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Hervoyel
09-28-2008, 08:23 PM
We are at the precipice of another 2005-esque season.

The thing I'm most wondering after 3 weeks of football is whether we intend to keep anyone under 30 points this season.

In our three games we've seen that if our offense sucks we're going to give up 30+ and lose, if our offense is very ordinary we're going to give up 30+ and lose, and now finally if our offense plays well and racks up 27 points without any turnovers or sacks we're going to give up 30+ and lose.

I'm not on a ledge or anything so save your "Oh here come the chicken-little's out to cry about the season being over after 3 games". I can't find enough passion about the Texans to care enough to be crushed by the results today. They are more or less what I expect out of the team every week now. I'm just kind of back in that pattern of wondering how long they're going to let this (our inept defense) go before they do something about it.

I'm wondering if we're going to give up 30 points a game all year long and then get a list of excuses and injuries to explain it and then be looking at 2009 with the same defense talking about "taking it up to the next level" and producing nothing. No sacks, no turnovers, no pressure, no run defense, no pass defense, no containing the QB, no stopping anybody.

This is just embarrassing.

Honoring Earl 34
09-28-2008, 08:29 PM
We are at the precipice of another 2005-esque season.

The thing I'm most wondering after 3 weeks of football is whether we intend to keep anyone under 30 points this season.

In our three games we've seen that if our offense sucks we're going to give up 30+ and lose, if our offense is very ordinary we're going to give up 30+ and lose, and now finally if our offense plays well and racks up 27 points without any turnovers or sacks we're going to give up 30+ and lose.

I'm not on a ledge or anything so save your "Oh here come the chicken-little's out to cry about the season being over after 3 games". I can't find enough passion about the Texans to care enough to be crushed by the results today. They are more or less what I expect out of the team every week now. I'm just kind of back in that pattern of wondering how long they're going to let this (our inept defense) go before they do something about it.

I'm wondering if we're going to give up 30 points a game all year long and then get a list of excuses and injuries to explain it and then be looking at 2009 with the same defense talking about "taking it up to the next level" and producing nothing. No sacks, no turnovers, no pressure, no run defense, no pass defense, no containing the QB, no stopping anybody.

This is just embarrassing.

I thought we played better but my biggest concern by far is that Mario , Demeco , and AJ are sliding with the team .

Norg
09-28-2008, 08:31 PM
There is no way we a a 2-14 team


u saying that we cant beat the Lions fins or Cincy at home ??????

MEGA SWATT
09-28-2008, 08:34 PM
There is no way we a a 2-14 team


u saying that we cant beat the Lions fins or Cincy at home ??????

of course we can.:bat:

Hervoyel
09-28-2008, 08:39 PM
There is no way we a a 2-14 team


u saying that we cant beat the Lions fins or Cincy at home ??????

Now granted we own the fish for some reason that no one can explain but you do understand that we've never beaten Cincinnati or Detroit don't you?

I see no reason to believe that our defense will hold either of those teams under 30 points. I was worried that Smith's unit would finish up around 24-25 in the league again but it's starting to look to me like he has his sights set on 30-32.

Texans Pride
09-28-2008, 08:40 PM
Yep,

What I am most concerned about, is that this team looks exactly like it always has....I haven't seen any progression, esp. on defense.

I've wanted Smith gone since his first year, and would love to see a change made now.

KEYE SUX
09-28-2008, 08:44 PM
There is no way we a a 2-14 team


u saying that we cant beat the Lions fins or Cincy at home ??????

That is 3-13. Not much different. It was killing me when Millen got fired from the Lions and it showed them with the WORST win percentage (WE ARE SECOND)

If we do not win at least 7 games this season will be a failure. I think we could do it but I also thought we would have a 10-6 record at the beginning of the season so what do I know?

BSofA04
09-28-2008, 08:47 PM
I say wait until we have a few home games before we start talking 1st pick in the draft.

TheIronDuke
09-28-2008, 08:49 PM
. I can't find enough passion about the Texans to care enough to be crushed by the results today. They are more or less what I expect out of the team every week now. I'm just kind of back in that pattern of wondering how long they're going to let this (our inept defense) go before they do something about it.

This is exactly how I feel at this point. I root and cheer but at the end we're still at the bottom of the league and we can only hope to beat teams that really suck bad which might turn out to beat us. Who are we to laugh at the Lions, Raiders, and Dolphins? We're in the same boat as them in the rest of the NFL's eyes.

b0ng
09-28-2008, 08:55 PM
To me, I think we beat the Bengals and the Lions due to their QB issues and the fact that they have even less of a defense than we do (both of those teams).

But yeah, if our D doesn't un**** itself soon then we are in serious trouble.

utahmark
09-28-2008, 08:57 PM
well your pretty much just the opposite of me. but one thing is for sure. if your right and im wrong it will be because of the defense. im not sure why some of you cant see improvement in our offense. they look like they should be a top 10 unit this year.

houstonhurricane
09-28-2008, 09:09 PM
We sure as heck better beat Detroit and Cincy at home. The Fish could give us some trouble...

Corrosion
09-28-2008, 09:24 PM
Did Dick Smith really need another thread ? .... Fire the bastard already Gary .... or stay loyal to your guy and suffer the same fate that Dum Capers did. :mcnugget:

CoastalTexan
09-28-2008, 09:26 PM
What is our Defense ranked right now???

Scooter
09-28-2008, 09:34 PM
What is our Defense ranked right now???

we have a defense? :mcnugget:

Runner
09-28-2008, 09:38 PM
Who are we to laugh at the Lions, Raiders, and Dolphins? We're in the same boat as them in the rest of the NFL's eyes.

Very true.

To me, I think we beat the Bengals and the Lions due to their QB issues and the fact that they have even less of a defense than we do (both of those teams).


We sure as heck better beat Detroit and Cincy at home. The Fish could give us some trouble...

It says about the team when fans get excited about playing these teams so they can be proud of a win.

============================

The Texans just lost to a 1-2* team after the offense "finally played like they are capable". Pardon me if I'm not celebrating right now.

