, they were behind the receiver, or far to in front of him, i.e. 2 and 9 with 12 minutes to go in the second quarter; Schaub has Andre Davis wide open for a touchdown and he throws the ball behind him. There were several balls during the game that should have been picked off.

This team plays different when Sage is in. The offensive line is the same, yet there seems to be far less pressure. Why? Sage takes a shorter drop, releases the ball faster, and makes better decisions (with the exception of his 4 minute meltdown last week) than Schaub does.

Sage also uses the bootleg, which has been highly successful. The bootleg is all but nonexistent when Schaub is in.

Kubiak:
Play clock management, he has none. . . Thatís enough of this subject.

Since he gave Schaub his ringing endorsement, along with our draft picks and several millions of dollars, he is unable/unwilling to make a switch in QB. I would have pulled Schaubís candy behind after those two interceptions. Yes, I know, many of you will say he has to play through it; that you canít just pull your qb because heís starting off bad. You are correct when we are looking at one isolated game. However, Schaub is starting off this way more often times than not, i.e, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Tennessee, and the Dolphins. Kubiak is making a poor decision by keeping him in the game. The ship is sinking and Kubiak and his man-crush Schaub are pulling it completely down!

Richard Smith:
Where's the pressure, where is the ability to wrap someone up so they don't scamper 60 freaking yards on a short screen pass! His group just continues to do the same things! Fumble recover at the end of the game....great, let's fumble it ourselves and give it right back for a first down!

The Dolphins receiver Cobbs had 34 yards receiving an an NFL receiver when he walked into Reliant. He plays against the Texans, and before half time has 135 yards receiving with two touchdowns....ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

I want to win every game we possibly can, however, all this game does it keep us right where we are; stuck with a coach who is unwilling to change his line of thinking and a qb who continues to have to ďplay throughĒ his rough starts.

Had we lost today, this post would probably be backed by many, however, since we were able to squeak ourselves out of Reliant because Miami left us with some time on the clock, it will be thrown to the wayside.

This is what I called "manufactured" excitement in another thread. We all have to be excited by the 1st win. But those who see some very negative patterns have a difficult time thinking that if they are not corrected, occasionally barely winning will continue to be the only real excitement that we will be able to walk away with........when we are not losing.

utahmark
10-12-2008, 06:12 PM
I think itís great that we won. . . Against the Dolphins, with mere seconds to go. . . Man it looked just like it did last week at the end of the game.

I donít care if I seem like a bad fan because I am not ecstatic that we just won our first game, against the team that was 1-15 last year. This isnít our second season; we didnít just get this team together. We have enough moral victories to last us quite awhile. This game should have been won in a decisive manner. This was a playoff bound team at the beginning of the year, remember?

I have higher expectations for this team, well; I think it would be more appropriate if I said I had higher expectations for this team.

I am now officially calling for the end of the Kubiak regime. Along with Kubiak, he can take his quarterback crush Matt Schaub with him, and his hand-picked defensive coordinator, Richard Smith, as well.

Here is my reasoning, agree or disagree with it:

Schaub: Poor decision making; throwing into double and even triple coverage on several occasions. If the throws werenít into double or triple coverage, they were behind the receiver, or far to in front of him, i.e. 2 and 9 with 12 minutes to go in the second quarter; Schaub has Andre Davis wide open for a touchdown and he throws the ball behind him. There were several balls during the game that should have been picked off.

This team plays different when Sage is in. The offensive line is the same, yet there seems to be far less pressure. Why? Sage takes a shorter drop, releases the ball faster, and makes better decisions (with the exception of his 4 minute meltdown last week) than Schaub does.

Sage also uses the bootleg, which has been highly successful. The bootleg is all but nonexistent when Schaub is in.

