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TheTim5125
12-22-2004, 08:00 AM
The Pro Bowl selection show is on espn tonight... 7:00 EST, 6:00 for you guys in houston. Anyhow just wanted to let you gets know... Go D-Rob and AJ.

Blake
12-22-2004, 09:43 AM
Does the list get revealed today? When you do get the list, just throw it down on this thread.

AndreJ
12-22-2004, 10:09 AM
Yeah the pro bowl teams will be anounced today at 6 pm CT on ESPN. I hope dunta and AJ get in. :coolb:

Blake
12-22-2004, 10:15 AM
That would be awesome. Im waiting on getting a Battle Red AJ or DR jersey incase they get in the pro-bowl. Then im going to snag a pro-bowl jersey. Or maybe ill just get both. :P

BornOrange
12-22-2004, 12:13 PM
It is stupid for the NFL to announce Pro Bowl selections before the season has ended.

They should name the Pro Bowl teams during halftime of the first wildcard game.

Ihategeeks
12-22-2004, 12:22 PM
Lions Probowlers-

Starters

Shaun Rogers
Dre' Bly
Eddie Drummond

Alternates

Kevin Jones
Cory Schlesinger
Damien Woody

edo783
12-22-2004, 12:41 PM
ESPN site announces that 9 Eagles make the team and they had the pick for a couple of other teams. Apparently the Eagles and Broncos teams let them know who on their teams made it about 6 hrs before the league will be announcing it.

Fiddy
12-22-2004, 12:55 PM
Culpepper, Center Matt Birk and Defensive Tackle Kevin Williams of the Vikings have made the Pro Bowl.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/503/5150562.html

Defensive end Jason Taylor is the lone Dolphin Pro Bowler.

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041222/APS/412220789

LB Derrick Brooks and CB Ronde Barber of the Tampa Bay Bucs have made the Pro Bowl.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/12/22/Bucs/Brooks__Barber_to_Pro.shtml

LB Marcus Washington is the lone Redskin Pro Bowler.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19255-2004Dec22.html

WR Chad Johnson, RT Willie Anderson and CB Troy James of the Cincinnati Bengals have made the Pro Bowl.

http://www.bengals.com/press/news.asp?iCurPage=0&news_id=2650

DE Bertrand Berry is the lone Cardinal Pro Bowler.

http://www.azcardinals.com/news/news_details.html?iid=2518

RB Tiki Barber is the lone Giant Pro Bowler.

http://www.giants.com/

QB Michael Vick, TE Alge Crumpler, LB Keith Brooking and DE Patrick Kerney of the Atlanta Falcons have made the Pro Bowl.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/1204/23probowl.html

AndreJ
12-22-2004, 01:09 PM
If all these other team already know i guess D-Rob and AJ did not make it.

Fiddy
12-22-2004, 01:11 PM
If all these other team already know i guess D-Rob and AJ did not make it.Not all teams are annoucing them yet...

Ihategeeks
12-22-2004, 01:18 PM
Troy James?

Thats got to be the WTF for of this years probowl.

Fiddy
12-22-2004, 01:22 PM
Troy James?

Thats got to be the WTF for of this years probowl.Yeah, the reason he got in was because of his 7 INTs...

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
12-22-2004, 01:25 PM
5 Ravens

Ogden
R. Lewis
Suggs
Reed
McAlister

Ihategeeks
12-22-2004, 01:27 PM
Tory James has played like absolute **** this year.

I don't care if he does have 7 Ints.
He also only has 3 passes defensed, thats pretty terrible. But James has let up Touchdown after Touchdown after Touchdown this year, he has been getting beatdown.



Jesus, lets just send Ruben Brown to another probowl, that would make just about as much sense....

Fiddy
12-22-2004, 01:28 PM
Tory James has played like absolute **** this year.

I don't care if he does have 7 Ints.
Also he only has 3 passes defensed, thats pretty terrible.

Jesus, lets just send Ruben Brown to another probowl, that would make just about as much sense....LOL. Yeah, I agree. D-Rob should of gotten it over him...

Ihategeeks
12-22-2004, 01:29 PM
LOL. Yeah, I agree. D-Rob should of gotten it over him...

Oh if Daunta Robinson doesn't make the probowl and Tory James does, I am going to have a stroke.

AndreJ
12-22-2004, 01:34 PM
I got a bad feeling about this pro-bowl, Houston is big city, but you would be suprised at how many people don't know about AJ and Drob. Good thing the Fan vote is only 33%.

Coaches and players make up the other 33% in case you didn't know.

Fiddy
12-22-2004, 01:44 PM
Well this is my first try with Photoshop but:

http://uploads.freeupload.net/uploads/5760.jpg

AndreJ
12-22-2004, 01:51 PM
Well this is my first try with Photoshop but:



Is that a prediction or are they in

Doom Capers
12-22-2004, 01:51 PM
What time today are they supposed to announce the Pro Bowl teams and where?

AndreJ
12-22-2004, 01:52 PM
What time today are they supposed to announce the Pro Bowl teams and where?

