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texanskan
10-07-2008, 12:52 PM
Posted this also on clutchfans

Andre Johnson
Eric Winston
Demeco Ryans

3 out of 22 starters that played on elite college programs while in college

talent is there, knowing how to win is not

Tailgate
10-07-2008, 12:53 PM
Or we call coin flips wrong.

DBCooper
10-07-2008, 12:59 PM
The Texans lost on Sunday because they have no confidence. No confidence in a running game. No confidence in their defense.

27-10 with under 5:00 minutes left? Run the damn ball!

Don't turn the ball over.

Don't give Peyton Manning the short field.

Punt if you have to and let your defense stop them with 80 or more yards to go.

This is basic stuff people.

texanskan
10-07-2008, 01:03 PM
The Texans lost on Sunday because they have no confidence. No confidence in a running game. No confidence in their defense.

27-10 with under 5:00 minutes left? Run the damn ball!

Don't turn the ball over.

Don't give Peyton Manning the short field.

Punt if you have to and let your defense stop them with 80 or more yards to go.

This is basic stuff people.

not a reaction thread just a thought about this team in general

DBCooper
10-07-2008, 01:04 PM
not a reaction thread just a thought about this team in general


I know, just adding my opinion.

Tailgate
10-07-2008, 01:04 PM
The Texans lost on Sunday because they have no confidence. No confidence in a running game. No confidence in their defense.

27-10 with under 5:00 minutes left? Run the damn ball!

Don't turn the ball over.

Don't give Peyton Manning the short field.

Punt if you have to and let your defense stop them with 80 or more yards to go.

This is basic stuff people.

The Texans were averaging 4.9 ypc against the Colts on Sunday.

DBCooper
10-07-2008, 01:06 PM
The Texans were averaging 4.9 ypc against the Colts on Sunday.


Really?

I would have stuck with it.

HJam72
10-07-2008, 01:08 PM
Really?

I would have stuck with it.

If they were averaging 2 yds. per carry and losing by 20, he probably would have.

DBCooper
10-07-2008, 01:10 PM
If they were averaging 2 yds. per carry and losing by 20, he probably would have.

lol

Mailman
10-07-2008, 01:12 PM
Really?

I would have stuck with it.

They were also moving the ball successfully with the play action boot, and they'd just run the ball on first and second down for a whopping two yards.

eriadoc
10-07-2008, 01:13 PM
What is the criteria for a close game? Losing by less than 4 points? 5?

Ole Miss Texan
10-07-2008, 01:15 PM
Not sure what you mean when you say 'elite' college programs. I'd hardly call Alabama an elite program when Demeco was on the team. Or maybe is it just large BCS schools that win a lot (not necesarily championship calibre though). There's plenty of other players that played for large/good programs such as Ahman Green from the championship year at Nebraska (Kris Brown too?), Fram Okam on the Texas Nat'l Champ squad, Andre Davis played in the Nat'l Championship while at Virginia Tech, Louisville and West Virginia were highly ranked while Amobi and Slaton were in school. I'm sure there are others. And if I remember correctly, Miami was pretty dissapointing with Larry Coker (from 2003 season on)

With that said, I will agree we need to get more 'winners' in here. I have nothing against small school players, but as a basis think we should be drafting guys from great programs. We need to go where we have found success before too. Demeco, he is and was productive, but didn't necessarily have the measurables of a top 10 pick. Go after the players that you know are football players, those guys that are going to get the job done as best they can. Fred Bennett/Dunta Robinson... let's look at some more South carolina CB's or DB's, if these guys play well on our defense continue scouting there. Virginia Tech/Miami offensive linemen.

I'd really like us to focus on getting solid football players from SEC, Big XII, and ACC football programs. And let's get some guys that have the winning mentality. If we have enough guys that come from a winning background, they're going to stand up together and say, "hey guys... do you think we can try and win around here? Winning is fun, and this isn't really that much fun"

DBCooper
10-07-2008, 01:15 PM
They were also moving the ball successfully with the play action boot, and they'd just run the ball on first and second down for a whopping two yards.

I get it, it's hard to second guess.

But, I would like to see a dominant running game that can pound the ball and move the chains to run out the clock. Seems like the best way to protect the lead and the ball.

Mailman
10-07-2008, 01:16 PM
The Texans lost on Sunday because they have no confidence. No confidence in a running game. No confidence in their defense.

27-10 with under 5:00 minutes left? Run the damn ball!

Don't turn the ball over.

Don't give Peyton Manning the short field.

Punt if you have to and let your defense stop them with 80 or more yards to go.

This is basic stuff people.

The Texans lost because their lack of confidence in themselves caused Sage Rosenfels to try to hurdle three Colts defenders. Basic stuff, guys.

DBCooper
10-07-2008, 01:17 PM
The Texans lost because their lack of confidence in themselves caused Sage Rosenfels to try to hurl three Colts defenders. Basic stuff, guys.

Makes me want to hurl!