Kubiak:
Play clock management, he has none. . . Thatís enough of this subject.Since he gave Schaub his ringing endorsement, along with our draft picks and several millions of dollars, he is unable/unwilling to make a switch in QB. I would have pulled Schaubís candy behind after those two interceptions. Yes, I know, many of you will say he has to play through it; that you canít just pull your qb because heís starting off bad. You are correct when we are looking at one isolated game. However, Schaub is starting off this way more often times than not, i.e, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Tennessee, and the Dolphins. Kubiak is making a poor decision by keeping him in the game. The ship is sinking and Kubiak and his man-crush Schaub are pulling it completely down!

Richard Smith:
Where's the pressure; where is the ability to wrap someone up so they don't scamper 60 freaking yards on a short screen pass!? His group just continues to do the same things! Fumble recover at the end of the game....great, let's fumble it ourselves and give it right back for a first down!

The Dolphins receiver, Cobbs, had 34 yards receiving an an NFL receiver when he walked into Reliant. He plays against the Texans, and before half time, has 135 yards receiving with two touchdowns....ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

I want to win every game we possibly can, however, all this game does it keep us right where we are; stuck with a coach who is unwilling to change his line of thinking and a qb who continues to have to ďplay throughĒ his rough starts.

Had we lost today, this post would probably be backed by many, however, since we were able to squeak ourselves out of Reliant because Miami left us with some time on the clock, it will be thrown to the wayside.

that pass to davis wouldnt of been a td.

you can think the brown/porter machup for schaub's lack of time to throw the ball.

clock managment looked pretty good at the end of the game.

Norg
10-12-2008, 07:32 PM
i think matt has 2 free season of play time for this team and if hes not for this team then we will start sage since the 1st season he gets a free pass he was hurt and that was his first time starting

and lets just say sage has not shown 100% hes a solidfied starter after what happend last week

gtexan02
10-12-2008, 07:40 PM
I disagree. Kubiak called a good game.

buddyboy
10-12-2008, 07:44 PM
I think itís great that we won. . . Against the Dolphins, with mere seconds to go. . . Man it looked just like it did last week at the end of the game.

I donít care if I seem like a bad fan because I am not ecstatic that we just won our first game, against the team that was 1-15 last year. This isnít our second season; we didnít just get this team together. We have enough moral victories to last us quite awhile. This game should have been won in a decisive manner. This was a playoff bound team at the beginning of the year, remember?

I have higher expectations for this team, well; I think it would be more appropriate if I said I had higher expectations for this team.

I am now officially calling for the end of the Kubiak regime. Along with Kubiak, he can take his quarterback crush Matt Schaub with him, and his hand-picked defensive coordinator, Richard Smith, as well.

Here is my reasoning, agree or disagree with it:

Schaub: Poor decision making; throwing into double and even triple coverage on several occasions. If the throws werenít into double or triple coverage, they were behind the receiver, or far to in front of him, i.e. 2 and 9 with 12 minutes to go in the second quarter; Schaub has Andre Davis wide open for a touchdown and he throws the ball behind him. There were several balls during the game that should have been picked off.

This team plays different when Sage is in. The offensive line is the same, yet there seems to be far less pressure. Why? Sage takes a shorter drop, releases the ball faster, and makes better decisions (with the exception of his 4 minute meltdown last week) than Schaub does.

Sage also uses the bootleg, which has been highly successful. The bootleg is all but nonexistent when Schaub is in.
Kubiak:
Play clock management, he has none. . . Thatís enough of this subject.

Since he gave Schaub his ringing endorsement, along with our draft picks and several millions of dollars, he is unable/unwilling to make a switch in QB. I would have pulled Schaubís candy behind after those two interceptions. Yes, I know, many of you will say he has to play through it; that you canít just pull your qb because heís starting off bad. You are correct when we are looking at one isolated game. However, Schaub is starting off this way more often times than not, i.e, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Tennessee, and the Dolphins. Kubiak is making a poor decision by keeping him in the game. The ship is sinking and Kubiak and his man-crush Schaub are pulling it completely down!

Richard Smith:
Where's the pressure; where is the ability to wrap someone up so they don't scamper 60 freaking yards on a short screen pass!? His group just continues to do the same things! Fumble recover at the end of the game....great, let's fumble it ourselves and give it right back for a first down!