I know, they are now 2-2. Very exciting.

Texecutioner
09-28-2008, 09:56 PM
well your pretty much just the opposite of me. but one thing is for sure. if your right and im wrong it will be because of the defense. im not sure why some of you cant see improvement in our offense. they look like they should be a top 10 unit this year.

They look like they should be a top ten unit this year?? :thinking:

Because they came close to beating a team hampered with injuries that has been struggling and is 1-3 now but still lost? I guess you're just disregarding the first two games because they weren't what you wanted to see.

There is not one team in the league that is worried about this offense right now. Not one. They finally improved this week, but they have a ton of work to do.

beerlover
09-28-2008, 09:57 PM
the Texans suck, oops thought thats what you where going to spew :baby:

Kubiak & staff blew another opportunity, take the penalty @ the beginning of the game, defense looked good, instead they declined & Del Rio hustled his offense going for it on 4th down breaking down a confused special teams unit thinking it was a punt. WHERES THE FREAKEN TIMEOUT KUBIAK!!!!!

other than that one play the Texans would have beaten the Jaguars. I really don't understand how they can be in such a funk everygame & cost their team important early points, its disturbing, ill prepared & mind bending :drunk:

Vinnie
09-28-2008, 10:17 PM
well your pretty much just the opposite of me. but one thing is for sure. if your right and im wrong it will be because of the defense. im not sure why some of you cant see improvement in our offense. they look like they should be a top 10 unit this year.

You forgot something--->:sarcasm:

utahmark
09-28-2008, 10:40 PM
They look like they should be a top ten unit this year?? :thinking:

Because they came close to beating a team hampered with injuries that has been struggling and is 1-3 now but still lost? I guess you're just disregarding the first two games because they weren't what you wanted to see.

There is not one team in the league that is worried about this offense right now. Not one. They finally improved this week, but they have a ton of work to do.

when you look at how the offense is playing you usually dont look at the whether we won or not. you look at how the offense played. that seems simple to me, whatever. i think we scored everytime we touched the ball in the second half. im not sure you can look much better than scoring everytime you touch the ball. but by your logic the defense played so poorly that our offense is bad.

against tenn we moved the ball well against a real good defense just could'nt quite get it in. even against pitt we were moving the ball a little the defense just couldnt ever get us the ball. and we are talking about 3 of the best defenses in the league. these teams usually shut down everyone.

Vinnie
09-28-2008, 10:50 PM
against tenn we moved the ball well against a real good defense just could'nt quite get it in.

I found the solution to our red zone woes!!
http://www.viagra.com/images/viagra_logo.gif

This will be the third season we've had that problem, I don't see it improving, even with Slaton running the way he is. Top ten teams get it done in the red zone. Prove me wrong Texans please!

dtran04
09-28-2008, 11:25 PM
Believe it or not, the Texans were actually one of the better teams at scoring in the red zone last year. Fourth in getting TD's according to PFW.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL+Statistics/Inside+the+Red+Zone/2007/finalredzn.htm

Goldensilence
09-28-2008, 11:58 PM
We are at the precipice of another 2005-esque season.

The thing I'm most wondering after 3 weeks of football is whether we intend to keep anyone under 30 points this season.

In our three games we've seen that if our offense sucks we're going to give up 30+ and lose, if our offense is very ordinary we're going to give up 30+ and lose, and now finally if our offense plays well and racks up 27 points without any turnovers or sacks we're going to give up 30+ and lose.

I'm not on a ledge or anything so save your "Oh here come the chicken-little's out to cry about the season being over after 3 games". I can't find enough passion about the Texans to care enough to be crushed by the results today. They are more or less what I expect out of the team every week now. I'm just kind of back in that pattern of wondering how long they're going to let this (our inept defense) go before they do something about it.

I'm wondering if we're going to give up 30 points a game all year long and then get a list of excuses and injuries to explain it and then be looking at 2009 with the same defense talking about "taking it up to the next level" and producing nothing. No sacks, no turnovers, no pressure, no run defense, no pass defense, no containing the QB, no stopping anybody.

This is just embarrassing.

I mentioned this in a post a while back too. Question to me is IF we don't win at least 6 games does it cost Kubiak his job?

Anyway we could lure Ron Wolfe out of retirement to be president of Football operations?

Norg
09-29-2008, 12:33 AM
At this point i dont care if teh texans suck LOL

Look at the Kanas city and St louis there just happy they got a team LOL ......

Vinnie
09-29-2008, 12:34 AM
I mentioned this in a post a while back too. Question to me is IF we don't win at least 6 games does it cost Kubiak his job?

Anyway we could lure Ron Wolfe out of retirement to be president of Football operations?

I say no it doesn't cost him his job, and if it does it's on the D. For one, unlike the Capers/Casserly era, he inhereted an extremely broken team, and made marked improvement in the win column every year under his belt he coached. Two, if this season ends up a six game win or less debacle I believe it will rest firmly on this inept defense. Gary was brought in because our offense SUCKED awfully. You can not say they've done a bad job at elevating this teams offense under his reign. It is markedly better. Gary is relying on guys that are supposed to know how to run a defense and they are blowing it big time. There are way too many first round picks on that D line to suck this bad, it boggles the mind.

Corrosion
09-29-2008, 12:39 AM
I say no it doesn't cost him his job, and if it does it's on the D. For one, unlike the Capers/Casserly era, he inhereted an extremely broken team, and made marked improvement in the win column every year under his belt he coached. Two, if this season ends up a six game win or less debacle I believe it will rest firmly on this inept defense. Gary was brought in because our offense SUCKED awfully. You can not say they've done a bad job at elevating this teams offense under his reign. It is markedly better. Gary is relying on guys that are supposed to know how to run a defense and they are blowing it big time. There are way too many first round picks on that D line to suck this bad, it boggles the mind.

I kinda agree with Vinnie . I dont think Kubiak is on the hot seat unless we have a total melt down as in 2-14 type season. I also think the offense is better this year and should only improve with the young guy's getting more experience (Slaton Brown and Co.).

