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TexansSeminole
09-07-2008, 03:41 PM
I'm sorry but I had to say it.

This team looks about as bad as I have ever seen them.

Every year people think we are getting better and better but this year going off of the first game, we have clearly taken a step backward.

Yes, the Steelers are a good team, but I don't want to be the team who beats the shit teams and makes the "Oh they are a good team" excuse.

We sucked in every aspect of the game, period.

hradhak
09-07-2008, 03:43 PM
As awful as this game was, this wasn't as bad as I've seen us play. It wasn't far from the worst though...

RTP2110
09-07-2008, 03:44 PM
Yup. Steelers are a good team, but we should be able to play with the big boys by now.

The Dream
09-07-2008, 03:45 PM
i'm not "really" shocked. I mean I thought Schaub would've been better, but I think anyone with common sense realized that this defense is bad outside of a few guys. I expected it to be a little closer, but the texans just flat out layed an egg out there today...................I really think the bad decision of kubiak going for it on 4th and 1 at teh beginning set the tone for the rest of the afternoon.......

Honoring Earl 34
09-07-2008, 03:47 PM
OK ... did anyone else see our center get drove back into Slayton . What's going to happen when Haynesworth gets in there ... duck Matt .

I'm really down on the lines . Except for Mario the OL/DL got their butt kicked bad ... they were manhandled . Where is the fight ... it speaks volumes about a team when they are manhandled .

TexansSeminole
09-07-2008, 03:48 PM
I really think the bad decision of kubiak going for it on 4th and 1 at teh beginning set the tone for the rest of the afternoon.......

Agreed.

It was a terrible decision. It's the first game of the season, and the first drive of the game. I don't care if it's 4th and a millimeter, why the hell go for it? Pin em back and make em work for it.

Then Kubiak gets all pissy on the sidelines and challenges? Your challenging a QB sneak? What the ****? I mean I like Kubiak but that was a bad decision and then he can't even let it go and move on with the game. He sits there and whines to the ref.

So sad.

Honoring Earl 34
09-07-2008, 03:52 PM
Agreed.

It was a terrible decision. It's the first game of the season, and the first drive of the game. I don't care if it's 4th and a millimeter, why the hell go for it? Pin em back and make em work for it.

Then Kubiak gets all pissy on the sidelines and challenges? Your challenging a QB sneak? What the ****? I mean I like Kubiak but that was a bad decision and then he can't even let it go and move on with the game. He sits there and whines to the ref.

So sad.

Even though I thought Schaub made it , it's the difference between good teams and beggars .

Corrosion
09-07-2008, 03:54 PM
As awful as this game was, this wasn't as bad as I've seen us play. It wasn't far from the worst though...

The Texans offense has actually played worse than this and WON .... see 46 yards of total offense Vs. the same team a couple years back.

Marcus
09-07-2008, 03:56 PM
Agreed.

It was a terrible decision. It's the first game of the season, and the first drive of the game. I don't care if it's 4th and a millimeter, why the hell go for it? Pin em back and make em work for it.

Then Kubiak gets all pissy on the sidelines and challenges? Your challenging a QB sneak? What the ****? I mean I like Kubiak but that was a bad decision and then he can't even let it go and move on with the game. He sits there and whines to the ref.

So sad.

Nothing personal, but that is sheer hindsight crap. If the official hadn't of blown the call and the first down was made, you would have praised Kubiak for being aggressive. I liked the call, and Schaub made the first down. Just because the official blew the call doesn't change that.

Maddict5
09-07-2008, 03:57 PM
the giants last year the giants last year (holding on hope)

TexansSeminole
09-07-2008, 03:59 PM
Nothing personal, but that is sheer hindsight crap. If the official hadn't of blown the call and the first down was made, you would have praised Kubiak for being aggressive. I liked the call, and Schaub made the first down. Just because the official blew the call doesn't change that.

Says who? You? Your just assuming. Get that crap out of here.

It was a bad decision IMO, there is no hindsight.

You can say whatever the hell you want. Your "Richard Smith aint a problem" posts are enough for me to look to the next post anyway.

brakos82
09-07-2008, 04:01 PM
the giants last year the giants last year (holding on hope)
Kumbiaya or however the **** you spell it..

Maddict5
09-07-2008, 04:02 PM
Agreed.

It was a terrible decision. It's the first game of the season, and the first drive of the game. I don't care if it's 4th and a millimeter, why the hell go for it? Pin em back and make em work for it.