The Dolphins receiver, Cobbs, had 34 yards receiving an an NFL receiver when he walked into Reliant. He plays against the Texans, and before half time, has 135 yards receiving with two touchdowns....ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

I want to win every game we possibly can, however, all this game does it keep us right where we are; stuck with a coach who is unwilling to change his line of thinking and a qb who continues to have to ďplay throughĒ his rough starts.

Had we lost today, this post would probably be backed by many, however, since we were able to squeak ourselves out of Reliant because Miami left us with some time on the clock, it will be thrown to the wayside.

1. You can't just exclude parts of a player's stats/game that you don't want to include. It's like saying a RB averaged a measly 3 yards a carry, minus the two 40+ yard runs he broke off.

2. You don't bench your starting QB after two INTs. If Kubiak had, then I might be the one questioning his decision making. After those 2 interceptions (and yes, I know he threw many others that COULD have been INTs), he didn't throw another one, and we won the game. Besides, you take Schaub out and put in Sage? Really? After the 4th quarter meltdown he had last week? You're going to put it back into his hands since Schaub threw 2 interceptions in the first quarter? It's like pulling out Brown since he let Porter get to Schaub; you have to keep your starters out there.

3. It's not really the DC's fault when someone fumbles the ball...

Runner
10-12-2008, 07:45 PM
There is still a long way to go.

It is a good thing that the team won a game, no doubt about it. But just as they may have been 0-4 because they were "playing play-off teams from last year" they may now be 1-4 because the "played a 1-15 team from last year".

I don't think the Texans win many games with a -3 turnover ratio. There are areas that need a lot of work; maybe they did learn to have confidence with the game on the line though. That would be a good step in the right direction.

GlassHalfFull
10-12-2008, 07:53 PM
I think itís great that we won. . . Against the Dolphins, with mere seconds to go. . . Man it looked just like it did last week at the end of the game.

I donít care if I seem like a bad fan because I am not ecstatic that we just won our first game, against the team that was 1-15 last year. This isnít our second season; we didnít just get this team together. We have enough moral victories to last us quite awhile. This game should have been won in a decisive manner. This was a playoff bound team at the beginning of the year, remember?

I have higher expectations for this team, well; I think it would be more appropriate if I said I had higher expectations for this team.

I am now officially calling for the end of the Kubiak regime. Along with Kubiak, he can take his quarterback crush Matt Schaub with him, and his hand-picked defensive coordinator, Richard Smith, as well.

Here is my reasoning, agree or disagree with it:

Schaub: Poor decision making; throwing into double and even triple coverage on several occasions. If the throws werenít into double or triple coverage, they were behind the receiver, or far to in front of him, i.e. 2 and 9 with 12 minutes to go in the second quarter; Schaub has Andre Davis wide open for a touchdown and he throws the ball behind him. There were several balls during the game that should have been picked off.

This team plays different when Sage is in. The offensive line is the same, yet there seems to be far less pressure. Why? Sage takes a shorter drop, releases the ball faster, and makes better decisions (with the exception of his 4 minute meltdown last week) than Schaub does.

Sage also uses the bootleg, which has been highly successful. The bootleg is all but nonexistent when Schaub is in.

Kubiak:
Play clock management, he has none. . . Thatís enough of this subject.

Since he gave Schaub his ringing endorsement, along with our draft picks and several millions of dollars, he is unable/unwilling to make a switch in QB. I would have pulled Schaubís candy behind after those two interceptions. Yes, I know, many of you will say he has to play through it; that you canít just pull your qb because heís starting off bad. You are correct when we are looking at one isolated game. However, Schaub is starting off this way more often times than not, i.e, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Tennessee, and the Dolphins. Kubiak is making a poor decision by keeping him in the game. The ship is sinking and Kubiak and his man-crush Schaub are pulling it completely down!

