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YoungTexanFan
09-22-2008, 08:01 AM
So, I was thinking about the Texans' offseason last night instead of physiology. I'm going to keep this pretty basic, but I will explain my reasoning and thoughts.

First order of business:
I fire Richard Smith and I tell Kubiak he is on the proverbial "hot seat" for this upcoming season.

Secondly, I fire our head of scouting and player development (the lone holdover from C&C) and I hire extra scouts; focus on the SEC. My professor's son is the Chief Player Scout of the SEC for the Cowboys. Anyway, I focus my attention to that conference and the ACC. We should be able to get some of our area scouts out to see some Texas action.

Next up is FA where I have one focus only: Terrell Suggs. I sign him and put him opposite Mario in a 4-3 base defense. I let Suggs do his thing. I would love to go after Haneysworth, but we can't afford to match what the Falcons are likely to give him, nor should we. I have a solution later.

In the draft, I'm looking to plug some immediate holes. I'm 50/50 on Okam being an NFL starter right now. I tried to keep this as realistic as possible as I have us picking in the 12-16 range next year. I did try to stay as close to BPA as possible as well.

1. Brian Cushing, OLB, USC - He has done it all at USC. He can play the SAM position and has the speed to stay with a H-back/TE. He has the size to disengage and the instincts to be at the ball. He has everything you could possibly want; the only knock is a few injuries. Best LB on the team IMO.

2. Ricky Jean-Francois, DT, LSU, Jr. - Francois is a beast. Plain and simple; BPA. He is a better prospect than Dorsey in terms of what I expect at the next level. Francois is the best DL prospect from LSU, not Tyson Jackson. Francois has great size and really gets off the snap well for his size. He is exceptional at blowing plays up in the backfield. Just witness his bowl game last year. Right now, he is looking like a 2nd rounder though by most accounts.

3. Jonathan Luigs, OC, Arkansas - I think it is a push between him and Mack for best OC in the draft. You can also throw in the Oregon OC into that mix, but I really like Luigs because of his ability to consistently create a hole for RB's. He blocked for some great speed backs and should be able to get those holes open quickly for our young group. Also, I would hope he can help with the formation of a more fundamentally sound pocket for our QB.


Well, that is my quick offseason plan. Have at it.

HJam72
09-22-2008, 09:19 AM
I don't know the players, but I like it. I wouldn't put pressure on Kubes, though; although, I might keep a real interested eye on who he chooses as DC from now on.

I have a theory that football teams do not actually need HCs. They need an OC, a DC, and a STC. The rest could be up to the GM. Kubiak would just be our highly paid OC. All decisions during the game would be made based on what part of the team is on the field, keeping the whole team in mind (or it's your butt).

YoungTexanFan
09-22-2008, 09:39 AM
I don't know the players, but I like it. I wouldn't put pressure on Kubes, though; although, I might keep a real interested eye on who he chooses as DC from now on.

I have a theory that football teams do not actually need HCs. They need an OC, a DC, and a STC. The rest could be up to the GM. Kubiak would just be our highly paid OC. All decisions during the game would be made based on what part of the team is on the field, keeping the whole team in mind (or it's your butt).

I think there needs to be a distinct leader of those coordinators. I think Kubiak should be on a leash, mostly for his coaching staff. We have a 28 year old OC and a proven worthless DC. I'm not knocking on little Shanny because he hasn't had a chance, but I don't think Kubiak is/was in a position to appoint a 28 y/o to run our offense. I think Richard Smith is limited, both in what he can do as well as what he has been given. I think our LB play is really holding us back. They are the part of the front and back 7, either way you want to term it. Everyone thinks we need to fix a particular "7" on defense, but only want to focus on the DL or DB. I want to upgrade our LBs and let Frank Bush rip them a new arse. I still believe that Brown was a reach pick to appease the fans simply from a positional standpoint, regardless of how much BS the FO pumps us. He was clearly not BPA, and clearly not a better OT than the guys available this year. If a lot of crappy teams upgraded their OTs last year, the need for an OT goes down. Most of the crappy teams from last year are back to their old ways again this year. I think we need to work on our interior OL since we can't go OT 2 years in a row with Winston's extension. I really like Duke Robinson from OU. He is a top 10 player overall to me. He is somewhat similar to Brandon Albert last year, but he is bigger and hella meaner. He's got Lenord Davis type size, but Albert type feet. There are early indications and rumors from some of my scouting friends that he has the potential to slide outside to LT. However, the general consensus is that he is an All-Pro virtual lock at OG. If we miss on OLB in the 1st, I'd be jumping up and down to pick The Duke of Robinson.

YoungTexanFan
09-22-2008, 04:19 PM
Nothing else? I know it's early in the season, but c'mon guys and gals. I'm looking for any and all feedback about this or anything I've put out there recently.

HJam72
09-22-2008, 04:22 PM
People don't want to think today. They want to gripe and argue. We're 2 embarrassments to nothing and it's just all gonna be about fire so and so and fire that other guy too.

Having said that, fire Richard Smith! :)

YoungTexanFan
09-22-2008, 04:29 PM
People don't want to think today. They want to gripe and argue. We're 2 embarrassments to nothing and it's just all gonna be about fire so and so and fire that other guy too.

Having said that, fire Richard Smith! :)

While I do agree changes need to be made, college football season is upon us and we are getting into conference games now. This is where some players have separated themselves and deserve a closer look. It's time to get involved with the NFL draft process. I love this time of year. Gripe all yall want, but it's a win-win scouting college football games!!

Ole Miss Texan
09-22-2008, 04:31 PM
My first order of business in the offseason? Hire YTF to help counsel Rick Smith.:hmmm:

I'm a big fan of getting us some all pro guards and hope that the Brown/Winston tandem works out. That would do wonders for our team. I don't think Myers is safe at C, at least from what I've seen. I wonder if he would be better suited at G.

I'm hoping for a pass rushing DE, a stud DT to take blockers off Amobi, Mario and our other pass rusher, an OLB, and a Safety that can Cover. I'm also hoping for a great Guard, possibly a Center, a workhorse to pair with Slaton.

That's still too much to do in one offseason, but I like what you've suggested YTF.

Honoring Earl 34
09-22-2008, 04:50 PM
While I do agree changes need to be made, college football season is upon us and we are getting into conference games now. This is where some players have separated themselves and deserve a closer look. It's time to get involved with the NFL draft process. I love this time of year. Gripe all yall want, but it's a win-win scouting college football games!!

I'd love to line up 325lb guards who can move a pile . If you can find them then maybe the tackles will be fine . I don't watch game film or reruns to see how our guards and center are doing . So I'll ask how is Pitts ... the lone holdover of the time honored tradition of bad offensive line play ... doing ? As my coaches in highschool used to say ... they could'nt knock a sick who@$ off a pi#$#$% pot .

On defense ... if you have undersized LBs they better be alot quicker than our undersized LBs . CC is not tackling very well and Demps is slow . The CBs need help and besides Mario we don't have a DL who's playing well at all .

YoungTexanFan
09-22-2008, 04:56 PM
My first order of business in the offseason? Hire YTF to help counsel Rick Smith.:hmmm:

I'm a big fan of getting us some all pro guards and hope that the Brown/Winston tandem works out. That would do wonders for our team. I don't think Myers is safe at C, at least from what I've seen. I wonder if he would be better suited at G.

I'm hoping for a pass rushing DE, a stud DT to take blockers off Amobi, Mario and our other pass rusher, an OLB, and a Safety that can Cover. I'm also hoping for a great Guard, possibly a Center, a workhorse to pair with Slaton.

That's still too much to do in one offseason, but I like what you've suggested YTF.

I'm working on my degree in Sports Management and am working on securing an internship with the Texans that isn't something like Marketing.

Duke Robinson would be that 325lb OG (335 actually) that you are wanting. I think maybe a Geno Atkins or a Sen'Darik (too lazy to look up spellings) would be a suitable DT to plug in to our line. Maybe even a 385lb juco transfer to 'Bama that I've thrown out there?

YoungTexanFan
09-22-2008, 04:58 PM
On defense ... if you have undersized LBs they better be alot quicker than our undersized LBs . CC is not tackling very well and Demps is slow . The CBs need help and besides Mario we don't have a DL who's playing well at all .

I really want to see Adibi play. I think Blackmon could be a possible WILL, but I really would be pleased to land Cushing from USC to secure the OLB spot for our team.

Jesus, if I ran this team, I'd be trading vets for draft picks all the time and trading those picks for better picks. Within reason of course. I love the draft.

Honoring Earl 34
09-22-2008, 05:12 PM
I really want to see Adibi play. I think Blackmon could be a possible WILL, but I really would be pleased to land Cushing from USC to secure the OLB spot for our team.

Jesus, if I ran this team, I'd be trading vets for draft picks all the time and trading those picks for better picks. Within reason of course. I love the draft.

I think the 2005 draft set us back a couple of years . You'll have to promise to do better .

rollinstone18
09-22-2008, 06:21 PM
Good call on Suggs. I'd also look into Asomugha, the cb in Oakland.

And I'll pass on Cushing. Guy is just hurt too much. If we go OLB, I'd look at Freeman or Sintim. Who knows, maybe we'll be in position to draft Maualuga.

Vinny
09-22-2008, 07:00 PM
I'm working on my degree in Sports Management and am working on securing an internship with the Texans that isn't something like Marketing.

awesome...keep it up and too bad you don't want in marketing, because it means you will have to work for a different team other than the Texans of course. You can't quote me on this personally, but someone in the front office once told me that the Texans are a marketing company with a football division. Don't shoot the messenger. :gun:

YoungTexanFan
09-22-2008, 07:20 PM
awesome...keep it up and too bad you don't want in marketing, because it means you will have to work for a different team other than the Texans of course. You can't quote me on this personally, but someone in the front office once told me that the Texans are a marketing company with a football division. Don't shoot the messenger. :gun:

That is interesting to note. I'm a double major actually with sports management being only one degree. I'm also a business student, management as of now, but I'm thinking about accounting. I'm trying get into the player management/development side of the organization. One of my buddies that I worked out with this summer has a fiance in Ticket Sales or Marketing department.

HJam72
09-22-2008, 07:21 PM
awesome...keep it up and too bad you don't want in marketing, because it means you will have to work for a different team other than the Texans of course. You can't quote me on this personally, but someone in the front office once told me that the Texans are a marketing company with a football division. Don't shoot the messenger. :gun:

Yeah, I feel much better now. :gun:

Vinny
09-22-2008, 07:27 PM
That is interesting to note. I'm a double major actually with sports management being only one degree. I'm also a business student, management as of now, but I'm thinking about accounting. I'm trying get into the player management/development side of the organization. One of my buddies that I worked out with this summer has a fiance in Ticket Sales or Marketing department.I was being a bit sarcastic...but even the people in the FO all seem to think the team is a bit too marketing focused sometimes themselves. It's a good thing they do something well in any case..... I just wish they were better on the field than off.