The defense is another story .... They may not have ever been able to generate a pass rush but they have also never been this poor .... at least in my opinion. Its not just us on this board calling for Smiths beheading , its all over talk radio and media ..... I just hope that Gary is smart enough to cut his losses with the guy before it does cost him his job much like Capers lost his because he put too much faith in his guy's.

Marcus
09-29-2008, 02:05 AM
I know the defense sucks. That's a given.

But if any of you actually think there is one smidgeon of a chance that anyone, including Richard Smith, gets fired before the season is over, you got rocks in your head. Anyone worth replacing them now, works for another team. And it just isn't the way it's done in the NFL.

Matt Millen not withstanding.

drewmar74
09-29-2008, 08:53 AM
I know the defense sucks. That's a given.

But if any of you actually think there is one smidgeon of a chance that anyone, including Richard Smith, gets fired before the season is over, you got rocks in your head. Anyone worth replacing them now, works for another team. And it just isn't the way it's done in the NFL.

Matt Millen not withstanding.

Could Frank Bush do any worse? What about Ray-Ray? Think he could handle it for 12 games or so?

Thorn
09-29-2008, 09:00 AM
Another year of losing games we should have won, dumb ass press conferances, coaches and players alike not doing their jobs, and unrealistic expectations from the fans.

With very few exceptions it's been this way for pro football in Houston since the 60s. I had been hoping for something different from the Texans.

HOU-TEX
09-29-2008, 09:06 AM
Was I the only one that knew the game was over after the flip of the coin in OT? :thinking:

These types of losses are worse than the blowouts. I got my blood a boiling so high, I ended up with a headache the remainder of the day. That is, until I choked down about a dozen cold beers.

Second Honeymoon
09-29-2008, 09:09 AM
Linehan just got fired. Hopefully Kubiak follows him out the door.

If Smith is retained for the rest of the year, its obvious that Kubiak isn't about competing much less winning. He can take his aww shucks demeanor and BS answers/excuses in post-game interviews and shove them up his arse.

drewmar74
09-29-2008, 09:14 AM
Was I the only one that knew the game was over after the flip of the coin in OT? :thinking:

No... there were quite a few of us, I'm sure.

I don't think their D could have stopped us. At the same time, I knew our D couldn't stop them....

HOU-TEX
09-29-2008, 09:16 AM
No... there were quite a few of us, I'm sure.

I don't think their D could have stopped us. At the same time, I knew our D couldn't stop them....

Agreed!

beerlover
09-29-2008, 09:23 AM
next up a hungry Colt team coming off a bye week how well does this Texans :d: fare against Peyton Manning & company?

Kubiak: we got to look at film & firgure out how to get pressure on Manning. our run defense looked good but we can't give the Colt offense that much time or they'll pick apart our secondary.....the Colts represent another tough challenge we have to overcome, it just doens't get any easier in this league :shades:

austintexanite
09-29-2008, 09:24 AM
No way we have another season like '05, I think this team has shown a lot more than that team ever did. I know it sucks being 0-3 but we did play all three games on the road against some pretty tough competition.

I'm just frustrated at the lack of pass rush, if we had another DE that could put pressure instead of just Mario I think we win yesterday. I actually thought he had Gerrard a couple of times just a hair too late...if only someone was on the other side who provided some fear.

Thorn
09-29-2008, 09:30 AM
In order for us to hit 500 this year, we have to go 8-5 in our last 13 games. Given the first three games, I don't see it. I really hate to say this, but I see us only winning about 6 or 7 games this year. Kubiac needs to do something to fire up this team or else we are in for another losing season.

HOU-TEX
09-29-2008, 09:30 AM
No way we have another season like '05, I think this team has shown a lot more than that team ever did. I know it sucks being 0-3 but we did play all three games on the road against some pretty tough competition.

I'm just frustrated at the lack of pass rush, if we had another DE that could put pressure instead of just Mario I think we win yesterday. I actually thought he had Gerrard a couple of times just a hair too late...if only someone was on the other side who provided some fear.

I agree on the pass rush, but when it takes 3 quarters to make an adjustment covering the 10 yard quick slant there really isn't much time to rush.

Honestly, you'd think Smith, Hoke or somebody would take notice after the 3rd or 4th time. But no, it took them until the 4th quarter before they started lining the CB's on the inside shoulder of the WR's.

dalemurphy
09-29-2008, 09:34 AM
We are at the precipice of another 2005-esque season.

The thing I'm most wondering after 3 weeks of football is whether we intend to keep anyone under 30 points this season.

In our three games we've seen that if our offense sucks we're going to give up 30+ and lose, if our offense is very ordinary we're going to give up 30+ and lose, and now finally if our offense plays well and racks up 27 points without any turnovers or sacks we're going to give up 30+ and lose.

I'm not on a ledge or anything so save your "Oh here come the chicken-little's out to cry about the season being over after 3 games". I can't find enough passion about the Texans to care enough to be crushed by the results today. They are more or less what I expect out of the team every week now. I'm just kind of back in that pattern of wondering how long they're going to let this (our inept defense) go before they do something about it.

I'm wondering if we're going to give up 30 points a game all year long and then get a list of excuses and injuries to explain it and then be looking at 2009 with the same defense talking about "taking it up to the next level" and producing nothing. No sacks, no turnovers, no pressure, no run defense, no pass defense, no containing the QB, no stopping anybody.

This is just embarrassing.


If we were an 8 or 9 win team before the season, I don't see anything so far that has changed that. We've only lost 3 games that we were fully expecting to lose. I'm very disappointed in our start. However, having suffered through 2005, this team is light year's from that. I still expect 8-9 wins and am looking forward to the Richard Smith firing, which needs to happen this season.

I share your frustration for the lack of improvement. However, I don't see regression either- certainly nothing like 2005.

drewmar74
09-29-2008, 09:35 AM
I really hate to say this, but I see us only winning about 6 or 7 games this year.

Honestly, I think that is being a bit generous.

If the offense can play like they did yesterday, we'll be competitive. If the defense can't do any better than what they did, I guess it won't really matter what the O does. A couple of punts by us and we're sunk. We'll have to score on darn near every posession. That coupled with the lack of a bye week isn't going to be good.

I'm fearful that we're looking at a 3-13 to 5-11 season. That's not be negative based on emotion, that's just resignation to what I feel to be some unfortunate truths.

Malloy
09-29-2008, 09:41 AM
we can't give the Colt offense that much time or they'll pick apart our secondary

No worries Colts, that secondary FELL apart a long time ago :)

cuppacoffee
09-29-2008, 09:46 AM
I know the defense sucks. That's a given.

But if any of you actually think there is one smidgeon of a chance that anyone, including Richard Smith, gets fired before the season is over, you got rocks in your head. Anyone worth replacing them now, works for another team. And it just isn't the way it's done in the NFL.

Matt Millen not withstanding.


The Rams didn't get your memo.

Marcus
09-29-2008, 01:19 PM
I know the defense sucks. That's a given.

But if any of you actually think there is one smidgeon of a chance that anyone, including Richard Smith, gets fired before the season is over, you got rocks in your head. Anyone worth replacing them now, works for another team. And it just isn't the way it's done in the NFL.

Matt Millen not withstanding.

The Rams didn't get your memo.

I stand by what I said. Nobody's getting fired before the end of the season.

I know that when you are a fan of a team that blows chunks, a coach getting fired is the only thing you can dream about, like as if it would really make a difference.

Hervoyel
09-29-2008, 07:55 PM
I know the defense sucks. That's a given.

But if any of you actually think there is one smidgeon of a chance that anyone, including Richard Smith, gets fired before the season is over, you got rocks in your head. Anyone worth replacing them now, works for another team. And it just isn't the way it's done in the NFL.

Matt Millen not withstanding.

You're just wrong on this Marcus. It's done in the NFL on a fairly routine basis and even the Texans have sent an offensive coordinator packing (one who has a Super Bowl ring since leaving I might add). It is not the preferred way to deal with things but it happens somewhere almost every single season.

Teams fire coaches and assistants to make a sacrifice to appease the fans or if one aspect of the team continues to perform very poorly to send a message that this is going to change. They appoint an interim HC, OC, or DC and keep on trucking. The interim guy is either an old hat who can do the job but isn't going to get much consideration for the spot or he's a position coach who they think might be ready to step up. Either way the position doesn't get officially filled until the end of they year. You're right there and I agree, the guys we would want to see running our defense are all employed at the moment.

I think that the odds of a firing actually taking place are very small because the Texans don't like to do this if they can avoid it and that we all know that a firing won't fix anything this year. This is our defense until the end of the season whether we can stomach it or not. To me the worst part of an in-season coordinator firing is that it usually says something ominous about your coaching staff and or front office. It's a sign of a divided or dysfunctional franchise (usually) and I am torn between wanting to see Smith gone and knowing that if they send him packing anytime soon they will be doing so out of desperation and I didn't want to be following another desperate coaching staff leading this team.

Texan Asylum
09-29-2008, 08:35 PM
It's done in the NFL on a fairly routine basis...

Rams Fire Linehan, Turn to Haslett (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AoFl.VmfeEqqXL1G6Ab9pZxDubYF?slug=ap-rams-linehanfired&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Texans_Chick
09-29-2008, 09:01 PM
I mentioned this in a post a while back too. Question to me is IF we don't win at least 6 games does it cost Kubiak his job?

Anyway we could lure Ron Wolfe out of retirement to be president of Football operations?

Ron Wolf has to be close to 70 years old.

I don't see this team as a 2-14 team. This was a very up and down team last year, playing much better at home than on the road. Most of the worst games for Kubiak have been road games.

The beginning of the year truly is a coach killing schedule for a young team, even without Ike.

I think it is too soon to tell.

CloakNNNdagger
09-29-2008, 09:54 PM
the Texans suck, oops thought thats what you where going to spew :baby:

Kubiak & staff blew another opportunity, take the penalty @ the beginning of the game, defense looked good, instead they declined & Del Rio hustled his offense going for it on 4th down breaking down a confused special teams unit thinking it was a punt. WHERES THE FREAKEN TIMEOUT KUBIAK!!!!!



Who's the clown sitting in the booth that didn't make that call either? Was he too busy watching the cheerleaders?.........or just in need of ophthalmalogic assistance? Or maybe, like last week when supposedly not supplied with the instant replay, this week the Jags substituted his communication headset with noise-cancelling headphones and his binoculars with a kaleidoscope.:mcnugget:

beerlover
09-29-2008, 10:22 PM
Who's the clown sitting in the booth that didn't make that call either? Was he too busy watching the cheerleaders?.........or just in need of ophthalmalogic assistance? Or maybe, like last week when supposedly not supplied with the instant replay, this week the Jags substituted his communication headset with noise-cancelling headphones and his binoculars with a kaleidoscope.:mcnugget:

yeah him too :ohsnap: now all teams have to do is hustle up to the line of scrimmage like they're getting over instant replay & Kubiak will have to react just out of fear of blowing another game :challenge

kastofsna
09-29-2008, 10:34 PM
I stand by what I said. Nobody's getting fired before the end of the season.

I know that when you are a fan of a team that blows chunks, a coach getting fired is the only thing you can dream about, like as if it would really make a difference.
a coach getting fired midseason makes a lot more difference than a GM getting fired, which was obviously just an attempt at showing the Lions fans some hope

threetoedpete
09-30-2008, 12:35 AM
There were eleven professional football players watching the Jaguars line up. The only one of them that gets a semi pass was J.J. who was counting heads on our punt return squad. Anyone of them could of stood up and called time out. Now if there were eleven blithering idiots drooling all over themselves on our side you might have a point. But these guys get paid. They line up funny call time out. Football 101. Everybody in the league has stupid pasted to every one of those guys forehead now who was on that squad.

