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euro-Texan
09-21-2008, 04:02 PM
like I'm the only one thinking it.

hollywood_texan
09-21-2008, 04:03 PM
Let's merge all these threads and put a sticky on it.

This is going to be the topic for the rest of the season.

gwallaia
09-21-2008, 04:05 PM
I'm not one to jump on the coach's back. But Kubiak is a lousy coach. Poor decision making and piss poor play calling. This is one of the worst coached games I have ever witnessed.

euro-Texan
09-21-2008, 04:06 PM
Not if we fire him today...

hollywood_texan
09-21-2008, 04:10 PM
Not if we fire him today...

I seriously doubt McNair does that. It just doesn't seem like him.

Like your idea though!

Ckw
09-21-2008, 04:12 PM
I really do not get you guys. Our poor excuse for a QB throws 3 picks and 0 tds and we call for the coaches head???? Big things that fall on the coaching, and not all on Kubiak, are the poor challenges (not challenging the play when the receiver was obviously out of bounds) and not running the ball on 2nd and goal.

rollinstone18
09-21-2008, 04:13 PM
Great idea! Let's fire the head coach a week after a hurricane ravaged Houston and forced us to postpone our home opener.

Kubiak and Schaub are conjoined at the hip. If Schaub crashes and burns, Kubiak is likely done.

The Pencil Neck
09-21-2008, 04:14 PM
No way.

Fire Smith.

gwallaia
09-21-2008, 04:15 PM
Fire them and hire who?

J-Russ
09-21-2008, 04:17 PM
Great idea! Let's fire the head coach a week after a hurricane ravaged Houston and forced us to postpone our home opener.

Kubiak and Schaub are conjoined at the hip. If Schaub crashes and burns, Kubiak is likely done.

Add Richard Smith to that and make it a trio. You want to keep those losers around, fine, I just hope McNair won't hesitate to bring the hammer down on your ass too if they sink.

gwallaia
09-21-2008, 04:21 PM
Fire them and hire who?

Never mind, I just found the answer to my question.














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Runner
09-21-2008, 04:22 PM
Our poor excuse for a QB throws 3 picks and 0 tds and we call for the coaches head????

Well he is the QB hand picked by the Texans QB guru - Kubiak.

rollinstone18
09-21-2008, 04:22 PM
Add Richard Smith to that and make it a trio. You want to keep those losers around, fine, I just hope McNair won't hesitate to bring the hammer down on your ass too if they sink.

:blowakiss:

Leahmic223
09-21-2008, 04:24 PM
Add Richard Smith to that and make it a trio. You want to keep those losers around, fine, I just hope McNair won't hesitate to bring the hammer down on your ass too if they sink.

Time out!

Get rid of Schaub and Kubes...okay fine...NOT SMITH. All under Smith.

Slaton, Okoye, Mario, Demeco, hell even Duane Brown is looking okay right now.

New_Texans
09-21-2008, 04:25 PM
Time out!

Get rid of Schaub and Kubes...okay fine...NOT SMITH. All under Smith.

Slaton, Okoye, Mario, Demeco, hell even Duane Brown is looking okay right now.

Bench Schuab.
Fire Smith. Though the D in the 2nd half played well.
Hope Kubiak returns to last season's play calling also, hope that Rosenfels changes things as well.

Ckw
09-21-2008, 04:27 PM
Well he is the QB hand picked by the Texans QB guru - Kubiak.

And he is the same QB who everyone was proclaiming a bonafide star before his injuries last year.

As I said before, I think the injuries have jacked with his head. He does not look comfortable in the pocket. You can't blame Kubiak for picking a QB who truly looked and acted like he had it but has seemingly lost it.

rollinstone18
09-21-2008, 04:27 PM
Bench Schuab.
Fire Smith. Though the D in the 2nd half played well.
Hope Kubiak returns to last season's play calling also, hope that Rosenfels changes things as well.

Is Shanahan calling the plays, or is Kubiak?

J-Russ
09-21-2008, 04:27 PM
Time out!

Get rid of Schaub and Kubes...okay fine...NOT SMITH. All under Smith.

Slaton, Okoye, Mario, Demeco, hell even Duane Brown is looking okay right now.

*cough* Richard Smith *cough*

*Ahhhhhcooo the DC ooooo*

* hack* the succubus who has been draining the blood from our defense and has put Kubiak under some sort of sexual trance, which is why he won't fire him *weez*

Leahmic223
09-21-2008, 04:27 PM
Bench Schuab.
Fire Smith. Though the D in the 2nd half played well.
Hope Kubiak returns to last season's play calling also, hope that Rosenfels changes things as well.

The defense did everything they could to give the offense the game...Even two turnovers where we end up with 6 points...and Smith has done nothing but have solid draft after solid draft.

My pink slip list is...

1. Schaub
2. Kubes
3. Smith

HJam72
09-21-2008, 04:28 PM
Uh-uh.

Kubiak did one thing wrong today. He went for it on 4th down with more than 2 yds. to go like 3 times, not counting the 4th and 10 desperation stuff at the end. The majic number there is 2 yards. I love his guts going for it on 4th down a lot, but not for more than 2 yards. 2.1 is too much.

Actually, he did everything he could offensively to wear out their dominant D-Line and Haynesworth. We ran outside. We bootlegged outside. We actually tired them out a few times, but this team is WEAK on the inside of the line on both sides of the ball. Maybe if Okam was more experienced it would help the D a lot. The other strong side DTs are all too small. Our center is weak. Apparently, our RG is weak. Our core is just plain weak.

Too add insult to injury, Schaub is not at all looking like he is worth the 2 2nd round picks we spent on him. Rosenfels time? I don't know.

Leahmic223
09-21-2008, 04:28 PM
*cough* Richard Smith *cough*

*Ahhhhhcooo the DC ooooo*

* hack* the succubus who has been draining the blood from our defense and has put Kubiak under some sort of sexual trance, which is why he won't fire him *weez*

Lol okay I get them confused a lot sorry...I thought some people were calling for the GMs head for a second XD

ATXtexanfan
09-21-2008, 04:30 PM
Smith, kubes, and schaub would make one hell of a threesome. They all suck beyond belief

spurstexanstros
09-21-2008, 04:32 PM
No..... this thread is may be premature. Give it at least 24 hours and then react. Lets see how they play next week.
10-6 till proven ootherwise

HJam72
09-21-2008, 04:32 PM
I'm fine with losing Richard Smith (our DC), but Kubiak stays. This was not a coaching loss, despite everybody I'm sure freaking out about turnovers on downs. This was a butt-kicking at the line of scrimmage, and I would've been shocked if it hadn't been.

PS-They are also better than our team in other areas, but we're beat before we even get to all of that.

SouthSideTexan
09-21-2008, 04:33 PM
Smith, kubes, and schaub would make one hell of a threesome. They all suck beyond belief

LOL......That was a great one.:spit:

TEXANRED
09-21-2008, 04:34 PM
I'm not one to jump on the coach's back. But Kubiak is a lousy coach. Poor decision making and piss poor play calling. This is one of the worst coached games I have ever witnessed.

