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mexican_texan
10-05-2008, 07:16 PM
I know he had a bad 4th quarter, but he had 3 solid quarters. So bravo.

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TexansLucky13
10-05-2008, 07:19 PM
He played very well until you know when. To me, it just proved one thing.... he is no more than a backup. I wish it weren't so, but that's what I am getting out of this.

P.S. - This thread will be fun to observe.

The1ApplePie
10-05-2008, 07:19 PM
I agree. At least the man showed some balls (the first for any Texans QB). Not much brains though

Hookem Horns
10-05-2008, 07:20 PM
I know he had a bad 4th quarter, but he had 3 solid quarters. So bravo.


Unfortunately the NFL game is 4 quarters.

Sincerely,

Warren Moon

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TxDavid
10-05-2008, 07:23 PM
Sage,

Thanks for circumventing any potential quarterback controversy.

LonerATO
10-05-2008, 07:23 PM
Something tells me we could be looking to draft a QB come this draft since we have Matt "Carr Jr." Schaub and Sage "I think I can make this jump" Rosenfels.

BSofA04
10-05-2008, 07:24 PM
Nothing to be appreciative of for Sage except for one massive headache.

utahmark
10-05-2008, 07:26 PM
The Oilers had 3 solid quarters against the Bills in 93.

more like 2 1/2. think you sage for reminding me who we really are. i was thinking we might be a decent football team there for a min.

Nawzer
10-05-2008, 07:31 PM
He made some questionable throws throughout the game. He also had the ball stripped earlier in the game that Duan Brown recovered and even though it was Brown's fault you know Sage has to protect it better. Andre Johnson made him look good on a couple of his throws. This should end all discussions regarding Sage as a starter.

nero THE zero
10-05-2008, 08:09 PM
He made some questionable throws throughout the game. He also had the ball stripped earlier in the game that Duan Brown recovered and even though it was Brown's fault you know Sage has to protect it better. Andre Johnson made him look good on a couple of his throws. This should end all discussions regarding Sage as a starter.
Yep, more of the same from Sage. If there's one positive thing you can take away from his play today, it's that the "start Sage" crowd will shut up now.

Not worth it for a loss like that though.

Hagar
10-05-2008, 08:13 PM
And I still say he's a better QB the Matt.

Matt threw pick in the first two games and then finally had a good game against the Jags.

Sage fumbled the ball trying to make a play, then threw a pick out of desparation.

Sage's problems can be fixed, I don't know that Matts can.

Ok, go ahead crucify me.

RosenfelsIsMyQB
10-05-2008, 08:14 PM
If there's one positive thing you can take away from his play today, it's that the "start Sage" crowd will shut up now.

Nope, not shutting up. Schaub < Rosenfels

Matt Schaub never even has an opportunity to have a 17 point lead.

TexansLucky13
10-05-2008, 08:14 PM
Someone already updated his Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sage_Rosenfels)....

"Given a chance to start in the Texans home opener on October 5, 2008, Rosenfels played well in leading the Texans to a 17 point lead. However, he then single-handedly lead one of the largest collapses in NFL history, fumbling twice and throwing an interception in the last 4 minutes of the game to lose to the Indianapolis Colts 31-27."

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-05-2008, 08:15 PM
Thanks Sage...




for nothing.

TheIronDuke
10-05-2008, 08:21 PM
Nope, not shutting up. Schaub < Rosenfels

Matt Schaub never even has an opportunity to have a 17 point lead.

Are you freaking kidding me? Sage Rosenfails has proven himself, he's a loser and he takes unnecessary retarded risks. You'll be changing your username soon since Sage will be out of the league in the near future.

LonerATO
10-05-2008, 08:24 PM
Are you freaking kidding me? Sage Rosenfails has proven himself, he's a loser and he takes unnecessary retarded risks. You'll be changing your username soon since Sage will be out of the league in the near future.

That happens as soon as Smith is fired as DC

TheIronDuke
10-05-2008, 08:25 PM
Both can't happen soon enough.

Showtime100
10-05-2008, 08:26 PM
The guy pulls the dumbest stunts I've seen in ages in rapid succession and now I have to appreciate him for it. No, I don't think so.

RosenfelsIsMyQB
10-05-2008, 08:27 PM
Are you freaking kidding me? Sage Rosenfails has proven himself, he's a loser and he takes unnecessary retarded risks.

Why aren't you saying fire Matt Schaub then? Did you already forget about those terrible games he played against Pittsburgh and Tennessee?

drewmar74
10-05-2008, 08:28 PM
The guy pulls the dumbest stunts I've seen in ages in rapid succession and now I have to appreciate him for it. No, I don't think so.

Amen.

MT, no disrespect intended, but **** Sage.

**** him in his goat ***. If he had just not acted like a jack*** we'd be 1-3 right now.

drewmar74
10-05-2008, 08:30 PM
Why aren't you saying fire Matt Schaub then? Did you already forget about those terrible games he played against Pittsburgh and Tennessee?

You can look at those games and say that either:

A) the whole team played badly

or

B) the defense played horribly

or

C) the offense looked like crap


At Pitt, Jax, or Tenn can you say "Wow, great team effort but (insert single player name here) really cost us the game."

RosenfelsIsMyQB
10-05-2008, 08:31 PM
At Pitt, Jax, or Tenn can you say "Wow, great team effort but (insert single player name here) really cost us the game."

Yes I can insert Schaub's name, especially in the Tennessee game.

Jackie Chiles
10-05-2008, 08:32 PM
He won't ever admit it and no one from the organization will say it but Sage put himself above the team when he went for it on the first fumble. Instead of playing it a bit safer and more conservative and being content with a win he tried to make a statement about getting more playing time and it cost us the game and probably a ton of trade value for him in the off-season. Maybe if he was the starter on some other team he wouldn't feel the need to make these plays out of nothing but that was terrible.

Hagar
10-05-2008, 08:33 PM
You'll be changing your username soon since Sage will be out of the league in the near future. Actually, I doubt it. Sage will be a free agent this off season. Expect Minnesota and KC to make a run at him. The only thing Minnesota is missing is a QB. You may be wishing you had Sage back by the end of next season.

Hookem Horns
10-05-2008, 08:33 PM
Yes I can insert Schaub's name, especially in the Tennessee game.

OMG, another Hulk75.

RosenfelsIsMyQB
10-05-2008, 08:35 PM
I'm not saying that what happened today was by any means good. Nor am I saying that Sage is the next Tom Brady. All I'm saying is that he's better than Schaub.

Hagar
10-05-2008, 08:38 PM
He won't ever admit it and no one from the organization will say it but Sage put himself above the team when he went for it on the first fumble. Instead of playing it a bit safer and more conservative and being content with a win he tried to make a statement about getting more playing time and it cost us the game and probably a ton of trade value for him in the off-season. Maybe if he was the starter on some other team he wouldn't feel the need to make these plays out of nothing but that was terrible.While I am a Sage supporter, I'd agree whole heartedly with this statement. Sage went to make a play when a play wasn't required. I'd bet his motivation was more selfish then anyone would admit. If he makes the play, there's a serious QB controversy in Houston now and his free agency value spikes sharply.

After saying that and putting a negative spin on it, I'd have to admit, I would have done the same thing. Go hard or go home.

joedinkle
10-05-2008, 08:43 PM
I know he had a bad 4th quarter, but he had 3 solid quarters. So bravo.

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NO! He is the single most selfish person on this team. Terrell Owens wouldn't have done that ****. Plain and simple, he want's the starting job, and threw away this game trying to get it. To hell with this guy. I could care less if we cut him tomorrow morning. If Kubiak and McNair truly don't like players with character issues, they will cut this waste tomorrow.

sakebomb
10-05-2008, 08:44 PM
Matt - Steelers, Titans, Jaugars
Sage - Colts


There is a little difference in the defenses they played against.

Oh, and Matt's were all on the road.

LonerATO
10-05-2008, 08:45 PM
I'm not saying that what happened today was by any means good. Nor am I saying that Sage is the next Tom Brady. All I'm saying is that he's better than Schaub.

Dude thats great that you think Sage is better but news flash no one cares who starts people only care these days about who wins. Sage starts fine and if Schaub starts also fine I dont give a ******* I want a freaking win not lame a** QB that pulls a Drew Tate

Leahmic223
10-05-2008, 08:47 PM
Yes I can insert Schaub's name, especially in the Tennessee game.

Thing is...EVERYONE played great today. Everyone played about the best they could today...

The Pitt game...the whole team played bad except Mario.

Tenn game...whole team played bad except Slaton

Jags game....offense was good defense was bad

The whole team played great today and one guy just...idk, he says he was trying to get the first down and seal the win or something...yet the win was sealed when we got the onside kick.

TheIronDuke
10-05-2008, 08:52 PM
You may be wishing you had Sage back by the end of next season.

I think I'd rather have my hemorrhoids flair up again than see Sage take us to another heartbreaking loss. I'm completely confused as to why anyone supporting Rosenfails would even attempt to think about posting here after his putrid performance in the 4th quarter. I just don't get it.

Texanmike02
10-05-2008, 08:53 PM
And I still say he's a better QB the Matt.

Matt threw pick in the first two games and then finally had a good game against the Jags.

Sage fumbled the ball trying to make a play, then threw a pick out of desparation.

Sage's problems can be fixed, I don't know that Matts can.

Ok, go ahead crucify me.

I'm not going to crucify you. I will say this. You are blind if you compare Matts games to Sages.


First of all. Top to bottom. The entire team lost the games Matt played in. You can't place the blame on just one person unit or coach. Sage lost this game. Plain and simple. Don't give me that "He put us in a position to win" bs either. He had one job. One priority. And on two consecutive plays that you put the ball in his hands he was careless with it. IF you are going to pull that boneheaded move and jump, you better get both damn hands on the ball..

Next. Most of Schaub's mistakes came trying to rescue his team from some sort of disasterous situation. Being down 2 scores to the steelers, and your defense hasn't stopped them ALL DAY. Sages mistakes (well 2 of the 4, and the most costly two mistakes) came when he was well ahead. In my opinion, that leap, he was putting himself first... trying to "win the game" and look good doing it. There was NO reason to do that. Schaub made mistakes, granted, when the game was out of hand. He didn't necisarliy have hand in getting it there either. Sage was given a game you'd love to have. RBs running all over the place. Defense stopping people. Offense clicking, OL blocking, he had time to throw. He had indy back on their heels. He didn't pull it off.

Schaub has not played "great", but he would be 1-2 if not for the defense and special teams collapsing on him in Jacksonville. Sage is 0-1 after the rest of the team playing a perfect game. Sage was on his feet all day. His receivers were catching the ball.

Even his last pass. Throw that ball away. You have 42 seconds and 2 more downs to go half the field, with two time outs. Don't put a duck up there.




All I know, is this team needs to learn to win yesterday. We have the talent on offense to get the job done.


Mike

RosenfelsIsMyQB
10-05-2008, 08:53 PM
1st fumble was his fault majorly.

2nd fumble was just good D on the other team.

The INT was his fault.

Like I said, I totally blame Sage for this loss, but I still think he's better than Schaub.

Plus you're all judging 3 games of Schaub's where he played poorly in 2. We're taking a smaller sampling of Sage and just making a judgment right there.

gwallaia
10-05-2008, 08:56 PM
Sage is no longer welcome at Reliant Stadium.

mexican_texan
10-05-2008, 08:56 PM
NO! He is the single most selfish person on this team. Terrell Owens wouldn't have done that ****. Plain and simple, he want's the starting job, and threw away this game trying to get it. To hell with this guy. I could care less if we cut him tomorrow morning. If Kubiak and McNair truly don't like players with character issues, they will cut this waste tomorrow.
Selfish? What QB would throw his body into defenders for a few extra yards? I'm not saying he's better than Schaub, but he put forth a valiant effort and played to win. Unfortunately, we should've run-run-run-punt in those last 4 minutes. He was trying to hard to make a play in the 4th quarter and should've played it safe. I didn't expect us to win the game in the first place, even with that lead. Like I said, no lead is safe with ol' Manning at QB.

HoustonFrog
10-05-2008, 08:56 PM
And I still say he's a better QB the Matt.

Matt threw pick in the first two games and then finally had a good game against the Jags.

Sage fumbled the ball trying to make a play, then threw a pick out of desparation.

Sage's problems can be fixed, I don't know that Matts can.

Ok, go ahead crucify me.


So the same type dumb turnovers he made last year and the same problems we had with Schuab before. How is he better?They both have proven nothing but they aren't true starters so far.

RosenfelsIsMyQB
10-05-2008, 08:59 PM
If Sage slides, the clock counts down, and the Texans win, you'd all be on Sage's nuts. Are you all really telling me that not once during this game before the debacle that you were thinking Sage should be the starter?

Hervoyel
10-05-2008, 08:59 PM
There are very good reasons why a team like the Miami Dolphins with all their great post-Marino QB play had no interest in keeping Sage around. He should have been traded for whatever was offered back when he had value. I said it then and it's ten times as true today.

TheIronDuke
10-05-2008, 09:01 PM
1st fumble was his fault majorly.