Go to the .com and apply for an internship (http://texans.teamworkonline.com/teamwork/r.cfm?i=81).

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Honoring Earl 34
09-22-2008, 08:06 PM
I was being a bit sarcastic...but even the people in the FO all seem to think the team is a bit too marketing focused sometimes themselves. It's a good thing they do something well in any case..... I just wish they were better on the field than off.


Oh boy . :gun:

Jerrah does everything under the sun to make his team a Super Bowl champion ... why ... cause he's trying to make his team the biggest sports franchise on the planet . Jerrah loves the limelight like being on HBO , Deion Sanders , Jessica Simpson , TO trying to kill himself , letting us draft Vernon Morency instead of Marion Barber it goes on and on .

What are we trying to do put QBs on BMW billboards . You only have to market a loser in Houston and we're getting wise to that after seven years .

LonerATO
09-22-2008, 09:42 PM
I am glad you posted this stuff because I got pissed yesterday and decided to see who the Texans could get in the off season and Suggs was one of the first names that came to mind. I still like Vance Walker from Georgia Tech as a 3-4 rnd DT

Honoring Earl 34
09-22-2008, 10:19 PM
Here's a Murphy's law scenerio .

Michael Oher is there at ___ when we pick . What do you do ?

LonerATO
09-22-2008, 10:27 PM
Here's a Murphy's law scenerio .

Michael Oher is there at ___ when we pick . What do you do ?

that cat is a top 3 pick period

CoastalTexan
09-22-2008, 10:51 PM
Ok, here's my go at an offseason plan.

Fire Richard Smith and go for Ron Rivera or anyone who has been successful this decade. I'll go with firing the Scouting guy as well, might as well.

Free agent would be OLB Karlos Dansdy and and if we have the money Suggs, or Lee Evans.

Draft would be the Safety William Moore from Mizzou in the first and any interior offensive linemen that Alex Gibbs approves of and any big interior defensive linemen.
(I even considered getting MLB Rey Maualuga and moving Demeco to WLB.)

I think that would fill a few holes we have, but its not complete by far.

J-Russ
09-22-2008, 11:29 PM
Good post.

I agree on trying to get Suggs, probably won't because we know that Kubes and Smith wouldn't spend huge money on big name players.

I do think we need a athletic freak at SLB.

I think we will be fine with Adibi at WLB and Okam/Okoye at DT. Z had some good things to say about Okam yesterday, maybe we should look into having Okam and Johnson start... until Okoye can get back into his groove we saw early last season.

We do need C/RG. Maybe we should forget the whole ZBS with small linemens. Get big, athletic linemen up front.

My draft needs for this year:

1-DE.... Could be QB.
2-FS
3-SLB
4-OG/C
5-RB or OG/C
6-RB or OG/C
7-BPA

oh and good luck on your intern thing. don't forget to give us some inside info if you get a position thats big in the organization. :)

Ole Miss Texan
09-22-2008, 11:47 PM
Here's a Murphy's law scenerio .

Michael Oher is there at ___ when we pick . What do you do ?

easy for me... big mike is the name im writing on the card as im running towards to podium. im not biased though :) but with oher i think we have ourselves a franchise lt and/or an all pro guard. versatility is important as a t/g or a g/c combo. oher is better at pass blocking and run blocking than anyone on our team.

ol mike oher and de michael johnson are my two early favorites for our first rd pick. calais cambell was a top 5 lock at this point last season, so you never know. after that, ytf has me high on george duke robinson for a guard. saw saw highlight clips of him pass and run blocking. he would instantly start over pitts or brisiel. after them i love s william moore. ive committed myself to fixing our trenches and then going after the "skill" positions.

ytf, best of luck with the internship. your very knowledgeable when it comes to college to pro transition. i hope you can get into the scouting/personnel side of the team. if you need any referances, your welcome to list ole miss texan. lol

LonerATO
09-23-2008, 12:03 AM
I feel we still need a either two FS in this next draft or SS/FS in the first three rounds

YoungTexanFan
09-23-2008, 12:28 AM
Here's a Murphy's law scenerio .

Michael Oher is there at ___ when we pick . What do you do ?

Trade the pick because we can't tie that much money into one spot. It sucks having a lesser talent when we have a chance to land a premier talent. I'm still upset with how our FO handled the draft.

LonerATO
09-23-2008, 12:50 AM
I just dont see us that close to getting a pick in the top 5 to get him anyways

threetoedpete
09-23-2008, 04:43 AM
Ok, here's my go at an offseason plan.

Fire Richard Smith and go for Ron Rivera or anyone who has been successful this decade. I'll go with firing the Scouting guy as well, might as well.

Free agent would be OLB Karlos Dansdy and and if we have the money Suggs, or Lee Evans.

Draft would be the Safety William Moore from Mizzou in the first and any interior offensive linemen that Alex Gibbs approves of and any big interior defensive linemen.
(I even considered getting MLB Rey Maualuga and moving Demeco to WLB.)

I think that would fill a few holes we have, but its not complete by far.

They're not going to take a safety in the first round. And William Moore is a marginally better talent than what is being groomed already on the squad. Not twenty five million better than what they already have. How many drafts and how many players do you have to see us pass up to understand....they ain't taking a safety that high.

The only problem I have with Brian Cushing is the nagging injuries. Believing the coach speak....the safeties aren't going anywhere...Demeeco's not going anywhere...They love Dilles...inspite of the egg he laid Sunday, that leaves Will and DE. I liked the center pick with the three....a lot. Myers got owned .
Rather have Ulatoski there but whatever.

I believe they redid Dansby last year....Dansby will cost you picks.

And the front office hit three needs with two picks. They did nothing wrong. Or would you rather watch
Salaam working on Vanden Bosch yesterday. Brown got beat...but he only gave up a sack. One.

threetoedpete
09-23-2008, 05:01 AM
I'm working on my degree in Sports Management and am working on securing an internship with the Texans that isn't something like Marketing.

Duke Robinson would be that 325lb OG (335 actually) that you are wanting. I think maybe a Geno Atkins or a Sen'Darik (too lazy to look up spellings) would be a suitable DT to plug in to our line. Maybe even a 385lb juco transfer to 'Bama that I've thrown out there?

So you've cleared house....Kubiak is gone. Gibbs is gone.... no more ZBS. Now you can draft a 325 lbs guard. One of us doesn't know what he is talking about. light quick lineman. That's it.

beerlover
09-23-2008, 06:48 AM
I like your ideas YTF & good luck pursuing your dreams :)

IMO I agree its at the LB position but not the outside that should be reserved for DeMeco Ryans cause I think he would be just as if not more dynamic applying QB pressure from the outside as well as dropping into coverage or stopping the run. After this adjustment is made (he can still be the leader of the defense) we insert 1st rd. pick Rey Maualuga http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/46/462256.jpg USC all 260 lbs, think Ray Lewis/AJ Hawk with more athletic ability. He is powerful, fast, quick can cover the pass & blow up the pocket in blitz packages. instead of those 5-6 yard muddle through the middle of the defensive line lame runs teams get on the Texans they wind up being only 1 or 2 yards, sometimes a loss, while inflicting a measure of sheer meaness for good measure. Rey would effectively elimanate the middle of the field & thats something that helps the outside linebackers & Mario Williams.

2nd rd. pick Florida State junior Evertte Brown http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/52/528226.jpg

3rd rd. pick Tennseess RB Arian Foster http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/lilblondy226/8db78d47.jpg

thats pretty much the dream for starters but if we really suck the whole year then we'll be in the mix for the premier DE that I've seen in quite some time George Selvie South Florida 6-4 245 http://blog.oregonlive.com/pac10/2007/12/large_Selvie.jpg

YoungTexanFan
09-23-2008, 12:16 PM
So you've cleared house....Kubiak is gone. Gibbs is gone.... no more ZBS. Now you can draft a 325 lbs guard. One of us doesn't know what he is talking about. light quick lineman. That's it.

Let's just slow down before we start misreading too much more. I didn't suggest we "clear house". I said we need to fire the scouting director who is the lone FO holdover from C&C. Gibbs can stay, he is proven. I said Kubiak should be put on the "hot-seat", but I think he and Rick Smith really just need to do a re-evaluation of the coordinators in an attempt to create a true identity for our team.

As far as Duke Robinson, who I suggested in another thread, he is 335 (even bigger) and there is plenty of talk already about him being able to slide outside to LT. His footwork is very good for his size. Watch the clip I attached. He is more than capable of getting to the second zone and he excels at pass-protection due to his arm length and natural strength. I actually think Robinson is the perfect ZBS OG, not just the best OG in the draft.

YoungTexanFan
09-23-2008, 12:24 PM
Beerlover, I'd quote your post but it's too long. I'm not a huge fan of Foster. I love the USC LBs. I realize Cushing has injury issues, but he is just so damn good. He has the size and speed to cover the TEs and H-Backs that slip out. I think Maualuga is an amazing player. I don't think he has the best instincts against the run, but he would be an upgrade to our team. I would be comfortable with Ryans sliding outside as we would take more of the college approach to getting the best group onto the field at all times. I think Ryans' ability to move in space (coverage) would be just fine for OLB, but I think his best attribute at OLB would be his lateral speed and play recognition; I think he would be a monster covering the flats and coming on a WILL blitz. This is what I love about the draft: we can talk about this stuff and be upgrading our entire unit. I would support Maualuga. I'm not a big fan of Foster, and I'd rather go with more of a Michael Bush type back if we are going second day. I unfortunately haven't seen too much of Brown, but I'm not so sure about him yet either from what I've read.

Goldensilence
09-23-2008, 12:53 PM
Fire Richard Smith and go after a guy with experience and a track record of BUILDING a defense. Ron Rivera, Marvin Lewis, Jerry Grey or a remote possibility may be Rob Ryan though I have heard if Kiffin is canned Rob Ryan is the guy in line to get the job to end the year at least.I'd cut off Weaver and Greenwood's contracts. They can restructure and stay, but they'd really have to work their ass off to make the starting lineup. Sign Dunta to a one year deal. It works well for both sides because I don't think he'll be back to full form until next year anyway. Barring Molden majorly stepping it up later this year and looking just flat out amazing in TC Dunta gets the start. Great chance to showcase his talent for a new extended contract with us or someone else.

Agree on the scouting staff needing to be retooled. We should be looking at someone from the Colts Staff IMO they seem to be dead on in the draft and doesn't hurt to get someone under Bill Polian. Few teams, at least IMO, have worked the draft well as the Colts the past few years.