Richard Smith:
Where's the pressure; where is the ability to wrap someone up so they don't scamper 60 freaking yards on a short screen pass!? His group just continues to do the same things! Fumble recover at the end of the game....great, let's fumble it ourselves and give it right back for a first down!

The Dolphins receiver, Cobbs, had 34 yards receiving an an NFL receiver when he walked into Reliant. He plays against the Texans, and before half time, has 135 yards receiving with two touchdowns....ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

I want to win every game we possibly can, however, all this game does it keep us right where we are; stuck with a coach who is unwilling to change his line of thinking and a qb who continues to have to ďplay throughĒ his rough starts.

Had we lost today, this post would probably be backed by many, however, since we were able to squeak ourselves out of Reliant because Miami left us with some time on the clock, it will be thrown to the wayside.

There is so much I disagree with in this post, but I just want to point out that if you were in charge and pulled Schaub after the interceptions - the game would more than likely have been lost. So, I for one, am thrilled Kubiak is making the calls and not you.

HJam72
10-12-2008, 07:54 PM
OD for QB!

OK, now I'm just messin' with ya. :user:

Wolf
10-12-2008, 07:56 PM
What gets me when we get into the Red zone.. we seem to lose track of Daniels.. Is he in the formations that we use?

Leahmic223
10-12-2008, 08:07 PM
I'm not going to bash the team for a week. All season long they found ways to lose games, today they found a way to win. Yeah it was a ugly win, the Colts won ugly against us and destroyed the Ravens this week...so hopefully it was just one of those things where all this team needed was some proof that if they worked hard enough they could win...and dontcha forget about dunta!

HJam72
10-12-2008, 08:09 PM
I'm not going to bash the team for a week. All season long they found ways to lose games, today they found a way to win. Yeah it was a ugly win, the Colts won ugly against us and destroyed the Ravens this week...so hopefully it was just one of those things where all this team needed was some proof that if they worked hard enough they could win...and dontcha forget about dunta!

Who's Dunta? :jk:

Oh, that Dunta! :mail:

Texans Pride
10-12-2008, 08:22 PM
I disagree. Kubiak called a good game.


I agree, I think Kubiak called a great game; I just think it would have been better with a different qb under center.

Texans Pride
10-12-2008, 08:24 PM
2. You don't bench your starting QB after two INTs. If Kubiak had, then I might be the one questioning his decision making. After those 2 interceptions (and yes, I know he threw many others that COULD have been INTs), he didn't throw another one, and we won the game. Besides, you take Schaub out and put in Sage? Really? After the 4th quarter meltdown he had last week? You're going to put it back into his hands since Schaub threw 2 interceptions in the first quarter? It's like pulling out Brown since he let Porter get to Schaub; you have to keep your starters out there.

Of course you don't, if this is one or two games.

This play has gone back to the preseason against the Cowboys. You have to look at the whole picture rather than a slice. His play against the Jags was the exception.

Texans Pride
10-12-2008, 08:25 PM
There is so much I disagree with in this post, but I just want to point out that if you were in charge and pulled Schaub after the interceptions - the game would more than likely have been lost. So, I for one, am thrilled Kubiak is making the calls and not you.

What gives you this indication; are you going back to Sage's meltdown?

TexansLucky13
10-12-2008, 08:26 PM
What gives you this indication; are you going back to Sage's meltdown?

After last week, I am stunned that you would be so keen on putting Sage back out there. Stunned.

Jackie Chiles
10-12-2008, 08:34 PM
I had totally lost all hope in Jacoby Jones. I thought his confidence was shot for good seeing all the balls he would just let fall right in front of him instead of calling a fair catch. I'm glad Kubiak is making those calls because we could not have won without JJ. Once Duane Brown gets the hang of this whole LT in the NFL deal I expect Schaub to be much more consistent.

If we had lost there would indeed have been a different tone on this board but one could just as easily argue that had we beat Jacksonville and or Indy the mood would have been more upbeat.

Hervoyel
10-12-2008, 08:39 PM
The single biggest concern I have is the stupid mistakes. Those are something I think we should all be very, very worried about because we're really not going to be looking at too many wins where we turn the ball over that many times and it seems like this year is just a continuation of last seasons turnover problems. That is I believe entirely on coaching. The Texans aren't taking care of the football and nothing that they've done to try and get the bleeding there stopped has registered to these guys.

To me that's the biggest problem out there right now.

Like most people I talk to I keep a "hypothetical win/loss column" in my head and through the course of the season I know what the Texans record is and what I think it should be. Right now I think the Texans are a coin toss and 5 bad minutes away from being 3-2. Right now I think we've left two wins on the field and that they have no one but themselves to blame for those losses.

If the Texans don't get that turnover thing worked out they're going to end the year with 4-6 wins at most. If they don't come back next week and beat the Lions then this win won't mean much of anything in the long run.

Leahmic223
10-12-2008, 08:47 PM
I think turnovers are not the Coaches fault.

I think it is a confidence issue. Just finished listening to Andre and he said when he fumbled he thought about taking it into the endzone...so as far as fumbles are concerned it is a mental issue. Nothing Kubes can do in practice to improve on guys just holding onto the ball...I'm sure holding the football is a realyl basic thing, and that's all he can do is teach that and preach it.

As far as INT's go...well they come in many different fashions and that is where we need to improve.

Hervoyel
10-12-2008, 09:10 PM
Turnovers are indeed a "mental thing" and I'm under the impression that the teams state of mind and readiness to play is primarily something that the coaches take responsibility for. The coaching staff works hard to have their players execute what they've been taught to do and to reinforce the fundamentals of the game.

Look at penalties for example. When a team has excessive numbers of penalties year in and year out that team is widely proclaimed to be "undisciplined" and the blame for this always falls on the coaches even though they are not out on the field. Their players behavior reflects the way they've been prepared.

The coaches preach taking care of the ball on a fairly constant basis I understand and if this were a 2-3 game stretch where the team just had a few bad breaks (deflected passes for instance) and a couple of guys made the mistake of not holding on to the rock that would be one thing. We've all seen teams and individual players go through periods of trouble hanging on to the ball. We've all seen QB's throw a wild game or two. This is something (interceptions) both our QB's do and it's gone on for two years now.

I think the Texans need to try and find an answer to this and I worry that they can't manage it with the people they have right now.

Brando
10-12-2008, 09:20 PM
I disagree. Kubiak called a good game.


Cowher even said so in the Post Game show.

Leahmic223
10-12-2008, 09:26 PM
Turnovers are indeed a "mental thing" and I'm under the impression that the teams state of mind and readiness to play is primarily something that the coaches take responsibility for. The coaching staff works hard to have their players execute what they've been taught to do and to reinforce the fundamentals of the game.

Look at penalties for example. When a team has excessive numbers of penalties year in and year out that team is widely proclaimed to be "undisciplined" and the blame for this always falls on the coaches even though they are not out on the field. Their players behavior reflects the way they've been prepared.

The coaches preach taking care of the ball on a fairly constant basis I understand and if this were a 2-3 game stretch where the team just had a few bad breaks (deflected passes for instance) and a couple of guys made the mistake of not holding on to the rock that would be one thing. We've all seen teams and individual players go through periods of trouble hanging on to the ball. We've all seen QB's throw a wild game or two. This is something (interceptions) both our QB's do and it's gone on for two years now.

I think the Texans need to try and find an answer to this and I worry that they can't manage it with the people they have right now.

Yeah fair enough, the Coaches do need to get our guys mentally prepared to not cough the ball up. I think it has been better this season, Andre is better than that and Wilson...idk he just wanted to make a play (kinda like Sage).

I agree with the QB thing, coming into this game all of our Turnovers were by our QBs.

Texans Pride
10-12-2008, 09:33 PM
After last week, I am stunned that you would be so keen on putting Sage back out there. Stunned.


Before last week, I would have never put Sage out there. Last week changed my view of the quarterback situation, and this week confirmed what I was thinking.