2nd fumble was just good D on the other team.

The INT was his fault.

Like I said, I totally blame Sage for this loss, but I still think he's better than Schaub.

Plus you're all judging 3 games of Schaub's where he played poorly in 2. We're taking a smaller sampling of Sage and just making a judgment right there.

David Carr himself wouldn't have attempted "The Dive" and I know Schaub wouldn't have either. Rosenfels took fail to a whole new level. After screwing his own team trying some idiotic dive he gets a chance to get us out of our endzone and can't feel the pressure which results in his stupid ass giving up the ball in our territory. F Sage Rosenfails.

Hervoyel
10-05-2008, 09:01 PM
If Sage slides, the clock counts down, and the Texans win, you'd all be on Sage's nuts. Are you all really telling me that not once during this game before the debacle that you were thinking Sage should be the starter?

Oh please, he's not going to slide and everybody here with any kind of a clue knows that. He's Sage friggin Rosenfels and he's about playing within his abilities for only so long and then when he starts to get a little swagger going he's about throwing that interception or fumbling the ball or not running out of bounds when he should (or running out of bounds when he absolutely must), or extending that ball over the first down marker and right into a LB's hands. He gets excited and he gets stupid as all hell and he always has.

This is his entire career in a damn nutshell and if you can't see that then you're a blind man.

If Sage is your QB then you're going to spend a long, long time losing more than you win.

Jackie Chiles
10-05-2008, 09:04 PM
If Sage slides, the clock counts down, and the Texans win, you'd all be on Sage's nuts. Are you all really telling me that not once during this game before the debacle that you were thinking Sage should be the starter?

I thought Sage played a real nice game before that final few minutes but wasn't there a point in the Jacksonville game when you thought "Schaub is going to be alright?" I admit that I was pretty concerned after the first two games of the year for sure and Rosenfels seemed mighty appealing but Kubiak stuck with Schaub and he stepped up. Sage got his chance to make a case today and if he had played it safe at the end of the game maybe we can have this conversation. But alas it wound up being the worst loss in our relatively brief history.

Jackie Chiles
10-05-2008, 09:05 PM
Oh please, he's not going to slide and everybody here with any kind of a clue knows that. He's Sage friggin Rosenfels and he's about playing within his abilities for only so long and then when he starts to get a little swagger going he's about throwing that interception or fumbling the ball or not running out of bounds when he should (or running out of bounds when he absolutely must), or extending that ball over the first down marker and right into a LB's hands. He gets excited and he gets stupid as all hell and he always has.

This is his entire career in a damn nutshell and if you can't see that then you're a blind man.

If Sage is your QB then you're going to spend a long, long time losing more than you win.

That extending to get the first down near the goal line was terrifying. They showed that replay a couple times and I was just slack-jawed like how the hell did we get away with that?

J-Russ
10-05-2008, 09:05 PM
If Sage slides, the clock counts down, and the Texans win, you'd all be on Sage's nuts. Are you all really telling me that not once during this game before the debacle that you were thinking Sage should be the starter?

Sure thing, Hulk18. Whatever you say. Sage is great.





oh wait, I forgot to add :rolleyes:

TheIronDuke
10-05-2008, 09:06 PM
He was trying to hard to make a play in the 4th quarter and should've played it safe.

There was no play that needed to be made at that point. We were kicking the crap out of them. Any QB who isn't retarded would know that the game is over and not to do things that could jeopardize the win.

rollinstone18
10-05-2008, 09:06 PM
I'll show him some appreciation....

:voodoo:

HoustonFrog
10-05-2008, 09:07 PM
If Sage slides, the clock counts down, and the Texans win, you'd all be on Sage's nuts. Are you all really telling me that not once during this game before the debacle that you were thinking Sage should be the starter?

Your forgetting the part where he didn't slide, fumbled twice and threw an int. They all count and we lose as a direct result of it. He isn't starter material just like the other guy may not be. But having a nut swing takes 60 minutes.

This all sounds so familiar.

Showtime100
10-05-2008, 09:09 PM
If Sage slides, the clock counts down, and the Texans win, you'd all be on Sage's nuts. Are you all really telling me that not once during this game before the debacle that you were thinking Sage should be the starter?

Your forgetting the part where he didn't slide, fumbled twice and threw an int. they all count and we loss as a direct result of it. He isn't starter material just like the other guy may not be. But having a nut swing takes 60 minutes.

This all sounds so familiar.

Damn it Frog I was gonna say that!!

LonerATO
10-05-2008, 09:10 PM
Did anyone else see Collinsworth at half time just shake is head in disbelief at how the Texans could lose that game?

Leahmic223
10-05-2008, 09:10 PM
Oh please, he's not going to slide and everybody here with any kind of a clue knows that. He's Sage friggin Rosenfels and he's about playing within his abilities for only so long and then when he starts to get a little swagger going he's about throwing that interception or fumbling the ball or not running out of bounds when he should (or running out of bounds when he absolutely must), or extending that ball over the first down marker and right into a LB's hands. He gets excited and he gets stupid as all hell and he always has.

This is his entire career in a damn nutshell and if you can't see that then you're a blind man.

If Sage is your QB then you're going to spend a long, long time losing more than you win.

Nail on the head.

This isn't anything new with him. He almost gave up the ball stretching for the Endzone and the Colts being oppurtunistic even slapped at that one.

I have no doubt that we could have got this lead with Matt. We saw our offense the week before put up the same number of points but our defense give up more.

This is why Sage is a back-up, it's because he's a gambler and he never wins his money back. He's the guy that gambles...wins a nice amount and instead of walking away with 5x more money than he had going in...he gambles all that away and leaves with nothing.

thegr8fan
10-05-2008, 09:10 PM
I'm too lazy to look it up, but would someone with a better memory than mine please tell me WHEN Schaub ever led the team to a 17 pt. lead in the 4th QTR?

this was a gut tearing loss, no doubt about it.

But THANKS Rosenfels, for at least giving me HOPE that we could beat the Colts. Schaub has NEVER given me any hope to win ANY game, and certainly not a team as offensive oriented as the Colts.

when was that game that Schaub had us up by at least 17 pts again?? :foottap:

mexican_texan
10-05-2008, 09:12 PM
Did anyone else see Collinsworth at half time just shake is head in disbelief at how the Texans could lose that game?
It was more about whether there's a QB controversy.

And I don't know if anyone noticed, but Schaub looked horrible on the sidelines. IF he can play next week, I don't expect a Jax-like performance.

J-Russ
10-05-2008, 09:12 PM
There are very good reasons why a team like the Miami Dolphins with all their great post-Marino QB play had no interest in keeping Sage around. He should have been traded for whatever was offered back when he had value. I said it then and it's ten times as true today.

That extra third would've reel in a DE, S, or O-Line. Now we can just look back and wonder what if.... cause now we won't get **** for him. He cost us the game and cost us whatever value we could've gotten for him. Thanks Sage, you tried to prove you could be a starting QB today and you show, first-hand, how to play like an EPIC FAILURE. Out the league in 2 years, top.

mexican_texan
10-05-2008, 09:12 PM
I'm too lazy to look it up, but would someone with a better memory than mine please tell me WHEN Schaub ever led the team to a 17 pt. lead in the 4th QTR?

this was a gut tearing loss, no doubt about it.

But THANKS Rosenfels, for at least giving me HOPE that we could beat the Colts. Schaub has NEVER given me any hope to win ANY game, and certainly not a team as offensive oriented as the Colts.

when was that game that Schaub had us up by at least 17 pts again?? :foottap:
KC was it?

Hervoyel
10-05-2008, 09:14 PM
I'm too lazy to look it up, but would someone with a better memory than mine please tell me WHEN Schaub ever led the team to a 17 pt. lead in the 4th QTR?

this was a gut tearing loss, no doubt about it.

But THANKS Rosenfels, for at least giving me HOPE that we could beat the Colts. Schaub has NEVER given me any hope to win ANY game, and certainly not a team as offensive oriented as the Colts.

when was that game that Schaub had us up by at least 17 pts again?? :foottap:


To get 17 points up on somebody in the NFL you know very well that your defense has to be holding the other team down. Tell me again how Sage Rosenfels held the Colts offense to 10 points until the fourth quarter please?

The mans decisions today were indefensible. That you are thanking him for anything is just another example of how dysfunction Houston fans are at this point.

Leahmic223
10-05-2008, 09:14 PM
I'm too lazy to look it up, but would someone with a better memory than mine please tell me WHEN Schaub ever led the team to a 17 pt. lead in the 4th QTR?

this was a gut tearing loss, no doubt about it.

But THANKS Rosenfels, for at least giving me HOPE that we could beat the Colts. Schaub has NEVER given me any hope to win ANY game, and certainly not a team as offensive oriented as the Colts.

when was that game that Schaub had us up by at least 17 pts again?? :foottap:

Yeah, Matt has nothing to do with the defense. Like I said, Matt put up about the same number of points against the Jagsbut the Defense gave up more.

The first two weeks we had him getting sacked, and Andre dropping TD passes.

Yea Matt is 0-3, but HE DID NOT lose the Jacksonville game (They pretty much scored everytime) and he did not lose the other 2 games before that.

TheIronDuke
10-05-2008, 09:14 PM
I'm too lazy to look it up, but would someone with a better memory than mine please tell me WHEN Schaub ever led the team to a 17 pt. lead in the 4th QTR?

this was a gut tearing loss, no doubt about it.

But THANKS Rosenfels, for at least giving me HOPE that we could beat the Colts. Schaub has NEVER given me any hope to win ANY game, and certainly not a team as offensive oriented as the Colts.

when was that game that Schaub had us up by at least 17 pts again?? :foottap:

I'm quite sure that Schaub would've had the team in the same position as Rosenfails. However, I've never ever seen any QB make as many mistakes as SR to single-handily cost their team a win.

Thank you Rosenfels indeed.

Second Honeymoon
10-05-2008, 09:17 PM
screw sage and screw the whole damn organization.

there needs to be a house cleaning...i was embarassed to be in that building today. other coaches can help their team find ways to win....we find every way conceivable to lose.

it starts at the top.

can we get a pink soap avatar for FIRE KUBIAK?

Double Barrel
10-05-2008, 09:17 PM
If Sage slides, the clock counts down, and the Texans win, you'd all be on Sage's nuts. Are you all really telling me that not once during this game before the debacle that you were thinking Sage should be the starter?

That is a mighty big IF.

See, the thing is, he didn't slide. Today is now a part of his resume. There is no way to gloss over it by using if's.

J-Russ
10-05-2008, 09:18 PM
screw sage and screw the whole damn organization.

there needs to be a house cleaning...i was embarassed to be in that building today. other coaches can help their team find ways to win....we find every way conceivable to lose.

it starts at the top.

can we get a pink soap avatar for FIRE KUBIAK?

You're probably going to be the only one sportin' it. Go for it.

BattleRedToro
10-05-2008, 09:19 PM
If Sage slides, the clock counts down, and the Texans win, you'd all be on Sage's nuts. Are you all really telling me that not once during this game before the debacle that you were thinking Sage should be the starter?

No not once did I think about that, but I did tell my friend that was watching the game with me, that if the Texans hold on to win this game all we will hear on sports radio is "I told you we should've been starting Sage all year long." Of course this was before Sage set the controls for self-destruct.

Now I don't have to worry about hearing that crap. Just like I don't have to hear about how all Vince does is win.

Sure, Sage was having a decent game before the nuclear meltdown, but he wasn't the reason the team was winning. It was a complete team effort that got them where they were.

Leahmic223
10-05-2008, 09:21 PM
screw sage and screw the whole damn organization.

there needs to be a house cleaning...i was embarassed to be in that building today. other coaches can help their team find ways to win....we find every way conceivable to lose.

it starts at the top.

can we get a pink soap avatar for FIRE KUBIAK?

I'm still wondering what Kubiak did to lose the game...

Run the QB? Because Manning ran the ball instead he just runs out of bounds because he's a smart QB that knows that sometimes...THERE ISN'T A FRIGGEN PLAY to be made.

Yeah i'm disappointed...at Sage. The Team...they played their hearts out, when Faggins is making a play....I mean come on...when Reeves is making a play...everyone STEPPED up today, if Sage never leaps a lot of people would be excited about where the team is headed.

thegr8fan
10-05-2008, 09:21 PM
To get 17 points up on somebody in the NFL you know very well that your defense has to be holding the other team down. Tell me again how Sage Rosenfels held the Colts offense to 10 points until the fourth quarter please?
call it a 'conspiracy theory' but perhaps even the Defense BELIEVED that Sage could win the game, when they DIDN'T believe that Schaub could. And they played like it.

Best Texans defense effort I've seen this year. Perhaps because even they BELIEVED, like I did, that we had a better chance with our BACKUP QB Rosenfels, and not with our other BACKUP QB Schaub.

Best news I heard all day was that Schaub wasn't the starter.

I had hope for a win with Sage. No hope whatsoever with Schaub, IMHO.

Second Honeymoon
10-05-2008, 09:22 PM
You're probably going to be the only one sportin' it. Go for it.

then that is an indictment of our homering fanbase.

the guy is never going to take us anywhere...ever....so why keep the loser around. he is a flatlining loser.

Porky
10-05-2008, 09:39 PM
Apparently it's more important to get a 17 point lead than actually win. How anyone can support this guy at this point is beyond me. He made mistakes today a Juinor High kid shouldn't make. He single handedly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. But that 17 point lead sure was great. Too bad they only actually count the final score. :um:

The1ApplePie
10-05-2008, 09:47 PM
I think its jsut been proven that both Matt and Sage blow, just in different ways.

Matt: Good football IQ, horrible throw accuracy, can't take a hit to save his life and genuinely looks afraid of opposing teams

Sage: Good arm, tough, terrible football IQ and awareness

Both are nothing but overrated career back ups

gwallaia
10-05-2008, 09:58 PM
David Carr just has to be chuckling about all this.

thegr8fan
10-05-2008, 10:02 PM
it's easy to bash Rosenfels for his mistakes. It is even easier to not recognize why everyone is feeling so let down. The reason there is such a violent reaction to this loss is quite easy to understand, actually.

HOPE

No one woke up today, and had any hope of us winning the game against the Colts. No one with any good football sense anyway. Our history didn't support it. Our playing sure didn't support. Our Defense didn't support. And our other backup QB, Schaub, didn't support it, even with a good game against the Jags last week. (final score on that one was a loss also btw Porky) And being down 10-0 before the 1st QTR was even over FOR SURE didn't support it.

But during that game Sage gave us the HOPE that we were going to win. He played well until the end, and the team played well till the end, and raised everyone's HOPE up to believe that we could win.

and then we lost. It isn't that we just lost, most of us expected that before kickoff, IMHO. But we lost AFTER we had raised up high HOPE'S of WINNING that one.

so for that, HOPE, I thank Rosenfels. For a brief moment I had HOPE restored that this team could play on an NFL level.

Something I didn't have with Schaub in at QB. Ever.

As for your final score, remark Porky. Rosenfel's has a better WIN percentage. Not to mention a heck of an effort last year to try and win the Titans game in Houston. That was a heartbreaker also, if I remember correctly. For the very same reason, HIGH HOPE's of an unbelievable comeback WIN.

Schaub has never proven to be better than Sage. Not once. He was given the job.

Leahmic223
10-05-2008, 10:02 PM
David Carr just has to be chuckling about all this.

Addai said he felt kinda bad for us...when your opponent feels bad for you...I mean come on... I wonder if all Houston players on other teams feel bad for us.

texanmojo
10-05-2008, 10:06 PM
1st fumble was his fault majorly.

2nd fumble was just good D on the other team. But he still dropped the ball

The INT was his fault.taking a smaller sampling of Sage and just making a judgment right there.

Sage single handedly LOST this game for this team. We had a 17 point lead with 5 minutes to go...he blew it. He blew it for the team, the fans, and now we are the laughingstock of the NFL.

Can we please bring back Tony Banks...I'm sick of the same old Start Sage crap...

J-Russ
10-05-2008, 10:12 PM
Initially I didn't want to see any replays from this game. But watching this clip made me roflmao.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeNZfUytD2M&eurl=http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=154994&page=4

he really is like a helicopter! From now on I'm going to call Sage Rolafflescopter.

TEXANRED
10-05-2008, 10:13 PM
Yeah Sage!!!! You mostly not sucked for 56 minutes today.

Leahmic223
10-05-2008, 10:14 PM
it's easy to bash Rosenfels for his mistakes. It is even easier to not recognize why everyone is feeling so let down. The reason there is such a violent reaction to this loss is quite easy to understand, actually.

HOPE

No one woke up today, and had any hope of us winning the game against the Colts. No one with any good football sense anyway. Our history didn't support it. Our playing sure didn't support. Our Defense didn't support. And our other backup QB, Schaub, didn't support it, even with a good game against the Jags last week. (final score on that one was a loss also btw Porky) And being down 10-0 before the 1st QTR was even over FOR SURE didn't support it.

But during that game Sage gave us the HOPE that we were going to win. He played well until the end, and the team played well till the end, and raised everyone's HOPE up to believe that we could win.

and then we lost. It isn't that we just lost, most of us expected that before kickoff, IMHO. But we lost AFTER we had raised up high HOPE'S of WINNING that one.

so for that, HOPE, I thank Rosenfels. For a brief moment I had HOPE restored that this team could play on an NFL level.

Something I didn't have with Schaub in at QB. Ever.

As for your final score, remark Porky. Rosenfel's has a better WIN percentage. Not to mention a heck of an effort last year to try and win the Titans game in Houston. That was a heartbreaker also, if I remember correctly. For the very same reason, HIGH HOPE's of an unbelievable comeback WIN.

Schaub has never proven to be better than Sage. Not once. He was given the job.

Actually I did...There were a few people actually even some of the Experts picked us to win. It wasn't because of hope though, it was because the Colts have a bad defense and their offense hasn't been what it has in the past for whatever reason. This was way before Sage was announced starter.

The team came out today and played because they wanted to win.You can watch the post game stuff...they knew how important this win was to save the season. everyone wanted to win that game except Sage. He wanted to get the starting job.

J-Russ
10-05-2008, 10:17 PM
Addai said he felt kinda bad for us...when your opponent feels bad for you...I mean come on... I wonder if all Houston players on other teams feel bad for us.

Yea I bet Vince Young, in his currently mentally retarded stage, is feeling bad for us too.

Leahmic223
10-05-2008, 10:19 PM
Yea I bet Vince Young, in his currently mentally retarded stage, is feeling bad for us too.

Lol. Say what you want about Vince...but no way does he blow a 17pt lead with 4mins to go. That dude just wins games!

mexican_texan
10-05-2008, 10:20 PM
Yea I bet Vince Young, in his currently mentally retarded stage, is feeling bad for us too.
He's still grasping the concept "everyone poops."

LonerATO
10-05-2008, 10:21 PM
Man I love me some rolfcopter

mexican_texan
10-05-2008, 10:43 PM
http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jnbvfgo1.jpg

Here's some cominc relief:
http://planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D1941&usg=AFQjCNEzTKm6gzJQACMCnhnncz4cD_JETg

b0ng
10-05-2008, 10:54 PM
And I still say he's a better QB the Matt.

Matt threw pick in the first two games and then finally had a good game against the Jags.

Sage fumbled the ball trying to make a play, then threw a pick out of desparation.

Sage's problems can be fixed, I don't know that Matts can.

Ok, go ahead crucify me.

I'm not going to crucify you for stating your opinion. . .

But if Schaub was the QB and the defense was coming up big like it was, that game would've been won and stayed won. I know it's easy to say that in hindsight, but I stand by that statement.

texanmojo
10-05-2008, 10:55 PM
HOPE



I hope that I never see Sage in a Texans jersey again. He proved why he was the backup. What a complete bust.

Leahmic223
10-05-2008, 11:09 PM
I'm not going to crucify you for stating your opinion. . .

But if Schaub was the QB and the defense was coming up big like it was, that game would've been won and stayed won. I know it's easy to say that in hindsight, but I stand by that statement.

If the defense made ONE play in the Jags game we'd be 2-2 right now...wow what a thought huh?

ReliantTexan
10-05-2008, 11:31 PM
1st fumble was his fault majorly.

2nd fumble was just good D on the other team.

The INT was his fault.

Like I said, I totally blame Sage for this loss, but I still think he's better than Schaub.

Plus you're all judging 3 games of Schaub's where he played poorly in 2. We're taking a smaller sampling of Sage and just making a judgment right there.First of all. Look a the defenses, both pitt and Tenn have way better Defenses(hardly any Qbs have good games against them) than the Colts, and so does Jacksonville(and Schaub picked them apart). And our defense had the best game of the year today, They were solid until Sage put them in bad field position with turnovers. Our running game was clicking and yet somehow we still didn't come out with a victory because of Sage.

buddyboy
10-05-2008, 11:33 PM
call it a 'conspiracy theory' but perhaps even the Defense BELIEVED that Sage could win the game, when they DIDN'T believe that Schaub could. And they played like it.

Best Texans defense effort I've seen this year. Perhaps because even they BELIEVED, like I did, that we had a better chance with our BACKUP QB Rosenfels, and not with our other BACKUP QB Schaub.

Best news I heard all day was that Schaub wasn't the starter.

I had hope for a win with Sage. No hope whatsoever with Schaub, IMHO.

This is getting mighty close to the "fact" that Vince Young wins games; whether he's on the field or not.

texanskan
10-05-2008, 11:35 PM
this is why he is a career backup

texanskan

Nighthawk
10-06-2008, 12:36 AM
First of all. Top to bottom. The entire team lost the games Matt played in. You can't place the blame on just one person unit or coach. Sage lost this game. Plain and simple. Don't give me that "He put us in a position to win" bs either. He had one job. One priority. And on two consecutive plays that you put the ball in his hands he was careless with it. IF you are going to pull that boneheaded move and jump, you better get both damn hands on the ball..

Next. Most of Schaub's mistakes came trying to rescue his team from some sort of disasterous situation. Being down 2 scores to the steelers, and your defense hasn't stopped them ALL DAY. Sages mistakes (well 2 of the 4, and the most costly two mistakes) came when he was well ahead. In my opinion, that leap, he was putting himself first... trying to "win the game" and look good doing it. There was NO reason to do that. Schaub made mistakes, granted, when the game was out of hand. He didn't necisarliy have hand in getting it there either. Sage was given a game you'd love to have. RBs running all over the place. Defense stopping people. Offense clicking, OL blocking, he had time to throw. He had indy back on their heels. He didn't pull it off.

Schaub has not played "great", but he would be 1-2 if not for the defense and special teams collapsing on him in Jacksonville. Sage is 0-1 after the rest of the team playing a perfect game. Sage was on his feet all day. His receivers were catching the ball.

Even his last pass. Throw that ball away. You have 42 seconds and 2 more downs to go half the field, with two time outs. Don't put a duck up there.
Mike

It's obvious that Sage screwed up. But the truth is that with Schaub we probably wouldn't have been up to start with. Sage pushed the team to a large lead. Schaub wouldn't have, as he didn't in the other three games this year. The reason the first two were "team losses" (as if that makes it better) was that Schaub did not play well enough to raise the team out of the doldrums.

Sage is the guy who always tries harder. Today he had awful luck in the 4th, and bad judgment, too. But before that he did more with his weapons than Schaub ever will. Schaub is mediocre, bland, a true backup. Rosenfels is a guy whose heart is a little bigger than his talent.

And to those idjits who think Rosenfels was jumping because he was selfish and wanted the glory, play 1 game yourself. You want to win. You do anything to win. Sometimes you overestimate your capabilities.

This is a poor team that is poorly coached. We have maybe 1/3 of the talent we need to win. We are not ruthless enough top to bottom, and we don't work hard enough. We'll never get there with this staff and most of these players.

HoustonFrog
10-06-2008, 07:39 AM
The excuses are comical. It's hard not to think that there are trolls afoot.

Porky
10-06-2008, 08:41 AM
it's easy to bash Rosenfels for his mistakes. It is even easier to not recognize why everyone is feeling so let down. The reason there is such a violent reaction to this loss is quite easy to understand, actually.

HOPE

No one woke up today, and had any hope of us winning the game against the Colts. No one with any good football sense anyway. Our history didn't support it. Our playing sure didn't support. Our Defense didn't support. And our other backup QB, Schaub, didn't support it, even with a good game against the Jags last week. (final score on that one was a loss also btw Porky) And being down 10-0 before the 1st QTR was even over FOR SURE didn't support it.

But during that game Sage gave us the HOPE that we were going to win. He played well until the end, and the team played well till the end, and raised everyone's HOPE up to believe that we could win.

and then we lost. It isn't that we just lost, most of us expected that before kickoff, IMHO. But we lost AFTER we had raised up high HOPE'S of WINNING that one.

so for that, HOPE, I thank Rosenfels. For a brief moment I had HOPE restored that this team could play on an NFL level.

Something I didn't have with Schaub in at QB. Ever.

As for your final score, remark Porky. Rosenfel's has a better WIN percentage. Not to mention a heck of an effort last year to try and win the Titans game in Houston. That was a heartbreaker also, if I remember correctly. For the very same reason, HIGH HOPE's of an unbelievable comeback WIN.

Schaub has never proven to be better than Sage. Not once. He was given the job.

Apparently, you forgot Texans 34, Panthers 21. Similar game in many, many respects. The difference was that Schaub didn't single handedly blow the game for the Texans at the end. :devilpig:

mexican_texan
10-06-2008, 08:45 AM
Apparently, you forgot Texans 34, Panthers 21. Similar game in many, many respects. The difference was that Schaub didn't single handedly blow the game for the Texans at the end. :devilpig:
More importantly...it was a team effort. The D-line was at it's peak early last season. Maybe not Mario, but certainly Amobi.

Porky
10-06-2008, 08:48 AM
More importantly...it was a team effort. The D-line was at it's peak early last season. Maybe not Mario, but certainly Amobi.

Right, just as in yesterday. Our D held the Colts to 17 points essentially (not counting the last gimme TD.) That is a winning effort against a high powered offense.

mexican_texan
10-06-2008, 09:13 AM
Right, just as in yesterday. Our D held the Colts to 17 points essentially (not counting the last gimme TD.) That is a winning effort against a high powered offense.
For a second, I was excited Amobi got 1/2 a sack and Bulman rushed well. Then I remembered Jeff Saturday is the only healthy Colts lineman I can name.

Polo
10-06-2008, 09:23 AM
For a second, I was excited Amobi got 1/2 a sack and Bulman rushed well. Then I remembered Jeff Saturday is the only healthy Colts lineman I can name.

Not sure what that has to do with the actual results ?


How many Carolina linemen could you name ?

mexican_texan
10-06-2008, 09:33 AM
Jordan Gross and Ryan Kalil(though I don't think he started last year.) Point is, the Colts have a makeshift line right now.

HOU-TEX
10-06-2008, 09:38 AM
Jordan Gross and Ryan Kalil(though I don't think he started last year.) Point is, the Colts have a makeshift line right now.

Yep. Additionally, you mentioned Saturday as being the only one healthy. He's actually playing injured. IIRC, he tore an mcl or pcl in pre-season.

Polo
10-06-2008, 09:41 AM
Jordan Gross and Ryan Kalil(though I don't think he started last year.) Point is, the Colts have a makeshift line right now.


Again, I'm not sure what that has to do with the actual results...

Our D did well against Carolina, and they did well yesterday against the Colts...

The reasons for them doing well aren't really relevant if we're just discussing reults...

The results are Schaub had a d that played well, So did Rosenfels....

One gave the game away, one didn't....

Not sure what the Colts having a makeshift line has to do with anything...

utahmark
10-06-2008, 09:46 AM
thank you sage for sacrificing your body and doing everything you could to try to get a first down. still doesnt mean it wasnt the dumbest thing ive ever seen.

mexican_texan
10-06-2008, 09:54 AM
Again, I'm not sure what that has to do with the actual results...

Our D did well against Carolina, and they did well yesterday against the Colts...

The reasons for them doing well aren't really relevant if we're just discussing reults...

The results are Schaub had a d that played well, So did Rosenfels....

One gave the game away, one didn't....

Not sure what the Colts having a makeshift line has to do with anything...
You don't? Really? Remember David Carr? How he couldn't do anything with that line? And no, this has nothing to do with the QB's. I'm talking about the Texans' D.

texanhead08
10-06-2008, 09:55 AM
And I still say he's a better QB the Matt.

Matt threw pick in the first two games and then finally had a good game against the Jags.

Sage fumbled the ball trying to make a play, then threw a pick out of desparation.

Sage's problems can be fixed, I don't know that Matts can.

Ok, go ahead crucify me.


Can Sage's problems be fixed seeing he is a 10yr veteran still making retarded plays where Matt is a young qb with less than a seasons worth of games under his belt.There is a reason Sage has never been a starter and retarded turnovers is reason #1. Sage supports always harp on the comeback in the Titan game last year when him throwing all those picks created the Titans huge lead to begin with. Matt is our qb and nothing yesterday changed that fact,but if anything cemented that it was the last 4mins.

Porky
10-06-2008, 09:59 AM
Sage could have had 5 turnovers yesterday, and each one but the last was directly related to his boneheaded play and extremely poor decision making. The guy should never see the light of day again, especially considering the helicopter ride was completely inexcusable.

When is owevershp, FO, and coaching going to start holding people accountable?

bigbrewster2000
10-06-2008, 10:13 AM
You don't? Really? Remember David Carr? How he couldn't do anything with that line? And no, this has nothing to do with the QB's. I'm talking about the Texans' D.

You are not making sense is what you are doing. BTW Ryan Kalil did play in that Carolina game. He gave up the sacks to Okoye. But what does this all have to do with your boy having the biggest melt down in this franchises history?
I loved how in his interview that he actually had to correct him self from saying "we made mistakes" to "I made mistakes" Yeah no kidding you made mistakes Sage, dont try and pawn that off on the rest of the team.

What I saw yesterday was pretty much one of the highest highs followed by the lowest low that I have felt for this team. And it all happened in 2 terrible minutes. This goes for everyone here, there is no chance that this was anyones fault but Sage's. Not Kubes, not Dick, not the defensive players, not Shanny. Simply Sage.

How does anyone not see that playing at home was the difference for the defense playing so well? That had little to nothing to do with who our QB was? Stop pretending that this was anything but Sage's fault.

BTW, I think that it's a disgrace that you want to thank someone for being a loser. I would rather vomit blood than watch the debacle that is Sage ever again.

mexican_texan
10-06-2008, 10:26 AM
You are not making sense is what you are doing. BTW Ryan Kalil did play in that Carolina game. He gave up the sacks to Okoye. But what does this all have to do with your boy having the biggest melt down in this franchises history?
I loved how in his interview that he actually had to correct him self from saying "we made mistakes" to "I made mistakes" Yeah no kidding you made mistakes Sage, dont try and pawn that off on the rest of the team.

What I saw yesterday was pretty much one of the highest highs followed by the lowest low that I have felt for this team. And it all happened in 2 terrible minutes. This goes for everyone here, there is no chance that this was anyones fault but Sage's. Not Kubes, not Dick, not the defensive players, not Shanny. Simply Sage.

How does anyone not see that playing at home was the difference for the defense playing so well? That had little to nothing to do with who our QB was? Stop pretending that this was anything but Sage's fault.

BTW, I think that it's a disgrace that you want to thank someone for being a loser. I would rather vomit blood than watch the debacle that is Sage ever again.
Did I not just say this isn't about Rosenfels?

Polo
10-06-2008, 10:27 AM
Did I not just say this isn't about Rosenfels?


Yeah...

When you said that I just left it alone out of confusion...

TexansSeminole
10-06-2008, 10:41 AM
Kubiak needs to get on his ass for trying to hurdle a Colts defender that late in a football game that we are winning by several possessions. All Kubiak has to say in the PC is that we would be talking about how great of a play it was had he made it. What? We had the football game won and Sage, feeling like he needed to be the single hero in this great game our team played, decided to try and jump over a Colts defender to get a first down. There's no excuse for even attempting that. It's beyond selfish. Sit on the football and punt.

Kubiak should have Rosenfels doing exactly what he tells him to. HE is supposed to be the guy who tells the QB what to do. The speech you give Rosenfels before he goes out to start that drive is simple, "Do not turn the ball over. Be safe with the football." It's very simple. Obviously, Kubiak did not have the guy prepared.

Granted, Sage is the one who messed up, and I put the loss on him, but I do not think it is wrong to think that Kubiak should have his guy more prepared in these situations. I thought Kubiak was supposed to be the QB guru. I am tired of the excuses, he has been nothing of the sort. He has failed with 2 QBs and nearly a 3rd in the 2 1/4 years he has been here. He constantly makes bad coaching and gameplan decisions, constantly.

I'm so tired of the excuses for our players AND our coaches.

Just seems like the Texans ALWAYS choke.

bigbrewster2000
10-06-2008, 10:43 AM
Did I not just say this isn't about Rosenfels?

the whole thread is about sage. What you said in that one single post may not have been.

I just used your post to springboard into what this thread is actually about, and It really has nothing to do with the Defense and everything to do with the QB.

mexican_texan
10-06-2008, 10:45 AM
Ok, well I was having a separate discussion with Porky about the D.

bigbrewster2000
10-06-2008, 10:47 AM
Ok, well I was having a separate discussion with Porky about the D.

I get it now. Just pissed like everyone else.

petedy
10-06-2008, 10:48 AM
Why are some of you bringing up last years Carolina game?This is a new season the team is 0-4 so far and it doesn't look too good for the rest of the season.Listen Matt hasn't played to well except for the last week game because his job was in question.Seeing him standing on the sidelines he didn't seem to sick to me.What will Matt's next injury or illness be?

mexican_texan
10-06-2008, 10:48 AM
I understand. Unlike everyone else, though, I expected a loss in the 3rd quarter. I came to terms with it a lot easier.

Texan_Bill
10-06-2008, 10:50 AM
thank you sage for sacrificing your body and doing everything you could to try to get a first down. still doesnt mean it wasnt the dumbest thing ive ever seen.

http://www.texansbullpen.com/08photogallery/Season/2008-10-05-Colts-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_0866.JPG

http://www.texansbullpen.com/08photogallery/Season/2008-10-05-Colts-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_0867.JPG

http://www.texansbullpen.com/08photogallery/Season/2008-10-05-Colts-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_0868.JPG

http://www.texansbullpen.com/08photogallery/Season/2008-10-05-Colts-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_0869.JPG




*thanks (again) for the great pics again BullPenPhotos*

mexican_texan
10-06-2008, 10:57 AM
http://www.texansbullpen.com/08photogallery/Season/2008-10-05-Colts-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_0866.JPG

http://www.texansbullpen.com/08photogallery/Season/2008-10-05-Colts-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_0867.JPG

http://www.texansbullpen.com/08photogallery/Season/2008-10-05-Colts-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_0868.JPG

http://www.texansbullpen.com/08photogallery/Season/2008-10-05-Colts-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_0869.JPG




*thanks (again) for the great pics again BullPenPhotos*
Are you saying it's all Joel Dreesen's fault?

Mr teX
10-06-2008, 11:05 AM
You've just gotta have more awareness than that, plain & simple, & it seemed like he had none for the last 5 minutes of the game. Everyone knows that ball security is of the utmost importance, especially at that time in the game.

He'd been getting away with it all game when u consider the time he stuck the ball out on the goalline basically telling the defense "come strip me PLEASE!!", the off balance soft lob to AJ in the end zone that AJ snatched out of the air to avert the crisis of a red zone pick, & of course the fumble Brown ended up recovering.

It almost looked like he was trying to blow the game on purpose. I mean come on, You're likely gonna give up one of those a game, usually the bad throw for a pick, but this dude gave up the trifecta of turnovers back to back to back....unreal.

One thing for sure, any talk of this dude being the starter here should be shut down. As many of us here have said HE'S BEEN A BACK UP FOR HIS ENTIRE 10 YEAR CAREER FOR A REASON.

Texan_Bill
10-06-2008, 11:07 AM
Are you saying it's all Joel Dreesen's fault?

LMAO!!! No..... It would have been nice if he could have come up with that ball, though.

BigBull17
10-06-2008, 11:20 AM
Again, I'm not sure what that has to do with the actual results...

Our D did well against Carolina, and they did well yesterday against the Colts...

The reasons for them doing well aren't really relevant if we're just discussing reults...

The results are Schaub had a d that played well, So did Rosenfels....

One gave the game away, one didn't....

Not sure what the Colts having a makeshift line has to do with anything...

Agreed, because there have been times when guys were hurt and we didnt take advantage of it.

Vinny
10-06-2008, 12:42 PM
Kubiak needs to get on his ass for trying to hurdle a Colts defender that late in a football game that we are winning by several possessions. All Kubiak has to say in the PC is that we would be talking about how great of a play it was had he made it. What? no kidding, I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around this.

Mr teX
10-06-2008, 12:46 PM
no kidding, I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around this.

well, it's true though...if he makes that play, those on here pulling for him to start would've been saying "see, that play shows how he willed this team...." or some nonsense like that.

utahmark
10-06-2008, 12:57 PM
Kubiak needs to get on his ass for trying to hurdle a Colts defender that late in a football game that we are winning by several possessions. All Kubiak has to say in the PC is that we would be talking about how great of a play it was had he made it. What? We had the football game won and Sage, feeling like he needed to be the single hero in this great game our team played, decided to try and jump over a Colts defender to get a first down. There's no excuse for even attempting that. It's beyond selfish. Sit on the football and punt.

Kubiak should have Rosenfels doing exactly what he tells him to. HE is supposed to be the guy who tells the QB what to do. The speech you give Rosenfels before he goes out to start that drive is simple, "Do not turn the ball over. Be safe with the football." It's very simple. Obviously, Kubiak did not have the guy prepared.

Granted, Sage is the one who messed up, and I put the loss on him, but I do not think it is wrong to think that Kubiak should have his guy more prepared in these situations. I thought Kubiak was supposed to be the QB guru. I am tired of the excuses, he has been nothing of the sort. He has failed with 2 QBs and nearly a 3rd in the 2 1/4 years he has been here. He constantly makes bad coaching and gameplan decisions, constantly.

I'm so tired of the excuses for our players AND our coaches.

Just seems like the Texans ALWAYS choke.

good post. i didnt know he actually said that. ive been trying to defend kubes and maybe he doesnt really believe that. he could be just protecting his player and sage will get his a$$ chewing behind closed doors. but if thats the way he sees that play then maybe he is just an offensive coordinator and he should leave the coaching to the guys who can enforce thier will on the team.

hes got to know we cant have that type of bonehead play on the field and hes got to make sure the players know that type of play will not be tolerated. if he cant do that then maybe we do need a change.

while i defend his playcalling and everything that happened on the field. that statement boggles my mind.