FA I'd look at for this next year either Terrell Suggs like you suggest or Julius Peppers. He hasn't looked as dominant or dynamic the past season but him opposite Mario would be be a great bookend.

Draft I wouldn't mind Cushing but the nagging injuries do bother me. Either way our LBs need some speed and I'm not really opposed to getting LB help.Larinitis is tempting because I think he'd bring some intensity that this defense needs.

Our second rounder is going to be interesting depending on how the off-season progresses. Is Brisiel viable long term at RG? Pitts? Does Myers play better as the season with Gibbs wears on? Second or third round would be a good time to address the interior of the line. It'd benice to have someone compliment Slaton and there should be some good backs available here too. IF P.J. Hill declares he'd be a great fit and would probably fall into the second round. Someone who I'd love to get if he declares this year is Greshman TE out of OU. I like OD a lot but this kid has got Gates kind of talent. Doubt he'd fall here to the second but I wouldn't be opposed to trading back in the first to tag this kid.

I have this feeling once again we'll probably gamble with a small school prospect in the third when we probably should be looking at someone who took a fall from one of the big conferences because someone always does(Slaton anyone?). IF Molden does pan out great but from all looks so far Jacoby hasn't made the small school transition so well. Would love to seea guy like Austen English here though. Motor guy that won't give up on a play and has no problem going after a QB.

YoungTexanFan
09-23-2008, 01:22 PM
Fire Richard Smith and go after a guy with experience and a track record of BUILDING a defense. Ron Rivera, Marvin Lewis, Jerry Grey or a remote possibility may be Rob Ryan though I have heard if Kiffin is canned Rob Ryan is the guy in line to get the job to end the year at least.I'd cut off Weaver and Greenwood's contracts. They can restructure and stay, but they'd really have to work their ass off to make the starting lineup. Sign Dunta to a one year deal. It works well for both sides because I don't think he'll be back to full form until next year anyway. Barring Molden majorly stepping it up later this year and looking just flat out amazing in TC Dunta gets the start. Great chance to showcase his talent for a new extended contract with us or someone else.

Agree on the scouting staff needing to be retooled. We should be looking at someone from the Colts Staff IMO they seem to be dead on in the draft and doesn't hurt to get someone under Bill Polian. Few teams, at least IMO, have worked the draft well as the Colts the past few years.

FA I'd look at for this next year either Terrell Suggs like you suggest or Julius Peppers. He hasn't looked as dominant or dynamic the past season but him opposite Mario would be be a great bookend.

Draft I wouldn't mind Cushing but the nagging injuries do bother me. Either way our LBs need some speed and I'm not really opposed to getting LB help.Larinitis is tempting because I think he'd bring some intensity that this defense needs.

Our second rounder is going to be interesting depending on how the off-season progresses. Is Brisiel viable long term at RG? Pitts? Does Myers play better as the season with Gibbs wears on? Second or third round would be a good time to address the interior of the line. It'd benice to have someone compliment Slaton and there should be some good backs available here too. IF P.J. Hill declares he'd be a great fit and would probably fall into the second round. Someone who I'd love to get if he declares this year is Greshman TE out of OU. I like OD a lot but this kid has got Gates kind of talent. Doubt he'd fall here to the second but I wouldn't be opposed to trading back in the first to tag this kid.

I have this feeling once again we'll probably gamble with a small school prospect in the third when we probably should be looking at someone who took a fall from one of the big conferences because someone always does(Slaton anyone?). IF Molden does pan out great but from all looks so far Jacoby hasn't made the small school transition so well. Would love to seea guy like Austen English here though. Motor guy that won't give up on a play and has no problem going after a QB.


GREAT POST. I'll get into it more after classes are out.

beerlover
09-23-2008, 02:08 PM
Everette Brown 6-4 250 out of Florida State is a good defensive end. He is a redshirt junior.

64 tackles, 25 TFL, 9.5 sacks, 1 FF, and 1 blocked kick over the last 2 years.

Should be great this year.

Seminole program with solid defensive history. good size for RDE, if more refined in his technique would get 1st rd. grade, still I feel he is a solid mid second. uses bull rush, has good edge speed boom or bust takes himself out of play or impacts QB protection, his numbers should translate unchanged to the next level which would add a pure pass rushing specialist. needs to refine tackling technique, strength of arm tackles won't work @ the next level. bottom line to get a talent like this in the 2nd would be a + as a rookie he would move into the starting mix. :shades:

dsorc
09-23-2008, 02:50 PM
I really like the idea of looking for a SAM in the first round of the draft but the guy I have my eye on is Aaron Curry of Wake. Most mocks I've seen him have him going in the 20s. Dude got 4 picks (3 of them returned for TD) and 3 sacks last year. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=57137&draftyear=2009&genpos=OLB

beerlover
09-23-2008, 03:10 PM
I really like the idea of looking for a SAM in the first round of the draft but the guy I have my eye on is Aaron Curry of Wake. Most mocks I've seen him have him going in the 20s. Dude got 4 picks (3 of them returned for TD) and 3 sacks last year. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=57137&draftyear=2009&genpos=OLB

welcome :tiphat:

yeah, Wake has some exceptional defensive prospects that play well together. IF the Texans turn this season around they won't be picking high enough to get Rey but they just might be in position to still upgrade LB with Curry.

YoungTexanFan
09-23-2008, 05:22 PM
FA I'd look at for this next year either Terrell Suggs like you suggest or Julius Peppers. He hasn't looked as dominant or dynamic the past season but him opposite Mario would be be a great bookend.

I don't believe Peppers is a FA? I believe we would have to trade for him, and even after a down year, I don't want to give up the pieces to get him. He would be a great player across from Mario though.


Draft I wouldn't mind Cushing but the nagging injuries do bother me. Either way our LBs need some speed and I'm not really opposed to getting LB help. Larinitis is tempting because I think he'd bring some intensity that this defense needs.

I'm not a big Larinitis fan to be honest. I think he is overvalued. I'm glad we see the same way about our LBs. I don't think Cushing will have a tendency for injuries as we move forward though.


Our second rounder is going to be interesting depending on how the off-season progresses. Is Brisiel viable long term at RG? Pitts? Does Myers play better as the season with Gibbs wears on? Second or third round would be a good time to address the interior of the line.

Our second rounder should be very interesting. There are some viable interior linemen in the draft. I think Pitts is a solid player, but that he is nothing more than that. I wouldn't mind shifting him to the right side next to Winston and upgrading our LG. I can't stress how much I want Duke Robinson. I don't think Myers is the answer at C either, but I don't think we will have lost too much if we replace him. I think he is a viable back up, but I don't think he is strong enough at the POA.


It'd benice to have someone compliment Slaton and there should be some good backs available here too. IF P.J. Hill declares he'd be a great fit and would probably fall into the second round.

I would love to get P.J. Hill. I think he is pretty close to a "complete" back or someone who could be an every down guy, but he is a very physical runner and I think he would make a good pair to Slaton. I don't even know if he will go second round; he has some nasty injuries in his recent past.


Someone who I'd love to get if he declares this year is Greshman TE out of OU. I like OD a lot but this kid has got Gates kind of talent. Doubt he'd fall here to the second but I wouldn't be opposed to trading back in the first to tag this kid.

I'd be pretty opposed to snagging a TE that early. I don't even think he is the best TE in the state of Oklahoma. I think we need to focus elsewhere until those early picks are more luxury picks than necessity picks, and we aren't there yet.


I have this feeling once again we'll probably gamble with a small school prospect in the third when we probably should be looking at someone who took a fall from one of the big conferences because someone always does(Slaton anyone?). IF Molden does pan out great but from all looks so far Jacoby hasn't made the small school transition so well. Would love to seea guy like Austen English here though. Motor guy that won't give up on a play and has no problem going after a QB.

The small school guys need time. They are a huge gamble because a staff can only spend so much effort on the development of a player before they risk neglecting that of others. It's tough for a coaching staff to do, but when it pays off, it usually pays off big. That's why teams take the risk. I do like taking productive players without the measurables from big time schools. A favorite example of mine is Mark Anderson out of Alabama a few years back.

TexansSeminole
09-23-2008, 11:07 PM
Seminole program with solid defensive history. good size for RDE, if more refined in his technique would get 1st rd. grade, still I feel he is a solid mid second. uses bull rush, has good edge speed boom or bust takes himself out of play or impacts QB protection, his numbers should translate unchanged to the next level which would add a pure pass rushing specialist. needs to refine tackling technique, strength of arm tackles won't work @ the next level. bottom line to get a talent like this in the 2nd would be a + as a rookie he would move into the starting mix. :shades:

If that WF game is the only game you've watched of Everette Brown, I am impressed. This is a pretty good summary of the guy.

I'll add that he times the snap very well. I just watched the game again because I recorded it and it may look like he was offsides on a few plays, but when you look at it on replay in slow motion he wasn't. He was getting three yards in the backfield before the offensive linemen can even attempt to block him. Now it did backfire on him once in the game as he jumped offside. They double and triple teamed him at times, particularly when they rolled out to his side. The guy has alot of moves off the line. I saw him get low and around an OT, I saw him spin off of a guy, I saw him stunt inside, I saw him bullrush. Also, don't underestimate his ability to play the run as most of his TFL are on run plays.

For the negatives BL is absolutely correct. He uses arm tackles too often, and really needs to refine his tackling technique, but I expect Mickey Andrews (one of the best D coordinators in college football) to work on that with him throughout the year. He also needs to add a little bit more strength for the NFL, but I know he got significantly stronger over the offseason. We just got Todd Stroud on at FSU as the strength and conditioning coach. He works with DL alot. He was at NC State before and worked with guys like Mario Williams, John McCargo, Tank Tyler, and Manny Lawson.

He is a great pass rusher, and if we could get him in the 2nd round it would be a steal.

Coming from me it's going to seem like homerism, but if you get a chance to watch FSU play this year pay attention to #99 Everette Brown. We play Colorado in Jacksonville at 3:30 on abc this Saturday. BTW I have tickets to that game, and the Texans game in Jax.

beerlover
09-24-2008, 06:17 AM
BTW I have tickets to that game, and the Texans game in Jax.

damn your one lucky dude, give us a first hand update if possible there is nothing like catching a game live its entirely different perspective, you can follow a particular player every down & between plays to evaluate his mannerisms & body language all those intangibles scouts talk about.

I really don't know anything more about Everette than what you've posted & what I saw for just limited amount of time against Wake Forrest (that is a really good under rated team, the whole ACC is really compelling for that matter, also really high on a couple Tar Heels as well) he does have a classic DE body with good instincts in pass rush situations. I don't want to go into full mock draft mode just yet but ya know YTF is a big fan like we both are of the process so some direction early on, for those so inclined can't hurt. Its gonna take everyones insight to get through this malaise the Texans are infected with (lack of pass rush). I'm trying to not buy into any early player love fests cause every year the Texans wind up just out of the money (with exception of 06, 02 they just blew their wad) however the key to turning this defense around is aquiring a beast in the middle (SAM) & let DeMeco be DeMeco the playmaker not the last resort.

