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Texans_Chick
10-08-2008, 05:46 PM
This is an unnerving article:

Bob McNair on the Texans (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6047559.html)

He gives the coaching staff a vote of confidence and then says this stuff:

McNair said he is primary focus is on the game Sunday, but that he is well aware of the financial woes of Reliant Energy and concerned about possibly losing them as a partner.

McNair has had a close partnership with Reliant ever since 2002 when they bought the naming rights for the stadium and the surrounding buildings. Reliant pays around $10 million a year for the naming rights — about $8 million of which goes to the Texans.

"I am concerned about it because I have good friends at Reliant and they are a great partner," McNair said. "I'd like to see them continue as a partner. But they are looking at other strategic options, and they are going to do what's in their best interest and we'll work with them as we go forward."

When the naming rights were bought by Reliant in 2002, it was the most lucrative deal of its kind at the time. That money has played a substantial role for the franchise, and McNair said changes would have to be made if the relationship ends.

NFL owners are already preparing to work toward a new collective bargaining agreement. They recently opted out of the last one early because they were giving the players a larger percentage of the gross revenue than they wanted.

A Reliant spokesman said recently that the company has no plans to back away from its naming rights on the $367 million stadium. And McNair hopes that remains true. "It would reduce our income and we'd have to adjust accordingly," McNair said. "We'd have to cut our expenses. But we'll deal with that based upon what happens."


Eek. I don't like hearing this financial stuff. He recently sold his horse farm to concentrate on football more. I am wondering if the economic ook is affecting him any.

I'm wondering if this is one of those things I would prefer not to know, especially after being bummed about a 0-4 start.

Texan_Bill
10-08-2008, 05:51 PM
:yikes:

*thinks puppy dogs and ice cream, puppy dogs and ice cream.....*

Hookem Horns
10-08-2008, 05:56 PM
If the Reliant deal falls through all they will have to do is raise ticket, parking, concession, and merchandise prices. Not a big deal really since the fans are always more than willing to chip in the extra dough.

:sarcasm:

Porky
10-08-2008, 06:00 PM
This calls for dramtic changes. I suspect he will change out the lamberghini for a Ferrari.

How does he make it?

Double Barrel
10-08-2008, 06:02 PM
If the Reliant deal falls through all they will have to do is raise ticket, parking, concession, and merchandise prices. Not a big deal really since the fans are always more than willing to chip in the extra dough.

:sarcasm:

That was my first thought, about raising prices to make up the difference.

If I don't continue to buy season tickets, it will not be because I've bailed on the team. It will solely come down to the simple fact that I can no longer afford it.

I've been told that I have a wine taste on a beer salary. That is somewhat true to a certain extent.

Texans_Chick
10-08-2008, 06:08 PM
Here is the entirety of Bob McNair's press conference notes (sorry I do not have a link):

Texans owner Bob McNair
(on what he feels like after losing the game on Sunday versus the Colts) “Well, I feel like everybody else that’s 0 and 4 does—miserable. I hate it, and I don’t know anybody that likes it, but that’s history. What’s important now is for us to go out and win this game (versus Miami) and start a winning streak. I think we’re capable of doing that. I think the game we played this past Sunday is the best game we’ve played in the history of this franchise. We had a couple of mistakes at the end of the game that cost us, and we’ve got to correct that, but in terms of the way our team played, one of the things we’ve said that was a challenge is how do we go out and play against somebody like Indianapolis and handle them and we handled them. I think our players saw that. I think they have confidence going forward and know what we can do. Now, we just have to go out and finish.”

(on if he can envision any scenario this season where he would fire head coach Gary Kubiak and start over) “I’m focusing on where we are right now and what we’re doing. I’d say our coaching staff is doing a fine job. The players were prepared. They executed well. They played hard. What could anybody else do?”

(on if he is concerned about the naming rights to the stadium and where the economy is right now) “Yes I’m concerned about it because I’ve got good friends there at Reliant, and they’re a great partner. I’d like to see them continue as a partner, but they’re looking at other strategic options. They’re going to do what’s in their best interest, and we’ll work with them as they go forward.”

(on what he thinks the chances of losing Reliant as a partner are) “I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it. Right now, I want to see a good result for Reliant. We’re going to work with them in whatever structure they come out with going forward. They’ve been a great partner.”