Sage fell apart at the end of last weeks game, I do not deny that one bit. However, this team moves more effectively and efficiently with Sage as opposed to Schaub.

TexansLucky13
10-12-2008, 09:39 PM
Before last week, I would have never put Sage out there. Last week changed my view of the quarterback situation, and this week confirmed what I was thinking.

Sage fell apart at the end of last weeks game, I do not deny that one bit. However, this team moves more effectively and efficiently with Sage as opposed to Schaub.

What about the Jaguars game? Schaub looked great in that one, and we lost it because of defense in OT.

Texans Pride
10-12-2008, 09:43 PM
What about the Jaguars game? Schaub looked great in that one, and we lost it because of defense in OT.

I actually don't think he looked great, however I do think he looked good. He managed the game, didn't let it get away from him to much.

I think Sage outperformed Schaub in both of the games.

eriadoc
10-12-2008, 10:00 PM
... it seems like this year is just a continuation of last seasons turnover problems. That is I believe entirely on coaching.

I think turnovers are not the Coaches fault.

Turnovers are indeed a "mental thing" and I'm under the impression that the teams state of mind and readiness to play is primarily something that the coaches take responsibility for ...

The coaches preach taking care of the ball on a fairly constant basis I understand ...

The team does very well in the penalty department, which tells me that the coaches are definitely preparing the players mentally. So what specifically do you think the coaches should change? You admit that you think they're preaching on it constantly, and we know that players have had to live with the ball when they've had fumble problems. We've all heard Kubiak point to turnovers time and time again as the root of all our problems on offense, so you know he's aware of the problem and hates it as much as anyone. But the coaches aren't on the field dropping balls and throwing at opposing players. So what do you propose?

I'm not trying to be contentious at all, BTW. I really am stumped on how we can be so bad at taking care of the ball, and if people really think it's on the coaches, I'd like to know what should change.

HJam72
10-13-2008, 12:59 AM
Here's an idea:

Every time Schaub chunks one into double coverage just to avoid getting hit, he takes a hit in practice anyway (unless AJ catches the dang thing).

Our turnover problems are all on the QBs. I'm not going to blame AJ for that just yet. It's really not a habit with him. As far as Eugene Wilson goes....pft, how many times is he going to see the ball anyway? We gotta get our QBs to use their brains. That's all it is.

eriadoc
10-13-2008, 01:12 AM
Here's an idea:

Every time Schaub chunks one into double coverage just to avoid getting hit, he takes a hit in practice anyway (unless AJ catches the dang thing).

Our turnover problems are all on the QBs. I'm not going to blame AJ for that just yet. It's really not a habit with him. As far as Eugene Wilson goes....pft, how many times is he going to see the ball anyway? We gotta get our QBs to use their brains. That's all it is.

That would appear to be the case. Last year, OD had a bit of a fumble problem (4), but this year he's been nails. The backs haven't been putting it on the ground, either.

GP
10-13-2008, 08:16 AM
Before last week, I would have never put Sage out there. Last week changed my view of the quarterback situation, and this week confirmed what I was thinking.

Sage fell apart at the end of last weeks game, I do not deny that one bit. However, this team moves more effectively and efficiently with Sage as opposed to Schaub.

I agree that Sage runs the offense more efficiently, but he is prone to those sorts of meltdowns...the previous brain-farts had just been a little less obvious and didn't impact a game nearly as obviously as the Colts game revealed.

I dislike BOTH of our QBs, to tell you the truth. This has been an opinion that has been slowly forming over the past year for me. How good would we be if we had a really young, competent QB?

It's hard to even THINK about trying to identify and obtain a "project" QB who can sit and watch Schaub for the next 2 years. And, it's still a gamble at the end of the day. Bill Walsh said that if an NFL team's scout(s) get 2 pro-bowl QBs out of every 10 that they bring in...they are geniuses. It's just so hard to find a good one.