I may be wrong but it sure seams the talent we do have is not in the position they need to be in to make consistant plays. meaning one of two things either we don't have the talent or the talent is being mis-used :shades:

painekiller
09-24-2008, 01:29 PM
YTF as always a very good plan.

How would I change the team? Since my DC looks to be in line for a HC position, Rob Ryan, I am looking at stealing a proven DC from someone and giving him a Assistant HC title, someone like Jim Schwartz of Tennessee or Bob Babich of the Bears (Babich is already a Asst HC). Another name to watch is Larry Coyer former DC for the Broncos and current Asst HC for the Bucs.

Then I go to the scouting department and clean out the last of the Casserly guys. I would look at guys like John Schneider or Reggie McKenzie from the Packers. Our pro scouting does leave much to be desired, well at least when it comes to the big signings.

Now time for the draft, like YTF, I think we are picking in the top half of the draft. I do not see us picking top 5 but after that, any spot is possible.

my target to start is Rey Maualaga, 6-1, 250, Southern California. He can play a couple of positions and yes he is good enough to allow me to move Ryans to WILL. A SAM is not a 1st rounder because they do not play in nickle packages and teams can force the guy off the field. So he is my top choice and he brings attitude to our group something we do not have. Other that would work if Maualaga is gone, Duke Robinson, but not in the top 10, would upgrade the middle of the line. Michael Oher, 6-5, 320, Mississippi, would mean Winston moves to guard. FS Taylor Mays, 6-3, 225, Southern California. Knowshon Moreno RB, Georgia or Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State

Say I get Maualaga in the 1st, then I am looking at guys like Greg Middleton DE from Indiana or Greg Hardy, DE, Ole Miss in the 2nd. Then I add a RB like Adrian Foster, RB, Tennessee in the 3rd.

LonerATO
09-24-2008, 02:11 PM
Brandon Pettigrew from Oklahoma State or Chase Coffman of Missouri if you are looking for good TE's

rmartin65
09-24-2008, 03:14 PM
A ball hawking FS would be a great pickup. A small school guy to watch is Javorris Jackson from Savannah State. At 6'4" and around 220 lbs, the guy is a stud. In 3 games he has 30 tackles, 2 picks, and a Fumble recovery.

YoungTexanFan
09-24-2008, 07:40 PM
YTF as always a very good plan.

How would I change the team? Since my DC looks to be in line for a HC position, Rob Ryan, I am looking at stealing a proven DC from someone and giving him a Assistant HC title, someone like Jim Schwartz of Tennessee or Bob Babich of the Bears (Babich is already a Asst HC). Another name to watch is Larry Coyer former DC for the Broncos and current Asst HC for the Bucs.

Then I go to the scouting department and clean out the last of the Casserly guys. I would look at guys like John Schneider or Reggie McKenzie from the Packers. Our pro scouting does leave much to be desired, well at least when it comes to the big signings.

Now time for the draft, like YTF, I think we are picking in the top half of the draft. I do not see us picking top 5 but after that, any spot is possible.

my target to start is Rey Maualaga, 6-1, 250, Southern California. He can play a couple of positions and yes he is good enough to allow me to move Ryans to WILL. A SAM is not a 1st rounder because they do not play in nickle packages and teams can force the guy off the field. So he is my top choice and he brings attitude to our group something we do not have. Other that would work if Maualaga is gone, Duke Robinson, but not in the top 10, would upgrade the middle of the line. Michael Oher, 6-5, 320, Mississippi, would mean Winston moves to guard. FS Taylor Mays, 6-3, 225, Southern California. Knowshon Moreno RB, Georgia or Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State

Say I get Maualaga in the 1st, then I am looking at guys like Greg Middleton DE from Indiana or Greg Hardy, DE, Ole Miss in the 2nd. Then I add a RB like Adrian Foster, RB, Tennessee in the 3rd.

Thanks for the compliments. I like most of what you said. I think that if we were to move Winston inside (don't recommend it) then we should go the route of a more "RT" type tackle in Andre Smith out of 'Bama. I don't want Wells or Foster. I just have a bad feeling about them, and I can't really ever give a reason why, just a gut feeling. I would love Rey or Duke. Unfortunately, we cannot get both. I wouldn't mind either though.

YoungTexanFan
09-24-2008, 07:41 PM
Brandon Pettigrew from Oklahoma State or Chase Coffman of Missouri if you are looking for good TE's

Yes. I mentioned either earlier in this thread or in another that the OU TE was not even the best in the state of Oklahoma. OSU's Pettigrew is top notch and Coffman is better than the TE that just left last year. Spot on.

steelbtexan
09-24-2008, 07:43 PM
I like the idea of signing Suggs

If we are picking in the top half of the 1st rd. I would take one of the USC LB's.

Then I would do what Carolina did this year. Trade this years no.2 & next years no. 1 for another no1.this year & draft Taylor Mays. I believe he's going to be a stud.

3rd Alex Mack or best C available
4th Kirsten Pittman
5th Roy Miller
6th bpa
7th bpa

Carolina took a chance & its paying off for them this year.
We are going to have to take some chances to get out of this abyss.

If we did this we would have playmakers on every level of our defense

DL MW, Amobi, Suggs
LB DR, Cushing or RM
DB Dunta, Bennett & Mays

Plus we would also get one of the young promising Centers that Gibbs chooses.

Make it happen Smithiak

steelbtexan
09-24-2008, 07:49 PM
This can only happen if Mr. McNair is willing to spend the money.

After 6 years of watching bad football as a season ticket holder I believe that I have the right to request that Mr. McNair spend the money. We are the 4th most profitable franchise in the NFL.

LonerATO
09-24-2008, 07:59 PM
I like the idea of signing Suggs

If we are picking in the top half of the 1st rd. I would take one of the USC LB's.

Then I would do what Carolina did this year. Trade this years no.2 & next years no. 1 for another no1.this year & draft Taylor Mays. I believe he's going to be a stud.

3rd Alex Mack or best C available
4th Kirsten Pittman
5th Roy Miller
6th bpa
7th bpa

Carolina took a chance & its paying off for them this year.
We are going to have to take some chances to get out of this abyss.

If we did this we would have playmakers on every level of our defense

DL MW, Amobi, Suggs
LB DR, Cushing or RM
DB Dunta, Bennett & Mays

Plus we would also get one of the young promising Centers that Gibbs chooses.

Make it happen Smithiak

Trading away those picks has helped but it was also a desperation move made by fox to save his job by tying to win now. Their offense was strong before but getting two OT helped and a RB. I look at their D and that is what they shored up some more and its showing both sides of the ball.

steelbtexan
09-24-2008, 08:41 PM
Trading away those picks has helped but it was also a desperation move made by fox to save his job by tying to win now. Their offense was strong before but getting two OT helped and a RB. I look at their D and that is what they shored up some more and its showing both sides of the ball.

After 7 years of lousy football we should be desparate too.

I think our offense will be fine if we add a young center & guard.
Hence the 3rd round pick on a center.

The defense has been bad since day one. It needs major attention in terms of talent & a new DC.

With this plan we could strengthen our olb & saftey positions that have been problematic at best with 2 young potential all-pro players in Cushing & Mays.

The gamble is getting Mays one year early worth a 2009 2nd rd. pick. hopefully by 2010 our team will be good enough with these aquisitions it will be a low 1st rd. pick.

The big question in this plan is wether Bobby Grier will advise Mr. McNair to spend the money on Suggs. I have my doubts this will happen.

A good defense will help the offense. The offense won't feel like it has to go for it on every 4th down.

Please spend the money Mr. McNair. 7 years is long enough.

Honoring Earl 34
09-24-2008, 09:03 PM
Thanks for the compliments. I like most of what you said. I think that if we were to move Winston inside (don't recommend it) then we should go the route of a more "RT" type tackle in Andre Smith out of 'Bama. I don't want Wells or Foster. I just have a bad feeling about them, and I can't really ever give a reason why, just a gut feeling. I would love Rey or Duke. Unfortunately, we cannot get both. I wouldn't mind either though.

OK ... being that I've turned into Mr. Sunshine ... it means our luck will change .

We will sign Suggs .

1st rd. Rey Maualuga ... good player who will hit someone .

2nd . Johnathon Luigis ... center Arkansas ... I think we need more lead in our pencil in the middle .

3rd ... best player FS , OG , RB .

TexansSeminole
09-24-2008, 09:13 PM
As you know YTF I've always liked your stuff. This plan is no different. Keep it up, you obviously have a feel for scouting. Stick to your guns bro.:cowboy1:

I think our weakest positions are RB, OLB, DE, and interior OL. edit: I should add safety.

If we drafted those, in no particular order, in the first 4 picks I would probably be happy.

If we went 1st round RB, we could potentially have a nice duo (with Slaton of course).

I think we really need a big strong SLB who can chase plays down. A guy like Shawn Crable was last year. Don't have many of these guys picked out yet. One guy I've noticed is Nate Irving from NC State. Redshirt Sophomore who does nothing but make plays. VERY impressed with him thus far. I think he has first round pick potential in the future. He won't come out this year but just a guy I have noticed.

YTF show me your top 5 list of OLBs (specifically SLBs) if you got one. I'd be interested to see that list.

painekiller
09-24-2008, 11:31 PM
Thanks for the compliments. I like most of what you said. I think that if we were to move Winston inside (don't recommend it) then we should go the route of a more "RT" type tackle in Andre Smith out of 'Bama.

I was thinking if we were to go Oher, then Oher plays LT, and Brown becomes the RT. But I would not have a problem moving Brown to OG and leaving the slower footed Winston outside.

But that is not where I really want to go, I would rather upgrade the "D".

LonerATO
09-24-2008, 11:36 PM
I hate to have to keep spending high picks on the D but if we change DC's then it looks like we will spend the top 2 picks

YoungTexanFan
09-25-2008, 12:56 AM
As you know YTF I've always liked your stuff. This plan is no different. Keep it up, you obviously have a feel for scouting. Stick to your guns bro.:cowboy1:

I think our weakest positions are RB, OLB, DE, and interior OL. edit: I should add safety.

If we drafted those, in no particular order, in the first 4 picks I would probably be happy.

If we went 1st round RB, we could potentially have a nice duo (with Slaton of course).

I think we really need a big strong SLB who can chase plays down. A guy like Shawn Crable was last year. Don't have many of these guys picked out yet. One guy I've noticed is Nate Irving from NC State. Redshirt Sophomore who does nothing but make plays. VERY impressed with him thus far. I think he has first round pick potential in the future. He won't come out this year but just a guy I have noticed.