You only speak the truth.

This team has talent but that does not mean anything if you can't make the right personnel moves or the right play call.

He's got three strikes against him as QB's go. He couldn't fix Carr, wasted two 2nd's on Schaub, and won't start Sage cus he wasted two 2nd's on Schaub. If this were baseball he would be out.

HardcoreTexan
09-21-2008, 04:35 PM
Rosenfels for President:texflag:

TEXANRED
09-21-2008, 04:36 PM
Smith, kubes, and schaub would make one hell of a threesome. They all suck beyond belief

I don't see how Smith fits into all of this. Smith has done a good job of buying the groceries and stocking the pantry. It's Kubiak that keeps burning the Chicken.

Leahmic223
09-21-2008, 04:37 PM
i'm fine with keeping Kubes...it is Schaub I worry about...

Like I said...Defense gave the offense SEVERAL oppurunties o take the lead...and then come back...offense never got it done.

Usually people say "well we need a running game to pass." we had one this game...and the passing game was just horrible. I'm starting to think it's better to go with Sage...draft a young guy from College and let him watch Sage for a season or two...

I honestly think this is our best option...

HJam72
09-21-2008, 04:37 PM
I don't see how Smith fits into all of this. Smith has done a good job of buying the groceries and stocking the pantry. It's Kubiak that keeps burning the Chicken.

They mean the DC I'm sure. I still say Kubiak is not the problem.

euro-Texan
09-21-2008, 05:59 PM
They mean the DC I'm sure. I still say Kubiak is not the problem.

I almost understand the 4th down play against the Steelers, but come on this isn't a Madden NFL game. Get three points and keep the game close. Pathetic coaching. No excuse!

Texans_Chick
09-21-2008, 06:20 PM
Well he is the QB hand picked by the Texans QB guru - Kubiak.

What were the choices?

Keep Carr? Should have drafted Vince Young? Get Jake Plummer who plays team handball these days?

With the offensive line play that the Texans have had this season against physical defenses, I am not sure that anyone does better back there. Including Sage (see pukey link (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29425&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG16)).

I am afraid that neither Schaub or Rosenfels are the real franchise answer for the team. They are the guys we have.

When confronted with a bunch of problems - line play, poor QBing, pass dropping, etc--you can either junk the QB, or try to see if the guys you have can get more in sync. No easy choices.

hollywood_texan
09-21-2008, 06:27 PM
What were the choices?

Keep Carr? Should have drafted Vince Young? Get Jake Plummer who plays team handball these days?

With the offensive line play that the Texans have had this season against physical defenses, I am not sure that anyone does better back there. Including Sage (see pukey link (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29425&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG16)).

I am afraid that neither Schaub or Rosenfels are the real franchise answer for the team. They are the guys we have.

When confronted with a bunch of problems - line play, poor QBing, pass dropping, etc--you can either junk the QB, or try to see if the guys you have can get more in sync. No easy choices.

First, they didn't have to do the Schaub trade.

Second, it seems the Texans have the same problems since 2002.

What are Kubiak's strengths anyway? Please point them out because I am not seeing them.

The Texans are treading very close to being like the Cardinals.

Runner
09-21-2008, 06:34 PM
What were the choices?

Keep Carr? No! Should have drafted Vince Young? No! Get Jake Plummer who plays team handball these days?

With the offensive line play that the Texans have had this season against physical defenses, I am not sure that anyone does better back there. Including Sage (see pukey link (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29425&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG16)).

I am afraid that neither Schaub or Rosenfels are the real franchise answer for the team. They are the guys we have.

When confronted with a bunch of problems - line play, poor QBing, pass dropping, etc--you can either junk the QB, or try to see if the guys you have can get more in sync. No easy choices.

I'm not the expert - Kubiak is. He was hailed as a QB guru and he paid a high price for a QB who didn't have to earn the starting job. I'm pointing out that he shares in responsibility for how Schaub performs. It might be said that Schaub's success defines Kubiak's head coaching stint with the Texans.

I think a few teams have done more with less at QB in the time that Kubiak has had. If Smith is the front office wizard as he is perceived, and Kubiak is a QB specialist, there should be more success. When I see a vet like Warner get signed back out of obscurity, I wonder why our brain trust can't do better. I have a suspicion that if a Kurt Warner type was here, he wouldn't be given the opportunity to take over for a struggling young quarterback anyway.

Brando
09-21-2008, 06:38 PM
I think it's a little premature to fire Kubiak at this point. That being said there were some very questionable play calling and decisions out there today.

hollywood_texan
09-21-2008, 06:41 PM
I think it's a little premature to fire Kubiak at this point. That being said there were some very questionable play calling and decisions out there today.

It's starting to really lean that direction.

Sure, McNair could wait till the end of next season, but they can't afford to not look at the handwriting on the wall.

awtysst
09-21-2008, 06:44 PM
Is Kubes calling the plays? I was under the impression that Shanny Jr was?

Texans_Chick
09-21-2008, 06:46 PM
I'm not the expert - Kubiak is. He was hailed as a QB guru and he paid a high price for a QB who didn't have to earn the starting job. I'm pointing out that he shares in responsibility for how Schaub performs. It might be said that Schaub's success defines Kubiak's head coaching stint with the Texans.

I think a few teams have done more with less at QB in the time that Kubiak has had. If Smith is the front office wizard as he is perceived, and Kubiak is a QB specialist, there should be more success. When I see a vet like Warner get signed back out of obscurity, I wonder why our brain trust can't do better. I have a suspicion that if a Kurt Warner type was here, he wouldn't be given the opportunity to take over for a struggling young quarterback anyway.

Carr looked better....at first.

Schaub looks good...only when he has time.

This to me does not look like 2005...at least with the offense. They are taking shots downfield.

The Titans defense is good. They make a lot of good offenses look bad. An offense that doesn't have its stuff together is going to have a long day.

Brando
09-21-2008, 06:47 PM
Is Kubes calling the plays? I was under the impression that Shanny Jr was?


That's what I was going to ask. Does the play call go from Shanahan through Kubiak to Schaub?

beerlover
09-21-2008, 06:48 PM
everyone needs to relax & wait a couple days to post after cooling down :cool:

Koolaid Time
09-21-2008, 06:50 PM
Hey, we have fired Offensive Coordinators early in the season before....

Keep Kubiak.

Fire Shanny

TexansSeminole
09-21-2008, 06:53 PM
What were the choices?

Well, like someone said above, we didn't have to make the Schaub trade.

Obviously it is hindsight but we could have used those two second rounders to fill a couple holes that we are absolutely bleeding from at this point. Or perhaps draft a QB to groom.

We all trusted Kubiak's decision making after hearing, watching, and reading about his past.

We could have grabbed a veteran QB and had our guys learn how to run this system with a QB who can actually play, rather than a QB who is still learning the basics of quarterbacking.

It stunts every other offensive players' growth when you've got a QB that spends most of his first year as a starter on the injury list and absolutely sucks in the first 2 games of his second season.

Again, it is hindsight. But at the same time, we wouldn't have to look at it that way if our coach was the QB guru we thought he was.

Runner
09-21-2008, 07:05 PM
This to me does not look like 2005...at least with the offense. They are taking shots downfield.



I don't think they are as bad as the 2005 team. I'm not sure they are as good as the 2004 team.

Corrosion
09-21-2008, 07:09 PM
Hey, we have fired Offensive Coordinators early in the season before....

Keep Kubiak.

Fire Shanny

That might not be such a bad idea , last season the offense looked a lot better and it was Kubiak calling the plays and coaching Schaub ....


If you toss Dick Smith into that deal .... I'm on board.

dalemurphy
09-21-2008, 07:37 PM
Kubiak has proven himself to not be a good NFL coach- I don't think he should be fired until after this season is over- and then only if we are a disappointment, which I'm feeling good about us being.

1. Keeping Richard Smith on as DC

2. some of the moves to fill out the 53 man roster examples (keeping Ferguson, Salaam, Weaver, Studdard and dropping guys like Frye, who should probably be starting at RG, Fletcher, Foley...

3. His total inability to manage a game as seen clearly in his choices today with timeouts, going for 4th downs, and especially challenges. Is he really dumb enough not to realize that perhaps Tennessee is rushing to the line for a reason?... how about burning a timeout if you're worried about wasting a challenge... he sure had no problems burning through them in the second half.

4. The fact that we are out-schemed consistantly on both sides of the ball.

5. Our players aren't ready to play. AJ looked disinterested. Clearly the oline wasn't ready to play, Winston included.

jdog
09-21-2008, 07:39 PM
I really do not get you guys. Our poor excuse for a QB throws 3 picks and 0 tds and we call for the coaches head???? Big things that fall on the coaching, and not all on Kubiak, are the poor challenges (not challenging the play when the receiver was obviously out of bounds) and not running the ball on 2nd and goal.

Sorry but the coach is a quarterback specialist brought in to save Carr but can't save Carr. We dump Carr and trade 2 2nd round picks for Schaub, and he's playing like crap after significant time with the quarterback "guru". I think it's fair to blame Kubiak for poor QB play.

MEGA SWATT
09-21-2008, 07:49 PM
Keep Kubiak, bench schauby-boy, start Sage, and fix our ground attack.

Don't ask me how to get a running game either.

Oh, kubiak needs to throw the red flag on his own w/out waiting for the bastards upstairs to tell him to do it. The sideline catch and the goal line-L. White non-breakage of the plane should have been reviewed.

b0ng
09-21-2008, 07:55 PM
Keep Kubiak, bench schauby-boy, start Sage, and fix our ground attack.

Don't ask me how to get a running game either.

Oh, kubiak needs to throw the red flag on his own w/out waiting for the bastards upstairs to tell him to do it. The sideline catch and the goal line-L. White non-breakage of the plane should have been reviewed.

So we have a running back run for 117 yards and our ground game needs fixing? Against one of the best run defenses in the NFL?

What are you smoking, can I have some the hurricane made me smoke my stash.

MEGA SWATT
09-21-2008, 08:00 PM
So we have a running back run for 117 yards and our ground game needs fixing? Against one of the best run defenses in the NFL?

What are you smoking, can I have some the hurricane made me smoke my stash.

One decent game from a rookie does not fix our lack of a running threat. I like Slaton, but he is undersized and under-experienced.

I don't do drugs, never have, never will...not funny.

LonerATO
09-21-2008, 08:12 PM
Shanny should not have been moved to OC at all during the offseason. i didnt like this move at all even thought I never posted anything about it in these forums I have felt that we should have picked someone else or brought someone else in.

worldlyman
09-21-2008, 08:12 PM
Not ready to quite give up on Schaub. If Slaton can keep improving, it'll help Schaub get back into a groove.

It took NO LESS than 2 FULL seasons before guys like Troy Aikman, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon made their teams into playoff contenders. Everyone wants an instant Romo but can't admit our team doesn't have ALL the tools yet, the way he had.

After the Texans get some wins after this soon to be 0-3 start (after Jags game), they'll begin to resume improvement.

Let's not forget that our Texans were in position to make the score 24-19...just about back into the ballgame. They played quite better than Week 1. Titans have a Super Bowl level D and that's just how it can go on a Sunday.

Bandwagon fairweather criticisms of Schaub were that he's "glass" or "fragile" but so far he's weathered better than than Brady and Roethlisberger. And Schaub's taken a considerable pounding in 2 games!

At least Matt's competing. It's just too bad the Texans are going up against uber-physical teams to start off, not to mention the post-storm's difficulties.

Nah. I'm realistic. First 3 of 4 on the road against rugged teams? C,mon. I had the Texans at 7-9 to 9-7 this season. I think things will get better.

At home, Texans are actually better equipped to go against Colts for first win in just a couple weeks.

LonerATO
09-21-2008, 08:25 PM
Fouts had a great D to cover is butt as well as two of the best wr's at the time and Kdub. We do nothing in the RZ every single season and I have an issue with that

TEXANRED
09-21-2008, 10:51 PM
Bill Cowher anyone?

How about Wade Phillips after he gets fired after this year?

LonerATO
09-21-2008, 10:59 PM
I dont think Bill would come at all but I would see Wade

TexansSeminole
09-21-2008, 10:59 PM
Bill Cowher anyone?

How about Wade Phillips after he gets fired after this year?

I think all of us would take Bill Cowher over Kubiak in a heart beat. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that he was very happy with his current situation and was not really considering coaching next year. Take it for what it's worth, which is probably nothing.

Second Honeymoon
09-21-2008, 11:17 PM
I endorse this thread fully. I would have started it myself but looks like I am not the only guy who feels this way now.

just a flatliner and a bad decision maker...and needless to say his coaching staff that he assembled is pretty much garbage outside of Rhodes, Marciano, and Gibbs.

HIRE COWHER. NOW before people start running at him. Luckily, Fox looks to have righted the Panthers ship and that was his most likely destination this coming offseason if the Panthers faltered. St. Louis, Oakland, Kansas City, Cleveland and Cincinnati all look to probably have coaching vacancies this offseason and then you have Holmgren retiring from Paul Allen's Seahawks. It may be beneficial to court this guy before it starts getting too crowded.

We need to get someone who is already a proven winner and someone who can truly lead a franchise. I think the team and the fans need someone they can believe in and not just some unproven commodity. It's pretty obvious that Kubiak does a poor job getting the team fired up and ready to play. They come out flatlining and with very little emotion. Couple that with Kubiak's inability to make wise game time decisions and it spells disaster.

The team is just simply not competitive and it starts up top. Hopefully they fix things soon because they are looking like a 3 or 4 win team right now.

One thing is for sure is that it was still nice to watch my Texans this Sunday. Living a 3rd World existence for a week makes you appreciate the little things I guess. Thoughts and prayers go out to those still affected by Hurricane Ike and God bless all the civil servants and utility workers. This storm kicked our butts but we are getting right up and dusting ourself off. We aren't going to cry and whine to the government to clean up the mess and take care of ourselves. We are from Texas, damnit, and we take care of our own and our neighbor. I have never been more proud to be a Texan than when I saw our street come together and make living off the grid a badge of honor. I tell you one thing, I hope to never hear another generator again.

Wolf
09-21-2008, 11:23 PM
Bill Cowher anyone?

How about Wade Phillips after he gets fired after this year?

I wouldn't want wade, because that would mean we would switch back to 3-4 and it isn't that I don't like the 3-4, it is just we have to switch the type of personnel again

Texan JBZ
09-21-2008, 11:45 PM
I know that everyone wants to bench Schaub and start Sage, but I'm not one of them. His WRs dropped 3, not 2, 3 TDs today. Andre dropped 2, and K Walt dropped one in endzone that he had in his hands. If the WRs pull those passes down, it's a different game. The team also had like 6 or 7 dropped passes today. The 1st INT was a bad throw by Schaub and a great play by the defender. The other two were on 4th down plays were he was pressured and try to do too much. I'm not that down on Schaub. Toward the end of the game the pass protection went down the toilet. KVB was owning Brown and the Titans were getting a good rush straight up the middle. The middle of our line, excluding Pitts, is extra weak right now. Bring back Fred Weary!

Kubes needs to start putting his real offensive playmakers on the field. David Anderson had a good preseason, but has done absolutely nothing the first two games. Bring Jacoby back in. At least teams have to account for his speed. He can't do any worse than Anderson right now. What happend to Joel Dressen? Why isn't Chris Taylor getting any red zone carries? I like Slaton's toughness, but Taylor is a bigger back that should be able to move the pile more. Kubiak's personnel decisions are what have plagued the Texans over the first two games. That, and horrible playcalling!

Sage may or may not be the answer. I don't know. None of us know. I do know this though. We have offensive playmakers getting a lot of pine-time right now and it needs to change.

dalemurphy
09-21-2008, 11:55 PM
Not ready to quite give up on Schaub. If Slaton can keep improving, it'll help Schaub get back into a groove.

It took NO LESS than 2 FULL seasons before guys like Troy Aikman, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon made their teams into playoff contenders. Everyone wants an instant Romo but can't admit our team doesn't have ALL the tools yet, the way he had.

After the Texans get some wins after this soon to be 0-3 start (after Jags game), they'll begin to resume improvement.

Let's not forget that our Texans were in position to make the score 24-19...just about back into the ballgame. They played quite better than Week 1. Titans have a Super Bowl level D and that's just how it can go on a Sunday.

Bandwagon fairweather criticisms of Schaub were that he's "glass" or "fragile" but so far he's weathered better than than Brady and Roethlisberger. And Schaub's taken a considerable pounding in 2 games!

At least Matt's competing. It's just too bad the Texans are going up against uber-physical teams to start off, not to mention the post-storm's difficulties.

Nah. I'm realistic. First 3 of 4 on the road against rugged teams? C,mon. I had the Texans at 7-9 to 9-7 this season. I think things will get better.

At home, Texans are actually better equipped to go against Colts for first win in just a couple weeks.


are you kidding me? that coaching staff will dismantle us on both side of the ball. Granted, if guys like Mario, Demeco, AJ all make some plays then we might be in the game but that's what we're reduced to... Hoping our stars make plays to keep us in games because our staff is pretty poor!

leebigeztx
09-22-2008, 01:11 AM
One thing the titans should show the texans is stabilityy. Fisher had 3 8-8 seasons before the superbowl breakthrough. They had a couple of poor seasons, a power struggle and some knuckleheads and bud stuck with him. The non red flag incident hurt. Kubes couldve called a t.o., and got a better look. They lost to a good team on the road, that's it. I know people would rather lose to anyone but the titans, but sometimes u can't control that. All that said, jax and indy has 2 losses.

HoustonFrog
09-22-2008, 08:16 AM
My problem with Kubes has been decision making wise at critical junctures. He will challenege plays that are way too close to overturn yet he will let the Titans basically land on a pass out of bounds and watch them hustle, knowing it was a close play and not call challenge. then he won't challenge a TD run. Then he goes for it on 4th and 4 when you need points and there is a quarter left. He just seems slow on the gun.

Texan_Bill
09-22-2008, 08:27 AM
Hell, don't stop there... AJ had three drops (2 should have been TD's). Did DeMeco have one tackle at or behind the line of scrimmage? Save a couple of plays, where was Mario all day? Did Okoye play?? Nice whiff Diles. etc., etc., etc....

:rolleyes:


It was a bad day for everyone. From Kubiak down to the water boys.

HJam72
09-22-2008, 08:45 AM
One thing the titans should show the texans is stabilityy. Fisher had 3 8-8 seasons before the superbowl breakthrough. They had a couple of poor seasons, a power struggle and some knuckleheads and bud stuck with him. The non red flag incident hurt. Kubes couldve called a t.o., and got a better look. They lost to a good team on the road, that's it. I know people would rather lose to anyone but the titans, but sometimes u can't control that. All that said, jax and indy has 2 losses.

Why not just throw the flag? Worst case scenario is you lose the time-out you were just talking about. Fact is, I don't think Kubiak saw it and the guys upstairs didn't have time to watch it and radio him. Meanwhile, crafty coach Fisher had his offense running down the field to run a play as quickly as possible--THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN THE TIPOFF THAT HAD KUBIAK RUNNING OUT ONTO THE FIELD AND THROWING A BOMB OF A RED FLAG, but I don't think most coaches would've caught on to that either. They should, but they don't ever seem to.

You're definitely right that that play hurt us bad. Never should've happened. That should be an offensive interference call on the Titans every freaking time, but that's our NFL refs for ya.

Porky
09-22-2008, 11:51 AM
I'm not ready to fire Kubes YET, but he is teetering at this point. It's kind of a shame, because like Capers, he is by all accounts a good man and a solid native Houstonian. I want this guy to succeed.

And the same goes for Schaub. I want to see these guys succeed. If they don't, it's puts us back yet AGAIN.

Having said that, Schaub looks to have regressed significantly from last year. Were I the coach, I would start Sage next week, let Schaub watch from the sidelines and see what happens. If Sage does no better, it's easy to put Schaub back in and just say he needed a week or two to right the ship. If he does very well....dems the brakes. Just ask Wally Pip.

I think that Kubes has too much invested in Schaub to pull the plug at this point. If Schaub is the SS Titanic, I have a feeling Kubes will be the good Captain who tries to rearrange the deck chairs and have the symphony play while the ship sinks. And like the Captian on the Titanic, he will go down with his ship until the bitter end.

I haven't even gotten into the VERY poor coaching yesterday. The ingame management, decision making, play calling on offense, and the predictable defense were all problems. I could detail each area, but for now, I will leave it here.

For me, Kubiak now goes on a short leash. If he wants to keep his job he needs to throw his anchors (DC and OC) overboard, and avoid the iceburg up ahead, but will he?? My sense is I really doubt it.