The coaches can't play for them. DC calls for the young DT to shawdow the QB on the goal line, the DT gets there and misses the tackle...

Lots and lots of missed tackles Sunday.

They are not going to keep up third down conversions @ a 75% clip. No way.

Marcus
09-30-2008, 01:09 AM
Rams Fire Linehan, Turn to Haslett (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AoFl.VmfeEqqXL1G6Ab9pZxDubYF?slug=ap-rams-linehanfired&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Yeah, let's do the same thing the Rams are doing.

The Rams fire Linehan, and give the job to Jim Haslett, the DC of a defense that actually has given up more points per game this season than the Texans.

Let's follow their lead, and fire Kubiak, and make Richard Smith the HC.

Yeah, that oughta work out real well.

:gun:

Double Barrel
09-30-2008, 09:57 AM
I agree with Marcus in that I don't see Kubiak firing anyone until the season is over. It's his M.O., the 'honor of my word' and all that jazz (why else would Green still be here?).

I honestly don't know what to think anymore. I cannot have any expectations for this team week to week, and that just blows as a fan. IF we get a win, it is not expected, and our general reaction is "OMG! We won!". But it is not part of a mindset that we expect to win games because we are a winning team. We still get giddy about just getting a win after 7 seasons. I'm sorry, but that mentality is just getting stale.

Hey, but are we having fun?! Because the Texans really, really want us to have fun.

Marcus
09-30-2008, 10:40 AM
Hey, but are we having fun?! Because the Texans really, really want us to have fun.

Well, I'm not a season ticket holder. I just watch the Texans on TV, so I don't have the same perspective as the tailgate crowd.

So, with that said, in all honesty . . . No.

After the Oilers left, and before the Texans came to town, on a Sunday afternoon, I would just put a game on the tube, and thoroughly enjoy the game for what it was. Just a good football game. It was entertainment.

Am I now getting entertained watching a football game. When the Texans aren't playing in the game, yeah. It's not entertainment being frustrated or aggravated.

Oh, I guess that means I'm not a true fan, huh? :rolleyes::blah:

Double Barrel
09-30-2008, 10:47 AM
Well, I'm not a season ticket holder. I just watch the Texans on TV, so I don't have the same perspective as the tailgate crowd.

So, with that said, in all honesty . . . No.

After the Oilers left, and before the Texans came to town, on a Sunday afternoon, I would just put a game on the tube, and thoroughly enjoy the game for what it was. Just a good football game. It was entertainment.

Am I now getting entertained watching a football game. When the Texans aren't playing in the game, yeah. It's not entertainment being frustrated or aggravated.

Oh, I guess that means I'm not a true fan, huh? :rolleyes::blah:

I don't know anything about 'true fan' and all that jazz...but I certainly don't think it has anything to do with buying season tickets.

As far as I'm concerned, if you are still rooting for the Houston Texans after the past 6 seasons, then you are a true fan in my book. Nobody bandwagons a perpetually losing franchise with a current record of 32-67. Only fans that truly care about the team are still tuning in at this point, IMHO.

But, about having fun, the Texans care.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/Picture1.png

You see, it's all about the gameday experience, regardless if they are home or away, regardless if they win or lose. Just.Have.Fun! :smiliedance:

gtexan02
09-30-2008, 10:53 AM
Its sort of sad if you think about it, because really "having fun" watching football is suddenly inexcusably linked to "winning"

We saw a good game, a close game, that went into OT. Both teams had good offensive games.

And yet, since they lost, everyone forgets that what this is really about. Entertainment.

Win or lose, I'm still me on Monday. My stocks still fell in the crash. My house payment is still due tomorrow. Sports are supposed to be fun. if the Texans were playing just awful football, like the Rams, its no longer fun to watch. But yesterdays game was "fun" So we should be happy

spurstexanstros
09-30-2008, 10:59 AM
I don't know anything about 'true fan' and all that jazz...but I certainly don't think it has anything to do with buying season tickets.

As far as I'm concerned, if you are still rooting for the Houston Texans after the past 6 seasons, then you are a true fan in my book. Nobody bandwagons a perpetually losing franchise with a current record of 32-67. Only fans that truly care about the team are still tuning in at this point, IMHO.

But, about having fun, the Texans care.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/Picture1.png

You see, it's all about the gameday experience, regardless if they are home or away, regardless if they win or lose. Just.Have.Fun! :smiliedance:

Speaking as a "true fan" as you described, I am currently pondering what was more painful. The constant choking the oilers did to me as a kid, the Oilers leaving, or getting hopes up and then punched in the gut 6 out of the last 7 years.

I guess loosing a team tops the list. I am still here but I am questioning my sanity. I have to be crazy to keep believing, but yet I will.

Yesterday I felt a huge surge of euphoria when seeing Tim Duncan on tv and I realized I still have my Spurs, a team I can count on. I just wish it was the Texans as well.

HoustonFrog
09-30-2008, 11:06 AM
I agree with Marcus in that I don't see Kubiak firing anyone until the season is over. It's his M.O., the 'honor of my word' and all that jazz (why else would Green still be here?).

I honestly don't know what to think anymore. I cannot have any expectations for this team week to week, and that just blows as a fan. IF we get a win, it is not expected, and our general reaction is "OMG! We won!". But it is not part of a mindset that we expect to win games because we are a winning team. We still get giddy about just getting a win after 7 seasons. I'm sorry, but that mentality is just getting stale.

Hey, but are we having fun?! Because the Texans really, really want us to have fun.

DB, that is my mentality of a new Texan fan. I never got into them after Year 1 because I was a Dallas fan and I never got into Carr's act after Year 1. I could see the writing on the wall. But each year I see the same offseason talk. I see the same talk about what positions need upgrading. I hear the same .500 talk while other teams go from worst to first. The mentality of sticking with what doesn't work and the same results just becomes almost sad but comical because it is like Groundhog season.

RipTraxx
09-30-2008, 12:03 PM
Yep,

What I am most concerned about, is that this team looks exactly like it always has....I haven't seen any progression, esp. on defense.