Tailgate
10-07-2008, 01:18 PM
I get it, it's hard to second guess.

But, I would like to see a dominant running game that can pound the ball and move the chains to run out the clock. Seems like the best way to protect the lead and the ball.

That bootleg play was one they were perfecting all week they said. It definitely worked too. Kinda hard to predict the helicopter move for a TD the other way. He saw huge daylight, got ultra competitive and went for it. Bad decision.

HJam72
10-07-2008, 01:20 PM
The Texans lost because their lack of confidence in themselves caused Sage Rosenfels to try to hurdle three Colts defenders. Basic stuff, guys.

So, you're going to blame all the other players because Sage cares more about getting that starting position than the team and made some boneheaded decisions on the field? You think it's Mario's fault that Sage pulled that crap? How 'bout Demeco, or Slaton? Yesterday was not a team of players problem--it was one big dufus....and maybe the HC for trusting him.

HOU-TEX
10-07-2008, 01:24 PM
Posted this also on clutchfans

Andre Johnson
Eric Winston
Demeco Ryans

3 out of 22 starters that played on elite college programs while in college

talent is there, knowing how to win is not

Am I the only one who doesn't fully understand the initial post? Eh, I'm having another f-ed up day so who knows.

The way I read it is: We can't win close games because we have 3 talented players from elite schools who don't know how to win?? :thinking:

Hooston Texan
10-07-2008, 01:24 PM
Not sure what you mean when you say 'elite' college programs. I'd hardly call Alabama an elite program when Demeco was on the team. Or maybe is it just large BCS schools that win a lot (not necesarily championship calibre though). There's plenty of other players that played for large/good programs such as Ahman Green from the championship year at Nebraska (Kris Brown too?), Fram Okam on the Texas Nat'l Champ squad, Andre Davis played in the Nat'l Championship while at Virginia Tech, Louisville and West Virginia were highly ranked while Amobi and Slaton were in school. I'm sure there are others. And if I remember correctly, Miami was pretty dissapointing with Larry Coker (from 2003 season on)

With that said, I will agree we need to get more 'winners' in here. I have nothing against small school players, but as a basis think we should be drafting guys from great programs. We need to go where we have found success before too. Demeco, he is and was productive, but didn't necessarily have the measurables of a top 10 pick. Go after the players that you know are football players, those guys that are going to get the job done as best they can. Fred Bennett/Dunta Robinson... let's look at some more South carolina CB's or DB's, if these guys play well on our defense continue scouting there. Virginia Tech/Miami offensive linemen.

I'd really like us to focus on getting solid football players from SEC, Big XII, and ACC football programs. And let's get some guys that have the winning mentality. If we have enough guys that come from a winning background, they're going to stand up together and say, "hey guys... do you think we can try and win around here? Winning is fun, and this isn't really that much fun"

Those are very good points. To that, I would add this: during DeMeco's last three years at Alabama, the Tide posted a 20-17 record. That's not exactly a "winning" program, but (needless to say) we're all thrilled he's on our team.

But there is one additional difficulty to getting winners: throughout the franchise's brief history, the draft has been the only hope we have of getting them. The free agents who care more about winning than salary (in other words, the "winners") won't come here until we are winning.

gwallaia
10-07-2008, 01:25 PM
Jerry Rice played at Mississippi Valley State.
Bret Farve played at Southern Miss.

There are many quality NFL players out there that played in non-BCS conferences and in non-DIV 1 schools.

dickieb
10-07-2008, 01:28 PM
I guess the way things are going - even if we had ran up the middle we propbaly wouldn't have gotten the first down. Then we would have brought out the punt team and the way Pittman has been snapping lately it would have become another Turk in the endzone play and we would have lost anyway. Things just are not going our way!

mexican_texan
10-07-2008, 01:30 PM
Here's the real reason:

QB: Okay, Kyle, what do we run?
KS: Let's throw a 15 yard pattern so we can run a 2 minute drill.
QB: We have the lead
KS: We what? Erm...uh. Gary?
GK: Uh...run it?
KS: Aren't they expecting that?
GK: uh...no?

Mailman
10-07-2008, 01:35 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't fully understand the initial post?

"If only we'd drafted Vince Young."

Double Barrel
10-07-2008, 01:39 PM
The Texans lost because their lack of confidence in themselves caused Sage Rosenfels to try to hurdle three Colts defenders. Basic stuff, guys.

That seems like a stretch to me. The entire team - including Sage - played one of their best games in franchise history up to the point of his turnovers. They were down 10 and scored 27 unanswered points against a team that always dominates us, which in my mind does not reveal a team that lacks confidence.

Sage was trying to be a playmaker at a point in the game that was unwarranted. He should have played smart football and slid while protecting the ball. Keep the clock going and take Indy's last timeout. That is basic stuff, man.

Mailman
10-07-2008, 01:41 PM
I should've amped up the sarcasm a bit.

Double Barrel
10-07-2008, 01:42 PM
I should've amped up the sarcasm a bit.

ahh, you got me. ;)