Hervoyel
10-13-2008, 09:31 AM
The team does very well in the penalty department, which tells me that the coaches are definitely preparing the players mentally. So what specifically do you think the coaches should change? You admit that you think they're preaching on it constantly, and we know that players have had to live with the ball when they've had fumble problems. We've all heard Kubiak point to turnovers time and time again as the root of all our problems on offense, so you know he's aware of the problem and hates it as much as anyone. But the coaches aren't on the field dropping balls and throwing at opposing players. So what do you propose?

I'm not trying to be contentious at all, BTW. I really am stumped on how we can be so bad at taking care of the ball, and if people really think it's on the coaches, I'd like to know what should change.


I get that you're just like all of us and looking for an answer here. We are all kind of grasping at ideas trying to figure this out. Looking at yesterday and taking some points into consideration that have been mentioned on this thread since I posted I see that we don't so much have a "turnover problem" as we have an interception problem. Yes, yesterday we had a couple of costly fumbles but AJ is usually very sure handed and I can accept that Wilson was just trying to make a play and hit the ground awkwardly. It happens. The best teams at protecting the ball still have some of those fluke hits that knock a few rocks free.

I guess that tells me that our guys are taking the "protect the ball" concept seriously. Our QB's (and this one is primarily on Matt) however are throwing picks in bunches. Matt's had one great game with three TD's and no picks but in the other three games he's been intercepted 7 times. That's scary. Sage threw one in there to make it 8 interceptions but this has been Matt's problem all year.

I was wrong there. If the rest of the team is more or less getting the message then the coaches are in all likelyhood doing their job in that department. When it's a handful of players (like specifically the QB's) then you have to think it's the player. It's on Matt.

I'm desperate for Schaub to work out because frankly I hate the idea that the Texans wasted a pair of 2's on a good backup when we already had a good backup in Rosencopter. I'm not interested in seeing another David Carr saga play out however. If he's just not the guy then I don't want to watch them spend three or four years trying to find a way to make him work out to justify the two picks and the money they spent.

This year I've felt that he's been wildly inaccurate at times, overly risky in his decisions on an almost regular basis, and I've felt like he's not shown the pocket presence that he seems to have when he's "on". He's a streaky kind of QB and that's alarming because in the NFL you can be average as long as you're consistently average. You'll enjoy a steady career backing up someone else. These guys who swing wildly from scary bad to very good don't seem to have much future.

I'd really hoped to see him settle down and show some signs of growth this year. It hasn't happened much though.

So looking at our problem of interceptions I see a QB who is doing things that are probably making Kubiak pull his hair out. We saw how long Gary put up with that from Carr and I'd assume that Schaub gets a longer leash because a) he's Gary's boy, and b) he's just starting his second year as a starter. Like a lot of people I'm willing to give him some more time and probably won't be ready to write this off as a bad investment until the end of the season. If he's still doing this at the end of the year or when the 2009 season takes off I'm going to be a pretty hostile fan. If he ends the year playing this way I expect the Texans to start preparing for the inevitable necessary replacement and I don't mean Sage. It will be time to start hunting a real franchise signal caller (again).

Hopefully this all kind of works itself out and we wrap the year up on the rise with Schaub playing better, Duane Brown protecting better, and everybody looking forward to doing some real damage in 2009.

Polo
10-13-2008, 09:39 AM
The team does very well in the penalty department, which tells me that the coaches are definitely preparing the players mentally. So what specifically do you think the coaches should change? You admit that you think they're preaching on it constantly, and we know that players have had to live with the ball when they've had fumble problems. We've all heard Kubiak point to turnovers time and time again as the root of all our problems on offense, so you know he's aware of the problem and hates it as much as anyone. But the coaches aren't on the field dropping balls and throwing at opposing players. So what do you propose?

I'm not trying to be contentious at all, BTW. I really am stumped on how we can be so bad at taking care of the ball, and if people really think it's on the coaches, I'd like to know what should change.

IMHO, it's something that a team has to grow out of...

The coaches aren't on the field so ultimately something like holding on to the ball comes down on the player(s)...

I think that as they see the importance of the small things they will start to become more mindful of them...JMO...