YTF show me your top 5 list of OLBs (specifically SLBs) if you got one. I'd be interested to see that list.

It's still early, but this is my top list of guys right now that could play SAM.


Brian Cushing, USC
Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina (could stay in the middle or move to SAM; big boy at almost 270)
Aaron Curry, Wake Forest
Brandon Spikes, Florida RSO
Marcus Freeman, Ohio St


A guy to keep an eye on as a sleeper: Mike Rivera, 6-2, 255, Kansas. He's got the size and experience. I'm not calling for him to be picked, just throwing out my guy.

LonerATO
09-25-2008, 01:29 AM
As much fun as it is to talk about all these different guys being picked for us it will all change come the combine.

threetoedpete
09-25-2008, 04:19 AM
Beerlover, I'd quote your post but it's too long. I'm not a huge fan of Foster. I love the USC LBs. I realize Cushing has injury issues, but he is just so damn good. He has the size and speed to cover the TEs and H-Backs that slip out. .

So was Dan Morgan. One thingy for a guy to get injured while on the feild, after you've drafted him. That's just bad football Karma.. Quite another to go drafting trouble out of the gate. If you take this guy better be sure, drop dead sure. The Texans don't have a margin for a miss next year of any sort.

threetoedpete
09-25-2008, 04:26 AM
I really like the idea of looking for a SAM in the first round of the draft but the guy I have my eye on is Aaron Curry of Wake. Most mocks I've seen him have him going in the 20s. Dude got 4 picks (3 of them returned for TD) and 3 sacks last year. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=57137&draftyear=2009&genpos=OLB

Now it may be just PR for the fans....but they like Diles. I don't like him. Seems a bit slow to me...but the folks on Kirby do. I believe Curry is a candidate.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Rankings.php

And Curry, according to draft count, down projects as a Will on the next level there big guy.

YoungTexanFan
09-25-2008, 09:09 AM
Now it may be just PR for the fans....but they like Diles. I don't like him. Seems a bit slow to me...but the folks on Kirby do. I believe Curry is a candidate.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Rankings.php

And Curry, according to draft count, down projects as a Will on the next level there big guy.

I agree with you about Diles.

Curry could play all 3 LBs in the NFL, but I think he would be a good fit on the strong side.

YoungTexanFan
09-25-2008, 09:10 AM
So was Dan Morgan. One thingy for a guy to get injured while on the feild, after you've drafted him. That's just bad football Karma.. Quite another to go drafting trouble out of the gate. If you take this guy better be sure, drop dead sure. The Texans don't have a margin for a miss next year of any sort.

It is a risk. It's still pretty early. At this point, I'm only looking BPA for our needs. My scouting friends don't cover the West Coast unfortunately. My main guy is the SEC coordinator for the Cowboys.

LonerATO
09-27-2008, 01:44 AM
Good comments going on about George Selvie

http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5935

mussop
10-03-2008, 06:12 PM
So, I was thinking about the Texans' offseason last night instead of physiology. I'm going to keep this pretty basic, but I will explain my reasoning and thoughts.

First order of business:
I fire Richard Smith and I tell Kubiak he is on the proverbial "hot seat" for this upcoming season.

I would also fire Smith. I would bring in Marvin Lewis a PROVEN DC.

Secondly, I fire our head of scouting and player development (the lone holdover from C&C) and I hire extra scouts; focus on the SEC. My professor's son is the Chief Player Scout of the SEC for the Cowboys. Anyway, I focus my attention to that conference and the ACC. We should be able to get some of our area scouts out to see some Texas action.

Definatly would fire this guy. He has a proven track record and its not good. I would go after someone with lots of eexperience and a GOOD proven track record.

Next up is FA where I have one focus only: Terrell Suggs. I sign him and put him opposite Mario in a 4-3 base defense. I let Suggs do his thing. I would love to go after Haneysworth, but we can't afford to match what the Falcons are likely to give him, nor should we. I have a solution later.

Im sorry but we cant add ANOTHER explosive, quick-twitch DT like you have suggested. That is the main flaw of this defense now. We need a plugger, someone who demands serious attention that can hold his ground against the run.

I have one focus only also but its not DE. Its DT and its A Haynesworth. There is NO ONE that could help this team more NO ONE! I dont care what he cost because not only is he the best at his position but putting him next to Mario and in front of Ryans takes so much pressure of our 2 best players it cant help but make them even better. We CANT afford to NOT match whatever offer he is given. Also remember DE is the strongest position in the draft.



In the draft, I'm looking to plug some immediate holes. I'm 50/50 on Okam being an NFL starter right now. I tried to keep this as realistic as possible as I have us picking in the 12-16 range next year. I did try to stay as close to BPA as possible as well.

Absolutely this is what the top of the draft is all about. Pluggign holes. But you cant plug a whole at the expense of BPA if said player is significantly better.

1. Brian Cushing, OLB, USC - He has done it all at USC. He can play the SAM position and has the speed to stay with a H-back/TE. He has the size to disengage and the instincts to be at the ball. He has everything you could possibly want; the only knock is a few injuries. Best LB on the team IMO.

This is where I get my DE. Michael Johnson (Georgia Tech) He is just the kind of athelete (6-7, 260 explosive first step) we need opposite Mario. If he is gone Im looking at Ole Miss' Greg Hardy, at 6-foot-4, 265-pound is one of the most explosive defenders in the draft or Indiana's Greg Middleton 6’3”, 275 that led the leauge with 16 sacks last year.

2. Ricky Jean-Francois, DT, LSU, Jr. - Francois is a beast. Plain and simple; BPA. He is a better prospect than Dorsey in terms of what I expect at the next level. Francois is the best DL prospect from LSU, not Tyson Jackson. Francois has great size and really gets off the snap well for his size. He is exceptional at blowing plays up in the backfield. Just witness his bowl game last year. Right now, he is looking like a 2nd rounder though by most accounts.

Second round im looking at stockpiling talent and depth at OL. My 2 top targets are (as of now) Ryan Stanchek, West Virginia - 6-4, 300, SR (LT)
and Greg Isdaner, West Virginia - 6-4, 322, JR ...(G) Keep throwing these type of guys at Gibbs and he will deliver us a top of the line line.

3. Jonathan Luigs, OC, Arkansas - I think it is a push between him and Mack for best OC in the draft. You can also throw in the Oregon OC into that mix, but I really like Luigs because of his ability to consistently create a hole for RB's. He blocked for some great speed backs and should be able to get those holes open quickly for our young group. Also, I would hope he can help with the formation of a more fundamentally sound pocket for our QB.

Well, that is my quick offseason plan. Have at it.

In the third im going after another plugger. Terrence ’Mount’ Cody DT Alabama junior (#62, 6-4, 365), Try and score on that goaline defense.

Since we are adding 2 new DT's into the mix this allows me to trade TJ for a 3rd or 4th round pick.

With the remaining picks Im looking at players that can fit our scheme and play multiple positions. Especially OL and D front 7 Players like OLB/DE Clay Mathews DE USC #47. Mathews has a knack for making big plays and that is something we need desperately. Although I will say right now that Mathews will be a high round pick if he continues to play like he has so far. "in the opener -- six tackles, one sack, one forced fumble, two fumble recoveries at Virginia -- opened some eyes. As a stand-up pass rusher, Matthews constantly was in the face of Virginia QB Peter Lalich. He also securely tackled ball carriers in space and took on blocks. This could be the third Clay Matthews to suit up in the NFL.".
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=57020&draftyear=2009&genpos=OLB

Well thats how I would do it.

YoungTexanFan
10-03-2008, 07:07 PM
Interesting ideas. I still prefer to take a proven commodity at DE instead of a rookie. I expect to see Haynesworth have a notable drop off in production after his final big contract. I don't like him in general either. Also, Johnson hasn't put up numbers like he is capable and the others you mentioned aren't worth where we should be picking. Simply not BPA. I'm sick and tired of adding the "ZBS" interior OL. That is a load of horse-s**t. Good linemen can play in any system within reason. I want better talent than what you threw out there for the second round. I don't value him there at all. I doubt Cody comes out this year, and I doubt when he does that he last until the 3rd.

mussop
10-03-2008, 07:53 PM
Interesting ideas. I still prefer to take a proven commodity at DE instead of a rookie. I expect to see Haynesworth have a notable drop off in production after his final big contract. I don't like him in general either.

Of course you dont like him, he doesnt play for the Texans. He is mean and nasty and that would be a welcome trait to this team.


Also, Johnson hasn't put up numbers like he is capable and the others you mentioned aren't worth where we should be picking. Simply not BPA.

That remains to be seen. IMO they all will be 1st round picks. THey are all considered middle first to late forst round picks at this point by most scouting experts.

I'm sick and tired of adding the "ZBS" interior OL. That is a load of horse-s**t. Good linemen can play in any system within reason.


horse-s**t or not you better get used to it because that is the way its going to be. We have a OL coach with a proven track record of turning these type guys into stars and a HC who has alot of respect for him and these ways.

I want better talent than what you threw out there for the second round. I don't value him there at all.

I respect youre opinion but have you even watched these guys play? They are perfect fits for ZBS. If we could get either one later in the draft I would really happy.

I doubt Cody comes out this year, and I doubt when he does that he last until the 3rd.

I bet he does come out but you are right that he probably wont last until the 3rd.

mussop
10-03-2008, 08:06 PM
Interesting ideas. I still prefer to take a proven commodity at DE instead of a rookie.

Also I would like to add - The 2 positoins that translate to the NFL the best as far as production is concerned are 1 RB and 2 speed rushing DE. Dont get me wrong I wont be unhappy if we sign Suggss (just the opposite) but tha still wont solve our problem of not being able to stop the run.

Having a plugger also will help Ryans have a longer career. Being an undersized MLB isnt an ideal thing with undersized DT's in front of you.

Thanks for responding.

YoungTexanFan
10-03-2008, 10:11 PM
Also I would like to add - The 2 positoins that translate to the NFL the best as far as production is concerned are 1 RB and 2 speed rushing DE. Dont get me wrong I wont be unhappy if we sign Suggss (just the opposite) but tha still wont solve our problem of not being able to stop the run.

Having a plugger also will help Ryans have a longer career. Being an undersized MLB isnt an ideal thing with undersized DT's in front of you.

Thanks for responding.

I'm not arguing that fact. I realize that a lot of time second day picks can surprise, but I still like the elite talent at DE. I just don't think we have any business going after Haynesworth. We can't match an offer from Atlanta. I won't be upset in the least bit if we land Haynesworth, but I think Suggs is a MUCH, MUCH more realistic option for our team. I think a "plus-sized" NT can be had just as easily the second day or second round (my pick) and won't be expected to contribute nearly as much but will do the same exact thing you want with Haynesworth.