(on if Reliant has asked him to renegotiate the partnership) “That’s just pure speculation. Anything could happen. The main thing is that they’re a great company, and they’ve been a great partner of ours. We’re going to support them in every way.”

(on if it is reassuring that Reliant said they have adequate liquidity and that it is business as usual) “That is important to them because they’re in the trading business and they need to have liquidity in order to affect trades. So, it’s good that they were able to do that, but I’m not sitting inside their board room and I don’t know everything that is going on there. All I can do is hope that everything works out that’s beneficial to them and their shareholders and our relationship.”

(on what the significance of the naming rights of Reliant means to him, the rodeo, and the county) “It’s important to all of us, but it’s also very valuable. They recognize that. We’ve reviewed it with them through the years. They recognize the value of it. I think it’s been reported that one of the real values in Reliant is the fact that their name brand is so strong, and I think a large measure of that is due to the naming rights that they’ve had here and the high profile and visibility that that brought to them.”

(on what it would do if the team didn’t have the naming rights) “Well, it would reduce our income and we would have to adjust accordingly. We would have to cut expenses, but we’ll deal with that based upon what happens.”

(on if Reliant has been in talks with him) “They’ve talked to us. They talked us to before they made their announcements. They’ve been very conscious of their relationship with us, and we appreciate that very much.”

(on how he felt Sunday night after the loss) “I felt horrible. Probably like our fans except I don’t think they could feel as low as I felt. I told somebody I felt like a snake in a wagon track. That’s how low I was, but you don’t accomplish things going around feeling low. I asked somebody the other day, ‘tell me who you think the greatest pessimist in the world is?’ They thought and they thought and they couldn’t think of a single person. I don’t know of a single person that’s ever accomplished anything that’s a pessimist. It’s the optimists that do things and do them well. We go forward. We try to be constructive and supportive. I think the main thing is that we have to play with confidence. You play with confidence when you are well prepared and you have confidence in what you’re doing. Our coaches do have them well prepared and they’re playing hard. As long as we do that, we’re going to win a lot of games this season. I am not down in terms of our ability to win. We have not executed adequately in these first four games. We’ve got twelve more games to go, and if we keep playing the way we did Sunday, we’re going to win most of those games. I don’t know of a team on the schedule the rest of the year, if we play 60 minutes the way we played 56 minutes Sunday, I don’t know of a team on our schedule that will beat us.”

(on the importance of game against Miami) “Every one is important. Every one is a must win. So, yes we’ve got to win this game and I think we will.”

(on if he has a plan B just in case the worst happens with Reliant and the naming rights situation) “No. No, I’m not worried about that right now. I’m worried about winning this game Sunday.”

(on if he is shocked with this start since many people expected playoffs with this team) “I’m disappointed. But shocked, I don’t know. I think I’ve seen enough that nothing shocks me anymore, look at the stock market and what’s happening in the world all around us. No, I’m not shocked by it. I’m disappointed, and I certainly didn’t think it would start this way. Our players didn’t, our coaches didn’t, but it’s a long season. We’ve got twelve more games to play. We plan to go out and play them one at a time. We plan to start by winning this one on Sunday.”

(on how his team is able to stay sane with the 0-4 start while many other 0-4 teams are firing their coaches) “We’re playing well. We’re playing well. The last two games we’ve played very well. I suspect any team that’s playing well players are going to feel good and they’re going to feel good about their coaches. That’s the way I feel. I was sincere when I made the comment that if we get 60 minutes, and we will, if we play 60 minutes the way we played 56 this last week, I don’t know of any team on our schedule that will beat us. I don’t know who it is. So, that being the case, why should we do anything but go out and work harder? Keep doing what we’ve been doing, do it a little bit better, and concentrate to finish and make sure that we don’t let it slip away at the end.”

There you go. Just putting everything in context.

Corrosion
10-08-2008, 06:16 PM
That was my first thought, about raising prices to make up the difference.

If I don't continue to buy season tickets, it will not be because I've bailed on the team. It will solely come down to the simple fact that I can no longer afford it.

I've been told that I have a wine taste on a beer salary. That is somewhat true to a certain extent.

Was it your mother or wife who said that ? ..... I fall into the category of Both of the above.

