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Texecutioner
10-06-2008, 10:03 PM
I was eating lunch with a lady today and she brought up the Texans (because she is awsome) and she said that before Sage blew it Schaub looked worried on the sidelines the whole time and actually look relivied when the Texans lost sinceh is job was secure.

Matt Sanchez in 2009 anyone?

I haven't seen Sanchez WOW me with anything brilliant. He hasn't been near what Leinhart was at this point and Leinhart has yet to show his coaches that he is ready to be a starter. Sanchez thus far has just been the HOT NAME at the moment while he is at USC just like Booty was. Let me see Sanchez blow me away with his skill set and abilities before I start to think that he is the guy that this franchise just has to have.

Carr Bombed
10-06-2008, 10:13 PM
Matt Sanchez in 2009 anyone?

Uh how about no...

Just another overrated Trojan, there's a couple of QBs playing in the big 12 I'd take over him.

The1ApplePie
10-06-2008, 10:18 PM
Uh how about no...

Just another overrated Trojan, there's a couple of QBs playing in the big 12 I'd take over him.

Overrated Trojans > overrated Big 12

McCoy isn't an NFL talent so I guess you mean Harrell and Bradford

LonerATO
10-06-2008, 11:15 PM
Overrated Trojans > overrated Big 12

McCoy isn't an NFL talent so I guess you mean Harrell and Bradford
bradford or stafford

Carr Bombed
10-06-2008, 11:26 PM
Overrated Trojans > overrated Big 12

McCoy isn't an NFL talent so I guess you mean Harrell and Bradford

Are you serious LMFAO! "> big twelve" okay pal LOL I mean that Pac10 strikes the fear into the college football world :rolleyes:

P.S.

McCoy is a NFL talent, he has the arm, accuracy, and is very mobile....plus he's a coach's son, so he's got a high football IQ too.

He had one of the best freshman years in the history of the NCAA, had a sophmore slump because his Oline was beat to hell and he spent the entire year running for his life and got injured. Now his Oline is healthy and he's back.

McCoy is putting up better #s than Sanchez without the talent that Sanchez has around him. McCoy's recievers aren't that great (Not NFL talent.....Shipley is a solid smart lunch pale guy) and neither is his running game, McCoy is carrying that offense.

McCoy > than Sanchez......I hate to break that to you, but it's the truth. Honestly can't believe your going to drop the "McCoy isn't an NFL talent" line, then act like Sanchez is a viable option to be the savior of our team.......I mean it kinda defeats your whole argument.

LonerATO
10-06-2008, 11:32 PM
Are you serious LMFAO! > big twelve okay pal LOL I mean that Pac10 strikes the fear into the college football world :rolleyes:

P.S.

McCoy is a NFL talent, he has the arm accuracy and is very mobile....plus he's a coaches son so he's got a high football IQ too.

He had one of the best freshman years in the history of the NCAA, had a sophmore slump because his Oline was beat to hell and he spent the entire year running for his life, now his Oline is healthy and he's back. McCoy is putting up better #s than Sanchez without the talent that Sanchez has around him.

McCoy's recievers aren't that great (Not NFL talent.....Shipley is a solid smart lunchpale guy, but and neither is his running game) McCoy is carrying that offense.

I'm not a UT hater but they have played some cake ass teams so far and I could say that USC has played some cake teams also. UT needs to stop padding players stats with the C-USA and Sun Belt teams. I dont want either guy as it stands now for we should be looking at grabbing someone this year to groom.

The1ApplePie
10-06-2008, 11:37 PM
Are you serious LMFAO! "> big twelve" okay pal LOL I mean that Pac10 strikes the fear into the college football world :rolleyes:

P.S.

McCoy is a NFL talent, he has the arm, accuracy, and is very mobile....plus he's a coach's son, so he's got a high football IQ too.

He had one of the best freshman years in the history of the NCAA, had a sophmore slump because his Oline was beat to hell and he spent the entire year running for his life and got injured. Now his Oline is healthy and he's back. McCoy is putting up better #s than Sanchez without the talent that Sanchez has around him.