Then Kubiak gets all pissy on the sidelines and challenges? Your challenging a QB sneak? What the ****? I mean I like Kubiak but that was a bad decision and then he can't even let it go and move on with the game. He sits there and whines to the ref.

So sad.

i have no time for people like you.. if he punts and the steelers still hand our asses to us (which they wouldve), people like yourself wouldve said : 'oh kubiak gave up right at the start anyway- punting on 4th on inches'

punting on 4th and 1 in enemy territory is loser football and im glad kubiak chose to go for it. but yeah those 20 yards we lost on a bs decision was what lost the game :rolleyes:

kubiak was rightfully pissed at the decision by the refs. it was the wrong cal. why not challenge it? its just a timeout for fvck sake

TexansSeminole
09-07-2008, 04:05 PM
i have no time for people like you.. if he punts and the steelers still hand our asses to us (which they wouldve), people like yourself wouldve said : 'oh kubiak gave up right at the start anyway- punting on 4th on inches'

If you are that much of an *****. Just don't respond.

Ya'll just assume shit.

It's the first drive of the first game of the season and your already going for it on 4th down.

"Loser football"? Are you kidding me? We are at like the 49 yard line! Yea we are so far into enemy territory. "That's loser football!"


kubiak was rightfully pissed at the decision by the refs. it was the wrong cal. why not challenge it? its just a timeout for fvck sake

Kubiak can be as mad as he wants but when you lose concentrate on the next play. Say something to the D to get them pumped up. Don't cry to the ref. That does absolutely NOTHING for you. It's a QB sneak. What kinda angle are you going to get buddy?

Your "it's just a timeout for fvck sake" comment says enough for me to move along.

but yeah those 20 yards we lost on a bs decision was what lost the game :rolleyes:

Look at you, your arguments are so weak that your putting words into people's mouth.

It doesn't matter that we are only at the 49 yard line. We are in enemy territory! It would be loser football to punt!

nunusguy
09-07-2008, 04:14 PM
Agreed.

It was a terrible decision. It's the first game of the season, and the first drive of the game. I don't care if it's 4th and a millimeter, why the hell go for it? Pin em back and make em work for it.

Then Kubiak gets all pissy on the sidelines and challenges? Your challenging a QB sneak? What the ****? I mean I like Kubiak but that was a bad decision and then he can't even let it go and move on with the game. He sits there and whines to the ref.

So sad.
Obviously it doesn't look good now, but I still liked the call. He knew he'd have to take some chances to have a shot up there, and I think they got to the first down marker, but the call just didn't go their way.
They were just outmanned. The Steelers owned, dominated the line play on both offense and defense all day long.
We can only hope the Steelers are that good, because if they aren't we got big, big problems.

TexansLucky13
09-07-2008, 04:16 PM
I liked the call and I thought Schaub had it, but it's neither here nor there. I don't think it cost us the game by any stretch of the imagination. We simply got outplayed on both sides.

Hervoyel
09-07-2008, 04:19 PM
Nothing personal, but that is sheer hindsight crap. If the official hadn't of blown the call and the first down was made, you would have praised Kubiak for being aggressive. I liked the call, and Schaub made the first down. Just because the official blew the call doesn't change that.

Very true. The thing to be concerned about there is the really lousy attempt at salvaging that bad call with a challenge. The chance that they will have an angle giving a strong enough view to overturn the decision on the field is minuscule at best. As soon as they screwed us on the call I thought ok, get em' on the next possession and then when I saw Kubiak was challenging I was like "No, no, no what are you doing Gary?"

It was a QB inside a pile. what in the hell did he think the camera would show other than that there were a lot of people standing in a small amount of space. Bad challenge (which we seem to get a lot of out of Gary).

TexansSeminole
09-07-2008, 04:20 PM
I liked the call and I thought Schaub had it, but it's neither here nor there. I don't think it cost us the game by any stretch of the imagination. We simply got outplayed on both sides.

Nobody is saying that it cost us the game. Dream said that it set the tone for the rest of the game, and I agree.

For the record, I think it was obvious that Schaub got the first down. He took 2 maybe even 3 steps forward.

I just would not have made the call. It's so early in the season and we are only at the 49 yard line, I mean there is a good chance we won't get it.

The challenge was really a bad decision IMO. It's a QB sneak, I mean when can you ever tell if the QB made it on a replay of a QB sneak where it's just a pile up. Almost like it was a shot in the dark decision by Kubiak. In the first couple minutes of the first quarter. That kinda stuff just doesn't sit well with me.

The Dream
09-07-2008, 04:21 PM
Nothing personal, but that is sheer hindsight crap. If the official hadn't of blown the call and the first down was made, you would have praised Kubiak for being aggressive. I liked the call, and Schaub made the first down. Just because the official blew the call doesn't change that.




nah I was screaming b4 the play that he shouldn't do it, lol.........if he would've made it, it would've been nice, but you don't go for that at that point in the game.......

TexansLucky13
09-07-2008, 04:22 PM
Very true. The thing to be concerned about there is the really lousy attempt at salvaging that bad call with a challenge. The chance that they will have an angle giving a strong enough view to overturn the decision on the field is minuscule at best. As soon as they screwed us on the call I thought ok, get em' on the next possession and then when I saw Kubiak was challenging I was like "No, no, no what are you doing Gary?"

It was a QB inside a pile. what in the hell did he thing the camera would show other than that there were a lot of people standing in a small amount of space. Bad challenge (which we seem to get a lot of out of Gary).

The angle from behind the LOS on our side showed him get pretty deep into the pile. Also, the LJ signaled a first down when he was running to the pile after the play was whistled dead.

Like he said, it's all hindsight. I've come to the conclusion, though, that the Texans are just flat-out unlucky.

gtexan02
09-07-2008, 04:24 PM
If you are that much of an *****. Just don't respond.

Ya'll just assume shit.

It's the first drive of the first game of the season and your already going for it on 4th down.

"Loser football"? Are you kidding me? We are at like the 49 yard line! Yea we are so far into enemy territory. "That's loser football!"



Kubiak can be as mad as he wants but when you lose concentrate on the next play. Say something to the D to get them pumped up. Don't cry to the ref. That does absolutely NOTHING for you. It's a QB sneak. What kinda angle are you going to get buddy?

Your "it's just a timeout for fvck sake" comment says enough for me to move along.



Look at you, your arguments are so weak that your putting words into people's mouth.

It doesn't matter that we are only at the 49 yard line. We are in enemy territory! It would be loser football to punt!


Jeez, settle down man. You aren't a football coach, so all your talk is just assumptions as well. It was a 50/50 call. I can see it either way. I say go for it and build some confidence.

That call didn't lose us the game. The rest of the game did

HJam72
09-07-2008, 04:27 PM
It was the right call. The refs screwed us.

We lost this game 35-3, as far as I'm concerned; so, it matters very little.

TexansSeminole
09-07-2008, 04:28 PM
nah I was screaming b4 the play that he shouldn't do it, lol.........if he would've made it, it would've been nice, but you don't go for that at that point in the game.......

That's what I am saying.

But these homers don't listen. They just assume.

Jeez, settle down man. You aren't a football coach, so all your talk is just assumptions as well.

The assumption being made is that people like me who disagreed with the call would have liked it had it worked. It's just a dumb assumption. Easiest thing to do is assume shit.

Maddict5
09-07-2008, 04:29 PM
If you are that much of an *****. Just don't respond.

Ya'll just assume shit.

It's the first drive of the first game of the season and your already going for it on 4th down.

"Loser football"? Are you kidding me? We are at like the 49 yard line! Yea we are so far into enemy territory. "That's loser football!"

what does 'the first drive/first game' have to do with anything? does that mean it'd be ok on the second drive/second game? punting on 4th and 1 in enemy territory when you know you're D has played crap in PS (and you know is weak) and you're playing a team you know you'll struggle to stay with, you cant afford to say 'ah lets leave it till the next possession'. its called knowing your team. punting on 4th and short in the maroon zone is always loser football and should never be done


Kubiak can be as mad as he wants but when you lose concentrate on the next play. Say something to the D to get them pumped up. Don't cry to the ref. That does absolutely NOTHING for you. It's a QB sneak. What kinda angle are you going to get buddy?

Your "it's just a timeout for fvck sake" comment says enough for me to move along.

Look at you, your arguments are so weak that your putting words into people's mouth.

It doesn't matter that we are only at the 49 yard line. We are in enemy territory! It would be loser football to punt!

when everyone saw it, they said it was a bs call.. everyone knew it.. why wouldnt you challenge it and hope the refs use common sense and see it was clearly a 1st down..

say something to the D? lol.yeah thats what he shouldve done. oh and the 'bitching' did no good? maybe you missed the bs offensive PI call on ward a couple series later? thats what one might say is a 'a makeup call'

and yes your post was dogging kubiak for wasting 1 single TO. guess what 'buddy', we have alot bigger problems than that. take your own advice: quit bitching about it and concentrate on the next game :)

:scarygirl:

TexansSeminole
09-07-2008, 04:32 PM
:scarygirl:

Yea, your right.

I'm just going to leave it at.

BUTTT I will always remember you saying that punting in enemy territory, even if it is only the 49 yard line, is "ALWAYS loser football".

disaacks3
09-07-2008, 04:33 PM
Nobody is saying that it cost us the game. Dream said that it set the tone for the rest of the game, and I agree.

For the record, I think it was obvious that Schaub got the first down. He took 2 maybe even 3 steps forward.

I just would not have made the call. It's so early in the season and we are only at the 49 yard line, I mean there is a good chance we won't get it.

The challenge was really a bad decision IMO. It's a QB sneak, I mean when can you ever tell if the QB made it on a replay of a QB sneak where it's just a pile up. Almost like it was a shot in the dark decision by Kubiak. In the first couple minutes of the first quarter. That kinda stuff just doesn't sit well with me.
Much more "reasoned" tone, and fairly agreeable. The Texans looked like they never got over that call.

Going for it was an 'iffy' call, but that's what we pay 'em for. It appeared to everybody (including the Ref) that he had it but we get hosed by a lousy spot.

Challenging (at that point) was a waste as there aren't usually good angles on a QB sneak. The point that it only costs us a Timeout is valid, but it looked like it demoralized the team, rather than fire them up.

I didn't really see fantastic play from anyone other than Williams, Ryans, Okoye & Johnson. Everybody else looked hit/miss at best.

Maddict5
09-07-2008, 04:38 PM
Yea, your right.

I'm just going to leave it at.

BUTTT I will always remember you saying that punting in enemy territory, even if it is only the 49 yard line, is "ALWAYS loser football".

it is why you have a crappy D that cant stop anyone and you're playing a good offence..

obviously punting on short down and distance is fine sometimes if:

a) you have a good D that will get you the ball back by keeping the other team backed up

b) you're playing a crappy offence

we had the luxury of neither today so yes it was the right call. punting in that situation would have been game over anyway. we take a lead, get a little confidence- still prob lose but you never know

you're venting.. thats ok- we all do it from time to time. i shouldnt have responded in the first place and let it die down

GP
09-07-2008, 04:42 PM
We lost this game as soon as it was scheduled, so I wasn't upset about it. Losing the 4th down call was not a big deal. We were soundly outplayed all day.

Here's the good news:

The Ravens look very beatable. They weren't running away with their game like they should have.

Did you catch some Jaguars and Titans football today? They BOTH are very very beatable. Heck, it looked like neither team wanted to win the game. Vince is already majorly hurt and appears to be in his "I think I might not want to play football" depression-mode again.

Miami and Detroit are beatable, and we have them at home IIRC.

Colts represent the only real threat similar to the Steelers today.

Even with the way we played today, I personally think we can OUTPLAY Ravens, Jaguars, Titans, Dolphins, and Lions.

That means we might be looking at 5-2 by our bye week. We aren't going to beat teams like the Colts or Steelers (unless they just fail to really prepare for us)...but can beat the other teams, and I am not going to have a coronary over losing to a VERY good Steelers team who looks to have returned to their form from a few years back.

Texecutioner
09-08-2008, 10:12 AM
Much more "reasoned" tone, and fairly agreeable. The Texans looked like they never got over that call.

Going for it was an 'iffy' call, but that's what we pay 'em for. It appeared to everybody (including the Ref) that he had it but we get hosed by a lousy spot.

Challenging (at that point) was a waste as there aren't usually good angles on a QB sneak. The point that it only costs us a Timeout is valid, but it looked like it demoralized the team, rather than fire them up.

I didn't really see fantastic play from anyone other than Williams, Ryans, Okoye & Johnson. Everybody else looked hit/miss at best.

If the Texans were demoralized after one missed 4th down play at the beginning of the game, then that would only show that the entire coaching staff is garbage and should be out of there. I'm not saying that you're right about them being demoralized, but that is one play at the beginning of the game.

The team looked bad from pretty much every angle. This looked like the same Texans regime from a few years ago when Carr and Capers were here. I honestly thought we had a good shot at winning this game, and I am not like others in here who think that this was a loss from the jump. That right there is ridiculous to say something like that!!

So many people in here swore that the Texans were playoff bound, but now act like this was some "can't win game". That is bull, and I'm not surprised that we lost, but no way should the Texans have gotten mishandled all over the field the way they did. The Texans are not supposed to be looking like expansion teams any more. Kubiak had better this team back on track and real fast or like many of the other 2 year coaches I'm hearing about, he needs to be on the hot seat as well if he doesn't get this thing turned around. Absolutely no excuse for the Texans to have gotten punished like that for the entire game.

Vinny
09-08-2008, 10:16 AM
I thought it was two bad spots and two bad decisions for Kubiak.

Double Barrel
09-08-2008, 10:39 AM
OK ... did anyone else see our center get drove back into Slayton . What's going to happen when Haynesworth gets in there ... duck Matt .

No doubt. The Titans sacked Garrard SEVEN times yesterday. I don't want to even begin to imagine the bloodbath if our o-line can't do a better job of protecting Schaub than they did against the Steelers. Seeing no. 8 run around in the backfield because of broken blocks gave me bad flashbacks!

I thought it was two bad spots and two bad decisions for Kubiak.

I agree. And we really can't expect the lowly Texans to ever get those calls. That's just not the way it works in this league, especially on the road.

b0ng
09-08-2008, 11:28 AM
That bad spot was so at the beginning of the game you have to overcome that kind of stuff to win football games. If the team is giving up on the game with like 12 minutes left in the first quarter then we aren't going to win a lot of games at all.

The 3-4 look obviously confused the ENTIRE offensive line, not just Duane Brown. I saw Winston get beat handily by his man on one of the sacks. There was pressure coming from every angle, not just Schaub's blindside. I think the people who say "wait until week 5 or 6 and we'll see what the offensive line is like" are correct. It's obviously a work in progress and Gibbs lines are not known for really bringing sack numbers down, it's the improved running game that's supposed to do that.

The D-line however just looked like poop outside of Mario. Some people say that Amobi got good penetration, but I didn't see him too terribly often. There was some pressure on Big Ben, but not nearly enough, you can also tell that Pittsburgh was throwing a lot of the 3 step drops and that's tough to sack no matter who you are. Fred Bennett getting abused was also very disheartening.

But I wasn't expecting a win here, I was hoping we'd at least be competitive. Lets just hope that Matt shakes this game off as well as Duane Brown and probably the entire secondary.

Polo
09-08-2008, 11:31 AM
I actually don't think the roof is caving in on us.

I still think this is the best Texans team we've had...

Don't know if the results will bear that out, but I do think we'll be fine as the season goes on...

Hopefully that punch in the throat delivered by pittsburgh wakes our guys up and they play with more fire next week....

Seņor Stan
09-08-2008, 11:36 AM
The 3-4 look obviously confused the ENTIRE offensive line, not just Duane Brown. I saw Winston get beat handily by his man on one of the sacks. There was pressure coming from every angle, not just Schaub's blindside. I think the people who say "wait until week 5 or 6 and we'll see what the offensive line is like" are correct. It's obviously a work in progress and Gibbs lines are not known for really bringing sack numbers down, it's the improved running game that's supposed to do that.

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The yet to be improved running game should help pass protection because runs and passes should look the same. Teams should not be able to cheat for fear of getting burned for a big gain on the ground.

The problem is that the defense got blown away so quickly that Pittsburgh KNEW we were going to have to pass.

I am not as worried about the offense, as I am the sorry performance of the Defense. Our inability to stop the run is maddening.

cuppacoffee
09-08-2008, 11:40 AM
Nothing personal, but that is sheer hindsight crap. If the official hadn't of blown the call and the first down was made, you would have praised Kubiak for being aggressive. I liked the call, and Schaub made the first down. Just because the official blew the call doesn't change that.


Exactly.

We got hosed on the call, watch the ref on the far side of the field.

That call did not cost us the game though. We were manhandled all day.

As discouraged as I was watching the game, it is only one game.

Lets hope the team didn't set a pattern.

:coffee:

texanhead08
09-08-2008, 11:41 AM
i'm not "really" shocked. I mean I thought Schaub would've been better, but I think anyone with common sense realized that this defense is bad outside of a few guys. I expected it to be a little closer, but the texans just flat out layed an egg out there today...................I really think the bad decision of kubiak going for it on 4th and 1 at teh beginning set the tone for the rest of the afternoon.......

Bad decision or not we got screwed on the call. The ref signals first down and then all of a sudden he remembers he is in steeler country and changes the call. That didnt mean we would win or be in the game but it seemed to take all the wind out of our sails right off the bat