Polo
09-22-2008, 01:46 PM
From Kubes:

(on going for it on fourth downs) “Even if we kick a field goal, we are still two scores away. So I felt good. We need to be aggressive as a football team and work through this. We called zone coverage; we had a screen on. I feel pretty good about the play. I think it was fourth-and-four, but we didn’t get one of our guys out. One of our linemen out got held up, which that stuff happens. And they made the play. I’d be aggressive there again. Plus, I’d have to admit that I was very concerned there after watching the ball roll back there a couple times from a snap standpoint. So it concerned me.”

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4653

I can kinda understand that decision now....I probably still would have kicked it though...

leebigeztx
09-22-2008, 01:47 PM
I still the identity of the team is missing right now. I mean we have a mid line passer with small o-linemen. On defense we have 1 and 2 gap lineman!o really we have neither. We don't lb's that are good cover guys nor are the safeties good cover guys.

Where is the quick slant game to setup the slugo (slant and go)? That is the basic route of the west coast offense which sets th tempo ,timing and the deep digs later. Johnson is a body catcher, so the slant route is his favorite route. Slaton played well, the playcalling couldve been better.

On defense, Maio could be good in any scheme, Okoye is a 1 gapper, tj tries to be one, okam is a 2 gapper and weaver sux. What makes the titans defense good is Kearse and KVB get upfield while haynesworth and brown push up the midldle.So now the qb is in the phone booth which is very,very uncomfortable. The texans just need to keep building the team and move forward.

bollocks
09-22-2008, 01:47 PM
Kubiak definitely needs to get it together. For someone who's regarded as an offensive genius...our offense looks lost and pathetic. Granted, it doesn't help that Schaub's a putz (I've about had it with him) and that the defense can't even stop a 35 year old Kerry Collins from running up and down the field. None-the-less, It's starting to look like Sherman was the real reason for our offensive effectiveness last season. I say we let Kubes finish out the season, anything less than 8-8 and we give Schottenheimer a call.

Porky
09-22-2008, 02:09 PM
Kubiak definitely needs to get it together. For someone who's regarded as an offensive genius...our offense looks lost and pathetic. Granted, it doesn't help that Schaub's a putz (I've about had it with him) and that the defense can't even stop a 35 year old Kerry Collins from running up and down the field. None-the-less, It's starting to look like Sherman was the real reason for our offensive effectiveness last season. I say we let Kubes finish out the season, anything less than 8-8 and we give Schottenheimer a call.

Interesting point about Sherman. What I would like to know is - who is calling the plays? Is it the boy Wonder, or Batman? If it's Robin, why is a 28 yr old with no experience calling plays? Kubes needs to take the Offense over. If he is going down with the ship, he at least needs to be the one at the controls.

Secondly, I would take Shotty although he is extremely conservative, but I would much rather have Bill Cowher. This team would immediately become tougher and much more physical, and we need a huge shot of both because this team is softer than angelsoft toilet tissue, and plays like it.

Vinny
09-22-2008, 02:13 PM
From Kubes:

(on going for it on fourth downs) “Even if we kick a field goal, we are still two scores away. So I felt good. We need to be aggressive as a football team and work through this. We called zone coverage; we had a screen on. I feel pretty good about the play. I think it was fourth-and-four, but we didn’t get one of our guys out. One of our linemen out got held up, which that stuff happens. And they made the play. I’d be aggressive there again. Plus, I’d have to admit that I was very concerned there after watching the ball roll back there a couple times from a snap standpoint. So it concerned me.”

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4653

I can kinda understand that decision now....I probably still would have kicked it though...
it was the 3rd quarter....sure we were two scores away at that point but if you do the math, you have plenty of time left to kick another field goal (we were in place for that but the first decision screwed the opportunity to come within one score with a FG when we went for it in the 4th quarter) and get a TD late in the game.

So, he is ok with bad strategy and had no confidence in his kicking game along with no confidence that he could get "two scores" on the titans with an entire quarter left...nice. We need a better coach....one that understands strategy.

mootini
09-22-2008, 02:22 PM
I thought this thread was a joke...but you guys really asking for his head already? Same on you... Kubs is a winner. It takes time to build a solid team and you're almost there. I wish the Jags had AJ and Mario.

Vinny
09-22-2008, 02:24 PM
I thought this thread was a joke...but you guys really asking for his head already? Same on you... Kubs is a winner. It takes time to build a solid team and you're almost there. I wish the Jags had AJ and Mario.What's Kubes record as a head coach and then explain what being a winner is for me.

dalemurphy
09-22-2008, 02:27 PM
it was the 3rd quarter....sure we were two scores away at that point but if you do the math, you have plenty of time left to kick another field goal (we were in place for that but the first decision screwed the opportunity to come within one score with a FG when we went for it in the 4th quarter) and get a TD late in the game.

So, he is ok with bad strategy and had no confidence in his kicking game along with no confidence that he could get "two scores" on the titans with an entire quarter left...nice. We need a better coach....one that understands strategy.


Vinny, I'm afraid you'r right. I think it's possible that we're overreacting. Certainly, though, he's been badly outcoached each of the first two games and seems unable to manage games.

NOT GOOD!

mootini
09-22-2008, 02:34 PM
You guys played against some of the best defensive teams in the NFL.

HOU-TEX
09-22-2008, 02:36 PM
You guys played against some of the best defensive teams in the NFL.

So does the rest of the NFL. Do they look as inept? NO!

BeerTastesLikeVictory
09-22-2008, 02:37 PM
What's Kubes record as a head coach and then explain what being a winner is for me.

As stupid as it sounds, I would like to see someone with a little more fire in their belly. Maybe they are a little too optimistic for me. Its not all doom and gloom but how about getting a little pissed and letting me know you are frusterated with the state of the team. We need someone who will eventually be used in a Coors light comerical.

Runner
09-22-2008, 02:46 PM
You guys played against some of the best defensive teams in the NFL.

I want the the Texans to do more than be competitive with the J.V.

Blake
09-22-2008, 02:55 PM
So does the rest of the NFL. Do they look as inept? NO!

Good point. I saw the Eagles smack the Steelers offense in the mouth and hold them to 6 points. The same offense that had Ben Roe, Heins Ward and Willie Parker laughing on the sideline by the end of the third against us.

I would like to see us play a game with Sage at the helm. Maybe even a new HC.

Double Barrel
09-22-2008, 03:49 PM
Kubiak has proven himself to not be a good NFL coach- I don't think he should be fired until after this season is over- and then only if we are a disappointment, which I'm feeling good about us being.

1. Keeping Richard Smith on as DC

2. some of the moves to fill out the 53 man roster examples (keeping Ferguson, Salaam, Weaver, Studdard and dropping guys like Frye, who should probably be starting at RG, Fletcher, Foley...

3. His total inability to manage a game as seen clearly in his choices today with timeouts, going for 4th downs, and especially challenges. Is he really dumb enough not to realize that perhaps Tennessee is rushing to the line for a reason?... how about burning a timeout if you're worried about wasting a challenge... he sure had no problems burning through them in the second half.

4. The fact that we are out-schemed consistantly on both sides of the ball.

5. Our players aren't ready to play. AJ looked disinterested. Clearly the oline wasn't ready to play, Winston included.

Good post, DM.