McCoy's recievers aren't that great (Not NFL talent.....Shipley is a solid smart lunchpale guy) and neither is his running game, McCoy is carrying that offense.

McCoy > than Sanchez......I hate to break that to you, but it's the truth. Honestly can't believe your going to drop the "McCoy isn't an NFL talent" line, then act like Sanchez is a viable option to be the savior of our team.

McCoy is nothing more than a cheap white version of Vince Young without the leadership ability, clutch play, or charisma.

Sanchez plays with better talent but also plays against better teams. He killed Oregon! Talk McCoy when he isn't padding his stats against the Rice Owls.

Same for Sam Bradford at this point.

It will be interesting to see how either fair against a team with a pulse on Saturday

Sanchez has the mobility, arm, and football IQ to make it big. He is loads better than BJD ever thought about being.

Goldensilence
10-06-2008, 11:41 PM
Overrated Trojans > overrated Big 12

McCoy isn't an NFL talent so I guess you mean Harrell and Bradford


Funny how 3 overrated big 12 teams are higher then your trojans, who should've dropped way lower then they did.USC doesn't even have to play a conference title game and that is assuming they win out to be outright champs.

McCoy might be NFL talent but he'd have to continue to add weight to his frame next year. You forgot to add Heisman front runner Chase Daneil to that list of QBs. Too bad Reesing is too small. Sanchez would really have to impress me to warrant anything more then a look in the third at the earliest.

LonerATO
10-06-2008, 11:45 PM
Funny how 3 overrated big 12 teams are higher then your trojans, who should've dropped way lower then they did.USC doesn't even have to play a conference title game and that is assuming they win out to be outright champs.

McCoy might be NFL talent but he'd have to continue to add weight to his frame next year. You forgot to add Heisman front runner Chase Daneil to that list of QBs. Too bad Reesing is too small. Sanchez would really have to impress me to warrant anything more then a look in the third at the earliest.

chase isnt that much taller then reesing so they both will have the height knock

Second Honeymoon
10-06-2008, 11:48 PM
mccoy doesn't have the arm strength to run anything besides a WC offense and even that may be a stretch.

plus the poor guy has had to play under Greg Davis. it would probably take a couple years of quality NFL coaching before he could even get a sniff. I could see him being an Arena League champion though...maybe with the Dallas Desparadoes?

Carr Bombed
10-06-2008, 11:50 PM
McCoy is nothing more than a cheap white version of Vince Young without the leadership ability, clutch play, or charisma.

Sanchez plays with better talent but also plays against better teams. He killed Oregon! Talk McCoy when he isn't padding his stats against the Rice Owls.

Same for Sam Bradford at this point.

It will be interesting to see how either fair against a team with a pulse on Saturday

Sanchez has the mobility, arm, and football IQ to make it big. He is loads better than BJD ever thought about being.

Calling McCoy a cheap white version of Vince Young has got to be one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard.......the only thing they have in common is they attended the same school, they are two completely different QBs......McCoy will rewrite the Texas passing records by the time he's done there.

What else is funny is how you try to question McCoy's leadership when Sanchez spent most of the night pouting by himself when his team needed him the most against Oregon St. Are you honestly going to call him a leader? Hell McCoy was the one that called him up at the end of the game and told him to "keep your head up, because your team needs you". He must've saw the same thing the entire country saw. If McCoy is QBing that team, they do not lose that game, they find some way to score a damn TD in the first half.

And also, please don't question the talent McCoy, Bradford, or any other big 12 QB is going to face.......they will all face 5x the talent Sanchez will face this year, Oregon aint that good buddy and the sad thing is.....it's probably one of the toughest teams Sanchez will face this season. Another year, another cupcake schedule for USC.

Carr Bombed
10-06-2008, 11:53 PM
mccoy doesn't have the arm strength to run anything besides a WC offense and even that may be a stretch.

We must be watching two different QBs, McCoy has thrown balls across his body from one sideline down the field to the opposite sideline hitting his receiver right between the #s....arm strength is not a weakness of his.

Texecutioner
10-06-2008, 11:58 PM
[QUOTE=The1ApplePie;1017057]McCoy is nothing more than a cheap white version of Vince Young without the leadership ability, clutch play, or charisma.[QUOTE]

This is absolutely absurd. He is very different than VY and the fact that he would be compared to VY in college is one hell of a compliment considering what VY achieved in his last two seasons.

However Cot is a much different QB, and I'll admit that at this point he hasn't played any real defenses yet and this week in Dallas will be a test against the Sooners. Then he'll have to play Missouri as well and we'll see then. I expect Colt to have some pretty big games. He's one hell of a dual threat QB.

LonerATO
10-07-2008, 12:09 AM
UT might face better teams this year but I cant respect what you are saying about how McCoy is better right now since the only team I think they played so far that has any cred is Ark. since they are in a strong SEC. Now that will change once he plays some good big 12 teams. I myself would rather have Bradford or Stafford then anyone else, but I dont see this team taking a qb in the first 3 rds anyways.

YoungTexanFan
10-07-2008, 12:38 AM
chase isnt that much taller then reesing so they both will have the height knock

Daniel has an above average arm, but it's nothing special, i.e: not ala Drew Brees. Daniel and Reesing are both amazing college QBs but sadly neither has much of an NFL future. Troy Smith was a little better as a prospect IMO than either of them are, and I love Reesing.

It pains me greatly to say this, but yall are leaving out a Big 12 QB who will most likely be the 2nd off the board and that is Kansas State's Josh Freeman. He will be an NFL QB even though he plays for K-State (a sin in and of itself) which is a horrible team now with Snyder gone.

Big 12 QB's - NFL potential wise:
1. Sam Bradford
2. Josh Freeman
3. Grahm Harrell
4. Colt McCoy
5. Zac Robinson
6. Chase Daniel
7. Todd Reesing
8. Joe Ganz

The1ApplePie
10-07-2008, 12:41 AM
Of the Big 12 Bradford has to be the best pro prospect. The perfect pocket passer.

LonerATO
10-07-2008, 12:47 AM
Daniel has an above average arm, but it's nothing special, i.e: not ala Drew Brees. Daniel and Reesing are both amazing college QBs but sadly neither has much of an NFL future. Troy Smith was a little better as a prospect IMO than either of them are, and I love Reesing.

It pains me greatly to say this, but yall are leaving out a Big 12 QB who will most likely be the 2nd off the board and that is Kansas State's Josh Freeman. He will be an NFL QB even though he plays for K-State (a sin in and of itself) which is a horrible team now with Snyder gone.

Big 12 QB's - NFL potential wise:
1. Sam Bradford
2. Josh Freeman
3. Grahm Harrell
4. Colt McCoy
5. Zac Robinson
6. Chase Daniel
7. Todd Reesing
8. Joe Ganz

I didnt mention anything about Freeman since I think he should stay till his senior year and not come out now he still needs to work on his mechanics and game play decisions

Carr Bombed
10-07-2008, 01:08 AM
I myself would rather have Bradford or Stafford then anyone else, but I dont see this team taking a qb in the first 3 rds anyways.

I can accept that over Mark Sanchez.......I don't really like that guy at all, really didn't like the way he acted against Oregon St. and the way he sat by himself and pouted.......what's going to happen when his team faces adversity at the next level?

threetoedpete
10-07-2008, 05:09 AM
Overrated Trojans > overrated Big 12

McCoy isn't an NFL talent so I guess you mean Harrell and Bradford

Well neither was Brady when he came out. Big twelve currently has seven guys that I know of who could start for three quarters of the pack ten and SEC teams I've seen so far. McCoy has built his body to match what was required of him this season. He is not a great runner. But he's made himself into a good running QB. I guess you could say he's a no talent. But he just slipped by Criss Simms on the Texas all time pass list. What is he at now...82 % completions ? Heard one of the six ten guys say tonight that they had counted out eleven of his incompletions as plain drops by his wide receivers. So you could have made the argument last year the guy was over rated....anyone who is shoveling that stuff now doesn't know what he is talking about. The kid is on a roll and he has worked very hard to put himself into this position. It's true he isn't gifted athletically as a lot of others. One thing I know for a fact is that you will never ever out work the guy. Some folks in the NFL will take that all day long over the prima donnas. So remind us again what was the name of the last great USC QB who made it in the NFL ?

bah007
10-07-2008, 09:18 AM
Sanchez is way better than Booty. That's all I'm gonna say regarding him.

As far as scheduling, Texas plays who they do because that's what the rest of the conference does. Whine about their schedule when A&M isn't playing Army every year or Tech isn't playing two or three FCS teams every single year. Why would they go play tough non-conference when they play in the second-hardest conference in college football?

As far as McCoy goes. Even if I weren't a Texas fan I would have to respect what he has done. The kid has some serious heart. But, he has average to above average arm strength & he would have to have a cannon at his size to stick in the pros.

The1ApplePie
10-07-2008, 11:03 AM
Well neither was Brady when he came out. Big twelve currently has seven guys that I know of who could start for three quarters of the pack ten and SEC teams I've seen so far. McCoy has built his body to match what was required of him this season. He is not a great runner. But he's made himself into a good running QB. I guess you could say he's a no talent. But he just slipped by Criss Simms on the Texas all time pass list. What is he at now...82 % completions ? Heard one of the six ten guys say tonight that they had counted out eleven of his incompletions as plain drops by his wide receivers. So you could have made the argument last year the guy was over rated....anyone who is shoveling that stuff now doesn't know what he is talking about. The kid is on a roll and he has worked very hard to put himself into this position. It's true he isn't gifted athletically as a lot of others. One thing I know for a fact is that you will never ever out work the guy. Some folks in the NFL will take that all day long over the prima donnas. So remind us again what was the name of the last great USC QB who made it in the NFL ?

Carson Palmer

Name the last great UT QB to make it in the NFL?
The last Big 12 QB?

YoungTexanFan
10-07-2008, 11:19 AM
This is silly. Mark Sanchez is a legit NFL prospect. He is a much better QB and prospect than Booty ever was.

Carr Bombed
10-07-2008, 04:39 PM
I actually don't mind Booty (that kinda sounds funny lol) and thought he was a solid pick, I think he can be a serviceable QB.......good backup.

Something about Sanchez just rubs me the wrong way, I didn't like how on some of the must crucial plays Carroll took the ball out of his hands multiple times in that Oregon St. game, by giving multiple direct snaps to McKnight. I also didn't like how Sanchez just pouted on the sideline for most of the game.

Beware of the QB that's surrounded by NFL talent at just about every skill position......and especially the QB that's surrounded by NFL talent who won't really play any damn defense all year.

Ole Miss Texan
10-07-2008, 04:54 PM
I havn't watched enough to make a comment on Sanchez. But I have watched enough college football, pro football, and Texans football (2 different things at this point. lol) to know that I'm not looking at a QB for the Texans too soon.

I can understand the idea of picking a QB in the middle rounds to groom for a few years. But that ideal guy has to be there this year and I don't know if he will be. Matt Schaub is still on the team for a few mor years and Sage Rosenfels has 1 more year. If we pick a QB early enough as some indicate they want, we probably can't stash him on the PS, so he'll take up a roster spot grooming for a few years. Not a huge problem, esp. if sage leaves in 1 year... BUT that pick could be used on a more pressing matter at another position of arguably more need. A player that could help right away AND be a long term solution.

With Matt Schaub and Sage Rosenfels still on the team: I would like to see us address OG, RB, DE, DT, OLB, FS before Sanchez. Our first three rounds in the draft this year we can find a starting DE, FS, OLB, and/or RB. Take your pick, but I think we can... and they should be able to start right away.

So I'll leave QB talk to y'all cuz I'm not gonna dabble in it.

Ole Miss Texan
10-07-2008, 04:58 PM
Oh and in regards to the conversation over lunch, I'd like to add: I'm sure Schaub was relieved Sage melted down at the end. I'm sure he fealt he was under THAT much pressure of losing his starting job to Sage, enough to basically root for the guy to fail. I'm sure being extremely sick, standing on the sidelines in full pads, in very hot weather after he was just at the hospital 12 hours prior, had nothing to do with any looks on his face. Especially when he was coming off a 300+ yard 3 TD 0 INT game against a division rival Jacksonville. In fact, I'm pretty sure the whole time he was actually thinking of Matt Sanchez and how he hopes he could back that guy up one day. :)

Texecutioner
10-07-2008, 06:08 PM
With Matt Schaub and Sage Rosenfels still on the team: I would like to see us address OG, RB, DE, DT, OLB, FS before Sanchez. Our first three rounds in the draft this year we can find a starting DE, FS, OLB, and/or RB. Take your pick, but I think we can... and they should be able to start right away.

So I'll leave QB talk to y'all cuz I'm not gonna dabble in it.

Damn, that's a lot of positions that could take a few years. :mcnugget:

Not that you're wrong or anything, because we could use upgrades all over the place. You forgot to add CB though, and we probably need about two of those and another WR wouldn't hurt either. However, you have to remember that this is a QB driven league where you either have a good one or you don't. And if you don't then you team will most likely be inconsistent. I don't think either QB is the guy for us long term, so we do need to at least look at those options entering this year's draft unless Shaub plays lights out for the rest of the season. I'm not saying we need a new guy right now, but depending on how well Shaub plays the rest of the season we may need to find one and at least groom him for the future.

Ole Miss Texan
10-07-2008, 06:26 PM
Damn, that's a lot of positions that could take a few years. :mcnugget:

Not that you're wrong or anything, because we could use upgrades all over the place. You forgot to add CB though, and we probably need about two of those and another WR wouldn't hurt either. However, you have to remember that this is a QB driven league where you either have a good one or you don't. And if you don't then you team will most likely be inconsistent. I don't think either QB is the guy for us long term, so we do need to at least look at those options entering this year's draft unless Shaub plays lights out for the rest of the season. I'm not saying we need a new guy right now, but depending on how well Shaub plays the rest of the season we may need to find one and at least groom him for the future.

Your right, that is a lot of positions. And that's how I think about getting yet another QB early. Maybe it was premature to trade for Schaub? I think getting a franchise QB early is like getting a franchise RB early. Neither are going to be successful unless you're offensive line is good. We've improved a lot. But the cost/benefit of getting another QB at this point with what we have is moot. That brings up the point for a QB to groom which I'm in full support of.

However, we're very close to being a good football team that can LEGITIMATELY make the playoffs. I'm in full support of drafting and planning for the future, especiallly when it's grooming/teaching your own players to eventually take over for your starters when they get old. I just think we need to build our team up from the foundation as best as possible first. We did that wrong the first time and I hope we don't do it wrong this time. IF schaub doesn't work out in another 2 years, we will have built the rest of our team up and would have a top 5 defense. our offensive line should be solid with 2 years or more from gibbs and 2 years of playing/practicing. Then you find another RB to plug in and a QB (stop gap if you have to) to manage the game. Easy as that. :) In all seriousness though, if we're talking about drafting Sanchez in the 3rd or 4th round- I suspect we will be able to find a FS or a LB or a RB that will come in to get significant playing time for years to come.

I'm looking at Jevan Snead in 2 years ;)

Texecutioner
10-07-2008, 06:33 PM
I'm looking at Jevan Snead in 2 years ;)

I wouldn't mind that if he continues to improve. Snead is one hell of a talent with a lot of potential. Not a bad idea.