And...thank YOU for responding. :tiphat:

YoungTexanFan
10-03-2008, 10:29 PM
Of course you dont like him, he doesnt play for the Texans. He is mean and nasty and that would be a welcome trait to this team.




That remains to be seen. IMO they all will be 1st round picks. THey are all considered middle first to late forst round picks at this point by most scouting experts.




horse-s**t or not you better get used to it because that is the way its going to be. We have a OL coach with a proven track record of turning these type guys into stars and a HC who has alot of respect for him and these ways.



I respect youre opinion but have you even watched these guys play? They are perfect fits for ZBS. If we could get either one later in the draft I would really happy.



I bet he does come out but you are right that he probably wont last until the 3rd.

I don't like him because his attitude is uncontrollable on the field. I liken him to a larger, faster, stronger Michael Barrett playing football. Not good. Would he help out production wise, yes. Would he be worth the investment, we don't know. He's really come on in the gap between his suspension for stomping a players head and his last big contract, time will tell.

I have watched plenty, plenty of ZBS guys, and I have a stack of tapes (maybe 4? tapes) sitting in my closet of West Virginia games. I was tracking Slaton for a while and I've followed a few guys every now and then as well.

When you say, "you better get used to it because that is the way its going to be." are you quoting Alex Gibbs? A ZBS scheme isn't all about weight. Duke Robinson would be a better ZBS OG than either of the guys you mentioned. Why? He's simply a much better talent. Talent fits any scheme.

bah007
10-03-2008, 10:38 PM
Its true that Duke Robinson would be a very heavy ZBS o-lineman.

But just watch him play.

Despite his weight, he still looks like he has all the skills needed to be effective in a ZBS scheme.

YoungTexanFan
10-04-2008, 01:48 AM
Its true that Duke Robinson would be a very heavy ZBS o-lineman.

But just watch him play.

Despite his weight, he still looks like he has all the skills needed to be effective in a ZBS scheme.

I'm tired of getting players who can only fit the ZBS. I want players who can excel in any system.

b0ng
10-04-2008, 12:36 PM
Julius Peppers per Rotoworld (http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2361)

So I think he's a FA in 2009. Personally I'd prefer him over Suggs, but he's going to try to get a ton of money, especially if he has a season like his rookie season and not the last one he played.

Aside from your not liking Duane Brown (Which I think has performed way better than most people predicted) most of this plan is spot on. I don't know many of the Safety's coming out of the draft this year, but most of the college football fans that I talk to, liken this draft class to last years. Maybe one really good player and a lot of guys who are boom or bust material. Which means that our linebacking corps could get upgraded in the first round.

I think a guy like Luigs or Mack (but not both) will probably be there in the 2nd round (Might have to trade up to get them though). As far as how I'd like to see the draft priorities break down as such:

1. LB (Can be outside or inside)
2. FS/C
3. C/FS
4. SS
5. OG
6. RB

I think with the emergence of Steve Slaton, that it will drop getting a second running back down to a low priority, and that running back will probably be of the bruiser mold (Hopefully a faster and better pass catching Ron Dayne). I really think that after this season is over that we will really want to concentrate our offseason efforts into shoring up the defense, and that would start with the DC and work it's way down. Maybe pick up somebody like Chris Gamble for your safety needs in FA if you're not sold on the draft class this year. Try to find somebody who can provide decent pass rushing opportunities (Although I think that Okoye will prove himself worthy before the end of the season) with either FA or the Draft (I'm leaning FA although that is a scary proposition with how we've handled FA in the past few years).

Honestly it seems as though the top concerns about the offense coming into this season have subsided with the decent play of the rookies Brown and Slaton. This bumps offensive needs down a little unless Matt Schaubs glass jaw comes back to stick us. I think our interior line play is probably going to be solved by Alex Gibbs, especially with the push he's now getting with the line. If the Texans can produce a 100 yard rusher vs the top rated run defense in the league (As of Week 5) then I think that will also have to bump the priority down a bit.

To me, I'm looking at not a full defensive overhaul, but a definite clearing out of players and coaches who are not earning their money. I think the real problem will be finding a DC who is worth his weight more than finding the players.

EDIT: OR you could just say "Screw it" and draft Michael Crabtree because holy hell that would be awesome.

threetoedpete
10-04-2008, 03:43 PM
Its true that Duke Robinson would be a very heavy ZBS o-lineman.

But just watch him play.

Despite his weight, he still looks like he has all the skills needed to be effective in a ZBS scheme.



This is where I get my DE. Michael Johnson (Georgia Tech) He is just the kind of athelete (6-7, 260 explosive first step) we need opposite Mario. If he is gone Im looking at Ole Miss' Greg Hardy, at 6-foot-4, 265-pound is one of the most explosive defenders in the draft or Indiana's Greg Middleton 6’3”, 275 that led the leauge with 16 sacks last year.


The biggest thing that is killing us right now is no one can hold the corner on that side. Robinson's not there and the rumor that Weaver can do it has yet to be realized this season. Orokpo is at 5.5 sacks this season. He is currently 265 and climbing. Started out as a will/Db tweener and his body has exploded.

I'm buying what this guy will be two years from now. If he is there after they've indulged themselves with what ever round one...I spend draft capitol move up and go get Brian Orakpo at the top of the second.

bah007
10-04-2008, 03:45 PM
The biggest thing that is killing us right now is no one can hold the corner on that side. Robinson's not there and the rumor that Weaver can do it has yet to be realized this season. Orokpo is at 5.5 sacks this season. He is currently 265 and climbing. Started out as a will/Db tweener and his body has exploded.

I'm buying what this guy will be two years from now. If he is there after they've indulged themselves with what ever round one...I spend draft capitol move up and go get Brian Orakpo at the top of the second.

You are preaching to the choir on this one.

I would love to have Orakpo opposite Mario.

threetoedpete
10-04-2008, 04:13 PM
I'm tired of getting players who can only fit the ZBS. I want players who can excel in any system.

After watching the OU line play with Baylor this morning like a cat playing with a mouse....I think Robinson can swing to the tackle spot....will see next week if they paw the horns like they batted around the bears today. There's not an once of fat on the guy. Robinson's just a big man. There's that little prima dona thingy that Gibbs gets hung up on. He runs 5.2 or above....not a ZBS guy. Not a NFL tackle.

If we came away with a Will who can run and makes plays....Orakpo and then one of the centers this draft or Ulatoski....that'd be a pretty good draft.

1. Will LB
2. DE Orakpo
3. Interior competion: Ligus , Max Unger,Oregon ,Caldwell, Wood, Ulatoski
4. RB: Darrell Mack Utah, Luke Lippencott, Nevada, Micah Andrews Wake
5. DB/Cb prspect: Brandon King Purdue
6. Chase Daniels
7. Special teams guy: Clay Matthews, 6-3, 240, Southern California (DE),Ben Maljovec, 6-3, 223, Syracuse (LB/ST)

mussop
10-06-2008, 01:00 AM
I would also fire Smith. I would bring in Marvin Lewis a PROVEN DC.



Definatly would fire this guy. He has a proven track record and its not good. I would go after someone with lots of eexperience and a GOOD proven track record.



Im sorry but we cant add ANOTHER explosive, quick-twitch DT like you have suggested. That is the main flaw of this defense now. We need a plugger, someone who demands serious attention that can hold his ground against the run.

I have one focus only also but its not DE. Its DT and its A Haynesworth. There is NO ONE that could help this team more NO ONE! I dont care what he cost because not only is he the best at his position but putting him next to Mario and in front of Ryans takes so much pressure of our 2 best players it cant help but make them even better. We CANT afford to NOT match whatever offer he is given. Also remember DE is the strongest position in the draft.





Absolutely this is what the top of the draft is all about. Pluggign holes. But you cant plug a whole at the expense of BPA if said player is significantly better.



This is where I get my DE. Michael Johnson (Georgia Tech) He is just the kind of athelete (6-7, 260 explosive first step) we need opposite Mario. If he is gone Im looking at Ole Miss' Greg Hardy, at 6-foot-4, 265-pound is one of the most explosive defenders in the draft or Indiana's Greg Middleton 6’3”, 275 that led the leauge with 16 sacks last year.



Second round im looking at stockpiling talent and depth at OL. My 2 top targets are (as of now) Ryan Stanchek, West Virginia - 6-4, 300, SR (LT)
and Greg Isdaner, West Virginia - 6-4, 322, JR ...(G) Keep throwing these type of guys at Gibbs and he will deliver us a top of the line line.



In the third im going after another plugger. Terrence ’Mount’ Cody DT Alabama junior (#62, 6-4, 365), Try and score on that goaline defense.

Since we are adding 2 new DT's into the mix this allows me to trade TJ for a 3rd or 4th round pick.

With the remaining picks Im looking at players that can fit our scheme and play multiple positions. Especially OL and D front 7 Players like OLB/DE Clay Mathews DE USC #47. Mathews has a knack for making big plays and that is something we need desperately. Although I will say right now that Mathews will be a high round pick if he continues to play like he has so far. "in the opener -- six tackles, one sack, one forced fumble, two fumble recoveries at Virginia -- opened some eyes. As a stand-up pass rusher, Matthews constantly was in the face of Virginia QB Peter Lalich. He also securely tackled ball carriers in space and took on blocks. This could be the third Clay Matthews to suit up in the NFL.".
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=57020&draftyear=2009&genpos=OLB

Well thats how I would do it.


Change of plans. Draft part anyways.

1.) Im going after Rey Maualuga (USC). With him and Haynesworth in the middle teams will be punting on 4th and short rather than going for it and making it.

2.) Some of you pointed out Brian Orakpo (Texas) Sounds good lets do it.

3.) Donald Brown Running back Connecticut Huskies Height: 5-10 Weight: 208 after watching this guy run on NC's very good D Im sold. He will be another 3rd round steal and give us a great RB combo.

4.) Here and later nothings changed, Im looking to add depth on the OL and add players that produced in college and that can play multiple positions. Players like Mathews

YoungTexanFan
10-06-2008, 01:59 AM
I'd like to turn some of yall onto Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest. He is roughly 5'9, but man can this kid play. I think he has a chance to slip to the second-third range.

Also, take notice of Trevard Lindley, CB, Kentucky. He really had a good game against Julio Jones (the top WR in the nation and the best looking WR I've seen since AJ in college; you will hear me mention his name A LOT more until his is eligible. If draft class were the same, I take him over Crabtree without blinking.) With that said, Lindley has been having a good season. I think he has 1st round potential this year, but for sure next year if he comes back. I think he could slide to the middle of the second, but could jump to the middle of the first as well. Depends on workouts.

bah007
10-06-2008, 02:07 AM
I love Lindley, but he can't weigh more than 175.