I'm not ready to fire Kubiak, yet...BUT, I say a fire should be lit under his seat at this point. It's not the losing that gets to us, it's the way we lose that disheartens a fanbase. He's getting out-coached out there, and he doesn't have this team prepared to compete. Those are two mortals sins to a head coach's career.

But, I seriously doubt McNair fires him after this season, even if we sport a lousy record. They'll probably put up a sacrificial lamb like Richard Smith to appease the fans. But Kubiak will be here in 2009, good, bad, or ugly. That's just how our owner rolls.

Thorn
09-22-2008, 03:54 PM
But Kubiak will be here in 2009, good, bad, or ugly. That's just how our owner rolls.

The owner likes nice guys of good character. He will continue to run this franchise in that manner as long as he is the owner. We will just have to live with it because he isn't going to hire a loud mouth hard ass as a head coach no matter how much we want or the organization (might) need it.

While I am not happy with where we are, I still believe Kubiak and Smith will eventually get us there, just not in our timeframe, but in theirs.

Second Honeymoon
09-22-2008, 03:55 PM
DB,

don't count on it. kubiak may not get a 4th year if this trend of play continues and especially if some high profile guys become available.

the Texans have yet to make a big splash in the NFL and nothing would change that more than going out and giving a Cowher or a Jimmy Johnson or even a Schottenheimer, the big $$ and getting them to come here and coach.

Kubiak is a scrub of a coach and the dude just doesnt inspire his troops well enough to be anything more than an average NFL head coach...and that may even be a stretch. his gameplanning sucks, he doesnt inspire or get the guys fired up and ready, his talent evaluation is spotty at best, and he has NEVER done it before. I think we need someone who has what it takes and him being a nice guy and a Houston means absolutely NOTHING to me and it shouldnt mean anything to anyone who wants to win either. Give me someone who has proven he can do it....this trial stuff is getting old and it looks like Kubiak has already failed to turn 2 prospects into capable QBs....screw the guy. Gary, its over.

McNair knows that he is losing the fans in this city especially due to the way they are losing and its quite obvious that Kubiak has no clue on what it takes to be a head coach. He is consistently outcoached and is constantly playing from behind. the team sucks, the coaching sucks, and the whole organization sucks at the moment...top to bottom. Kubiak lost my respect when he didn't can Richard Smith this offseason. How can you bring a scrub like that back to coach your defense.....screw Kubiak and the horse he rode in on.

FIRE KUBIAK NOW!!

Double Barrel
09-22-2008, 04:16 PM
The owner likes nice guys of good character. He will continue to run this franchise in that manner as long as he is the owner. We will just have to live with it because he isn't going to hire a loud mouth hard ass as a head coach no matter how much we want or the organization (might) need it.

While I am not happy with where we are, I still believe Kubiak and Smith will eventually get us there, just not in our timeframe, but in theirs.

McNair needs to worry less about how a player looks in a uniform and instead be concerned with how they play in that uni (remember all the stories about how great Green looked and how cut he was in uniform?!). It is myopic to sign an old player like Green and hope for the best. That dude wouldn't last a training camp on the roster at a team like the Cowboys, much less get signed for $24 million (or whatever the number was).

Our owner seems more concerned with making money than winning at this point. I will forever appreciate him bringing pro football back to Houston. But, there is a certain point where we have a right of expectations as a fanbase. McNair hired Casserly and Capers, and it was failure. And now we have unproven Kubiak with his unproven brigade of coordinators, and they can't even get this team to compete, much less challenge other teams. I see regression where we should be seeing progression. It is the Cardinals of the AFC at this point. The owner has to carry some of that responsibility at the end of the day.

yeah, I'm [/venting], but what the hell...after watching that effort (or lack of) yesterday, we ALL have a right to blow off steam right now. That was a pathetic performance, to say the least.

DB,

don't count on it. kubiak may not get a 4th year if this trend of play continues and especially if some high profile guys become available.


I don't know, man. As much as fans would like to see the big name coach, I'm just not sure it's in our owner's DNA. Not only the ability to hire a strong personality like a Cowher, but to also throw the money at him, and more importantly, give up on the current regime so quickly. Remember, this is the same owner that coddled HWSNBN after the fanbase, team, and media had already figured him out. I think McNair is more concerned with public relations and how that impacts ticket/merch sales if he were to make a 'controversial' move and fire a HC after three seasons.

I'm a bit miffed by the continued employment of Richard Smith, too. That soft cover 2 crap gives 10-15 yards away on way too many plays. But here we are, once again, watching teams march down the field because our schemes and play-calling is weak, and players are out-of-position and not ready to compete against our opponents. It's like Groundhog Day sometimes.

Drew_Smoke
09-22-2008, 04:18 PM
What are you smoking, can I have some the hurricane made me smoke my stash.


That is funny. I bought a 60 day supply as I knew FEMA wouldn't have any.

GP
09-22-2008, 04:24 PM
The owner likes nice guys of good character. He will continue to run this franchise in that manner as long as he is the owner. We will just have to live with it because he isn't going to hire a loud mouth hard ass as a head coach no matter how much we want or the organization (might) need it.

While I am not happy with where we are, I still believe Kubiak and Smith will eventually get us there, just not in our timeframe, but in theirs.

Disagree.

Kubiak stopped the bleeding, and that's about it. He's a guy who, unfortunately for Gary Kubiak, sets up the next guy who comes along.

Kubiak is a coordinator, not a guy who can see the full spectrum of the HC job and really apply himself to the perfection of each unit (Offense, Defense, Special Teams).

His handling of QBs in Denver, with the Texas "heritage" angle of being a Texan, and the idea that he has served a long time in the league and was going to start getting offers pretty soon...that's what made McNair pull the trigger.

McNair, IMO, is a guy who thinks of public relations FIRST and winning games is a distant second. He thinks you can do BOTH at the same time.

Well, news flash, Bob: You gotta' be a little ruthless in the NFL if you want to win. I keep coming back to the guy I used to dislike (but have recently turned to admire...a little...) Jerry Jones: Dude wants to win, dude is not afraid of public image, dude takes risks DAILY in how he handles player acquisitions, and dude is starting to hit paydirt again like he did with Jimmy Johnson & Crew.

If we tank this season, Kubiak has to go. And Rick Smith better be a manly GM and do the hit himself. We already see that Rick Smith has a firm grasp on overhauling a team. Rick Smith, if given a really good HC, could be dynamite.

I think Rick Smith and Joe Marciano are the two biggest assets we have. Both have seemed to have done well with what they were given.

TexansSeminole
09-22-2008, 06:40 PM
Well, news flash, Bob: You gotta' be a little ruthless in the NFL if you want to win. I keep coming back to the guy I used to dislike (but have recently turned to admire...a little...) Jerry Jones: Dude wants to win, dude is not afraid of public image, dude takes risks DAILY in how he handles player acquisitions, and dude is starting to hit paydirt again like he did with Jimmy Johnson & Crew.

No doubt. I think Jerry Jones is the best owner in the league. A good example of why is his commitment to winning football, and his commitment to the new stadium. He isn't afraid to take his team, or frankly the league, to the next level. On top of that he knows football.

Our owner has zero football knowledge. I'd be surprised if he watched the other teams in the league play.

dalemurphy
09-22-2008, 07:47 PM
I'm clearly a sap! After reading quotes yesterday and watching Kubiak's presser today, I've reversed field. Even though I started a thread titled, "Kubiak is an i-d-i-o-t" 30 hours ago, I'm largely back on board this train.

While I stand behind my criticisms of his performance yesterday and in week one, somehow I'm a believer again. I'm looking forward to a victory in Jacksonville in week 3 and am feeling much better about his competance.

After confessing that I may be delusional I would like to argue that this change of course could have some merit.... Maybe?..

1. Kubiak was different this presser. He seemed really determined and confident about what he saw being in error. There was just something reassuring about his tone in describing them going through the coaches tape and pointing out all the problems. Also, his acknowledgement that they are playing poorly- instead of simply saying they made a mistake or two and were playing a tough team, etc...

2. I like how players like AJ responded to their efforts and the result.

3. Slaton looked really good... And, did you notice the play in the 3rd quarter when Haynesworth came free up the middle and Slaton actually moved him out of the way in a one on one confrontation?

4. We're still quite healthy and are moving through a strange set of circumstances into a more managable situation.

In conclusion, of course what we've watched isn't a playoff team- or anything close. However, I think there is enough talent and enough good health that it could possibility develop into one as the season moves on. That kind of thing does happen every year. I know it's far from inevitable but it is still possible.

Having said that, we've gotta beat Jacksonville this weekend!

The1ApplePie
09-22-2008, 11:55 PM
Kubiak's entire claim to fame:

Take credit for John Elway's career
Take credit for Steve Young's career

Any wonder why this guy failed as a head coach? His only two successes were already HOF bound we he started coaching them

What about:
Brian Griese
Jake Plummer
David Carr
Matt Schaub

Denver finally got a great QB (Cutler) after Kubes left

leebigeztx
09-23-2008, 01:48 AM
Kubiak's entire claim to fame:

Take credit for John Elway's career
Take credit for Steve Young's career

Any wonder why this guy failed as a head coach? His only two successes were already HOF bound we he started coaching them

What about:
Brian Griese
Jake Plummer
David Carr
Matt Schaub

Denver finally got a great QB (Cutler) after Kubes left

If u don't like the job kubiak is doing, that's one thing, but not tell the qb's history is another. Now I'm going to give u credit for being a smart football fan. Steve Young was a but when he came from the usfl. Once he got with sf and sat on the bennch for 4 yrs and even theen at first, rice and taylor thought he watched the rush and took off running too much. Elway was greatt before shanahan and kubes wound up in denver, but his numbers his last 5 yrs were greater than any yrs of his career. Sure he took avg teams to bowls, but look at his comp%, td to int ratio and you'll see a huge jump in his numbers. Its called coaching the player up. U can not like kubes, but u have to give him his due.

GP
09-23-2008, 01:51 AM
I just find it totally ironic that Kubiak (a career backup) won't give Sage Rosenfels (a career backup) a chance to be a starter more often.

LOL. What irony.

Kubiak does no favors. For anyone. Gotta' give him THAT, I guess...

Kaiser Toro
09-23-2008, 01:52 AM
If they play a competitive game next week the gas cans will stay in the garage.

Yep, I lowered the bar. :chickendance:

leebigeztx
09-23-2008, 02:10 AM
The last weeks have probably been hard for the team to focus. No matter how much they make, they're human. They were without power or had family they had to deal with also. They just need to make plays and the texans will be okk.

threetoedpete
09-23-2008, 03:19 AM
Well, I see a guy in Kubes who is doing everything, maybe too much, to turn this thing around. I think he's too nice a guy. I think he hangs with his veterans too long. The coaches can't play for them. Someone may well fall on their sword for Bob McNair and the team. Guess what ? After the clotted blood is sopped up, the same players will be missing blocks, tackles, blowing assignments and not have enough talent to reach the QB in a blitz. Only thing that will change is the fans may feel better for a week or two. False hope is no hope at all.

TEXANRED
09-23-2008, 12:52 PM
The problem with Kubiak is his play calling. Its predictable. I can literally sit in my living room and see the personnel they have on the field in the formation they set up in and call the plays we are about to run. We have no imagination to formations, we don't motion, we don't check at the LOS, there is no chatter coming from the QB, there are no hard counts, silent counts, on first sound, we don't run from pass formations, we don't pass from run formations. We run to the strong side to set up the pass to the weak side.

If I can do that sitting in my living room what do you think the MLB of the Defense is sitting there doing? He is making adjustments to the line, his LB core. Ever wonder why our guys always seem to be covered? Cus they know the play.

Even Schaub's bootleg to the right the defenses have caught on to. While the line and running back crash to the left they leave the DE at home.

Schaub needs to be able to have a package of at least three plays that he can take to the line and call according the defensive alignment.

But that is just my opinion.

Koolaid Time
09-23-2008, 03:18 PM
Everyone is concentrating on Kubiak...

But what about Kyle Shanahan?? He is the OC.

I think the kid is in over his head.

Honoring Earl 34
09-23-2008, 03:24 PM
Everyone is concentrating on Kubiak...

But what about Kyle Shanahan?? He is the OC.

I think the kid is in over his head.

I could go with that .

Tom Moore with the Colts is old enough to be his grandad .

powerfuldragon
09-23-2008, 04:40 PM
stupid thread.

fix/lose schaub, consider a new OC, get a receiver with blinding speed to complement AJ, and nobody's crying anymore.

dalemurphy
09-23-2008, 07:34 PM
The problem with Kubiak is his play calling. Its predictable. I can literally sit in my living room and see the personnel they have on the field in the formation they set up in and call the plays we are about to run. We have no imagination to formations, we don't motion, we don't check at the LOS, there is no chatter coming from the QB, there are no hard counts, silent counts, on first sound, we don't run from pass formations, we don't pass from run formations. We run to the strong side to set up the pass to the weak side.

If I can do that sitting in my living room what do you think the MLB of the Defense is sitting there doing? He is making adjustments to the line, his LB core. Ever wonder why our guys always seem to be covered? Cus they know the play.

Even Schaub's bootleg to the right the defenses have caught on to. While the line and running back crash to the left they leave the DE at home.

Schaub needs to be able to have a package of at least three plays that he can take to the line and call according the defensive alignment.

But that is just my opinion.


Well, actually there are plenty of wrinkles. The problem is they all seem to come out in the first quarter. For instance, we've had a number of plays all in the first quarter of games this reg. season and preseason where the split end cracks back on the DE. Each time it's been successful. We've had some interesting runs out of that and a pass attempt as well. Also, the TE screen was a new wrinkle. All last season, we had interest play actions that usually happened early in the game.

I think the real problem is that Kubiak continues to establish an identity and a strength but has been unable to. Therefore, by the second half, there's very little to work off of.

That being said, if Slaton keeps busting 50 yard runs I think we'll see some cool stuff in the later quarters as the season moves along.

GP
09-23-2008, 09:21 PM
stupid thread.

fix/lose schaub, consider a new OC, get a receiver with blinding speed to complement AJ, and nobody's crying anymore.

Just one tiny problem: Kubiak won't (or isn't allowed to) do it.

I mean, I think this WOULD do a great deal of good. I support your thinking process. The kicker here, is this: Kubiak is in his own little world.

I mean, the guy is not making decisions based on "What would give us the best chance to win this weekend."

McNair really knows a Bob McNair Head Coach prospect when he sees one.

BLUE114
09-23-2008, 10:09 PM
My feeling is that Kubiak is probably a great coordinator but hasn't learned to be a head coach. After Schaub throws an interception why are him and Kubiak going over photos of what just happened. Isn't there someone else that could be doing that. I think that he takes too much time trying to coach up his QBs and loses the feel for the game. That's why his time management, fourth down choices, and challenging of plays has been a big problem. He is missing the big picture and he should be letting someone else micro manage the details.

Joe Texan
09-23-2008, 10:25 PM
Schaub= career backup
Defense= Held in the 2nd half
Kubes= failed in the challenge booth, failled on 4th down while on the road,
Failed on play calling, Failed miserably on 4th down period. He should have the offense prepared for a play `and snap it as soon as he gets to the line.
The only way to get a 4th and 1 to work is to catch the D off guard.
Heck we called a timeout and then went for it. Simply pathetic play calling.
I am not saying fire Kubes but I want to know what Bob and partners think.

gwallaia
09-23-2008, 10:35 PM
Joe, did they show the replay of the catch out-of-bounds on the big screen at the stadium?

Runner
09-23-2008, 10:36 PM
Joe, did they show the replay of the catch out-of-bounds on the big screen at the stadium?

Oh-Oh. This could get ugly.

CloakNNNdagger
09-23-2008, 10:52 PM
The last weeks have probably been hard for the team to focus. No matter how much they make, they're human. They were without power or had family they had to deal with also. They just need to make plays and the texans will be okk.


I guess then, the Girls' game was an anticipation/prehurricane warm up performance.:gun:

ATXtexanfan
09-23-2008, 11:00 PM
is there any way we could fine kubiak the next time he fails on 4th down or screws up a challenge?

small nizzle
10-03-2010, 01:47 PM
Losing to the Raiders is unacceptable. Cant use Andres injury as an excuse. If thats the case he can blame injuries every year since every year there are injuries.

sportsbook has 80% of people betting on the texans today and the line hasnt changed. You think books want to lose 80% today? This has Raiders win written all over it.

2-2 with the toughest games ahead

I can forgive losing to the contending cowboys but losing to the hapless raiders is the easiest road game of the year. They might go 1-7 on the road this year.

changes needed : fire kubiak hire cowher,
draft another cb in 1st, move nolan to fs instead of barber, draft another wr in 2nd to replace walters slow feet, sign jeremiah johnson and release slaton/ward, release turk and draft a punter in 7th round,

kiwitexansfan
10-03-2010, 01:52 PM
Seriously? You dig up a thread from over two years ago, while the team has a winning record.

Worst. Post. Ever.

Brandon420tx
10-03-2010, 01:53 PM
So far all of his posts today have been about firing kubiak. One track mind IMO

Scooter
10-03-2010, 01:54 PM
ummmm ... wow

Brando
10-03-2010, 01:55 PM
Seriously? I smell troll! :cutthroat: I don't give neg rep but I am considering it.

TimeKiller
10-03-2010, 02:07 PM
Kevin Walter and his "slow feet" have 3 tds so far...

JB
10-03-2010, 02:08 PM
Losing to the Raiders is unacceptable. Cant use Andres injury as an excuse. If thats the case he can blame injuries every year since every year there are injuries.

sportsbook has 80% of people betting on the texans today and the line hasnt changed. You think books want to lose 80% today? This has Raiders win written all over it.

2-2 with the toughest games ahead

I can forgive losing to the contending cowboys but losing to the hapless raiders is the easiest road game of the year. They might go 1-7 on the road this year.

changes needed : fire kubiak hire cowher,
draft another cb in 1st, move nolan to fs instead of barber, draft another wr in 2nd to replace walters slow feet, sign jeremiah johnson and release slaton/ward, release turk and draft a punter in 7th round,


Really? Really??? Do you know anything about football? Or anything about sound business practice? To be talking about firing Kubiak now is ludicrous, and you come across as a fool. And you can get it out of your head about Cowher coming here. Not gonna happen. He will be coaching in either Carolina or New York next year.

Thorn
10-03-2010, 02:08 PM
Yeah, well, if we lose today you guys know damn well there's going to be folks with their pantys in an uproar. :lol:

FirstTexansFan
10-03-2010, 02:10 PM
So far all of his posts today have been about firing kubiak. One track mind IMO

You've given this mullet more credit than he deserves... He'd have to have a mind in order for it to be one tracked :)

Mike Kerns
10-03-2010, 02:16 PM
I'm one of the biggest Kubiak detractors and even I think this is a bit premature.

But with that said, if we lose today, at least we have an old "Fire Kubiak" thread to go to instead of 14 users making a new one. ..but they probably still will.

JB
10-03-2010, 02:20 PM
I'm one of the biggest Kubiak detractors and even I think this is a bit premature.

But with that said, if we lose today, at least we have an old "Fire Kubiak" thread to go to instead of 14 users making a new one. ..but they probably still will.

Just wanted to say...Congratulations on your wedding today.



Are you drunk yet?

awtysst
10-03-2010, 02:24 PM
Losing to the Raiders is unacceptable. Cant use Andres injury as an excuse. If thats the case he can blame injuries every year since every year there are injuries.

sportsbook has 80% of people betting on the texans today and the line hasnt changed. You think books want to lose 80% today? This has Raiders win written all over it.

2-2 with the toughest games ahead

I can forgive losing to the contending cowboys but losing to the hapless raiders is the easiest road game of the year. They might go 1-7 on the road this year.

changes needed : fire kubiak hire cowher,
draft another cb in 1st, move nolan to fs instead of barber, draft another wr in 2nd to replace walters slow feet, sign jeremiah johnson and release slaton/ward, release turk and draft a punter in 7th round,

Even Mr. Cool Ice thinks this is a bad idea.

http://www.freshorwack.com/wp-content/uploads/mice_1.jpg

http://synthesis.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/coolice.jpg

drs23
10-03-2010, 02:32 PM
sometimes (like in my case) the woman that escorts you to the bathroom is hot, and you get a woody and cant pee....and yes this really did happen to me...i was embaressed because she kept seeing my small woody in the mirror,and asking me if i wanted to drink something...took me forever to take a piss because she was hot. ON the way home i unzipped at a red light on westhiemer and starting flogging.

true story.

I'm just thinking nizzel (on the smallish side) is just a little spank happy and perhaps isn't thinking straight today. Must be a terrible burden to bare. Or he's just a jerk off. :pop: