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Texans Pride
09-02-2008, 04:41 PM
“Texans have a Ferocious Pass Russ”

This is the exact quote from Adam Schefter as reported on Team Cam on NFL Network. Also says Pittsburg will be up against a very tough defense especially with Mario coming into his own in his third season, and that this will be a tough assignment for the Steelers.

What exactly ferocious pass rush is he speaking of? I agree that Mario is a dominating beast, but he certainly cannot do it alone, and I have yet to see anyone step up beside him, or in our secondary.

Joe Texan
09-02-2008, 04:42 PM
Just watch Sunday then we will evaluate the Pass rush

kiwitexansfan
09-02-2008, 04:49 PM
Just watch Sunday then we will evaluate the Pass rush

Where is the fun in that?

Bring on the wild speculation, the woe is me despair and the ridiculous hyperbole... or are we saving that for the next gameday thread?

TEXANRED
09-02-2008, 04:50 PM
Just watch Sunday then we will evaluate the Pass rush

I agree.

We really won't know what we have until about week 3.

I do know one thing, if the Texans want to run with the big dogs then they are going to have to step up and play like a big dog.

Goldensilence
09-02-2008, 04:53 PM
“Texans have a Ferocious Pass Russ”

This is the exact quote from Adam Schefter as reported on Team Cam on NFL Network. Also says Pittsburg will be up against a very tough defense especially with Mario coming into his own in his third season, and that this will be a tough assignment for the Steelers.

What exactly ferocious pass rush is he speaking of? I agree that Mario is a dominating beast, but he certainly cannot do it alone, and I have yet to see anyone step up beside him, or in our secondary.

Looking at this preseason the only thing ferocious about our pass rush is the gust of wind from whiffing on the side opposite of Mario Williams...or maybe that is a blur from Anthony Weaver dropping back in coverage really fast.

Specnatz
09-02-2008, 05:00 PM
Where is the fun in that?

Bring on the wild speculation, the woe is me despair and the ridiculous hyperbole... or are we saving that for the next gameday thread?

Me loves me some despair.

Nawzer
09-02-2008, 05:14 PM
Ferocious pass rush???? What has Schefter been watching? I and probably most other Texans fans agree that Mario Williams can be a dominating force but it's a team game. Anyway, I hope Schefter is right and maybe he knows something we all don't.

Silver Oak
09-02-2008, 05:27 PM
I think he is basing his preview on the way the Texans finished up the season last year, and I tend to agree with him based on that. With nothing much changing besides our acquiring more (better?) depth, I will expect the same amount we saw last year.

:fans:

b0ng
09-02-2008, 05:27 PM
Notable football pundit claims Texans team does something great. Fans get pissed. News at 11.

ChampionTexan
09-02-2008, 05:30 PM
Notable football pundit claims Texans team does something great. Fans get pissed. News at 11.

Can you imaginge what would have happened if he predicted we wouldn't do well? The exact same thing!

alphajoker
09-02-2008, 05:41 PM
I think what he meant to say was, the Texans have a Ferocious Pass Rusher in Mario Williams

jaayteetx
09-02-2008, 05:43 PM
Preseason. Means. Nothing.

texanfreak
09-02-2008, 05:59 PM
:texflag:what Adam means is they just go through the motions in pre-season. But come the regular season it's time to get NASTY.:texflag:

PapaL
09-02-2008, 06:00 PM
Where is the fun in that?

Bring on the wild speculation, the woe is me despair and the ridiculous hyperbole... or are we saving that for the next gameday thread?

That is reserved for the threads following our first loss, if that ever happens.

CloakNNNdagger
09-02-2008, 06:14 PM
Originally Posted by Texans Pride
“Texans have a Ferocious Pass Russ”

You sure he didn't say "atrocious?" :thinking: No matter what he did say, I'll be hoping to see the Texans play the part of the bull...........instead of slinging it.:texflag:

Thorn
09-02-2008, 06:16 PM
They really need to win. If they are anything less than 3-4 before the break, the season is toast.

Second Honeymoon
09-02-2008, 06:30 PM
Has Schefter even watched Richard Smith's defense the last few years. Just an embarassing scheme and no pass rush to speak of. Richard Smith is probably the worst Defensive Coordinator in the league...it sucks but its true.

Norg
09-03-2008, 03:31 AM
I think he means mario will get double teamed and that will open a slot for others .....

dalemurphy
09-03-2008, 03:57 AM
Our DL looked good against Denver and in the first quarter vs. New Orleans. It's kind of funny how concerned we've all gotten, myself included, because we struggled to get pressure on Romo and Brees. Well, those are two of the best QBs, on two of the best offenses, behind two of the best lines in the NFL... and, it was only preseason.

We should be able to pressure Rothlisburger and get some sacks. The Pitt line is under transition and not very good in pass protection and Big Ben tends to hold the ball a little long looking for the big play. I think we're all going to feel better about the pass rush after Sunday's 4 - 5 sack performance.

Tedc
09-03-2008, 06:39 AM
Our DL looked good against Denver and in the first quarter vs. New Orleans. It's kind of funny how concerned we've all gotten, myself included, because we struggled to get pressure on Romo and Brees. Well, those are two of the best QBs, on two of the best offenses, behind two of the best lines in the NFL... and, it was only preseason.

We should be able to pressure Rothlisburger and get some sacks. The Pitt line is under transition and not very good in pass protection and Big Ben tends to hold the ball a little long looking for the big play. I think we're all going to feel better about the pass rush after Sunday's 4 - 5 sack performance.

I have been saying all along that the Texans line is not as bad as it seems in preseason. I feel we CAN pressure and we will. The real games start now with our real "D".

The "Bull Rush" is ON!

Wolfiegrrl
09-03-2008, 08:25 AM
Sunday will prove how much the "Chain Gang" has improved. Amobi and Mario will dominate the Steelers' o-line. Great things to come from that young front. :texflag:

Cjeremy635
09-03-2008, 08:46 AM
Sunday will prove how much the "Chain Gang" has improved. Amobi and Mario will dominate the Steelers' o-line. Great things to come from that young front. :texflag:

I like your enthusiasm and I hope you are correct. I'd like to think it works out that way, but I've got a lot of concerns at this point and I won't feel at ease until I see the defense show up to play on Sunday. I see teams, like the Patriots and the Colts, who can play relaxed in preseason but turn on a switch once the games start for real. I'm not sure we have that luxury and it's been my experience that what we see in preseason tends to equal what we see for the first few games alteast. I'm not trying to be negative, I'm just trying to avoid being set up for a let down. Having said that, I still get excited with the hope that they will be better than they have been in the past.

Texan_Bill
09-03-2008, 08:56 AM
I'm going to call Bubba's today and make sure that my beer pitcher and mug are plastic and not glass. I have a sneaking suspicion that watching our "D" is going to have me somewhat agitated...

Thorn
09-03-2008, 09:02 AM
I'm going to call Bubba's today and make sure that my beer pitcher and mug are plastic and not glass. I have a sneaking suspicion that watching our "D" is going to have me somewhat agitated...

I said a lot of things here in the past few weeks after a couple of poor pre-season games, but I am just hoping we haven't seen all the good things yet.

So far though, I see two glaring weaknesses on the Texans. The running game and the entire defense. LOL

Wolf
09-03-2008, 09:17 AM
i am like Joe .. I am waiting to see what the regular season is going to be

but so far what I have seen from the defense as a whole is the Richard Smith Defensive scheme smiley (aka lion)

:lion:

Dancerdog
09-03-2008, 11:11 AM
I am still waiting for the Texans to come out and play with some ATTITUDE! I haven't seen it this preseason as of yet. I'm not sure where the fault lies, but I don't see the intensity that I think should be there. I don't know if it's Richard Smith's coaching style or what, but I feel like our defense doesn't live up to their potential. The talent is there. Let's go out Sunday and play our hearts out. We're all waiting to see you live up to your potential. Amobe Akoye, we're watching YOU!

thunderkyss
09-03-2008, 12:07 PM
I think he is basing his preview on the way the Texans finished up the season last year, and I tend to agree with him based on that. With nothing much changing besides our acquiring more (better?) depth, I will expect the same amount we saw last year.

:fans:

Breakdown the end of the season for me... were we "ferocious"





:lion:

Silver Oak
09-03-2008, 12:33 PM
Breakdown the end of the season for me... were we "ferocious"





:lion:

I never used the word ferocious, however I do think our line showed above average pressure (mainly Mario), and I believe the same can be expected this season, as opposed to what we've seen in preseason.

I'm not an expert, but by adding 2+2 together, that's what I foresee.

Polo
09-03-2008, 01:04 PM
Breakdown the end of the season for me... were we "ferocious"
:lion:

At times....Yes....

b0ng
09-03-2008, 02:59 PM
Breakdown the end of the season for me... were we "ferocious"





:lion:

Jay Cutler thinks the Texans d-line was pretty good last year.

GP
09-03-2008, 06:53 PM
Breakdown the end of the season for me... were we "ferocious"

Easiest question ever. Answer: No.

Richard Smith won the lottery when he was chosen as Texans DC.

Ain't nobody luckier than that guy.

beerlover
09-03-2008, 07:45 PM
Easiest question ever. Answer: No.

Richard Smith won the lottery when he was chosen as Texans DC.

Ain't nobody luckier than that guy.

:foottap: David Carr :money:

Shaft75
09-03-2008, 11:00 PM
Dear Pessimistic Preseason Defensive Scheme (Over)Analysts,

We have only seen the preseason so far.

Calm Down,
Shaft75

threetoedpete
09-04-2008, 03:47 AM
Breakdown the end of the season for me... were we "ferocious":lion:

Well when I was a small yonker I watched David "deacon" Jones come into his own. This generation doesn't know what domination of an o-lineman is. But I saw it first hand. Numbers aren't in any record books. But they should be. I can't remember whether it was '65 & '66 or '66 & '67, but he put up 24 sacks one year and twenty six sacks the next.

I won't say Mario can come close to this kind of production in the modern era. What I will say if they are doubling and tripling the guy, someone should be open one on one to make a play. And if Okoye and Travis Johnson aren't putting Big Ben on the ground all day under this circumstance, they are stealing from Bob McNair.

76Texan
09-04-2008, 09:26 AM
We need to change our culture around here folks!
Think winning! :texflag:

thunderkyss
09-04-2008, 11:29 AM
I won't say Mario can come close to this kind of production in the modern era. What I will say if they are doubling and tripling the guy, someone should be open one on one to make a play. And if Okoye and Travis Johnson aren't putting Big Ben on the ground all day under this circumstance, they are stealing from Bob McNair.

I posted the question, because the guy I quoted insinuated, that our pass rush looked like the real deal, near the end of the season. I was asking for clarification.

& as far as the if Mario is double & triple teamed, then someone should be able to beat the 1 on 1 & get to the QB. We would see this in someone else's sack count at the end of the season, or... we'd have seen something in the pre-season to suggest this(something like pressure on the opposing QB). We've seen neither.

Hey, I know it was "just" the preseason, & I can understand veterans with nothing to prove thinking they'll just go through the motions... maybe that's what Colvin was doing... but our young guys should know how much of an issue it is for us to get pressure to the QB. Our coaches shouldn't be pulling any punches, and we should have seen something other than what we have.

Our only hope, is that Amobi can find whatever edge he had at the beginning of the season, and Mario hasn't lost whatever drive he found last year.

IF those two are who we thought they were, then I can see a much improved defense.

& with some of the things our coaches have our guys doing, I'm a little worried.

ObsiWan
09-04-2008, 12:34 PM
Well when I was a small yonker I watched David "deacon" Jones come into his own. This generation doesn't know what domination of an o-lineman is. But I saw it first hand. Numbers aren't in any record books. But they should be. I can't remember whether it was '65 & '66 or '66 & '67, but he put up 24 sacks one year and twenty six sacks the next.

I won't say Mario can come close to this kind of production in the modern era. What I will say if they are doubling and tripling the guy, someone should be open one on one to make a play. And if Okoye and Travis Johnson aren't putting Big Ben on the ground all day under this circumstance, they are stealing from Bob McNair.

I remember David Jones.
And I agree, if there was any justice, NFL films would go thru their archives and count up his sacks and put the sack record where it belongs.

BUT...
Deacon had an advantage Mario doesn't have. The three other guys who were on the D-line with him were each forces in their own right.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/Fearsome_Foursome.jpg
Merlin Olsen, Lamar Lundy, and Rosey Greer were pro bowlers themselves at one time or another. So to double Deacon was leave at least one pro bowl D-lineman one-on-one. And whoever you left one-on-one made you pay.

Now we have Weaver, T.J., and Amobi.... Not exactly the Fearsome Foursome. Personally, I haven't seen any evidence that anyone besides Mario can beat one-on-one blocking... Although the talking heads would have you think Amobi is going to be good.

maybe....




You know, that brings up a pet peeve; in those days you earned your rep by what you did on the field. Today, talking heads, like MelHairGel are declaring you a Hall-of-Famer before younguns take a G/D NFL snap.

buddyboy
09-04-2008, 12:54 PM
You know, that brings up a pet peeve; in those days you earned your rep by what you did on the field. Today, talking heads, like MelHairGel are declaring you a Hall-of-Famer before younguns take a G/D NFL snap.

Another thing that fans tend to do is get angry/disappointed when players don't live up to the hype that the talking heads generate, even when the player is a solid starter. I hate it when players are criticized simply for the fact that they may have been drafted too high or are not living up to expectations.

ObsiWan
09-04-2008, 01:30 PM
Another thing that fans tend to do is get angry/disappointed when players don't live up to the hype that the talking heads generate, even when the player is a solid starter. I hate it when players are criticized simply for the fact that they may have been drafted too high or are not living up to expectations.

exactly.

Its like getting mad at your blind date because she isn't the fabulous "10" your friend told you she was.
Your anger should be directed at your "friend" who lied to you, not your date.

...but then that would mean we'd have to accept - at least a little bit - that we were stupid enough to believe that friend in the first place. Most egos won't stand for that. We'd rather blame the date for not living up to OUR expectations.