Theres another pro bowl thread right below this one pay attention

Fiddy
12-22-2004, 01:52 PM
Is that a prediction or are they inprediction, i threw it together last night...

Fiddy
12-22-2004, 01:54 PM
What time today are they supposed to announce the Pro Bowl teams and where?It is suppose to be at 7 eastern on ESPN but teams and newspapers are leaking them out slowly...

Blake
12-22-2004, 01:59 PM
Ill do a little predicting.

AFC QB's
Peyton Manning. duh
Tom Brady
Ben Roe

AFC WR's
Marvin Harrison
Andre Johnson
Chad Johnson

AFC RB's
Ladanian Tomlinson
Curtis Martin
Edgerin James

Fiddy
12-22-2004, 01:59 PM
Other list is getting long, so I am going to start a new one:

DE Julius Peppers, LB Dan Morgan and WR Muhsin Muhammad of the Carolina Panthers have made the Pro Bowl.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/football/nfl/carolina_panthers/10476562.htm

OG Alan Faneca, LB James Farrior, C Jeff Hartings, S Troy Polamalu, LB Joey Porter and WR Hines Ward of the Pittsburgh Steelers have made the Pro Bowl.

http://www.steelers.com/article/48940/

DE John Abraham, RB Curtis Martin and C Kevin Mawae of the New York Jets have made the Pro Bowl.

http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/

RB LaDainian Tomlinson, QB Drew Brees and TE Antonio Gates of the San Diego Chargers have made the Pro Bowl.

http://www.chargers.com/news/pr_headline_detail.cfm?press_release_key=412

P Shane Lechler of the Oakland Raiders has made the Pro Bowl.

http://www.raiders.com/default.jsp

FB William Henderson, WR Javon Walker, RB Ahman Green and OG Marco Rivera of the Green Bay Packers have made the Pro Bowl

http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2004/12/22/1/

RB Shaun Alexander, OG Steve Hutchinson and OT Walter Jones of the Seattle Seahawks have made the Pro Bowl.

http://www.seahawks.com/ardisplay.aspx?SecID=45&ID=5012

QB Peyton Manning, RB Edgerrin James, WR Marvin Harrison and DE Dwight Freeney of the Indy Colts have made the Pro Bowl.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/10477049.htm

TE Jason Witten, DT La'Roi Glover, FS Roy Williams and OG Larry Allen of the Dallas Cowgirls have made the Pro Bowl.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/122304dnspocowlede.35673e26.html

DT Sam Adams, KR Terrence McGee and LB Takeo Spikes of the Buffalo Bills have made the Pro Bowl.

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=3048

C Olin Kreutz is the lone Bear Pro Bowler

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=5785

WR Joe Horn and P Mitch Berger of the New Orleans Saints have made the Pro Bowl.

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/newsroomarticle.cfm?articleid=1227


24 of 32 teams have annouced..

Blake
12-22-2004, 02:09 PM
2005 Pro Bowl rosters announced today, 4 p.m. ET soooo, 3 pm today.

from nfl.com

Chawky1
12-22-2004, 02:34 PM
I think Dunta will make it, but AJ will not. AJ will lose out due to lack of TD's and lack of rep. My reason for this, look no further than Chad Johnson being in as what has been leaked so far.....he had a BAD year and still got in. The bengals have been BAD and he still got in. You get the idea....Dunta only me thinks.

WWJD
12-22-2004, 02:42 PM
It's really kind of funny. Fans worry about who makes the game from their team but it doesn't have a very big audience.

Fiddy
12-22-2004, 02:46 PM
The rosters so far:

NFC Roster
QB - Duante Culpepper (Vikings), Michael Vick (Falcons), Donovan McNabb (Eagles)
RB - Tiki Barber (Giants), Ahman Green (Packers), Shaun Alexander (Seahawks)
FB - William Henderson (Packers)
WR - Muhsin Muhammad (Panthers), Terrell Owens (Eagles), Javon Walker (Packers), Joe Horn (Saints)
TE - Alge Crumpler (Falcons), Jason Witten (Cowgirls)
OT - Tra Thomas (Eagles), Walter Jones (Seahawks)
OG - Marco Rivera (Packers), Steve Hutchinson (Seahawks), Larry Allen (Cowgirls)
C - Matt Birk (Vikings), Olin Kreutz (Bears)

DE - Bertrand Berry (Cardinals), Patrick Kerney (Falcons), Julius Peppers (Panthers)
DT - Shaun Rogers (Lions), Kevin Williams (Vikings), La'Roi Glover (Cowgirls)
ILB - Keith Brooking (Falcons), Dan Morgan (Panthers), Jeremiah Trotter (Eagles)
OLB - Derrick Brooks (Bucs), Marcus Washington (Redskins), Ike Reese (Eagles)
CB - Dre' Bly (Lions), Ronde Barber (Bucs), Lito Sheppard (Eagles)
FS - Brian Dawkins (Eagles), Roy Williams (Cowgirls)
SS - Michael Lewis (Eagles)

P - Mitch Berger (Saints)
K - David Akers (Eagles)

KR - Eddie Drummond (Lions)

AFC Roster
QB - Drew Brees (Chargers), Peyton Manning (Colts)
RB - Curtis Martin (Jets), LaDainian Tomlinson (Chargers), Edgerrin James (Colts)
FB
WR - Chad Johnson (Bengals), Hines Ward (Steelers), Marvin Harrison (Colts), Andre Johnson (Texans)
TE - Antonio Gates (Chargers)
OT - Willie Anderson (Bengals), Johnathan Ogden (Ravens)
OG - Alan Faneca (Steelers)
C - Jeff Hartings (Steelers), Kevin Mawae (Jets)

DE - Jason Taylor (Dolphins), John Abraham (Jets), Dwight Freeney (Colts)
DT - Sam Adams (Bills)
ILB - Ray Lewis (Ravens), James Farrior (Steelers)
OLB - Terrell Suggs (Ravens), Joey Porter (Steelers), Takeo Spikes (Bills)
CB - Troy James (Bengals), Champ Bailey (Broncos), Chris McAllister (Ravens)
FS - Ed Reed (Ravens)
SS - John Lynch (Broncos), Troy Polamalu (Steelers)

P - Shane Lechler (Raiders)
K

KR - Terrence McGee (Bills)

nunusguy
12-22-2004, 02:47 PM
Other NFL team web sites have announced selections, if any, from their teams. For example: Bailey & Lynch @ Denver, Philly, . Since we haven't made any announcement, doesn't sound good for our hopefuls.

Chawky1
12-22-2004, 02:50 PM
The rosters so far:

NFC Roster
QB - Duante Culpepper (Vikings), Michael Vick (Falcons)
RB - Tiki Barber (Giants)
FB
WR - Muhsin Muhammad (Panthers)
TE - Alge Crumpler (Falcons)
OT
OG
C - Matt Birk (Vikings)

DE - Bertrand Berry (Cardinals), Patrick Kerney (Falcons), Julius Peppers (Panthers)
DT - Shaun Rogers (Lions), Kevin Williams (Vikings)
ILB - Keith Brooking (Falcons), Dan Morgan (Panthers)
OLB - Derrick Brooks (Bucs), Marcus Washington (Redskins)
CB - Dre' Bly (Lions), Ronde Barber (Bucs)
FS
SS

P
K

KR - Eddie Drummond (Lions)

You forgot the nine Eagles players... Owens, McNugget, Akers, Dawkins, Lewis, Reese (ST), Sheppard, Thomas (OT), and Trottier.

Fiddy
12-22-2004, 02:51 PM
You forgot the nine Eagles players... Owens, McNugget, Akers, Dawkins, Lewis, Reese (ST), Sheppard, Thomas (OT), and Trottier.LOL. Yeah, I fixed that...

Chawky1
12-22-2004, 02:52 PM
Other NFL team web sites have announced selections, if any, from their teams. For example: Bailey & Lynch @ Denver, Philly, . Since we haven't made any announcement, doesn't sound good for our hopefuls.

Dunta doesnt have the rep, same thing that hurts AJ. The difference here is that he DOES have the stats. I seem to recall him having the second best stats (as a whole) as far as DB's go. Dunta SHOULD be in unless you guys get a major shafting. AJ won't due to rep once again, but compared to the stats on other receivers in your conference doesnt probably deserve to go, this year anyway.

Chawky1
12-22-2004, 02:56 PM
Since I know ya'all are DYING to know who from the Seahawks should be in LOL...
It should be Shaun Alexander, Walter Jones, Steve Hutchinson and Lucas or Trufant on Defenese. An outside shot goes to our FB Mack Strong who has deserved it more in past years, but may be given the long overdue gift this year.

Fiddy
12-22-2004, 02:59 PM
Since I know ya'all are DYING to know who from the Seahawks should be in LOL...
It should be Shaun Alexander, Walter Jones, Steve Hutchinson and Lucas or Trufant on Defenese. An outside shot goes to our FB Mack Strong who has deserved it more in past years, but may be given the long overdue gift this year.They just annouced them

Look at the bottom of this post...
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=65379&postcount=25

Chawky1
12-22-2004, 03:09 PM
They just annouced them

Look at the bottom of this post...
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=65379&postcount=25

COOOOL!! Thanks, I didn't see that!! Kind of what I expected...Chad Brown should NOT be an alternate, thats PURE rep and back from Pitt rep. He is eggshell fragile and our D STINKS. At least Strong got the alternate nod...been pulling for him for years. Thanks again.

Fiddy
12-22-2004, 03:19 PM
3 WR spots down for the AFC...

Fiddy
12-22-2004, 03:41 PM
it is AJ vs. Jimmy Smith for the last WR spot and Troy Brown may slip in there

How many CBs are picked, 3??? Because if it is 3, D-Rob is out...

Chawky1
12-22-2004, 03:45 PM
it is AJ vs. Jimmy Smith for the last WR spot and Troy Brown may slip in there

How many CBs are picked, 3??? Because if it is 3, D-Rob is out...

I am fairly certain it is three....you guys got shafted.... sorry

You can still hope for an alternate spot....he HAS to be first alternate.

Fiddy
12-22-2004, 03:57 PM
AJ MADE IT, AJ MADE IT!!!!!!!!

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1439

AlexVanderpool
12-22-2004, 03:59 PM
Yup, its 3 total CB spots.....

This totally blows!!!!!!!!!!
Troy James my @##!!!!!

AndreJ
12-22-2004, 03:59 PM
AJ MADE IT, AJ MADE IT!!!!!!!!

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1439


Whoo! Thank god, i thought he was going to have to wait til next year.
I guess all that voting i id payed off.

gwallaia
12-22-2004, 03:59 PM
Way to go Andre!!! :bguitar:

Chawky1
12-22-2004, 04:01 PM
AJ MADE IT, AJ MADE IT!!!!!!!!

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1439

WOOHOO! Congrats .....thats a bit of a statistical upset...and I didnt think he established enough rep to pull it off. VERY cool indeed.

TheTim5125
12-22-2004, 04:08 PM
Andre will be going to the probowl but DROB gets left out... what do we think..

Jagsbch
12-22-2004, 04:09 PM
Jimmy doesn't go but AJ does this is total BS wouldn't you all agree?

TheTim5125
12-22-2004, 04:10 PM
I'm pretty happy Andre is going but still i think DROB should have gone.

Tailgate
12-22-2004, 04:10 PM
Jimmy doesn't go but AJ does this is total BS wouldn't you all agree?


Ummmm.... I think you are looking for the Jags website???

Blake
12-22-2004, 04:11 PM
Tory James
2004
Cincinnati Bengals
Games: 14
Total Tackles: 54
Solo: 50.0
Assisted: 4
Sacks: 0
Ints: 7
Yards: 56
Avg: 8.0
Long: 23
TD's: 0
Passes Deflected: 3

Dunta Robinson
2004
Houston Texans
Games: 14
Total Tackles: 76
Solo: 63.0
Assisted: 13
Sacks: 3
Ints: 6
Yards: 146
Average: 24.3
Long: 61
TD's: 0
Passes Deflected: 13

Bold Numbers = more.

gwallaia
12-22-2004, 04:14 PM
Jimmy will be there as an alternate for certain. Thanks for the congrats though.

infantrycak
12-22-2004, 04:14 PM
Way to go AJ.

Have to say, I am happy to see that the hype machine for Ray Lewis got semi-denied and that Farrier is the starter with Lewis as the alternate. How in the world did Manning not get starter though?--and I don't even like the guy. Guess Trotter wasn't as washed up as some thought--made the pro-bowl with only 7 starts.

ThaShark316
12-22-2004, 04:14 PM
ANDRE MADE IT!! WOOOOO!! Congrats to AJ!

D-Rob was ROBBED!!!! (in high school student pres voice) >>> I DEMAND A RECOUNT!! :thud:

Beastlyman2003
12-22-2004, 04:17 PM
do you know this for sure?
If so where did you get your information from?

Jagsbch
12-22-2004, 04:18 PM
Guy's he is not even an alternate
I have another reason too :hairpull:

Joe Texan
12-22-2004, 04:19 PM
Maybe he should catch a few more balls jagsbch


The BS is that DROB got left out

Thats ok though cause he will be Rookie of the year

AndreJ
12-22-2004, 04:20 PM
Ummmm.... I think you are looking for the Jags website???

Lol, tell him that one more time. Go AJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :coolb: :jumpbanan :banana:

kevinjagsfan
12-22-2004, 04:20 PM
I have to say, Dunta was screwed big time. he played like a pro-bowler, and got into a groove with your scheme pretty quick.

no Jimmy Smith? ya know... he did outplay AJ, and he is 35 years old.

props to AJ, though/

Jagsbch
12-22-2004, 04:22 PM
Maybe he should catch a few more balls jagsbch


The BS is that DROB got left out

Thats ok though cause he will be Rookie of the year

Come on he leads AJ in every stat but catches and that is more to his credit if you think about it. I mean he has more yards for 20+, yards per catch, TD's, as well as more yards over all ... What the what? Big John has been out playing Stroud yet Stroud gets in again? All I am saying is that this is a total sham

gwallaia
12-22-2004, 04:24 PM
Every year, there are deserving players that get left off. Jimmy Smith was one that got left off this season. Can't please everybody.

AndreJ
12-22-2004, 04:26 PM
Come on he leads AJ in every stat but catches and that is more to his credit if you think about it. I mean he has more yards for 20+, yards per catch, TD's, as well as more yards over all ... What the what? Big John has been out playing Stroud yet Stroud gets in again? All I am saying is that this is a total sham

Jimmy isn't very exciting to watch, AJ makes plays, Jimmy just catches the ball.

infantrycak
12-22-2004, 04:29 PM
Come on he leads AJ in every stat but catches and that is more to his credit if you think about it.

Smith has had a great year and definitely should have been in consideration. Just FYI though you missed one other stat. AJ averages 6.5 yards after each catch--the most for any WR with over 30 receptions. Smith averages 2.8.

ccdude730
12-22-2004, 04:30 PM
on CBS sportsline pete prisco made up his own pro bowl roster and dunta was a starting CB....dunta has been playing great the past few weeks. bummer that he got the shaft. :thumbdown

Link (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8027113)

but way to go AJ!!!!!!!! :jumpbanan i wonder how good he will do with a proven qb leading the team (nothing against carr though, but i think it would be interesting to see what he can do with someone else throwing him the ball)

kevinjagsfan
12-22-2004, 04:33 PM
Jimmy isn't very exciting to watch, AJ makes plays, Jimmy just catches the ball.

but jimmy has more TDs and yards than AJ. I could care less if the guy "just catches balls" and "isn't very exciting to watch" if this guy can catch 2000 yards and 15 TDs, than I'd take him over AJ and Jimmy. "fun to watch" doesn't win football games. your logic is flawed

AndreJ
12-22-2004, 04:34 PM
but jimmy has more TDs and yards than AJ. I could care less if the guy "just catches balls" and "isn't very exciting to watch" if this guy can catch 2000 yards and 15 TDs, than I'd take him over AJ and Jimmy. "fun to watch" doesn't win football games. your logic is flawed

Fact is Aj is going and Jimmy aint. Go back to the Jags website and as a matter of fact " fun to watch" beat Jacksonville in week 8!!!!!!!!!!!!! :jumpbanan :coolb: :banana:

Beastlyman2003
12-22-2004, 04:35 PM
BOO HOO, Jagsbch! DROB was more deserving than old @$$ jimmy smith. CRY ME A RIVER!!!
:banana: GO AJ!!
:BananaWav have fun watching Jimmy!

kevinjagsfan
12-22-2004, 04:36 PM
Fact is Aj is going and Jimmy aint. Go back to the Jags website and as a matter of fact " fun to watch" beat Jacksonville in week 8!!!!!!!!!!!!! :jumpbanan :coolb: :banana:

dodging my statments because yours are unfounded? admit, who cares if a guy "isn't very exciting to watch" and "just catches the ball", if he can put up the numbers needed to win...........

Yossarian
12-22-2004, 04:37 PM
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/afc_roster
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/afc_roster

Congrats Andre!

kevinjagsfan
12-22-2004, 04:37 PM
BOO HOO, Jagsbch! DROB was more deserving than old @$$ jimmy smith. CRY ME A RIVER!!!
:banana: GO AJ!!
:BananaWav have fun watching Jimmy!

you do know that "old @$$" jimmy smith outplayed AJ this year, dont you?

kevinjagsfan
12-22-2004, 04:39 PM
prepare to have this thread moved, just like that last 3 that popped up in the last hour

Jagsbch
12-22-2004, 04:39 PM
Jimmy isn't very exciting to watch, AJ makes plays, Jimmy just catches the ball.

I can see you have a lot to learn so I will be patient with ya... That has got to be the funniest thing I have ever heard though. Did you even watch last weeks game? I mean how could you have missed it came on right after yours? You have got to be trying to pull my chain... You cannot possibly be this out of touch, can you?

gwallaia
12-22-2004, 04:42 PM
There is no doubt that Jimmy Smith is a talented receiver worthy of going to the Pro Bowl but like I said, someone deserving always gets left off.

infantrycak
12-22-2004, 04:42 PM
Tory James
2004
Cincinnati Bengals
Games: 14
Total Tackles: 54
Solo: 50.0
Assisted: 4
Sacks: 0
Ints: 7
Yards: 56
Avg: 8.0
Long: 23
TD's: 0
Passes Deflected: 3

Dunta Robinson
2004
Houston Texans
Games: 14
Total Tackles: 76
Solo: 63.0
Assisted: 13
Sacks: 3
Ints: 6
Yards: 146
Average: 24.3
Long: 61
TD's: 0
Passes Deflected: 13

Bold Numbers = more.

I will readily admit not having seen James play much,
but CB has to be the position you have to be most careful looking at stats on. Deion Sanders' stats looked like crud because he truly was so good teams didn't even challenge him, therefore fewer passes deflected, fewer INT chances. That may be the case with James--from the INT's and pass deflections it may be teams have shied away from him but when they have challenged he has made them pay.

kevinjagsfan
12-22-2004, 04:43 PM
I can see you have a lot to learn so I will be patient with ya... That has got to be the funniest thing I have ever heard though. Did you even watch last weeks game? I mean how could you have missed it came on right after yours? You have got to be trying to pull my chain... You cannot possibly be this out of touch, can you?

the past two weeks, jimmy was interfeared (as in having the defence flagged for pass interference in the endzone) and still came down with the TD.

Fiddy
12-22-2004, 04:44 PM
I think I am getting this Photoshop thing down

http://uploads.freeupload.net/uploads/5963.jpg

kevinjagsfan
12-22-2004, 04:44 PM
I will readily admit not having seen James play much,
but CB has to be the position you have to be most careful looking at stats on. Deion Sanders' stats looked like crud because he truly was so good teams didn't even challenge him, therefore fewer passes deflected, fewer INT chances. That may be the case with James--from the INT's and pass deflections it may be teams have shied away from him but when they have challenged he has made them pay.


I really thought Dunta was in for Hawaii. if it makes you feel any better, champ bailey and john lynch are gonna start this year. did you see them play at all this year?

Jagsbch
12-22-2004, 04:45 PM
Look I like AJ, don't get me wrong here I have a lot of respect for him, it's just we all know who has been on top of things most of this season, so you all should not have too much trouble understanding my shock at this reality.

I think we are all shocked at the fact that 2 players we all hold in very high esteem didn't make it. This is so unexplainable. Who has the final say in these things anyway? Look I will be more than happy to congratulate you all on AJ making it, but I hope to God you all see my point here. I am not here to bash on AJ as I do believe he will be a great WR, it's just that Jimmy has schooled him this year. You all know it and I know it. This is just crazy :shocked

Boris
12-22-2004, 04:47 PM
Willie Roaf. ouch!!!!

i remember looking at unprotected players on the expansion list prior to our 1st year..... I kept thinking WILLIE ROAF WILLIE ROAF (not just because i enjoy saying Willie) but folks said he had issues (age, injury)....... now he's going to Hawaii.

Please remind me why we passed on this pro-bowler.

Fiddy
12-22-2004, 04:47 PM
I am not here to bash on AJ as I do believe he will be a great WR, it's just that Jimmy has schooled him this year. You all know it and I know it. This is just crazy :shockedHe hasnt schooled him...

nunusguy
12-22-2004, 04:49 PM
Great news ! Congrats ! He was very deserving, but that doesn't
necessarily mean he makes it. Just puts more pressure on the coaching staff to upgrade his role in our offense (and on a consistant, week-to-week basis).

Huge
12-22-2004, 05:03 PM
Andre Johnson - 73 catches, 1083 yards, 5 TDs
Jimmy Smith - 69 catches, 1133 yards, 6 TDs
Reggie Wayne - 71 catches, 1059 yards, 11 TDs

Wayne's not a Pro Bowler either. Like gwallaia said...every year there is somebody worthy that's left off. This year, it was Wayne more than anybody else (considering the players that were selected before him).

The Pro Bowl has almost become as big of a joke as the Heisman.

Consider:

Hines Ward - 75 catches, 972 yards, 4 TDs
Drew Bennett - 76 catches, 1171 yards, 10 TDs

Ward? Pro Bowl. Bennett? Staying home.

Youngstown Colt
12-22-2004, 05:09 PM
You know I'd want Reggie on there, but I can why he's not. People don't want 2 WRs from the same team in Hawaii. I do believe Jimmy Smith had a probowl deserving year, especially because he made so may big catches this year.

Youngstown Colt
12-22-2004, 05:12 PM
I will readily admit not having seen James play much,
but CB has to be the position you have to be most careful looking at stats on. Deion Sanders' stats looked like crud because he truly was so good teams didn't even challenge him, therefore fewer passes deflected, fewer INT chances. That may be the case with James--from the INT's and pass deflections it may be teams have shied away from him but when they have challenged he has made them pay.
believe me, all Tory James really did was CATCH interceptions, he didn't make them like dunta. Jeff Garcia threw 2 directly to him in the first browns-bengals game, and Kelly Holcomb threw a few to him as well. Dunta is a playmaker, while Tory James is Johnny-on-the-spot.

Huge
12-22-2004, 05:13 PM
Pro Bowl never had a problem sending Chris Carter and Randy Moss when they were teammates.

Speaking of which, this breaks Moss' string of appearances in Hawaii.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
12-22-2004, 05:22 PM
Yes! 4 Cowboys made it! Only one less from last season. w00t!

Blake
12-22-2004, 05:32 PM
believe me, all Tory James really did was CATCH interceptions, he didn't make them like dunta. Jeff Garcia threw 2 directly to him in the first browns-bengals game, and Kelly Holcomb threw a few to him as well. Dunta is a playmaker, while Tory James is Johnny-on-the-spot.

I totally agree with this. Tory was lucky with alot of his Ints. His teammates made the QB make a bad pass, and Tory would just jump up and grab it. Dunta's ints were mostly caused by his positioning, and agressivness.

Also you cant defend the 13 pass deflections vs. Torys 3. This stat is the telling stat here.

Blake
12-22-2004, 05:36 PM
Also, on the Jimmy Smith vs. Andre stuff, I think they both had great seasons, and both deserved to go. I just think that getting the yards and stats that Andre got on a 3 year old team, vs what smith got on a 10+ year old yeam is the difference. The jags have more pieces in place, and a better defense.

Huge
12-22-2004, 05:37 PM
If the Texans had the 28th rated pass defense and Robinson had such a good year, who was getting torched all season? Did Aaron Glenn have that bad of a year?

Not saying Robinson didn't have a good year and he will most certainly be a contender for DROY. But that rating has got to have something to do with him.

gwallaia
12-22-2004, 05:47 PM
Huge, it was a lack of pass rush that caused the Texans to be ranked 28th.

infantrycak
12-22-2004, 06:03 PM
I really thought Dunta was in for Hawaii. if it makes you feel any better, champ bailey and john lynch are gonna start this year. did you see them play at all this year?

Yes and neither of them played well enough for their spots.

My point you quoted though was that CB's can hardly be judged by stats at all. For instance, Champ's stats look pretty much the same this year as last, but he has gotten lit up like a pinball machine several times this year. What they need is a stat for plays given up over 20 yds, 40 yds for CB's and a stat for # of times thrown at vs. receptions allowed.

infantrycak
12-22-2004, 06:05 PM
Look I like AJ, don't get me wrong here I have a lot of respect for him, it's just we all know who has been on top of things most of this season, so you all should not have too much trouble understanding my shock at this reality.

Here is the guy you should be questioning rather than AJ:

Hines Ward - 75 catches, 972 yards, 4 TDs

edo783
12-22-2004, 06:11 PM
A lot of these guys get elected based on previouse year(s) work and they are from media biased teams. Some of them could die and probably get elected once or twice more after their dead. Dunta flat got robbed. Probably had more to due with being a rookie than anything. IMO, AJ was a MILD surprise. I thought he deserved it, but it hasn't been a statement season, particularly the last 3 weeks and we are a losing club.

infantrycak
12-22-2004, 06:17 PM
believe me, all Tory James really did was CATCH interceptions, he didn't make them like dunta. Jeff Garcia threw 2 directly to him in the first browns-bengals game, and Kelly Holcomb threw a few to him as well. Dunta is a playmaker, while Tory James is Johnny-on-the-spot.

Thanks for the feedback--like I said, haven't really seen James play. The point of the post was that CB's have to be judged by watching them play rather than stats that can be very deceiving. From what you say, Robinson may have gotten a raw deal.

Also you cant defend the 13 pass deflections vs. Torys 3. This stat is the telling stat here.

Sure I can. If teams respect a CB because they are so good (prime example Deion Sanders in his prime) they don't throw at them or avoid throwing at them, thereby giving the CB less opportunities to deflect passes. Do it this way--go to NFL.com's stats for defensive backs--look for all the well regarded guys--Woodson, Bailey, McAllister, Springs, Smoot--they aren't at the top of the list for pass deflections because they get less opportunity.

FYI--don't know where the 13 and 3 came from, but NFL.com has Dunta tied for the most pass deflections in the NFL at 19 and Tory James with 10.

done88
12-22-2004, 06:45 PM
moved where I'm surprised that no one is talking about Johnson making the pro bowl or D rob missing it. Maybe its because they keep getting moved which stiffles conversation.

Jagsbch
12-22-2004, 07:36 PM
It's all these Jags fans trying to rain on AJ's parade. Congrats guys, sorry about the sour grapes... :BananaWav

What really pisses me off is how we are in the AFC and both are ranked higher than Cowboys who BTW are in the NFC by far the worst conference in the league yet they have 4 players in the Pro Bowl. :shocked

I mean not only are we in the AFC, but we have one of the best divisions in football yet we got no respect whatsoever... :thud:

Blake
12-22-2004, 07:40 PM
When do yall think the AJ probowl jerseys will be available to buy???

infantrycak
12-22-2004, 08:35 PM
moved where I'm surprised that no one is talking about Johnson making the pro bowl or D rob missing it. Maybe its because they keep getting moved which stiffles conversation.

All you have to do is look in more than one forum--pro bowl has been at the top of the NFL forum for hours now.

thetexanator
12-22-2004, 09:47 PM
looks like aj is getting his much deserved recognition. Its really bush that dunta didnt get in but theres a cbs article that says he should have been a pro bowl starter. Looks like weve got two superstars in the making. now only if carr would catch up. :coolb:

Ihategeeks
12-23-2004, 01:02 AM
Guys James was on the most this year

L. Evans 5 101 1TD
T. Brown 2 27
T. Taylor 2 40
Antonio Bryant 8 131 2TD
P. Burress 3 46
L. Coles 6 74
K. Johnson 4 58
T. Fleming 2 50 1TD
R. Smith 5 50 1TD
A. Davis 1 99 1TD
P. Burress 4 69
R. Hymes 4 61 1TD
M. Booker 1 5
S. Moss 4 55

46 866 7Td's 18.8 YPC

3 Ints vs Cleveland
1 vs Dallas
1 vs Miami
1 vs Washington
1 vs Denver

Tory James made the Probowl only because he got picks against the worst QB's in the NFL.

Youngstown Colt
12-23-2004, 01:06 AM
That 99 yarder against andre davis came against Deltha O'neil, not Tory James

I agree dunta>james, but use good stats for it

Ihategeeks
12-23-2004, 01:15 AM
That 99 yarder against andre davis came against Deltha O'neil, not Tory James

I agree dunta>james, but use good stats for it

CB statistics are subject to lots of error, there is no stat that says Tory James gets burned for big plays by every WR he lines up across. :bguitar:

Just painting the picture using the guys he was on most of the games.

mulpwr
12-23-2004, 08:26 AM
Andre Johnson - 73 catches, 1083 yards, 5 TDs
Jimmy Smith - 69 catches, 1133 yards, 6 TDs
Reggie Wayne - 71 catches, 1059 yards, 11 TDs

Wayne's not a Pro Bowler either. Like gwallaia said...every year there is somebody worthy that's left off. This year, it was Wayne more than anybody else (considering the players that were selected before him).

The Pro Bowl has almost become as big of a joke as the Heisman.

Consider:

Hines Ward - 75 catches, 972 yards, 4 TDs
Drew Bennett - 76 catches, 1171 yards, 10 TDs

Ward? Pro Bowl. Bennett? Staying home.


Drew Bennet has got most of those numbers the last three weeks with Billy Volek throwing the ball over 140 times during that time....28 catches for 517 yards and 8 TDs to be precise.The Titans still couldn't win LMAO.It shows you how bad the secondaries of Indy#29,KC#32 and Oakland #31 are. Most of the voting occured before Drew did anything.

Jimmy Smith deserved to be there instead of Hines and Donnie Edwards or London Fletcher before Ray Lewis.

Oh Hines got his numbers with an offense thats passing a lot less this year. He had stated weeks ago that the Pro Bowl means nothing and his goals are much higher.

nunusguy
12-23-2004, 08:33 AM
I was surprised Randy Moss was not picked this year. He's one of the biggest stars in the NFL and along with Vick one of the most exciting playmakers
in the game, but has been inactive a lot this year due to injury. He didn't deserve to be picked, but many times an established star makes it purely on accumualted performances from past years and sheer popularity.

Dime
12-23-2004, 12:35 PM
Ok... I am excited for Andre for a bit different reason then I think the rest of you are. Can you imagine what Andre Johnson learning from Marvin Harrison, and Hines Ward. Catching balls from Payton.. That is the coolest part... to me.

texan279
12-23-2004, 04:42 PM
I don't know if this has been mentioned but I just noticed it how in the hell did Chris McAllister make it to the pro bowl over Aaron Glenn and Dunta Robinson and the other 99 AFC CB's who have posted better numbers this season???? McAllister has 1 INT, 33 tackles, and 8 passes defended!!!! WTF!!!

Youngstown Colt
12-23-2004, 04:46 PM
Yeah, everyone knows Chris Mcallister doesn't deserve it. As much heat as champ gets, he's been pro-bowl worthy, but he is no where near the expectations he has. Mcalister didn't play the whole season, and didn't play well when he did

Wolf
12-24-2004, 02:42 AM
Didn't see if this was posted yet, but this article is about the probowl

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/2960817

HJam72
12-28-2004, 10:10 PM
If the Texans had the 28th rated pass defense and Robinson had such a good year, who was getting torched all season? Did Aaron Glenn have that bad of a year?

Not saying Robinson didn't have a good year and he will most certainly be a contender for DROY. But that rating has got to have something to do with him.

Are we still 28th? The ranking of our defense has been baffling me for some time now. Our D is not anywhere near that bad. Look what our D has done in the last 3 weeks. We held Indy to their fewest points this year and we shut out Jax. I think our offense made our D look bad in a few games and that was mostly the O-line stinking it up. I find it strange that our offense has been rated higher than our defense for much of this year.

Can anyone tell me where to find out D and Off. rankings? All I ever see are overall team rankings every week.

On the Pro-bowl, I don't know why they still have one. They should just choose players and not actually play the game, because hardly anyone watches it. The times I've watched it in the past, which has been quite a while (I think), it's just been really boring. Who cares what happens in that game or who wins? We all just want to know who's gonna go to it.

AndreJ
12-28-2004, 10:22 PM
As of this week we are ranked 23rd in Pass defense, which is based on pass yards per game by the opposition.

To my suprise, we are ranked 13th in Rushing defense, the same rules apply as passing.

We rank 24th in total defense.

I got the stats and numbers from NFL.com

infantrycak
12-28-2004, 10:23 PM
Are we still 28th?

Can anyone tell me where to find out D and Off. rankings? All I ever see are overall team rankings every week.

The Texans are currently 23rd in passing D--they are 15th in scoring D. Go to NFL.com and hit Stats--you can scroll down and get a number of different rankings.

In response to Huge's question, three primary answers (1) the secondary did get torched some--it was a team effort with Glenn, Robinson, Foreman, Faggins, Brown & Coleman all giving up big plays at times, (2) we played all 5 of the top offenses and one of them (Indy) twice and (3) the rankings can be deceiving because they are on yards given up (there is a scoring O and D ranking as well but they are rarely cited) and don't give any consideration to the number of plays run. For example Tampa Bay has only faced 400 passing attempts this year while San Diego has faced 554 so going strictly off yards is questionable--by the way Tampa Bay ranked #2 in passing D has given up 19 passing TD's, while San Diego ranked #29 has given up 18.