I've wanted Smith gone since his first year, and would love to see a change made now.

Same here. It was his 3rd team in 4yrs something like that. The problem is where could we find someone willing to come here.

GP
09-30-2008, 02:47 PM
I agree with Marcus in that I don't see Kubiak firing anyone until the season is over. It's his M.O., the 'honor of my word' and all that jazz (why else would Green still be here?).

I honestly don't know what to think anymore. I cannot have any expectations for this team week to week, and that just blows as a fan. IF we get a win, it is not expected, and our general reaction is "OMG! We won!". But it is not part of a mindset that we expect to win games because we are a winning team. We still get giddy about just getting a win after 7 seasons. I'm sorry, but that mentality is just getting stale.

Hey, but are we having fun?! Because the Texans really, really want us to have fun.

In the Jack Pardee & Buddy Ryan era, I'd tune in to the game..it was on NBC at the time, and was on EVERY Sunday no matter what, and I had this feeling that we were going to be "in" every game we played. Didn't matter if it was the Bills. Hey, remember how we smacked around the Bills in one of the last regular season games, in the Dome, of the season when we lost vs. the Bills in the playoffs? I think we even put Jim Kelly out of the game, which is why Reich was playing in the first place. We were dominant for a period of time.

I tuned in with the attitude that we had the talent to get it done. The defense was nasty (Sean Jones, Childress, hard-core LBs and DBs), the offense was basically Texas Tech's spread offense, and my mindset on Sundays was that if we didn't win in the PLAYOFFS this year...it'd be the next year, or the year after that. And then Bud Adams kidnapped our team, and the whole thing spiraled downward.

It's not like we've NEVER had a Houston football team that COULD compete on every Sunday. We did.

Which makes watching this stuff utterly impossible sometimes.

It's possible, but why isn't it happening? Why is there not even the SMALLEST ray of light that says, "You know what? We're almost there!"

A fan just knows when it's there and when it's not. I think all of us know we're nowhere near that level yet. And I don't know that we get there anytime soon. I hate glacial change, in terms of the "slow and steady wins the race..." mentality. There has to be some sliver of proof that the track we're on is going to lead to a win in this marathon that Bob McNair is running.

What is that "sliver of hope" that shows us that thr current regime is going to get us there? Because I don't believe that a simple switch-out at DC is the full answer to the question.

Texecutioner
09-30-2008, 03:18 PM
In the Jack Pardee & Buddy Ryan era, I'd tune in to the game..it was on NBC at the time, and was on EVERY Sunday no matter what, and I had this feeling that we were going to be "in" every game we played. Didn't matter if it was the Bills. Hey, remember how we smacked around the Bills in one of the last regular season games, in the Dome, of the season when we lost vs. the Bills in the playoffs? I think we even put Jim Kelly out of the game, which is why Reich was playing in the first place. We were dominant for a period of time.

I tuned in with the attitude that we had the talent to get it done. The defense was nasty (Sean Jones, Childress, hard-core LBs and DBs), the offense was basically Texas Tech's spread offense, and my mindset on Sundays was that if we didn't win in the PLAYOFFS this year...it'd be the next year, or the year after that. And then Bud Adams kidnapped our team, and the whole thing spiraled downward.

It's not like we've NEVER had a Houston football team that COULD compete on every Sunday. We did.

Which makes watching this stuff utterly impossible sometimes.

It's possible, but why isn't it happening? Why is there not even the SMALLEST ray of light that says, "You know what? We're almost there!"

A fan just knows when it's there and when it's not. I think all of us know we're nowhere near that level yet. And I don't know that we get there anytime soon. I hate glacial change, in terms of the "slow and steady wins the race..." mentality. There has to be some sliver of proof that the track we're on is going to lead to a win in this marathon that Bob McNair is running.

What is that "sliver of hope" that shows us that thr current regime is going to get us there? Because I don't believe that a simple switch-out at DC is the full answer to the question.

Good post GP. I'm right there with you. I'd hope that Mcnair is at least looking around at other possible coaching candidates quietly to see who is out there or what possible changes could be made. Unfortunately I don't think it is going to happen and we're going to have to live and die under the Kubiak regime for this season and at least one more after this before Mcnair decides to go in another direction. Mcnair is very patient and seems to have all the confidence in the world in Kubiak. Mcnair gave Capers 4 years and I think that he will also give Kubiak at least 4 years as well.

spurstexanstros
09-30-2008, 03:49 PM
In the Jack Pardee & Buddy Ryan era, I'd tune in to the game..it was on NBC at the time, and was on EVERY Sunday no matter what, and I had this feeling that we were going to be "in" every game we played. Didn't matter if it was the Bills. Hey, remember how we smacked around the Bills in one of the last regular season games, in the Dome, of the season when we lost vs. the Bills in the playoffs? I think we even put Jim Kelly out of the game, which is why Reich was playing in the first place. We were dominant for a period of time.
I tuned in with the attitude that we had the talent to get it done. The defense was nasty (Sean Jones, Childress, hard-core LBs and DBs), the offense was basically Texas Tech's spread offense, and my mindset on Sundays was that if we didn't win in the PLAYOFFS this year...it'd be the next year, or the year after that. And then Bud Adams kidnapped our team, and the whole thing spiraled downward.

It's not like we've NEVER had a Houston football team that COULD compete on every Sunday. We did.

Which makes watching this stuff utterly impossible sometimes.

It's possible, but why isn't it happening? Why is there not even the SMALLEST ray of light that says, "You know what? We're almost there!"


I was praying for that ray on Sunday, and for a brief time 7;34 to 1:00 left in the game part of me said... yes they will make a stop... its our turn.. to another stormy monday after another Texans loss.


that Bills game still hurts. i would say it hurts more than fischer's .4 shot. I cant even watch the game on replay without getting physically sick. I guess it traumatised my young fanhood. .4 didnt hurt as much cause we won the year before and the year after, and then again.

I would go through the Bills game over and over again instead of what we are going through now.

danger6
09-30-2008, 05:39 PM
Win or lose, I'm still me on Monday.

Good point. Give that man a PhD. :thinking:

NBT
09-30-2008, 05:41 PM
They have a DC in waiting in Frank Bush. He was ready last year when we brought him in. Why we are still fussing around with that ***** Dick Smith is beyond me. Somebody above mentioned misplaced loyalty, well that will only get the HC himself into hot water by staying with a dead horse ( and Smith really stinks) too long.

Someone also mentioned that some teams can go from worst to first in one year. The fact that we have been mushing around in the muck for seven years now is really beginning to be a bore.

MEMO TO KUBIAK: Get the message!!!!!

HJam72
09-30-2008, 05:56 PM
MEMO TO KUBIAK: Get the message!!!!!

Comment of the year! :fans: :)

Hervoyel
09-30-2008, 07:46 PM
I said this in another thread and it sums up how I feel these days pretty well

I loved the Oilers. I endure the Texans.

Corrosion
09-30-2008, 07:54 PM
I said this in another thread and it sums up how I feel these days pretty well

I loved the Oilers. I endure the Texans. At least its football.

Fixed that for ya Herv. :mshadows:

cuppacoffee
10-01-2008, 10:02 PM
I know the defense sucks. That's a given.

But if any of you actually think there is one smidgeon of a chance that anyone, including Richard Smith, gets fired before the season is over, you got rocks in your head. Anyone worth replacing them now, works for another team. And it just isn't the way it's done in the NFL.

Matt Millen not withstanding.

I stand by what I said. Nobody's getting fired before the end of the season.

I know that when you are a fan of a team that blows chunks, a coach getting fired is the only thing you can dream about, like as if it would really make a difference.

Al Davis didn't get the memo either. :D

:coffee:

cuppacoffee
10-01-2008, 10:21 PM
I said this in another thread and it sums up how I feel these days pretty well

I loved the Oilers. I endure the Texans.

I have the exact same feelings Herv... I lived and died with the Oilers, but so far I haven't been able to generate the same passion for the Texans..

Maybe it's just a result of my getting older. idonno:

Maybe it's just that I have a finite amount of emotions left and I really don't want to spend them all on the Texans...

I remain a fan of course, :texan:, but whether they lose or win will not be a deciding factor in how I enjoy my day.


:coffee:

The Pencil Neck
10-01-2008, 10:54 PM
I said this in another thread and it sums up how I feel these days pretty well

I loved the Oilers. I endure the Texans.

Actually, for me, it's almost the other way around. The Oilers killed me. Over and over and over again. The back to back 1-13 seasons were really hard. The Hugh Campbell years. The Pardee-too soft to win in the playoff years... all of that was hard for me. The Earl Campbell years were a godsend but even then, always coming up just short was hard.

I love the Texans. I love these guys. I want these guys to turn it around and make it work. I want to see heart and fight from these guys and I want to see a dominant defense and a powerful offense and I think we're almost halfway there. If Sleepy Steve and Alex Gibbs get the running game working, then we're halfway there.

:texan:

Grams
10-02-2008, 06:30 AM
I remain a fan of course, :texan:, but whether they lose or win will not be a deciding factor in how I enjoy my day.


:coffee:

Whether the Texans win or lose should never be a deciding factor in how anyone enjoys a day. It is after all just a game. Just entertainment. Some days good entertainment, some days not so good. But after the game is over, Life still goes on.

I learned a long time ago there are things in this world that you have no control over. There is no reason to come unglued when those things don't go the way you want.

I have been a fan since day 1 of the Texans and will be a fan as long as they (or I) am here. Not much is going to change that.

cuppacoffee
10-02-2008, 12:07 PM
Whether the Texans win or lose should never be a deciding factor in how anyone enjoys a day. It is after all just a game. Just entertainment. Some days good entertainment, some days not so good. But after the game is over, Life still goes on.

I learned a long time ago there are things in this world that you have no control over. There is no reason to come unglued when those things don't go the way you want.

I have been a fan since day 1 of the Texans and will be a fan as long as they (or I) am here. Not much is going to change that.


What you are saying is true Grams. It doesn't change the fact that I find myself feeling, shall we say grumpy for lack of a more descriptive word, after each mediocre perfomance.

If it isn't the players playing lousy it's the coaches taking the day off.

If I can't accept "things I have no control over" then I will be forced to do what I do have control over. Stop watching. I will then be relegated to reading this MB the next day to see what I missed. Reading about it isn't as painful as watching it.

Here's to hoping I can emulate your approach to the team... If not, there is always plan B.

I have been a fan since day one also.. :logo:

:coffee:

Double Barrel
10-02-2008, 12:26 PM
Whether the Texans win or lose should never be a deciding factor in how anyone enjoys a day. It is after all just a game. Just entertainment. Some days good entertainment, some days not so good. But after the game is over, Life still goes on.

I learned a long time ago there are things in this world that you have no control over. There is no reason to come unglued when those things don't go the way you want.

Pre 35-3, I could not comprehend your above point. I lived and breathed the Oilers. Obviously, it was a vicarious relationship, but that's the nature of a sports fanatic.

Post 35-3, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I have been a Texans fans since they first mentioned that Houston was getting a team and I will always be a Texans fan. But, I keep it in perspective. Life is too short to lose happiness because of an entertainment event that you have no control over. I'd rather let my heart be lifted up by my child's smiles and joy instead of wallowing in the mud because our team lost.

When we leave home game losses, the TDC has a ritual of kicking the hard hats. In front of Reliant, we exorcise that losing demon with this routine. Life goes on and we enjoy the rest of the day tailgating.

Hervoyel
10-02-2008, 06:47 PM
Fixed that for ya Herv. :mshadows:

It wasn't broken.

GNTLEWOLF
10-02-2008, 09:36 PM
Whether the Texans win or lose should never be a deciding factor in how anyone enjoys a day. It is after all just a game. Just entertainment. Some days good entertainment, some days not so good. But after the game is over, Life still goes on.

I learned a long time ago there are things in this world that you have no control over. There is no reason to come unglued when those things don't go the way you want.

I have been a fan since day 1 of the Texans and will be a fan as long as they (or I) am here. Not much is going to change that.

I have to agree with you Grams. last wednesday, my wife and I buried our 10 y/o daughter after she was hit by a car while riding her bike. If I could have her back, I would never worry about whether our team ever won or lost another game. It is just entertainment and not life and death.
I am frustrated by season after season of apparent lack of real progress and constant losing, but in the end... what is important is the smiles and life our children give to us and not what happens on a lousy football field. all of you make sure your kids know you love them.

Double Barrel
10-03-2008, 09:51 AM
I have to agree with you Grams. last wednesday, my wife and I buried our 10 y/o daughter after she was hit by a car while riding her bike. If I could have her back, I would never worry about whether our team ever won or lost another game. It is just entertainment and not life and death.
I am frustrated by season after season of apparent lack of real progress and constant losing, but in the end... what is important is the smiles and life our children give to us and not what happens on a lousy football field. all of you make sure your kids know you love them.

I am really sorry for your loss. :(

hobie
10-03-2008, 09:54 AM
I have to agree with you Grams. last wednesday, my wife and I buried our 10 y/o daughter after she was hit by a car while riding her bike. If I could have her back, I would never worry about whether our team ever won or lost another game. It is just entertainment and not life and death.
I am frustrated by season after season of apparent lack of real progress and constant losing, but in the end... what is important is the smiles and life our children give to us and not what happens on a lousy football field. all of you make sure your kids know you love them.

I am so sorry for your loss....everything else is just something that passes the time !!

beerlover
10-03-2008, 10:32 AM
I have to agree with you Grams. last wednesday, my wife and I buried our 10 y/o daughter after she was hit by a car while riding her bike. If I could have her back, I would never worry about whether our team ever won or lost another game. It is just entertainment and not life and death.
I am frustrated by season after season of apparent lack of real progress and constant losing, but in the end... what is important is the smiles and life our children give to us and not what happens on a lousy football field. all of you make sure your kids know you love them.

I've tried to respond to your loss but everytime I choke up, since I lost a daughter myself. it takes time & lots of it. channel into something positive if possible, seek family, friends, post here often & counseling (Bo's place is a great expereince to deal w/loss http://www.bosplace.org/).

Texans fans are very supportive. in regards to the football team its ok to vent from time to time as deemed neccessary, hence I really don't understand how they can be in such a funk everygame & cost their team important early points, its disturbing, ill prepared & mind bending :drunk: I'm hoping the hangover is gone, the fog has cleared, the players play the game & THE COACHES see the game in real time. good results should follow & our spirts will heal :)

infantrycak
10-03-2008, 10:38 AM
I have to agree with you Grams. last wednesday, my wife and I buried our 10 y/o daughter after she was hit by a car while riding her bike. If I could have her back, I would never worry about whether our team ever won or lost another game. It is just entertainment and not life and death.
I am frustrated by season after season of apparent lack of real progress and constant losing, but in the end... what is important is the smiles and life our children give to us and not what happens on a lousy football field. all of you make sure your kids know you love them.

Can't imagine your loss--sorry, and best wishes.

Buffi2
10-03-2008, 11:05 AM
I have to agree with you Grams. last wednesday, my wife and I buried our 10 y/o daughter after she was hit by a car while riding her bike. If I could have her back, I would never worry about whether our team ever won or lost another game. It is just entertainment and not life and death.
I am frustrated by season after season of apparent lack of real progress and constant losing, but in the end... what is important is the smiles and life our children give to us and not what happens on a lousy football field. all of you make sure your kids know you love them.

I am so sorry for your devastating loss. My prayers go out to you.

BigBull17
10-03-2008, 11:17 AM
What is our Defense ranked right now???

33rd, behind OU

Norg
10-03-2008, 11:32 AM
The texans IMO have more passonite fans from the newer Generation born in like 1984-1989

i was just a kid when the oilers where here so i dont remember them alot

tho with that being said there are still alot of Die hard texans fans from any age

DBCooper
10-03-2008, 11:34 AM
33rd, behind OU

funny stuff!

barrett
10-03-2008, 11:39 AM
The texans IMO have more passonite fans from the newer Generation born in like 1984-1989

i was just a kid when the oilers where here so i dont remember them alot

tho with that being said there are still alot of Die hard texans fans from any age

i remember the oilers quite well. i'm 32. i hated them. i live in austin, not houston. i hated the cowboys once Jerry Jones took over. i was a vagabond NFL fanatic for years with nowhere to hang my hat. when the texans came along it was a fresh start, clean slate, blue collar team with the best team name possible they are MY TEAM. and they make me very, very sad.

Malloy
10-03-2008, 12:39 PM
I have to agree with you Grams. last wednesday, my wife and I buried our 10 y/o daughter after she was hit by a car while riding her bike. If I could have her back, I would never worry about whether our team ever won or lost another game. It is just entertainment and not life and death.
I am frustrated by season after season of apparent lack of real progress and constant losing, but in the end... what is important is the smiles and life our children give to us and not what happens on a lousy football field. all of you make sure your kids know you love them.

I am so sorry :I

GP
10-03-2008, 01:14 PM
I have to agree with you Grams. last wednesday, my wife and I buried our 10 y/o daughter after she was hit by a car while riding her bike. If I could have her back, I would never worry about whether our team ever won or lost another game. It is just entertainment and not life and death.
I am frustrated by season after season of apparent lack of real progress and constant losing, but in the end... what is important is the smiles and life our children give to us and not what happens on a lousy football field. all of you make sure your kids know you love them.

I will. Thank you for sharing.

Porky
10-03-2008, 05:21 PM
I can't imagine losing a child. I wish I had one to hold closely too tonight. I'll probably never know a childs love.

My Condolences, Prayers and best wishes to gentlewolf and spouse.