He needs some more muscle so I think he stays another year.

TexansSeminole
10-06-2008, 10:02 AM
I'd like to turn some of yall onto Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest. He is roughly 5'9, but man can this kid play. I think he has a chance to slip to the second-third range.

Yea, this guy is a really good football player. I think he goes late first round early second round.

He has 13 tackles, 1 TFL, 2 INTs, and 6 pass breakups through 4 games this year. Last year he had 44 tackles, 4.5 TFL, 3 sacks, 8 interceptions, 10 pass breakups, 4 forced fumbles, and 1 blocked kick. In 2006 he had 48 tackles, 8.5 TFL, 4 sacks, 3 interceptions, 8 pass breakups, 1 forced fumbled, 1 blocked kick.

He can do it all. He's always in the right position and he is a playmaker. He reminds me of a Ed Reed from the cornerback position. Brings the same kind of attitude and style of play.

YoungTexanFan
10-06-2008, 01:05 PM
I love Lindley, but he can't weigh more than 175.

He needs some more muscle so I think he stays another year.

Yeah, I threw out there that if he does come back to UK that he is most likely the top CB for the next year. His body hasn't peaked, which is what will keep his stock high. Often with CB's their bodies are as ready as they are going to be, thus their stock peaks, and they becomes more the "flavor of the month". See examples with: Antoine Cason and Mike Jenkins.

bah007
10-06-2008, 04:17 PM
Yeah, I threw out there that if he does come back to UK that he is most likely the top CB for the next year. His body hasn't peaked, which is what will keep his stock high. Often with CB's their bodies are as ready as they are going to be, thus their stock peaks, and they becomes more the "flavor of the month". See examples with: Antoine Cason and Mike Jenkins.

I see the Jenkins example but I wouldn't throw Cason in the "flavor of the month" category. He had three or four years of solid production at Arizona before he went pro.

YoungTexanFan
10-06-2008, 09:39 PM
I see the Jenkins example but I wouldn't throw Cason in the "flavor of the month" category. He had three or four years of solid production at Arizona before he went pro.

I meant come draft day. He was the top returning CB but his body was maxed out and his measurables were NFL ready. There was no "physical" improvements to be made to help his stock, only a much more critical body of work with a target on his back, thus making him more the "flavor of the month" because the "top" CB was a revolving list.

bah007
10-06-2008, 09:59 PM
I meant come draft day. He was the top returning CB but his body was maxed out and his measurables were NFL ready. There was no "physical" improvements to be made to help his stock, only a much more critical body of work with a target on his back, thus making him more the "flavor of the month" because the "top" CB was a revolving list.

Ok. I get you now.

Yeah we're on the same page on that one.

YoungTexanFan
10-06-2008, 10:19 PM
Yea, this guy is a really good football player. I think he goes late first round early second round.

He has 13 tackles, 1 TFL, 2 INTs, and 6 pass breakups through 4 games this year. Last year he had 44 tackles, 4.5 TFL, 3 sacks, 8 interceptions, 10 pass breakups, 4 forced fumbles, and 1 blocked kick. In 2006 he had 48 tackles, 8.5 TFL, 4 sacks, 3 interceptions, 8 pass breakups, 1 forced fumbled, 1 blocked kick.

He can do it all. He's always in the right position and he is a playmaker. He reminds me of a Ed Reed from the cornerback position. Brings the same kind of attitude and style of play.

His size will hold him out of the first round. You have to remember that teams are still heavily influenced at the combine. He doesn't have the measurables of traditional first round CBs. His stats will bump him up some, but I'm going to stick to a mid-second to mid-third grade for him, and yes, I would take a long look at him there.

The1ApplePie
10-06-2008, 10:21 PM
Selvie in the 1st and Cushing in the 2nd would solve a lot of problems:whip:

Or Mauluga in the 1st and Orakpo in the 2nd

YoungTexanFan
10-06-2008, 10:27 PM
Julius Peppers per Rotoworld (http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2361)

So I think he's a FA in 2009. Personally I'd prefer him over Suggs, but he's going to try to get a ton of money, especially if he has a season like his rookie season and not the last one he played.

Aside from your not liking Duane Brown (Which I think has performed way better than most people predicted) most of this plan is spot on. I don't know many of the Safety's coming out of the draft this year, but most of the college football fans that I talk to, liken this draft class to last years. Maybe one really good player and a lot of guys who are boom or bust material. Which means that our linebacking corps could get upgraded in the first round.

I think a guy like Luigs or Mack (but not both) will probably be there in the 2nd round (Might have to trade up to get them though). As far as how I'd like to see the draft priorities break down as such:

1. LB (Can be outside or inside)
2. FS/C
3. C/FS
4. SS
5. OG
6. RB

I think with the emergence of Steve Slaton, that it will drop getting a second running back down to a low priority, and that running back will probably be of the bruiser mold (Hopefully a faster and better pass catching Ron Dayne). I really think that after this season is over that we will really want to concentrate our offseason efforts into shoring up the defense, and that would start with the DC and work it's way down. Maybe pick up somebody like Chris Gamble for your safety needs in FA if you're not sold on the draft class this year. Try to find somebody who can provide decent pass rushing opportunities (Although I think that Okoye will prove himself worthy before the end of the season) with either FA or the Draft (I'm leaning FA although that is a scary proposition with how we've handled FA in the past few years).

Honestly it seems as though the top concerns about the offense coming into this season have subsided with the decent play of the rookies Brown and Slaton. This bumps offensive needs down a little unless Matt Schaubs glass jaw comes back to stick us. I think our interior line play is probably going to be solved by Alex Gibbs, especially with the push he's now getting with the line. If the Texans can produce a 100 yard rusher vs the top rated run defense in the league (As of Week 5) then I think that will also have to bump the priority down a bit.

To me, I'm looking at not a full defensive overhaul, but a definite clearing out of players and coaches who are not earning their money. I think the real problem will be finding a DC who is worth his weight more than finding the players.

EDIT: OR you could just say "Screw it" and draft Michael Crabtree because holy hell that would be awesome.

Peppers scares me a bit. His production simply hasn't been there recently. I think his past success will out-price him for us, but his current level of play would be a great match for what we should be offering. However, I feel that Suggs is the best pass-rushing DE available for the money.

I just don't like Duane Brown. I'll eat crow if I ever have to, but he has never played well at the LT spot, college included. I think he was a reach and we've been fed BS to save face for their positional reach. I don't buy it, and haven't since draft day. However, that is my prerogative and you can buy into that or not. I'm well aware that we won't be going OT in the first round this year, which is unfortunate, because with where we should be picking, some actual "elite" type OTs will be available. However, Duane will need help as will our revolving door of undersized and weak Cs. Pitts is solid, but he isn't good enough to make up the difference in that lack of size and talent. Will Duane ever be good enough to be a top quarter of the NFL LT? I really doubt it. My solution? Put a top quarter of the NFL OG next to him and cover his short-comings. The interior of both our lines is what needs the most work. OG/C and not a "swing" guy and a NT. I think NT can be filled later with just a girth guy (if Okam doesn't show the potential). I think we should go OG (D. Robinson) FS (Moore, Mizzu) and then C (maybe Caldwell, Alabama?).

beerlover
10-06-2008, 10:57 PM
I just don't like Duane Brown. I'll eat crow if I ever have to, but he has never played well at the LT spot, college included. I think he was a reach and we've been fed BS to save face for their positional reach. I don't buy it, and haven't since draft day. However, that is my prerogative and you can buy into that or not. I'm well aware that we won't be going OT in the first round this year, which is unfortunate, because with where we should be picking, some actual "elite" type OTs will be available. However, Duane will need help as will our revolving door of undersized and weak Cs. Pitts is solid, but he isn't good enough to make up the difference in that lack of size and talent. Will Duane ever be good enough to be a top quarter of the NFL LT? I really doubt it. My solution? Put a top quarter of the NFL OG next to him and cover his short-comings. The interior of both our lines is what needs the most work. OG/C and not a "swing" guy and a NT. I think NT can be filled later with just a girth guy (if Okam doesn't show the potential). I think we should go OG (D. Robinson) FS (Moore, Mizzu) and then C (maybe Caldwell, Alabama?).

your talking big bucks via free agency or another 1st rd. pick (would love to get Andre Smith, Alabama) so I just don't see it nor think its required, more ways than one to skin a cat so to speak :aikido:

I think the scenero of a FS like Moore is more probable :photos:

YoungTexanFan
10-06-2008, 11:28 PM
your talking big bucks via free agency or another 1st rd. pick (would love to get Andre Smith, Alabama) so I just don't see it nor think its required, more ways than one to skin a cat so to speak :aikido:

I think the scenero of a FS like Moore is more probable :photos:

I don't think Suggs will "break the bank", and he is an UFA, meaning he won't cost us any picks. Peppers, I believe is a RFA and would cost us picks and most likely have to involve a trade with the Panthers. I love Smith, I was hyping him midway through his true freshman year, and there should be archived quotes with me on that. I agree there are more than one way to skin a cat, but I don't think we as a franchise can afford the PR of going DL again in the 1st round with an unproven rookie. I'd rather spend a little less in FA and get the proven talent with a little less friendly contract (outs). I think DE is an available position to upgrade before the draft, while a potential-premier FS is NEVER available in FA. I think DE production is easier to get than FS production, regardless of how the player is acquired.

wolf123
10-07-2008, 09:15 PM
I don't think Suggs will "break the bank", and he is an UFA, meaning he won't cost us any picks. Peppers, I believe is a RFA and would cost us picks and most likely have to involve a trade with the Panthers. I love Smith, I was hyping him midway through his true freshman year, and there should be archived quotes with me on that. I agree there are more than one way to skin a cat, but I don't think we as a franchise can afford the PR of going DL again in the 1st round with an unproven rookie. I'd rather spend a little less in FA and get the proven talent with a little less friendly contract (outs). I think DE is an available position to upgrade before the draft, while a potential-premier FS is NEVER available in FA. I think DE production is easier to get than FS production, regardless of how the player is acquired.

Suggs will get alot of money! Thankfully the texans finally have money to spend.

steelbtexan
10-07-2008, 10:01 PM
Suggs will get alot of money! Thankfully the texans finally have money to spend.

Amen

Mr. McNair needs to spend the money on Hanesworth. Then we can draft a will lb (Cushing) Then draft CB/S V. Harris.

wolf123
10-07-2008, 10:05 PM
Amen

Mr. McNair needs to spend the money on Hanesworth. Then we can draft a will lb (Cushing) Then draft CB/S V. Harris.

Hanesworth is a more likely target then peppers and suggs in my opinion and takeing away a key player from the titans sounds awesome!:texflag:

YoungTexanFan
10-08-2008, 12:12 AM
Hanesworth is a more likely target then peppers and suggs in my opinion and takeing away a key player from the titans sounds awesome!:texflag:

I don't think Peppers is a "target", nor should he be for what he will command in terms of picks vs. production. I will also sport any avatar of your choice for a full week if Haynesworth is a "target" of the Texans. Be honest. I think he has another season or two in him, and that is seriously questionable after his last fat contract. His play really spiked between his suspension or stomping a players head and this upcoming contract; essentially, he realizes that he f'ed up and needed to play well to get a contract. I don't think that will continue, nor by any means do I think the Texans will go after him. I think Suggs is the most likely target of the three.

LonerATO
10-08-2008, 03:14 AM
Suggs will command money there is no doubt about it. He will be targeted by almost all teams in need of a DE or DE/OLB. PR is none existent for this team so if we went DL again the the first it wouldnt make a difference and I think people expect it. We could pull a Jax and go for DE and DT in the first two rounds and shore up that crappy line and then go FS/SS and OLB. Now say we do get Suggs which I would freaking love then we could still be going safety/DT in the first. Gibbs will pick the OL guys and since we run a smaller OL that will leave us with guys we need that other teams don't. I dont see us wasting a 1st pick on another OL player I just cant.

mussop
10-08-2008, 06:43 AM
I don't think Peppers is a "target", nor should he be for what he will command in terms of picks vs. production. I will also sport any avatar of your choice for a full week if Haynesworth is a "target" of the Texans. Be honest. I think he has another season or two in him, and that is seriously questionable after his last fat contract. His play really spiked between his suspension or stomping a players head and this upcoming contract; essentially, he realizes that he f'ed up and needed to play well to get a contract. I don't think that will continue, nor by any means do I think the Texans will go after him. I think Suggs is the most likely target of the three.


I think you have Haynesworth pegged all wrong. He has his head on straight now and has matured alot since the "head stomping" incident. He has a small child now and seems to have things in proper prospective. The guy plays hard all the time now and hasnt been in any trouble since that incident. Dont really understand why you are so down on him.

wolf123
10-10-2008, 11:14 PM
I can say with almost 100% certainty that the texans will not go after suggs or peppers. The reason I say this is that its just entirely to much money invested in the front four. These two players are going to want 80 million dollar deals with 35 something million guaranteed. The texans cannot afford to give that much money to one player while still paying mario williams. The two players I see the texans looking at karlos dansby and bart scott.

threetoedpete
10-11-2008, 04:42 AM
I thought the Cards just Resigned Dansby to a new deal ? If they do go after a big name free agent DL...someone already here will have to take a big cut. What's Peppers now 29 ? We're going down the Green...insert your own former Texans OT- DE here, road again ? The thirty something line is real and you mess with it at your own peril.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/12/27/cards.dansby/index.html

"Karlos is a valued player and he's recognized as being one of our core players," general manager Rod Graves said on Thursday. "It's our intent to do everything we can to try to keep him here."

If Dansby gets the exclusive franchise tag, he would have no choice but to remain under contract with Arizona. He would receive the average one-year salary of the five highest-paid linebackers in the league. Last season, that was $7.2 million.

YoungTexanFan
10-11-2008, 10:25 AM
I can say with almost 100% certainty that the texans will not go after suggs or peppers. The reason I say this is that its just entirely to much money invested in the front four. These two players are going to want 80 million dollar deals with 35 something million guaranteed. The texans cannot afford to give that much money to one player while still paying mario williams. The two players I see the texans looking at karlos dansby and bart scott.

I just don't see Suggs getting that level of money. I see him in the mid 50-million range with roughly 20 million guaranteed.

threetoedpete
10-12-2008, 09:08 AM
scratch #8 Ryan Reynolds. Hurt his knee again in the red river shoot out. I don't know the extent but out of the season doesn't sound very promising.

bah007
10-12-2008, 10:28 AM
scratch #8 Ryan Reynolds. Hurt his knee again in the red river shoot out. I don't know the extent but out of the season doesn't sound very promising.

I've heard that it is another ACL tear.

That would be three years in a row. How unlucky can you get?

Good luck to the young man. He's a hell of a football player. Someone will take a chance on him & I hope he can make the best of it.

bah007
10-12-2008, 10:35 AM
Selvie is a hell of a talent.

But its becoming increasingly obvious to me that Orakpo is the best pass rushing end in the draft.

6 tackles (4 TFL), 2 sacks, & 1 FF going up against one of the top OT's in the country.

For the year, he has 23 tackles, 10 TFL, 7.5 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, & 6 QB hurries.

-3rd in the country in sacks
-2nd in the country in forced fumbles
-9th in the country in tackles for loss

TexansSeminole
10-12-2008, 12:23 PM
Selvie is a hell of a talent.

But its becoming increasingly obvious to me that Orakpo is the best pass rushing end in the draft.

6 tackles (4 TFL), 2 sacks, & 1 FF going up against one of the top OT's in the country.

For the year, he has 23 tackles, 10 TFL, 7.5 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, & 6 QB hurries.

-3rd in the country in sacks
-2nd in the country in forced fumbles
-9th in the country in tackles for loss

Yea, he was dominating in that game. I still stick by my comment about taking a play or two off. Either way, the guy is a good player.

LonerATO
10-12-2008, 12:46 PM
He looked like a freaking beast yesterday and was tearing it up. I would love to have him on this team but he could get snatched up before we get a chance to pick.

wolf123
10-13-2008, 08:24 PM
I just don't see Suggs getting that level of money. I see him in the mid 50-million range with roughly 20 million guaranteed.

At that range he'd be one of the least paid paid players at his position and he's an elite talent. Teams will be willing to unload the bank because he's only 25

mussop
10-15-2008, 01:27 AM
Julio Jones (the top WR in the nation and the best looking WR I've seen since AJ in college;

I guess you forgot about Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson. Both were better looking prospects than AJ IMO. You could argue that Larry Fitzgerald was also because of his hands.

YoungTexanFan
10-15-2008, 05:09 PM
I guess you forgot about Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson. Both were better looking prospects than AJ IMO. You could argue that Larry Fitzgerald was also because of his hands.

I'll give you CJ, but not Williams. Julio is going to be that level of prospect though.

mussop
10-15-2008, 06:22 PM
I'll give you CJ, but not Williams. Julio is going to be that level of prospect though.

The only Knock on Williams that I can remember was that he was injured a couple of times. Nothing major though. AJ had a rep of dropping easy passes wich knocked him down a few nothces as a prospect. Overall they were pretty close. C Johnson was the best WR prospect i have ever seen and i have been watching the draft long before it became the cool thing to do.

I also like this Julio kid but i want to see him against better competition in big games before i declare him that level.

Corrosion
10-15-2008, 06:58 PM
Who's the top OC and OG not including underclassmen.

steelbtexan
10-15-2008, 07:02 PM
Who's the top OC and OG not including underclassmen.

G Robinson from OU

C Mack from CAL

bah007
10-15-2008, 08:05 PM
Max Unger from Oregon is a good Center too.

I've heard in some places that he could play tackle though.

mussop
10-15-2008, 08:19 PM
G Robinson from OU

C Mack from CAL

100% AGREE!!! By far!

Corrosion
10-16-2008, 03:15 PM
You win up front .... the guy's in the backfield cant produce if your line cant protect. WTB interior linemen in the upcoming draft and FA.

beerlover
10-16-2008, 06:00 PM
the problem with taking interior linemen is that you can usually find some good fits later, case in point New Orleans got Carl Nicks, Nebraska in the 5th rd. alot of posters here including ytf thought highly of him but the Texans passed him by 4th & 5th rds. already he is entrenched as the Saints starting LG, not bad & he doesn't look bad out there with the big boys as a rookie imagine how good he's going to be.....:thinking:

Duke is a similar player in terms of strength & size. might be worth a look with the Texans 2nd rd. pick but he is a big boy for the ZBS.

threetoedpete
10-18-2008, 01:45 PM
G Robinson from OU

C Mack from CAL

Mike Mayock really banged the OU o-line hard last week...." they are all day two guys"..His words not mine. I think he's under rated the Texas DTs myself.

There are three centers on the board with first round potential grades in the preseason. Very rare for one to go off the board in the first . Much less three before the third.

I believe they are going to do with Myers what they did with Tim Bullman. The only way he gets out of there is if he is hurt. It's going to be very hard for him to play his way out of starting center.

threetoedpete
10-18-2008, 01:52 PM
I guess you forgot about Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson. Both were better looking prospects than AJ IMO. You could argue that Larry Fitzgerald was also because of his hands.

I agree with this.. Andre Johnson wasn't a natural hands catcher when he came out. He's made him self into one though. A lot of hard work went into snatching the ball over the head of the Miami DB on that fourth and ten play last week. The ball was short and he just decided bad throw or not he was going to make the play. And he did.

YoungTexanFan
10-19-2008, 11:29 PM
the problem with taking interior linemen is that you can usually find some good fits later, case in point New Orleans got Carl Nicks, Nebraska in the 5th rd. alot of posters here including ytf thought highly of him but the Texans passed him by 4th & 5th rds. already he is entrenched as the Saints starting LG, not bad & he doesn't look bad out there with the big boys as a rookie imagine how good he's going to be.....:thinking:

Duke is a similar player in terms of strength & size. might be worth a look with the Texans 2nd rd. pick but he is a big boy for the ZBS.

You are right, interior linemen can be found in the middle rounds and it happens that they turn into key pieces for their team (starters). However, that happens with every position. Romo to Warner to Selvin Young to ....

My point is that yeah, it happens, but it happens everywhere else too. Sure, it is a more frequent occurance with interior linemen because very rarely are there guys who are expected to be All-Pros, not with the hope of developing into that calibur, but with the expectance that they are truly that good. That is Robinson.

Maybe I'm just playing devil's advocate, but I really like Duke, even in the ZBS; hell, especially in the ZBS. Do you want to be the LB standing in the zone of Robinson's rail block?

Goldensilence
10-19-2008, 11:54 PM
Watched the OU game this weekend and was trying to look at prospects for this team. I was watching for Loadholt but Lendy Holmes in the secondary was solid. The announcers said he has played CB and FS. Anyone know his projected round?

beerlover
10-20-2008, 10:48 AM
Watched the OU game this weekend and was trying to look at prospects for this team. I was watching for Loadholt but Lendy Holmes in the secondary was solid. The announcers said he has played CB and FS. Anyone know his projected round?

Lendy is a FS, 6ft 200 lbs. looks like he could be another C.C. Brown type who was drafted by the Texans in the 6th rd.

bah007
10-20-2008, 01:09 PM
Lendy Holmes is probably STILL feeling that hit that Quan Cosby put on him in the RRR.