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nunusguy
09-09-2008, 01:39 PM
Young left his home around 7 p.m. Monday without a phone, prompting the Titans to call Nashville police for help. The team got a message to Young through a friend, and the quarterback met with coach Jeff Fisher and police at team headquarters around 11:30 p.m. Police spokesman Don Aaron said Young drove himself home about 30 minutes later.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5990720.html

The Dream
09-09-2008, 01:47 PM
why is this news???

chicagotexan2
09-09-2008, 01:50 PM
They found VY trying to hot wire the Oscar Meyer Mobile.

Tedc
09-09-2008, 01:59 PM
why is this news???

That is what the world is asking as well.

Vince, just stay home, stop freaking your family by making them think you are unbalanced, and making them call the police because they are worried that you will kill yourself. Also, it would be a good idea NOT to have a gun with you when your family thinks you may be suicidal.

When the police get called, it becomes a story.

Stemp
09-09-2008, 01:59 PM
why is this news???

Becuase it shows how concerned the Titans are that VY can't "handle it". If someone I know disappears for a few hours, I may raise and eyebrow, but won't be concerned enough to call the cops. The fact that they called the police shows that his mental state is highly suspect and that his coaches believe he may be capable of a mental collapse.

Tedc
09-09-2008, 02:01 PM
his coaches believe he may be capable of a mental collapse.

Based on the wonderlic, if he has a mental collapse, it won't have far to collapse.

Errant Hothy
09-09-2008, 02:05 PM
why is this news???

Because cops spend most of their time looking for starting NFL QBs...right?

2BCF
09-09-2008, 02:07 PM
"Ultimately, it appears the initial concerns about his emotional state were unfounded," Aaron said Tuesday. "But no one actually knew that until he was spoken to face to face."

Aaron also said Young had an unloaded handgun in the glovebox of his car. Tennessee law permits unloaded firearms in vehicles as long as no ammunition is present.

Young hurt his knee late in Sunday's 17-10 win over Jacksonville and was booed heavily by fans.

"Given the totality of the circumstances, the fact that Young had been emotionally down all day Coach Fisher contacted the police department and asked for help in finding him to check on his emotional well-being," Aaron said.

Wow, I had no idea he was this emotionally fragile.
Not trying to be ugly or anything, just surprised that this is an issue for VY.
Sounds like he needs to attend the David Carr School of Just Have Fun and ignore the crowd.

Tedc
09-09-2008, 02:09 PM
why is this news???

Because NFL head coaches routinely call the police to help in locating a possibly disturbed quarterback.

Silver Oak
09-09-2008, 02:34 PM
"Tennessee law permits unloaded firearms in vehicles as long as no ammunition is present."

so if the chit hits the fan, what do you do, call timeout until you can locate some ammo? I don't care much for that law...

as for the cops out looking for vy, maybe the Nahville detectives can assist in locating his missing passing game as well.

The Dream
09-09-2008, 02:37 PM
i've been in situations where I've been angry and go and drive off for a couple of hours..................sometimes it worries others, but at that point in time, you're not thinking straight. I'm not making much of this.........kinda reminds me of T.O. "trying to commit suicide" a couple of years back..................

Hervoyel
09-09-2008, 02:40 PM
What we're reading in the stories is all "Police weren't worried" and "After talking to the coach and the police everything turned out fine" and all that but the real story is the stuff that nobody is talking about. What exactly did he do or has he been doing to make people close to him think that he might be a danger to himself? What did those people say to Fisher to convince him that the police needed to be called and that everybody needed to start searching for Vince Young like this was The Truman Show or something?

See, in general having a hot potato issue like a quitting QB or a guy whose a bit of a head case as your team leader isn't something that most NFL teams want a lot of light shone on. Likewise most people who start talking to others outside their immediate family about a person being a danger to himself have seen or heard something to make them believe it.

This story might fade a little bit in the short term now that damage-control has gone into effect but it's not going away. It is entirely possible that the team that screwed the pooch biggest on the "Big Three" of the first round of 2006 might turn out to be Bud's Titans.

powerfuldragon
09-09-2008, 02:42 PM
They found VY trying to hot wire the Oscar Meyer Mobile.
earl campbell must think vy a nuisance.

The Dream
09-09-2008, 02:43 PM
no one ever said he was a danger to himself.....

edit

and they found him at a friends house..............doesn't sound like anything "crazy" to me.........

nunusguy
09-09-2008, 02:59 PM
I dunno, but wan't there a story circulating that VY had considered retirering after his first NFL season ? I'm pretty sure I read something along these lines and I was certainly surpirised because by all indications his rookie year in the NFL was a rousing success ? I believe he was named offensive ROY ?
But that story was an eye-opener for me and gave some insight into a guys psyche who was a success in his field, even a sports celeb who I'd always assumed was also very care-free and secure.

2BCF
09-09-2008, 03:01 PM
no one ever said he was a danger to himself.....

edit

and they found him at a friends house..............doesn't sound like anything "crazy" to me.........

It's implied, surely you can see that.

Also here:
Negotiators were placed on standby and special resource officers were called in to check area hotels to see if Young had checked in.

http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=8976169&nav=menu5_4

The Dream
09-09-2008, 03:03 PM
It's implied, surely you can see that.

which is why I don't see what the big deal is...........

Tedc
09-09-2008, 04:19 PM
From this link...http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=8976169&nav=menu5_4


"Police said they do not know whether the gun was registered to Young."

When do police find a gun in a glovebox and NOT asked to see the registration??

bah007
09-09-2008, 04:48 PM
From this link...http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=8976169&nav=menu5_4


"Police said they do not know whether the gun was registered to Young."

When do police find a gun in a glovebox and NOT asked to see the registration??

If its someone who has enough money to beat the charge regardless.

dtran04
09-09-2008, 05:09 PM
The big deal is his family knows he is currently messed up in the head. Otherwise, why would they bother calling the police? It was a huge deal to them. If a family member went home pissed/sad/emotionally distraught, and left the house with a gun and not telling anyone about his intentions, I sure as hell would be worried.

jerek
09-09-2008, 05:17 PM
"Police said they do not know whether the gun was registered to Young."

When do police find a gun in a glovebox and NOT asked to see the registration??

Are you supposed to carry your registration on you? Here in Texas, it doesn't take much more than a pulse to buy a firearm and you don't have to register anything. Maybe (probably) TN is different but does any one know enough to comment on the law?

Tedc
09-09-2008, 05:26 PM
Are you supposed to carry your registration on you? Here in Texas, it doesn't take much more than a pulse to buy a firearm and you don't have to register anything. Maybe (probably) TN is different but does any one know enough to comment on the law?


http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/faq.htm

"Q: How do I get a concealed handgun license application?
A: You may pick up an application request card from most DPS offices or gun or sporting goods stores, fill it out and mail it to the DPS."

Specnatz
09-09-2008, 05:27 PM
Are you supposed to carry your registration on you? Here in Texas, it doesn't take much more than a pulse to buy a firearm and you don't have to register anything. Maybe (probably) TN is different but does any one know enough to comment on the law?

Handguns you do a shotgun not so much. Of course I do not know how big the glove-compartment is on vy's car but I will to take a guess and say it is not that big.

Ole Miss Texan
09-09-2008, 05:48 PM
and they found him at a friends house..............doesn't sound like anything "crazy" to me.........

which is why I don't see what the big deal is...........

You're not looking at the big picture here. The "big" deal is that those close to him personally felt the need to contact authorities. It's not that nothing happened, it's that they know 'somethings night right' with VY and are extra cautious and careful.

It's like if a Runningback is running and fumbles the ball but the offense still recovers it- sure you're fine and 'safe' on that 1 play, but the coach is going to chew your ass off b/c next time you might not be so lucky. Sounds like all that happened is the QB coach told the Head coach, 'hey... this guy could have a fumbling problem. Most likely nothing will happen, but you might check cuz I'm kind of worried.'

Sure hope nothing happens with VY and he gets his head on straight (if it's not already). I'd love to see him fail as an opposing QB in the same division... but not off the field. Hopefully his only mistakes come between the endzones.

spurstexanstros
09-09-2008, 06:13 PM
I agree with the dream and trust me I have no love for the guy nor will I ever be the defender of VY. However, there is an easier way to percieve this.
VY probably had too much drink(which happens to the best of us) and got behind the wheel. He probably seemed down or incoherent and someone remebered he had a gun in his car. They did not want what happened to steve foley to happen to vince so they let someone know he had a gun and was not in the right mind. This was done so the cops would not make any mistakes.

This was blown way out of proportion because the sports media linked it to his bad game. I wouldnt read too much into it.

Texan_Bill
09-09-2008, 06:23 PM
Somehow these two shouldn't appear in the same post:

VY probably had too much drink(which happens to the best of us) and got behind the wheel. He probably seemed down or incoherent and someone remebered he had a gun in his car.

-and-

This was blown way out of proportion

spurstexanstros
09-09-2008, 06:49 PM
ahhhhem cheter pitts ahemmmmm remember

Wolf
09-09-2008, 06:58 PM
ahhhhem cheter pitts ahemmmmm remember

that is a little different . that is someone getting stopped and evading arrest, that is not someone that decides to leave the house and a family or friend is worried about them after a few hours and then the family/friend calls the players coach and then the Fisher decides to have cops look for him and try to find him

Wolf
09-09-2008, 07:01 PM
For the record I don't know what happened . I dont' know if any of us will really know who jumped the gun (family/friend or Jeff Fisher) .. bottom line is someone was worried enough about Vince to have the cops search for him..

All kidding aside, I hope with what issues we have seen over the last few years with him that the kid gets help if he needs it.

spurstexanstros
09-09-2008, 07:02 PM
that is a little different . that is someone getting stopped and evading arrest, that is not someone that decides to leave the house and a family or friend is worried about them after a few hours and then the family/friend calls the players coach and then the Fisher decides to have cops look for him and try to find him

I cant see the diffence between the two and again trust me I am no VY fan (horns down) what law did he break? did he not have a permit? was he drunk? did he willfully disobey an order of a policeman? oh wait now i see the difference. what CP did was worse.

Texan_Bill
09-09-2008, 07:02 PM
ahhhhem cheter pitts ahemmmmm remember

First Chester wasn't arrested for a DWI or anything remotely close.

Second, you wont see me defend anyone that drinks and drives.
If the guy was so distraught that he got liquored up and drove off in a tizzy, than thats even worse than what was being reported, because now he's a danger to other people besides himself... but thats off the point.

This is more about a pattern of immature behavior or a possibly troubled young person. So far in his young career :
a) He misses a flight.
b) Gets into a fight at practice.
c) Sulks on the sidelines (see TC's picture),
d) almost quits,
e) attends a sausage boi party
f) tries to take himself out of the game,
g) gets injured (not that is his fault),
h) sulks some more,
i) and finally Coach Fish gets a phone call from 'concerned' friends. Coach Fish being concerned calls the police... ALL after the first game of only his third season.

Once is an occurrence, Twice is coincidence, three times is a trend....

Texan_Bill
09-09-2008, 07:06 PM
PS... About Pitts (the son of a detective); he was no-billed so totally irrelevant

Pitts was accused of leading police on a short chase after a routine traffic stop. But today, a grand jury declined to indict him on any charges.
Saying he had no hard feelings, Chester Pitts emerged after waiting six hours today to talk to the grand jury.
"Obviously I'm happy the system worked, everything worked out," Pitts said. "It's the way I said it was, it truly was a misunderstanding

CloakNNNdagger
09-09-2008, 07:35 PM
Memo to Vince Young: Time to Man Up [link] (http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/pitw/2008/09/memo_to_vince_young_time_to_ma.php)



http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/pitw/340x.jpg

cuppacoffee
09-09-2008, 07:47 PM
Are you supposed to carry your registration on you? Here in Texas, it doesn't take much more than a pulse to buy a firearm and you don't have to register anything. Maybe (probably) TN is different but does any one know enough to comment on the law?


I was under the impression that all guns, with the possible exception of shotguns, had to be registered in Texas when you bought them.

Am I wrong about this?

:coffee:

spurstexanstros
09-09-2008, 08:33 PM
First Chester wasn't arrested for a DWI or anything remotely close.

Second, you wont see me defend anyone that drinks and drives.
If the guy was so distraught that he got liquored up and drove off in a tizzy, than thats even worse than what was being reported, because now he's a danger to other people besides himself... but thats off the point.

This is more about a pattern of immature behavior or a possibly troubled young person. So far in his young career :
a) He misses a flight.
b) Gets into a fight at practice.
c) Sulks on the sidelines (see TC's picture),
d) almost quits,
e) attends a sausage boi party
f) tries to take himself out of the game,
g) gets injured (not that is his fault),
h) sulks some more,
i) and finally Coach Fish gets a phone call from 'concerned' friends. Coach Fish being concerned calls the police... ALL after the first game of only his third season.

Once is an occurrence, Twice is coincidence, three times is a trend....

I think the Titans just wanted to avoid the foley situation and that was my real point.

steelbtexan
09-09-2008, 10:22 PM
Mental collapse?

Does this mean VY would have only scored a 2 on his wunderlich under such mental stress?

I wonder how he handled all of the classroom stress @ UT?

HJam72
09-09-2008, 10:34 PM
First Chester wasn't arrested for a DWI or anything remotely close.

Second, you wont see me defend anyone that drinks and drives.
If the guy was so distraught that he got liquored up and drove off in a tizzy, than thats even worse than what was being reported, because now he's a danger to other people besides himself... but thats off the point.

This is more about a pattern of immature behavior or a possibly troubled young person. So far in his young career :
a) He misses a flight.
b) Gets into a fight at practice.
c) Sulks on the sidelines (see TC's picture),
d) almost quits,
e) attends a sausage boi party
f) tries to take himself out of the game,
g) gets injured (not that is his fault),
h) sulks some more,
i) and finally Coach Fish gets a phone call from 'concerned' friends. Coach Fish being concerned calls the police... ALL after the first game of only his third season.

Once is an occurrence, Twice is coincidence, three times is a trend....

I count 9.

J-Russ
09-09-2008, 10:47 PM
Don't know if anybody post this article yet, his mom made some comments in it.

Felicia Young said her son has grown weary of all the negativity he faces as an NFL star. On Monday, he indicated to those around him he didn’t want to play football any more.

.....

“But he will be fine if people are prayerful and help my baby boy out. He is a young man. He just needs a lot of love and support.’’

....

After Young balked at having the MRI on Monday, Fisher went out and talked to him at his Brentwood home, spending over an hour with him. The Titans also sent a psychologist, Dr. Sheila Peters, and Tina Tuggle, the team’s Director of Player Development, to meet with Young to try and encourage him.

The psychologist said Young was extremely depressed and expressed concerns to the team about Young’s safety. Later, Young left the house and sped off in his Mercedes Benz without his cell phone. He couldn’t be found for some time, which prompted a phone call to Fisher.

....

On Sunday, before Young was injured against the Jaguars, he initially refused to re-enter the game after throwing an interception and getting booed by fans. His decision to ignore the team’s request for him to have the MRI created even more friction between the player and the team, and indications last night were the Titans have turned the team over to back-up quarterback Kerry Collins.

Even when Young returns from his injury, he might not get his job back.

....

Then there’s the question about whether Young is interested in returning, something he mentioned to those who were with him on Monday.

“What would you think, if you were tired of being ridiculed and persecuted and talked about and not being treated very well, what would you do? What kind of decision would you make?’’ Felecia Young asked. “He may not want to deal with it (all), but you have to get to that point before you make that decision first.

“But we’re not talking about football right now. We’re talking about what would make him happy, and that is the most important thing.

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080909/SPORTS01/80909129/1027

I read two article about this situation already, and have yet to see VY comment on it... odd.

Koolaid Time
09-09-2008, 10:47 PM
Something tells me that Vince is taking medication for some type of psych condition...

His conduct shows manic depressive behavior, anxiety, some anti-social conduct-- all the typical signs of someone not taking their meds or someone taking new meds or a different dosage.

He shouldn't have access to a weapon, even if unloaded.

If it was controlled substances they would have already tested and maybe suspended him under the Drug policy.

Wolf
09-09-2008, 11:12 PM
Don't know if anybody post this article yet, his mom made some comments in it.



http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080909/SPORTS01/80909129/1027

I read two article about this situation already, and have yet to see VY comment on it... odd.


on a NFL level
"I wouldn't know bout people criticizing me"

signed,
Mario Williams

on a serious level as a person. I hope he gets some help, he needs his friends,family,teammates and fans for support, if he is suffering from depression.. it is a battle. Lots of people put him on a pedestal really fast when coming into the NFL.. and was really hard to live up to that being an NFL QB and then going to Pro Bowl.. things possibly came to fast too soon. Bush has Duece and Coleston to carry the team,so the pressure wasn't on him as much


all joking aside
My prayers go to Vince that he can get his head on straight and that he gets help that he needs through all the people that surround him.If it is mental illness, that is a tough climb

GP
09-10-2008, 12:17 AM
I was under the impression that all guns, with the possible exception of shotguns, had to be registered in Texas when you bought them.

Am I wrong about this?

:coffee:

Handguns only, I believe.

Rifles (non-automatic) and shotguns are excluded. Otherwise, about 30,000 farmers and ranchers would need to be locked up for not registering their rifle/shotgun.

Owning an automatic weapon requires that you hold a special automatic weapons dealer's license, IIRC. And, IIRC, it is DANG difficult and costly to be awarded this license. Can anyone verify my thoughts on automatic weapons?

GP
09-10-2008, 12:24 AM
His career is done.

I watched some of Sunday's game, when he had to come out due to the knee injury, and I saw "that look" and his body language on the bench. So when I saw this story hit the websites, it was noooooo suprise to me. He just looked emotionally miserable.

Now that the draft drama has faded, now that he has played a few downs of NFL football, he's got nothing to live for on the NFL field. Whether it's Earl Campbell-like issues, or not, is beyond me. Maybe Bud Adams has this sort of effect on people?

But I just think we saw the last of Vince Young playing NFL football.

And face it, a human life is more important than the game of football. For all the joking I have done on this topic...I sincerely hope he gets well. I don't think there's any doubt that he needs rest.

Never thought I'd think this way, but I do.

kastofsna
09-10-2008, 12:30 AM
i'll give him credit. i figured he'd be out of the league after his second year.

Koolaid Time
09-10-2008, 01:11 AM
Handguns only, I believe.

Rifles (non-automatic) and shotguns are excluded. Otherwise, about 30,000 farmers and ranchers would need to be locked up for not registering their rifle/shotgun.

Owning an automatic weapon requires that you hold a special automatic weapons dealer's license, IIRC. And, IIRC, it is DANG difficult and costly to be awarded this license. Can anyone verify my thoughts on automatic weapons?

Yes, you will need a Federal Firearms License.. and all the hassles that license involves-- lots of paperwork, .. if you can get one to begin with.

nero THE zero
09-10-2008, 06:37 AM
Looks like he's done:

Link: http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080909/SPORTS01/80909129/1002/SPORTS

Clipped from the Jim Wyatt article:

A psychologist was among those who met with Young at his Brentwood home on Monday,
and what she concluded and told team officials led to a bizarre, 24-hour period
that ended just after midnight Tuesday morning. That’s when Fisher met with Young
and police at Baptist Sports Park.

Felicia Young said her son has grown weary of all the negativity he faces as an
NFL star. On Monday, he indicated to those around him he didn’t want to play
football any more.

“Vince has gone through a whole lot as a young person,’’ Felicia Young said. “And
I think he has done pretty well up to this point. But it is hard, all he is going
through right now. He’s hurting inside and out.

“But he will be fine if people are prayerful and help my baby boy out. He is a
young man. He just needs a lot of love and support.’’

The events of the last 48 hours, however, have clearly left a lasting mark on both
Young and the Titans.

On Sunday, before Young was injured against the Jaguars, he initially refused to
re-enter the game after throwing an interception and getting booed by fans. His
decision to ignore the team’s request for him to have the MRI created even more
friction between the player and the team, and indications last night were the
Titans have turned the team over to back-up quarterback Kerry Collins.

Even when Young returns from his injury, he might not get his job back.

The Titans believe Young’s injury is one that will keep him out anywhere from 2-4
weeks.

Then there’s the question about whether Young is interested in returning, something
he mentioned to those who were with him on Monday.

“What would you think, if you were tired of being ridiculed and persecuted and
talked about and not being treated very well, what would you do? What kind of
decision would you make?’’ Felicia Young asked. “He may not want to deal with it
(all), but you have to get to that point before you make that decision first.

“But we’re not talking about football right now. We’re talking about what would
make him happy, and that is the most important thing.

“… You don’t want people to be hurting like he is. But it is a growing-up process,
and he will eventually come out like gold no matter what. But Vince is going to be
OK. We are just going to try and give him some space.”

Silver Oak
09-10-2008, 08:29 AM
“But we’re not talking about football right now. We’re talking about what would
make him happy, and that is the most important thing.



someone needs to remind Momma Young that the fine house she's got her rear parked in now is a result of her Cuckoos Nest son playing football. If he can't go anymore, there will be some money owed back to the titans.

SheTexan
09-10-2008, 08:43 AM
Part of "growing up" is learning to take criticism like a MAN/WOMAN!! Happen's to the best of us. Athletes in every sport face the same MEDIA blitz of criticism, as do movie stars, ministers, political candidates, etc, etc, etc. MAMA needs to tell her BOY to man up and get some balls!! JMO!! He's acting like a spoiled brat who continues to pout because he didn't get his way. He made it VERY clear he wanted to be a TEXAN, not a TITAN!:) Probably delusional now, cause he PROBABLY thinks, with the god syndrome he has, that IF the Texans had drafted him, we would be SB bound! He's a one man team don't ya know!!!

WWJD
09-10-2008, 08:59 AM
Vince could perhaps have an undiagnosed depression issue....

I hope he gets the help he quite obviously needs.

Hookem Horns
09-10-2008, 09:03 AM
So how is that Mario Williams pick looking right now?

gtexan02
09-10-2008, 09:11 AM
The thing that surprises me most, is that this was completely predictable.

Remember when eveyrone said "Vince Young has been a winner at every stage of his career."

I guess what they were implying was that he's never learned to lose

Cjeremy635
09-10-2008, 09:22 AM
The thing that surprises me most, is that this was completely predictable.

Remember when eveyrone said "Vince Young has been a winner at every stage of his career."

I guess what they were implying was that he's never learned to lose

I agree with that statement. I believe he's used to being worshiped by fans and that's why he still parties with college kids at UT. To me, he should have already moved on from that phase and devoted himself 100% to growing up and focusing on his NFL career, not reminiscing over his collegiate star status. I wish the best for the guy as a human being, but he really needs to get over himself and learn how to become a man. That will allow him to be better to himself and a better person for his family.

gwallaia
09-10-2008, 09:25 AM
I reminded of this video all of a sudden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVcJttcRknE

Hardcore Texan
09-10-2008, 10:05 AM
Sounds like VY needs to work on his mental toughness. Why should any pro athelete care what's going on around them, at this level you have to block all that out if you want to be successful. Fans can be very fickle. Sounds like he needs to toughen up.

BeerTastesLikeVictory
09-10-2008, 10:13 AM
I feel for VY, just the other day I was frusterated at work so I asked my boss if I could take a few months paid leave without using any vacation time. I mean I know I have only been with this company 6 months but I have a good resume and I am worth it. For some reason my boss said no. I am going to have my mommy call my boss and straighten this mess out.

spurstexanstros
09-10-2008, 10:18 AM
After all the ragging on the guy it turns out he was at friend's house. Someone got freaked out over nothing no big deal. I say we should leave the guy alone off the field till he breaks a law or something. I would prefer he flamed out on the field as Mario sacks him in the endzone in Nashville. That would be sweet.

thunderkyss
09-10-2008, 10:19 AM
"Tennessee law permits unloaded firearms in vehicles as long as no ammunition is present."

so if the chit hits the fan, what do you do, call timeout until you can locate some ammo? I don't care much for that law...

as for the cops out looking for vy, maybe the Nahville detectives can assist in locating his missing passing game as well.

Very funny..... really, my sides are hurting.

Now about the gun thing.

I was listening to a Nationally broadcast sports talk show, and they keyed in on the gun being in the car..... thinking that might be a sign of something he might have done...... using that as evidence of his mental instability.

I'm sitting in my car screaming at the top of my lungs, "He's from Texas you freak'n idiots.... hell I've got a loaded gun in my car right now."

Ole Miss Texan
09-10-2008, 10:23 AM
“What would you think, if you were tired of being ridiculed and persecuted and talked about and not being treated very well, what would you do? What kind of decision would you make?’’ Felecia Young asked.

Wolf and I are thinking the same. WWMD? What would Mario do? Well, he'd take all that crap in from everybody and go out the next year and produce 14 sacks. What did Vince do? He went out the next year after being prematurely praised and threw 17 interceptions.

Mario uses the pressure to get better... Vince uses the praise to get worse.

February 29, 2006 = :perfect10:

Wolf
09-10-2008, 10:24 AM
well if the posts above is true

For some reason even his MOM is worried about him and we know Vince is close to his mom(not a joke but based on what he said about the rose tattooes)..I think some are still in denial that something might be wrong with him.. I hope not but if so again, my prayers are he surrounds himself with a strong base for support

HOU-TEX
09-10-2008, 10:30 AM
Part of "growing up" is learning to take criticism like a MAN/WOMAN!! Happen's to the best of us. Athletes in every sport face the same MEDIA blitz of criticism, as do movie stars, ministers, political candidates, etc, etc, etc. MAMA needs to tell her BOY to man up and get some balls!! JMO!! He's acting like a spoiled brat who continues to pout because he didn't get his way. He made it VERY clear he wanted to be a TEXAN, not a TITAN!:) Probably delusional now, cause he PROBABLY thinks, with the god syndrome he has, that IF the Texans had drafted him, we would be SB bound! He's a one man team don't ya know!!!

Damn straight, G-ma!

All this crap with Young just shows how much more of a MAN Mario is compared to him. Mario was taking more shit from around the Nation than any athlete I've ever seen and the MAN was a rock. He went about his business like he had no worries, but we all know he was probably being ripped apart inside. The difference is, Mario had the balls to fight through all the negativity like a MAN.

I see a few posters talking about how sorry they are for Vince. Pfft! WTF ever! I do not wish physical (or mental) harm on anybody, but like G-ma said....the guy needs to sack up and be a MAN! Take Momma's tit out of your mouth and go to work!

"You reap what you sew"

Ole Miss Texan
09-10-2008, 10:32 AM
After all the ragging on the guy it turns out he was at friend's house. Someone got freaked out over nothing no big deal.

You still think this isn't a big deal? I'd be really worried if I were the Tennessee front office. You've got a "franchise" QB you've invested millions in and the #3 overall pick who (i) has yet to perform to that status (ii) show any kind of progression in learning the NFL game (iii) is battling with some form of depression (iv) on multiple cases, stated he's not sure if he wants to play football anymore (v) had a hissy fit on the sidelines during the 1st game of the season saying he didn't want to go out on the next drive (vi) gotten in fights with teammates during practice punching a helmet with his bare throwing hand (vii) teammates are losing respect for the guy as their QB of the team (viii) just got injured and has to miss games...something you hold your breath every snap b/c it's bound to happen- he's a Running quarterback (ix) the so called leadership he onced had is non-existent and that was the best attribute he had going into the pros.

but yea... at least he was at a friends house.

J-Russ
09-10-2008, 10:36 AM
It isn't official yet, but it seems Chris Simms was signed to a 3 year deal.

Odd, because it means he isn't being released any time soon, and the Titans don't carry 3 QB's usually. Fisher wouldn't waste a roster spot on a 3rd QB when he could have another DB or RB. Even more odd is they have Ingle Martin on the PS, who is perfect to bring up for a few weeks while VY heals, and then put back down when VY is back.

Well, they had Martin on the PS, until the Chiefs signed him to their 53 man roster shortly after Simms was to be a Titan. Pretty strange really, given Martin's inexperience.

Anyway, I get the feeling Vince is going to be absent for a while, and not because of his strained MCL. I also get the feeling that, before Vince's mother spilled the beans on his mental struggles, Fisher planned to use the knee injury as cover for an extended break without speculation. Ooops. This mother interview is going to be a national story shortly, gg Mrs Young.

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25138&page=6

The Dream
09-10-2008, 10:38 AM
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Part of "growing up" is learning to take criticism like a MAN/WOMAN!! Happen's to the best of us. Athletes in every sport face the same MEDIA blitz of criticism, as do movie stars, ministers, political candidates, etc, etc, etc. MAMA needs to tell her BOY to man up and get some balls!! JMO!! He's acting like a spoiled brat who continues to pout because he didn't get his way.

this is true, but we don't know what's all going on in his personal life........it's easy to criticize from the outside looking in...........and as far as him not "winning" anymore in the NFL, that is really far from the truth. Dude has still accomplished a lot in his brief period of playing in the league........................like I said it could be other things, besides football............................either way get well VY.........

The Dream
09-10-2008, 10:41 AM
Something tells me that Vince is taking medication for some type of psych condition...

His conduct shows manic depressive behavior, anxiety, some anti-social conduct-- all the typical signs of someone not taking their meds or someone taking new meds or a different dosage.

He shouldn't have access to a weapon, even if unloaded.

If it was controlled substances they would have already tested and maybe suspended him under the Drug policy.



or he couldn't be taking meds at all, and has yet to be properly diagnosed.................

Texan_Bill
09-10-2008, 10:41 AM
After all the ragging on the guy it turns out he was at friend's house. Someone got freaked out over nothing no big deal. I say we should leave the guy alone off the field till he breaks a law or something.

Really?
:read: First Chester wasn't arrested for a DWI or anything remotely close.

Second, you wont see me defend anyone that drinks and drives.
If the guy was so distraught that he got liquored up and drove off in a tizzy, than thats even worse than what was being reported, because now he's a danger to other people besides himself... but thats off the point.

This is more about a pattern of immature behavior or a possibly troubled young person. So far in his young career :
a) He misses a flight.
b) Gets into a fight at practice.
c) Sulks on the sidelines (see TC's picture),
d) almost quits,
e) attends a sausage boi party
f) tries to take himself out of the game,
g) gets injured (not that is his fault),
h) sulks some more,
i) and finally Coach Fish gets a phone call from 'concerned' friends. Coach Fish being concerned calls the police... ALL after the first game of only his third season.

Once is an occurrence, Twice is coincidence, three times is a trend....


:read:
You still think this isn't a big deal? I'd be really worried if I were the Tennessee front office. You've got a "franchise" QB you've invested millions in and the #3 overall pick who (i) has yet to perform to that status (ii) show any kind of progression in learning the NFL game (iii) is battling with some form of depression (iv) on multiple cases, stated he's not sure if he wants to play football anymore (v) had a hissy fit on the sidelines during the 1st game of the season saying he didn't want to go out on the next drive (vi) gotten in fights with teammates during practice punching a helmet with his bare throwing hand (vii) teammates are losing respect for the guy as their QB of the team (viii) just got injured and has to miss games...something you hold your breath every snap b/c it's bound to happen- he's a Running quarterback (ix) the so called leadership he onced had is non-existent and that was the best attribute he had going into the pros.

but yea... at least he was at a friends house.

Ole Miss Texan
09-10-2008, 10:53 AM
:read:

Great previous post! haha. Blast! I forgot to mention the sausage party... :lion:

Texan_Bill
09-10-2008, 10:57 AM
Great previous post! haha. Blast! I forgot to mention the sausage party... :lion:

We also forgot to mention how much shite we had to take for not picking sausage boi...

Wolf
09-10-2008, 11:08 AM
We also forgot to mention how much shite we had to take for not picking sausage boi...

on a side note: this one never gets old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6ZOK8okDRA

FirstTexansFan
09-10-2008, 11:15 AM
Eventually Tennessee's going to declare war on us. First we send them Bud Adams, and now this Vince Young thing :)

Porky
09-10-2008, 11:25 AM
Wow, never saw it coming, but looking back all the signs were there.

This is an athlete who was CODDLED from the word go. All thru HS and College, he was the MAN. Nobody could compare atheltically, and everyone annointed him God. Well, now he sees what the big boys have, and he can't do the same things. And he is still living in fantasy land. Nobody close to him will dare to tell him the truth. You can see it in the comments his Mom made.

And fans booing him? Hell, he is used to hero worship. Therefore, it's all crashing down around him quickly. He is in a spiral downward and who knows where it will end, but people in this state have been known to either quit and go into a mental shell or even attempt suicide. He is in dire straits and needs more help than Fisher or the Titans can provide.

To me this is very reminisent of Ricky Williams situation, but worse. I really think for his mental health, he should take a year off or something.

Specnatz
09-10-2008, 12:30 PM
So how is that Mario Williams pick looking right now?

Went to Doc's last night for the $2.50 Shiner's wearing my Texans shirt and the bartender was wearing his Horns hat, he has told me in the past how the Texans made a mistake so I asked him what he thought now ...

He asked if I actually wanted to be served.

Eventually Tennessee's going to declare war on us. First we send them Bud Adams, and now this Vince Young thing :)

Pfft they should declare war on dud for forcing the pick on them.

Honoring Earl 34
09-10-2008, 12:48 PM
Wow, never saw it coming, but looking back all the signs were there.

This is an athlete who was CODDLED from the word go. All thru HS and College, he was the MAN. Nobody could compare atheltically, and everyone annointed him God. Well, now he sees what the big boys have, and he can't do the same things. And he is still living in fantasy land. Nobody close to him will dare to tell him the truth. You can see it in the comments his Mom made.

And fans booing him? Hell, he is used to hero worship. Therefore, it's all crashing down around him quickly. He is in a spiral downward and who knows where it will end, but people in this state have been known to either quit and go into a mental shell or even attempt suicide. He is in dire straits and needs more help than Fisher or the Titans can provide.

To me this is very reminisent of Ricky Williams situation, but worse. I really think for his mental health, he should take a year off or something.


I think another big thing is how bad he wanted to play in Houston . I've never seen a guy in any sport plea to play in his hometown as much as Vince ... know we no why .

Brando
09-10-2008, 12:51 PM
So how is that Mario Williams pick looking right now?

The radio blow hard in Corpus Christi named Scott Howe still thinks it was a dumb pick? I turned it off and will never listen to that station again. If he thinks it's a dumb pick, he loses credibility and he is the one that is dumb. Apparently he is trying the Richard Justice tactic to get traffic toward the station, I'm not playing.

Marcus
09-10-2008, 01:14 PM
Part of "growing up" is learning to take criticism like a MAN/WOMAN!! Happen's to the best of us. Athletes in every sport face the same MEDIA blitz of criticism, as do movie stars, ministers, political candidates, etc, etc, etc. MAMA needs to tell her BOY to man up and get some balls!! JMO!! He's acting like a spoiled brat who continues to pout because he didn't get his way. He made it VERY clear he wanted to be a TEXAN, not a TITAN!:) Probably delusional now, cause he PROBABLY thinks, with the god syndrome he has, that IF the Texans had drafted him, we would be SB bound! He's a one man team don't ya know!!!

Well then, Vince's mama ought to be grateful that her son didn't get drafted by the Texans. If it was Texans fans that booed, he'd have probably done blow'd his head off by now.

Spled
09-10-2008, 03:23 PM
Biggest baby in the NFL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmfe0pu0Jps

Texan_Bill
09-10-2008, 05:33 PM
The radio blow hard in Corpus Christi named Scott Howe still thinks it was a dumb pick? I turned it off and will never listen to that station again. If he thinks it's a dumb pick, he loses credibility and he is the one that is dumb. Apparently he is trying the Richard Justice tactic to get traffic toward the station, I'm not playing.

Call the station and call Howe to the carpet... Hell even Dickie fessed up about VY - sort of.

Second Honeymoon
09-10-2008, 05:44 PM
Call the station and call Howe to the carpet... Hell even Dickie fessed up about VY - sort of.

Dickie also lost his radio show too....

Hottoddie
09-12-2008, 08:03 PM
What on earth could make a player like VY even think about suicide? He's never struck me as someone that would even consider something like that, let alone talk about it. While I don't care for some of the things he's said & done towards the Texans, I would never wish this on him. I pray that it's all just a terrible misunderstanding.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080912/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_titans_young_51

Hottoddie
09-12-2008, 08:12 PM
Never mind. I think this is just a rehashed story. Mods, please close this thread. My mistake.

kastofsna
09-12-2008, 08:21 PM
this is all getting a bit too intrusive to me. why are we hearing what he told his therapist

powerfuldragon
09-12-2008, 08:22 PM
vy has gone emo.

CloakNNNdagger
09-12-2008, 09:30 PM
A report of what really triggered the "manhunt."

Police: Search for Young because of suicide talk (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hDkhf-bvXjivHuP_WeaY1-DZPxLgD935FHQO1)

GP
09-13-2008, 03:48 PM
this is all getting a bit too intrusive to me. why are we hearing what he told his therapist

I know that school teachers can be FIRED if they hear from a student that he/she has mentioned suicide...but the teacher fails to report it.

Suicide mentions are no joke. Had a close friend of ours who would say "Man, I could just kill myself for doing that!" It was a constant "saying," and one day he blew a hole in his heart while driving...car came to stop, he was still alive, and so he put another round through his head. He had numerous mentions of suicide, and a lot of people blew it off. Two weeks away from high school graduation...was sad that a girl didn't like him anymore.

There's a time for privacy and confidentiality, and there's a time to step up and tell the authorities that someone is a risk to themselves. For all we know, this therapist is "outing" VY because it's what's needed.

The Titans and everyone else is trying to smooth this over, acting like it's an "overblown issue" and in the end, it could cost VY his life. If anything, the Titans are doing the wrong thing by trying to minimize what's happening. He ought to be in a comfy, high-class resort area where top-notch specialists can talk to him and re-direct his motivations...bring in his friends and family where he can get away from this for awhile, and then figure out a more long-term activity for VY that can keep him focused and desiring to live.

That'd beat what's happening now: "I can do it! I just know I can."

It's awful. The guy needs to be saved from himself.

kastofsna
09-13-2008, 06:26 PM
i'm well aware that this should be reported and how that all works, but i still don't think that Jeff Fisher should be telling reporters what the therapist said to him or what he said to authorities

Señor Stan
09-13-2008, 06:49 PM
i'm well aware that this should be reported and how that all works, but i still don't think that Jeff Fisher should be telling reporters what the therapist said to him or what he said to authorities

He didn't tell reporters. Fisher has been trying to cover the whole thing starting with the "hamstring" issue on the sidelines.

The media obtained the information from the Police dept.

The Nashville City Paper obtained the report through a public records request and first reported the details Friday afternoon on its Web site.

Goldensilence
09-13-2008, 07:12 PM
What I think when I hear this:

Tennessee

http://mexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/hillbillies.jpg


plus

Police

http://www.shanatinglipton.com/blog/uploads/village.jpg

plus

Vince Young

http://images.ballhype.com/uploads/photos_large/2008/05/15/Vince-Young-Shirtless.jpg

Equals

A regular day in :

http://digitalheadbutt.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/tennessee.jpg

J-Russ
09-13-2008, 09:31 PM
I don't think this deserves its own thread..... yet. But VY could possibly be done with the Titans, and since they hold his rights, he wouldn't be able to sign with anyone else, EVER, unless the Titans trade him.

IS YOUNG DONE?
Posted by Mike Florio on September 13, 2008, 6:31 p.m.

The recent post from MDS regarding Peter King’s report that Titans quarterback Vince Young has lost the locker room (by the way, Eddie George says the same thing on FSN’s PFP . . . check your local listing for the next showing) convinces us that, barring a dramatic turn of events, Young will never play football again for the Tennessee Titans, and possibly never play again for any team.

We firmly believe that Young would retire right now (and very well might have quit the game after his rookie year) if he didn’t have to pay back a big chunk of the bonus money he received when he signed his contract with the team in 2006. And we’re now thinking that the Titans’ best move is to enter an agreement with Young pursuant to which he can retire without repayment obligation, and that he’d have to pay the money back only if he ever signs a contract with another NFL team.

Of course, if Young retires, the Titans could keep him from ever playing for another team by refusing to release him from the reserve/retired list.

With the locker room lost, and with Young certain to face constant verbal harassment from opposing players on the field, this situation will not improve absent some heroic action on Young’s part (perhaps by throwing a pigskin a quarter-mile) to change his teammates’ minds.

Even if he can win back his teammates, he’ll still have to constantly face defenders who believe that, if they frazzle him sufficiently, he’ll fall to pieces.

On a separate note, there was a report/rumor on Eagles-focused site GCobb.com that Young had gone missing again on Friday night, and that police were again looking for him. We haven’t been able to confirm or conclusively debunk this rumor, and while Garry Cobb has done a good job in the past of nailing Eagles’ scoop, Cobb’s suggestion that one of his friends who has friends on the Titans “told me that head coach Jeff Fisher and the police were looking for Young again and there was a fear that he was going to do something bad to himself” is the kind of thing that could prompt no one to ever listen to anything he has to say about any team other than the Eagles, if the report/rumor is incorrect.

Then again, it’s possible that Cobb is right on the money, and that the Titans have managed to completely cover this one up, just as they managed to hide some of the details of Monday night’s incident.

And we don’t blame them for trying to cover this stuff up. In a case like this, disclosure of the truth would only make it harder to Vince Young to continue his career.

Then again, given what we and everyone already know, we think it’s too late for that to happen, and that things are likely to only get worse if/when Young tries to play again.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/