Sucks this "Financial Rosencoptor" is affecting us in so many ways .... even our escapes from the daily grind.

hollywood_texan
10-08-2008, 06:23 PM
If the Reliant deal falls through all they will have to do is raise ticket, parking, concession, and merchandise prices. Not a big deal really since the fans are always more than willing to chip in the extra dough.

:sarcasm:


Just think if you are an NFL owner and about to complete construction on a billion dollar stadium.

When I first read about that new stadium, my first thought was how do you get a reasonsable ROI on that investment?

Drew_Smoke
10-08-2008, 06:31 PM
Cutting expenses has nada to do with team payroll. He's Uncle Bob...not Uncle Drayton.

Reliant sux anyway. I never got my check to call Bob's Field, Reliant Stadium. So its either Texans Stadium or Bob's Field around me. Coke could pop in to take over. Either that or maybe Mattress Mac figured out VY was the WRONG pick and has gotten over it.

WWJD
10-08-2008, 06:44 PM
Usually a vote of confidence for NFL coaches is the kiss of death...

I could envision a coaching change if the team continues to lose.

Not anything like a middle of the year change but maybe over the summer type thing.

I know I'm in the minority but I'm not completely sold on Kubiak as the head guy. And Cowher is out there...just saying.

Hagar
10-08-2008, 07:13 PM
If the Reliant deal falls through all they will have to do is raise ticket, parking, concession, and merchandise prices. Not a big deal really since the fans are always more than willing to chip in the extra dough.

:sarcasm:I've never understood how a losing record equaled increased ticket prices. Seems a bit odd to me but it is an economic truth.

Corrosion
10-08-2008, 07:14 PM
Usually a vote of confidence for NFL coaches is the kiss of death...

I could envision a coaching change if the team continues to lose.

Not anything like a middle of the year change but maybe over the summer type thing.

I know I'm in the minority but I'm not completely sold on Kubiak as the head guy. And Cowher is out there...just saying.

You may be right .... A vote of confidence can mean the begining of the end .... Cept for this guy we have running the team isnt your average owner. I think he meant it and Kubiak will be here a while even if we see a Rosencoptor season ....


As for Cowher , I dont see him taking over a team like this one. Its just got too many holes .... I can only see him coming out of retirement to take over a contending team.

nunusguy
10-08-2008, 07:24 PM
(on if he can envision any scenario this season where he would fire head coach Gary Kubiak and start over) “I’m focusing on where we are right now and what we’re doing. I’d say our coaching staff is doing a fine job. The players were prepared. They executed well. They played hard. What could anybody else do?”
**********************************
Huh ? Is that a categorical endorsement of Kubiaks performance ? I don't think so. I didn't hear McNair say anything like "Kubiaks definitely my guy" or "we got some bad luck, with Ike and all, but I'm totally happy with
Gary".
And most meaningfully, he side-stepped a direct reply to the specific question put to him about firing Kubiak.

GP
10-08-2008, 07:37 PM
Poor Bob.

I almost felt sorry for him, until I realized that Billionaires make billions and we don't. So Bob falls from number 4 to number 8 on the "Most Profitable NFL Franchise" list? Excuse me if I don't shed a tear.

But hey, times are tough...even for the wealthy. :joker:

He'll scrape by somehow. He's not a pessimist, remember.

(If Reliant doesn't renew...some other company will pay a few million less. Big deal).

Htownsportsfan
10-08-2008, 09:37 PM
If Reliant bails someone else will step right in no matter the matket situation.

Enron Field, Adelphia etc someone always wants the pub the receive on game day and for event.

HJam72
10-08-2008, 09:42 PM
I might give a few hundred for HJam Stadium. :splits:

The1ApplePie
10-08-2008, 09:56 PM
If you have ever had to deal with Reliant, Reliant Stadium and to some extent the Houston Texans in a business deal they can be total asses.

Live Nation too for that manner.

CloakNNNdagger
10-08-2008, 11:20 PM
If Reliant bails someone else will step right in no matter the matket situation.

Enron Field, Adelphia etc someone always wants the pub the receive on game day and for event.


Lehman Brothers Bankruptcy Field...............kind of catchy, no? Then you could lower expectations......and lower ticket prices, resell PSLs at a lower firesale price, get Vienna sausages in a bun instead of hot dogs, leave the torn roof open permanently and enjoy newly installed more cost-effective Hunter fan stadium circulation, purchase paper jerseys with your own personalized stencil kit, and drown your sorrows in new flagship 3 ounce "3&2"beers.:texflag:

CrosbyTexansFan
10-08-2008, 11:25 PM
I expect funds should not be a problem......why?

It will be tough trying to get really good players to stay on this team when they become free agents.

I mean, why would you stay here playing on a team that cant win?

Why play for a team that goes out there & loses games even when they play well.........for 57 minutes?

I know I'd want to sign with a team that is a proven winner if I were a big time free agent.

Anyway, when the big time free agents depart, that will leave plenty funds in the coffers so Mc Nair will not have to worry......Bud used to do the same thing except he was just plain cheap......Bob will be stuck with it just because this team is still cursed by the ghost of Bud's teams.

ubecool454
10-08-2008, 11:35 PM
If Reliant has to bail, just sell the naming rights to the Federal Reserve....they surely have some dough to blow.

ubecool454
10-08-2008, 11:36 PM
Lehman Brothers Bankruptcy Field...............kind of catchy, no? Then you could lower expectations......and lower ticket prices, resell PSLs at a lower firesale price, get Vienna sausages in a bun instead of hot dogs, leave the torn roof open permanently and enjoy newly installed more cost-effective Hunter fan stadium circulation, purchase paper jerseys with your own personalized stencil kit, and drown your sorrows in new flagship 3 ounce "3&2"beers.:texflag:

HaHa Ha...good idea..lol

Second Honeymoon
10-08-2008, 11:48 PM
his interview was the exact opposite of what i wanted to hear as a Texans fan. him going to the 'cut expenses' card really irked me. the naming rights are a drop in the bucket when compared to the TV deal anyway. i can't believe i just heard 'cut expenses' from an NFL owner's mouth much less the owner of the Texans. what expenses Bob? Houston is probably one of the least expensive places to run a franchise and one of the largest markets. Sorry that you actually have to pay people a few million so you can make 100 million and own a nearly billion dollar franchise...boo freaking hoo. if anything, he hasn't yet made the big splash in coaching or free agency. he has never been over the cap that I can remember and the only time we ever tried to do anything of any real magnitude was when we tried to get Pace from St.Louis, which in hindsight doesn't even look like it would have been that good of a move had the Rams not matched.

i dont know, he must be getting his butt kicked in the world markets because he mentioned the economy numerous times....its called a 'correction' Bob. sorry that you only have 2 billion in the bank and not 2.5 billion. boo freaking hoo.

excuse me if i don't shed a tear Bob.

jerry may be a snake oil salesman, but at least he spends $$ and has won and is trying to win every year and spares no expense and takes risks on a daily basis. this isn't college football where you build a program and try and recruit a bunch of good guys, this is the NFL. you have to produce by any means necessary and if you lose, your season is over quicker than it began. i thought we were supposed to Believe In Now. what a freaking joke.

Silver Oak
10-09-2008, 06:46 AM
I think we begin cutting expenses by reducing cheerleaders uniforms.

HoustonFrog
10-09-2008, 07:11 AM
Finances?

He is putting his usual stamp of approval on the staff. That might be a bad sign in many sports but here it means an extension no matter what happens.:gun:

nunusguy
10-09-2008, 07:13 AM
jerry may be a snake oil salesman, but at least he spends $$ and has won and is trying to win every year and spares no expense and takes risks on a daily basis.
There's no doubt in my mind that the key to Jones success has been bringing in the right guys to run his team, and very specifically I'm talking about Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells. Look at the mediocre, even inferior teams he had for quite a few years between those 2 great coachs/talent evaluators.

Malloy
10-09-2008, 07:20 AM
Lehman Brothers Bankruptcy Field...............kind of catchy, no? Then you could lower expectations......and lower ticket prices, resell PSLs at a lower firesale price, get Vienna sausages in a bun instead of hot dogs, leave the torn roof open permanently and enjoy newly installed more cost-effective Hunter fan stadium circulation, purchase paper jerseys with your own personalized stencil kit, and drown your sorrows in new flagship 3 ounce "3&2"beers.:texflag:

Dont forget the pole dancers now!

HoustonFrog
10-09-2008, 07:26 AM
There's no doubt in my mind that the key to Jones success has been bringing in the right guys to run his team, and very specifically I'm talking about Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells. Look at the mediocre, even inferior teams he had for quite a few years between those 2 great coachs/talent evaluators.

But people also forget that Jerry has been one of the top owners when it comes to change in the NFL. He almost single handedly started the whole endorsement thing while owners balked at first. The guy has been incredible as an owner. They had some down times but he still has the most profitable franchise and won 3 SBs. They should have more but I think Parcells outcoached himself with their talent. Jerry does need to keep getting guys on the Parcells and Jimmty side though and not Wade.

TD
10-09-2008, 07:49 AM
Some interesting financial info from Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Houston-Texans_302019.html)

If you look at the numbers, the Texans are already coming off the least profitable year ever. Revenues are relatively flat, while player costs last year were up considerably. I'm not sure how it all works with revenue sharing and the salary cap, but on the surface it would seem that players would have to bear the brunt of any belt tightening.


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nunusguy
10-09-2008, 08:22 AM
But people also forget that Jerry has been one of the top owners when it comes to change in the NFL. He almost single handedly started the whole endorsement thing while owners balked at first. The guy has been incredible as an owner. They had some down times but he still has the most profitable franchise and won 3 SBs. They should have more but I think Parcells outcoached himself with their talent. Jerry does need to keep getting guys on the Parcells and Jimmty side though and not Wade.
Yea H-F, but here aren't you talking about the business acumen, the entrepenureal skills of Jones, which are certainly considerable and impressive. And that definitely has a lot to do with enhancing the value of his franchise.
I'm saying that the success of the Cowboys on the field is basically tied to the coaches, 2 in particular, that he's hired while the business end, the off field success of the team is directly attributable to Jones. But for sure a teams W-L record is a factor in its popularity and therfor also its financail value.

CloakNNNdagger
10-09-2008, 08:31 AM
Jerry Jones et al. are probably sweating bullets in this economic debaucle, having committed to the new billion plus dollar stadium, obscene new PSL and ticket prices. "Promised paper money" has a way of blowing away in times like this.

Texan_Bill
10-09-2008, 08:33 AM
I think we begin cutting expenses by reducing cheerleaders uniforms.

:goodpost: Mr. McNair, please take notice.

HoustonFrog
10-09-2008, 08:34 AM
Yea H-F, but here aren't you talking about the business acumen, the entrepenureal skills of Jones, which are certainly considerable and impressive. And that definitely has a lot to do with enhancing the value of his franchise.
I'm saying that the success of the Cowboys on the field is basically tied to the coaches, 2 in particular, that he's hired while the business end, the off field success of the team is directly attributable to Jones. But for sure a teams W-L record is a factor in its popularity and therfor also its financail value.

Sure, I agree. Jimmy was the man and Parcells at least got them back on a talent level where they hadn't been in a bit. Most of us know that he meddles. I have a bro that works for them and Jerry is hands on everything from slaes to personnel. Sometimes I like it because he really wants to win and realizes that it is what makes the team more profitable. I thought he learned his Chan Gailey type lesson when he deferred to Parcells but we have Wade now. I do think that the goal is to get Garrett in there and I do like that move. We will see. His best move is to keep guys like Garrett BUT allow them to make their own moves. Just not sure he can but I know they will always be trying because of JJ.

GP
10-09-2008, 08:42 AM
his interview was the exact opposite of what i wanted to hear as a Texans fan. him going to the 'cut expenses' card really irked me. the naming rights are a drop in the bucket when compared to the TV deal anyway. i can't believe i just heard 'cut expenses' from an NFL owner's mouth much less the owner of the Texans. what expenses Bob? Houston is probably one of the least expensive places to run a franchise and one of the largest markets. Sorry that you actually have to pay people a few million so you can make 100 million and own a nearly billion dollar franchise...boo freaking hoo. if anything, he hasn't yet made the big splash in coaching or free agency. he has never been over the cap that I can remember and the only time we ever tried to do anything of any real magnitude was when we tried to get Pace from St.Louis, which in hindsight doesn't even look like it would have been that good of a move had the Rams not matched.

i dont know, he must be getting his butt kicked in the world markets because he mentioned the economy numerous times....its called a 'correction' Bob. sorry that you only have 2 billion in the bank and not 2.5 billion. boo freaking hoo.

excuse me if i don't shed a tear Bob.

jerry may be a snake oil salesman, but at least he spends $$ and has won and is trying to win every year and spares no expense and takes risks on a daily basis. this isn't college football where you build a program and try and recruit a bunch of good guys, this is the NFL. you have to produce by any means necessary and if you lose, your season is over quicker than it began. i thought we were supposed to Believe In Now. what a freaking joke.

This is a candidate for Post of The Year, along with IlliniJen's comments on what she's looking for in a REAL head coach for this team.

The bolded part is the part that I have been railing on for years now: A lot of the posters here get goosebumps when they see how much "cap room" we have, talking about how "Next year, we gonna' have a lot of money to throw at free agents!" We don't. Ever.

Extra cap dollars = Bob happy that he isn't spending that portion, thus being an even MORE profitable team.

I'm sorry guys, we have a "business" owner who has football a distant second. We're the freaking L.A. Clippers of the NFL. The fans keep buying the product, the product is luke warm on its best day(s), and the owner is a tight wad. But we got pro football, baby!

Bob's going to have to show that he truly wants to win at all costs before I cut him some slack. He didn't invent all that money that he's made, he went out and worked for it. This team, and it's much needed improvement, is no different. Quit tinkering with the adjustments on your spreadsheets, and start getting quality players and coaches on board.

A winning team cures all ills.

At my alma mater (WTAMU, former home of Chaun Thompson, by the way) we had a coach four years ago who had won 1 game in two years. Attendance was about 3,000 on a good day. We brought in a new HC who implemented TTU's spread offense. THREE CONSECUTIVE conference titles, THREE CONSECUTIVE playoff games on national TV, and we haven't lost a game in almost two years. Attendance is now 20,000 a game, so you can imagine the revenue that's being generated from concessions, gate sales, apparrel, sponsorships, etc.

Things change pretty dadgum fast when you're on top of the world. It's easier to get quality players who want to come to a winning team, it's easier to get AND retain quality coaches who don't want to leave a winning team for the risk of being on a bad team elsewhere.

Things just have a funny way of taking care of themselves, Bob, when you produce a winner. There's risk involved. There's an increased cost involved. But, I mean...come on, I think Bob's looking at this from the wrong perspective by sweating the financial details more than he needs to.

Silver Oak
10-09-2008, 09:03 AM
a lot of Houston football fans have short memories to be complaining prematurely, to those folks I have two words....Bud Adams.

dickieb
10-09-2008, 10:39 AM
I think we begin cutting expenses by reducing cheerleaders uniforms.

I think this could work! We would have real sold out games and the seats would be full. It would also give us reason to rewatch the games we get blownout on DVR!

Texecutioner
10-09-2008, 11:32 AM
I'm so sick of hearing folks complaining about Bud Adams in here and trying to compare Mcnair to him. Let it go. Bud Adams is long gone and has been for many years now. He has nothing to do with this city. Stop comparing Mcnair to him and acting like it could be worse with Bud or whatever. Bud's gone and he's moved on, at some point some of you guys should do the same instead of being so obssessed with hating the man and bringing him up all the time.

Mcnair had better get his head out of his ass. He's had a ton of support from fans with not one winning season to reward our efforts at games and our financial support from buying merchandise and tickets. At some point it becomes a slap in the face as a fan when you see your owner do nothing and have such a lack luster approach and a mile long leash on his coaching staff.

Silver Oak
10-09-2008, 11:43 AM
I don't think McNair hasn't succeeded from lack of trying, and if I want to compare Bud to Bob I will, as they're the only two NFL owners this city has had and that bears a comparison Tex.

If you feel Bob isn't trying to field a competitive team, then it is certainly in yor right to not buy tickets, merchandise, etc., and watch the games from your home.

I have been on the receiving end of not having an NFL team to follow in our hometown, and as such, I'm willing to give Mr. McNair more leeway than some less patient fans are.

Double Barrel
10-09-2008, 11:49 AM
This team should be winning games this year. I can't blame the owner for stupid mistakes on the field.

As far as keeping quiet on the Pud Adams hatred...NEVER! :evilb: