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LORK 88
08-31-2008, 03:16 PM
Brown's Injury Considered Career-Threatening
(http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80a65541&template=with-video&confirm=true)
The Houston Texans placed running back Chris Brown on injured reserve Saturday, continuing a string of recent disappointments at the position.

Brown has a herniated disc in his back and it is considered to be a career-threatening injury, NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports.
Merge this with the thread about him going to IR if you want, I figured it was worthy of it's own thread because it's pretty massive news.

KEYE SUX
08-31-2008, 03:22 PM
His career was basically over ever since he stepped on our field. He has always been injury prone. I would not be suprised if he never has another carry.

Sideline
08-31-2008, 03:22 PM
A herniated disc is a pretty big problem in general life, let alone playing Football. He has a tough road back if that report is true.

PapaL
08-31-2008, 03:24 PM
Replace our Curse of Tony Boselli with the curse of <insert RB here> system.

ObsiWan
08-31-2008, 03:26 PM
We covered this in the FA thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by ObsiWan http://home.austin.rr.com/khari/images/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=986480#post986480)
NFL network just claimed that Chris Brown has a herniated disk - if so, we gotta go the settlement route

...right?


CloakNNNDagger's response....
Another example of a Texans diagnosis miraculously discovered after weeks of "back spasms?" The first test in a football player with severe back spasms should be to rule out disc herniation by MRI. In a person holding down a "normal" job, it can be treated conservatively without surgery in 90% of cases (if at 1 level) and recurrence at that level is about 5% and less so at a different level. And don't forget that we are talking about a herniated disc (bulging)........not an overtly ruptured disc. If rupture has occurred, surgery is usually the only reasonable alternative. For those who are unfortunate enough to require surgery, 60-90% can return to "normal" activity. When dealing with the monumental stresses on the spine of an active RB, all the statistics can go out the door for both conservative treatment and surgical success.

EDIT:
It was the Coveted Castoffs thread

GuerillaBlack
08-31-2008, 03:31 PM
Is Rudi Johnson still available?

Sideline
08-31-2008, 03:35 PM
Once again..

Cough...Ron Dayne...Cough...Cough

GuerillaBlack
08-31-2008, 03:36 PM
Once again..

Cough...Ron Dayne...Cough...Cough

I wouldn't mind bringing in Ron Dayne now. Seriously.

KEYE SUX
08-31-2008, 03:37 PM
Now I am not very knowledgable about NFL contracts but why would we have to pay an injury settlement to someone who doesn't "make the team" and quite possibly was injured BEFORE he got here. If this was preexisting how did our docs not figure that out when they checked him out?

PapaL
08-31-2008, 03:41 PM
Now I am not very knowledgable about NFL contracts but why would we have to pay an injury settlement to someone who doesn't "make the team" and quite possibly was injured BEFORE he got here. If this was preexisting how did our docs not figure that out when they checked him out?

Because he has a contract with the team and you can not cut a player who was injured while in your "care".

Sideline
08-31-2008, 03:43 PM
Now I am not very knowledgable about NFL contracts but why would we have to pay an injury settlement to someone who doesn't "make the team" and quite possibly was injured BEFORE he got here. If this was preexisting how did our docs not figure that out when they checked him out?

Also he will have passed a physical before signing. Which I guess would negate any notion that he was already damaged goods.

Thorn
08-31-2008, 03:45 PM
I wouldn't mind bringing in Ron Dayne now. Seriously.


LOL, the crowd is getting bigger. Like I said in another thread, just hang cheeseburgers on the opposing linebackers and Buffet Dayne will change into them for five yards a pop every time.

I make fun of Dayne, but the Dayne train did provide a few good memories from last year. And he's one of the few backs we've had that can play every game. Of course we want someone better, but ya know, it's to late for that this year. Slaton with his turf toe leaves us with very little against the Steelers.

ObsiWan
08-31-2008, 03:47 PM
Now I am not very knowledgable about NFL contracts but why would we have to pay an injury settlement to someone who doesn't "make the team" and quite possibly was injured BEFORE he got here. If this was preexisting how did our docs not figure that out when they checked him out?

THAT is the 64 thousand dollar question
http://www.ukgameshows.com/page/images/5/51/64000question_boardgame.jpg

HJam72
08-31-2008, 03:56 PM
What are the chances that some people just don't think they need a real
RB and Brown was brought in just to make it LOOK like they are trying to find one?

I don't get the IR thing. Send his butt packing. It's not like he hasn't made enough money in the NFL to live 10 lifetimes, anyway.

ChampionTexan
08-31-2008, 04:01 PM
What are the chances that some people just don't think they need a real
RB and Brown was brought in just to make it LOOK like they are trying to find one?

I don't get the IR thing. Send his butt packing. It's not like he hasn't made enough money in the NFL to live 10 lifetimes, anyway.

It's been covered several times, but you can't cut an injured player without reaching an injury settlement, and they had to get down to 53 by yesterday afternoon.

He will be waived when they've reached the settlement, but in the meantime, they had to do something to get him off the active roster.

HJam72
08-31-2008, 04:04 PM
It's been covered several times, but you can't cut an injured player without reaching an injury settlement, and they had to get down to 53 by yesterday afternoon.

He will be waived when they've reached the settlement, but in the meantime, they had to do something to get him off the active roster.

OK, Thanx for the info.

Hervoyel
08-31-2008, 05:06 PM
The thing that just drives me nuts is that Brown wasn't hurt here. He was out of practices with "back spasms" before they even started hitting if I'm not mistaken. Maybe it's just my paranoid-at-times nature but I smell a rat. I think he came into camp damaged (or worse was hurting before he signed) and knew all along that this would be the outcome.

The sooner Brown gets his injury settlement and is gone the better.

PapaL
08-31-2008, 05:45 PM
The thing that just drives me nuts is that Brown wasn't hurt here. He was out of practices with "back spasms" before they even started hitting if I'm not mistaken. Maybe it's just my paranoid-at-times nature but I smell a rat. I think he came into camp damaged (or worse was hurting before he signed) and knew all along that this would be the outcome.

The sooner Brown gets his injury settlement and is gone the better.

So with our medical staff being at best inept show be on the lookout for previously injured guys trying to come to Houston?

GP
09-01-2008, 07:58 PM
Duane Brown better be a hoss. A real deal.

All I gotta' say.

If not, a lot of people here will owe SWTbound a big apology.

Our RB situation is a j-o-k-e. Anybody else ready to be as pissed about Kubiak's methodology on running backs as I have been?

Maybe this is the thing Kubiak needed to see that a quality running back IS part of the equation for a successful team.

FirstTexansFan
09-01-2008, 08:51 PM
Once again..

Cough...Ron Dayne...Cough...Cough

I suppose if losing our new left tackle to a broken leg isn't a concern, pull the trigger on it ;)

mexican_texan
09-01-2008, 09:46 PM
Duane Brown better be a hoss. A real deal.

All I gotta' say.

If not, a lot of people here will owe SWTbound a big apology.

Our RB situation is a j-o-k-e. Anybody else ready to be as pissed about Kubiak's methodology on running backs as I have been?

Maybe this is the thing Kubiak needed to see that a quality running back IS part of the equation for a successful team.
Keep in mind Kubiak had to work with an O-line built by an inept OC. He's still trying to get his own line going.

Not to mention I don't think any RB was worth the picks we used on Brown, Slaton, and Barber.

threetoedpete
09-02-2008, 12:01 AM
Keep in mind Kubiak had to work with an O-line built by an inept OC. He's still trying to get his own line going.

Not to mention I don't think any RB was worth the picks we used on Brown, Slaton, and Barber.

I agree. Smith and Kubiak have taken a wrecking ball to the roster. I'm not going to throw Sherman under the bus though. They had the talent on the o-line to run their blend of the GB system running game. I love Salaam, but he isn't going to kick-step & drop forty times a game without getting some one hurt. Scrambled to eight wins doing it. All this crying and gnashing of teeth comes down to what you believed the talent level was when they got here. Myself I thought it was pi$$ poor and it would take awhile to correct it. I'm not displeased at all with their progress so far. Some are. They may not win seven games this season but they've improved the talent on the roster. They're close.

Overalls
09-02-2008, 12:11 PM
Our team was a complete mess coming off that 2-14 season. Atleast now we can say we have a player at almost every position that some NFL team would want except for RB and safety. There are teams that would take our QB. We turned down offers for our back up. Tell me that some team wouldn't take AJ and Kevin for their WR corp. Do we have two DEs? No, but we do have Mario and I think one or two teams would jump at the chance to take him off our hands. DT maybe not Johnson but AO would be snapped up. DeMeco would be gone in a heartbeat. Fred would be able to help out a lot of teams and a healthy Dunta would be long gone. Owen is one of the top TEs in the league and is still improving. Say what you will about our O-line but it could be a strength this season. Don't get me wrong at most positions we only have one player that might would even make a lot of teams but our depth is better than it has ever been. I don't think the same can be said of RB and Safety.So I can't see how our FO can think about shoring up a position that has atleast one player that is good enough or better and still ignore the RB and Safety position in next years draft. Most NFL teams are not going Safety in the 1st round but we will have (I Hope) or 2nd rounder next offseason. So is it possible that we could go RB in the 1st and Safety in the 2nd and end up making both of those spots a strength. Oh well, RANT OFF.

JWarren14
03-11-2009, 06:18 PM
Well looks like Chris Brown is ready to go, maybe that's why we didn't pull the trigger on RBs like Benson or bring in more FAs?

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?STORY_ID=5183

infantrycak
03-11-2009, 06:22 PM
Well looks like Chris Brown is ready to go, maybe that's why we didn't pull the trigger on RBs like Benson or bring in more FAs?

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?STORY_ID=5183

We offered Benson $5.5 mil. That's a lot of money for a backup. Don't think Brown entered the equation.

JWarren14
03-11-2009, 06:25 PM
Might not have been part of the equation but could have been at the back of RS mind? I just hope he produces something positive leading up to 09, but I am not expecting anything after a big fat bust last year.

Lucky
03-11-2009, 06:31 PM
Edited thread title. Too vague.

Well looks like Chris Brown is ready to go, maybe that's why we didn't pull the trigger on RBs like Benson or bring in more FAs?
I hope not. There's no reasonable expectation that Chris Brown will ever make it back. I don't care if they look at free agency or the draft, but the Texans must bring in another RB to ease the burden off Steve Slaton.

We offered Benson $5.5 mil. That's a lot of money for a backup. Don't think Brown entered the equation.
I remember hearing this. Where did those numbers come from?

Thorn
03-11-2009, 06:33 PM
I am putting ZERO hopes on Chris Brown. It would be great if he does something for us, I'm certainly not wishing him any bad luck or anything, but we've been down this road to many times and the scenery looks the same from where I'm sitting.

kiwitexansfan
03-11-2009, 06:34 PM
I would be excited about Chris Brown being ready to go if I thought for a minute he'd last more than a half of football.

I will not hold my breath waiting for his contribution, although I would love to see it.

Specnatz
03-11-2009, 06:38 PM
Edited thread title. Too vague.


I hope not. There's no reasonable expectation that Chris Brown will ever make it back. I don't care if they look at free agency or the draft, but the Texans must bring in another RB to ease the burden off Steve Slaton.

I say two RB.

Buffi2
03-11-2009, 06:39 PM
Well looks like Chris Brown is ready to go, maybe that's why we didn't pull the trigger on RBs like Benson or bring in more FAs?

I don't know about this. With Brown's history of injuries coupled with our history of players' being injured - I think I'd be looking for another RB or 2 or 3.

Blake
03-11-2009, 06:47 PM
I guarantee we are getting one in round 2-4 this year. Shonn Greene, Rashad Jennings, or Andre Brown come to mind.

I dont see any good FA running backs on the market, so make that 2 RB's in the draft.

CloakNNNdagger
03-11-2009, 06:52 PM
Edited thread title. Too vague.


I hope not. There's no reasonable expectation that Chris Brown will ever make it back. I don't care if they look at free agency or the draft, but the Texans must bring in another RB to ease the burden off Steve Slaton.


I remember hearing this. Where did those numbers come from?

If I remember this correctly, TEXANS84 reported this on the board. But even then I was unable to research a link to confirm this number......or for that matter an offer. I guess we would have to ask TEXANS84 to help us out with that.

phantom17
03-11-2009, 07:55 PM
I guarantee we are getting one in round 2-4 this year. Shonn Greene, Rashad Jennings, or Andre Brown come to mind.

I dont see any good FA running backs on the market, so make that 2 RB's in the draft.

I AGREE big time that we should take a back in rds 3- 5! Kubes tends to take backs starting in the 4th rd & down.:specnatz:

TexanSam
03-11-2009, 07:58 PM
How many running backs have had their careers end with the Texans?

James Allen
Stacey Mack
Chris Brown
Domanick Davis

Not sure who else I'm missing

El Tejano
03-11-2009, 08:38 PM
I just hope this doesn't detract us from getting a good RB in the draft because the front office wants to make this work.

GP
03-11-2009, 09:02 PM
How many running backs have had their careers end with the Texans?

James Allen
Stacey Mack
Chris Brown
Domanick Davis

Not sure who else I'm missing

Jonathan Wells, Beanie Wells' twin brother.

JWarren14
03-11-2009, 10:44 PM
I don't know about this. With Brown's history of injuries coupled with our history of players' being injured - I think I'd be looking for another RB or 2 or 3.

I agree that we will add at least 2 or 3 more RBs before mini-camp I think we will add at least one in the draft and then there has to be an odd man out in...I hate to say it...Denver with the FA signings of Arrington, Buckhalter, and LaMont when they still have S. Young, Andre Hall, and Ryan Torain not to mention Peyton Hillis. Moats played well, not great, just well when given a chance. April 25th seems so far away...

Specnatz
03-11-2009, 10:53 PM
I guarantee we are getting one in round 2-4 this year. Shonn Greene, Rashad Jennings, or Andre Brown come to mind.

I dont see any good FA running backs on the market, so make that 2 RB's in the draft.

Hence in my mock I took one in the 4th and then one in the 7th.

Big Lou
03-11-2009, 11:05 PM
Jonathan Wells, Beanie Wells' twin brother.

Although you could say his career ended in Houston, he did actually get picked up by Indy for a while.

TexansSeminole
03-12-2009, 12:04 AM
I say two RB.

Agreed. I wouldn't mind drafting 2 guys with different skill sets. Obviously we need a goal line and short yardage guy.

El Tejano
03-12-2009, 07:50 AM
Although you could say his career ended in Houston, he did actually get picked up by Indy for a while.

I actually wish that JWells was on the current roster. I think he would've been an awesome contributor with the current Oline we had and he was a darn good special teamer.

TimeKiller
03-12-2009, 08:08 AM
How many running backs have had their careers end with the Texans?

James Allen
Stacey Mack
Chris Brown
Domanick Davis

Not sure who else I'm missing

Ahman Green?

El Tejano
03-12-2009, 08:16 AM
Ahman Green?

He just pulled a groin because you typed his name.

HOU-TEX
03-12-2009, 11:09 AM
I would think Kubiak has learned his lesson by now. He shouldn't count on CB for anything. If he does end up contributing something, just look at it like an added bonus.

:fans:

WolverineFan
03-12-2009, 11:13 AM
We could draft Brown/Jennings/Greene as a backup in the 2-3 area. Then maybe take a look at Jovorskie Lane (who can play more than 1 position) late in the draft or sign a FA RB although there is not much quality out in the market anymore.

HOU-TEX
03-12-2009, 11:15 AM
We could draft Brown/Jennings/Greene as a backup in the 2-3 area. Then maybe take a look at Jovorskie Lane (who can play more than 1 position) late in the draft or sign a FA RB although there is not much quality out in the market anymore.

Are you f-in kidding me? Hopefully you forgot to add this to your post :sarcasm:

GP
03-12-2009, 11:22 AM
I actually wish that JWells was on the current roster. I think he would've been an awesome contributor with the current Oline we had and he was a darn good special teamer.

I got laughed at when I said he shouldn't have been released.

His last season with us, he was progressing IMO. He was making nice reads on which lanes to run through, and that's saying something considering the shape of our running offense at the time.

Is he a world-beater? No. But I think he would have been a good option in comparison to what we had over the next few seasons.

WolverineFan
03-12-2009, 11:30 AM
Are you f-in kidding me? Hopefully you forgot to add this to your post :sarcasm:

Lol no I wasn't kidding. Someone above mentioned the need for a goalline back so I threw his name out there. I'm not a fan of Lane at all, but it was only a suggestion.

ATX
03-12-2009, 11:32 AM
Brown was never the same after Jason Simmons leveled him a few years back. I don't think Jason Simmons was the same either though. Anyone remember that hit?

HOU-TEX
03-12-2009, 11:36 AM
Lol no I wasn't kidding. Someone above mentioned the need for a goalline back so I threw his name out there. I'm not a fan of Lane at all, but it was only a suggestion.

Whew! You had me worried there. Let's not bring him up in the main forum anymore, K? Just messin with ya, but the guy's nothing but a chunk of lard.

WolverineFan
03-12-2009, 11:41 AM
Whew! You had me worried there. Let's not bring him up in the main forum anymore, K? Just messin with ya, but the guy's nothing but a chunk of lard.

Lol no argument here. I'm an Aggie and while the guy was good his FR & SOPH years he was always destined to be a FB. Problem is once Sherman moved him to FB last year he threw a hissy fit and got benched. Then he refused to work out and put on about 10 more lbs.

The guy is destined to be a FB/G, but he wants to be a RB. Definetely more trouble than he is worth. It is fun though to sometimes through his name out there and gauge people's interest. :doot:

Hervoyel
03-12-2009, 11:43 AM
I got laughed at when I said he shouldn't have been released.

His last season with us, he was progressing IMO. He was making nice reads on which lanes to run through, and that's saying something considering the shape of our running offense at the time.

Is he a world-beater? No. But I think he would have been a good option in comparison to what we had over the next few seasons.


Jonathan Wells was basically "ordinary". When he got here and the year after that he was ordinary and lazy which is a bad combination if you aspire to play football in the NFL. In fact talented and lazy doesn't even work out most of the time so ordinary and lazy is the kiss of death.

Wells caught on by 2004 though and I think highly of him as a person and a player. I wanted to see him succeed. He worked hard, did everything to the best of his ability, and had some small level of success as a result. He "could have been" a thousand yard back but really just that. The thing that he couldn't get around was that he was in fact ordinary.

If he was still here I think he'd be around a 4 yards per carry backup in limited duty and playing hard on special teams but there just wasn't anything compelling about him that made the coaches say "We have to keep Jonathan, he's _______________.

I wish him well in whatever he does and always come to his defense with something along the lines of what I've said above.

infantrycak
03-12-2009, 11:53 AM
Jonathan Wells was basically "ordinary".

C'mon, you aren't giving him enough credit. Nobody performed the pirouette and back into contact maneuver better than Wells. A ballerina in action.

And living proof big doesn't equal good at short yardage.

Vinny
03-12-2009, 11:53 AM
Wells looked like Tarzan and played like Jane.....nuff said.

Mr. White
03-12-2009, 12:00 PM
Lol no I wasn't kidding. Someone above mentioned the need for a goalline back so I threw his name out there. I'm not a fan of Lane at all, but it was only a suggestion.

The only way I'd want that guy is as a space-eating DT. He's probably already bigger than our starters. Then we could use him like the Bears used the Refrigerator Perry at the goal line.:stooges:

Specnatz
03-12-2009, 12:02 PM
Lol no I wasn't kidding. Someone above mentioned the need for a goalline back so I threw his name out there. I'm not a fan of Lane at all, but it was only a suggestion.

He did not even show up for A&M pro day.

Spike
03-12-2009, 01:02 PM
He just pulled a groin because you typed his name.

That is really funny...

Allstar
03-12-2009, 01:30 PM
Brown was never the same after Jason Simmons leveled him a few years back. I don't think Jason Simmons was the same either though. Anyone remember that hit?

http://i42.tinypic.com/281wkzt.gif

TimeKiller
03-12-2009, 05:05 PM
I remember that hit quite clearly. Brutal collision, as if 2 careers being over wasn't proof enough...

GP
03-12-2009, 06:17 PM
C'mon, you aren't giving him enough credit. Nobody performed the pirouette and back into contact maneuver better than Wells. A ballerina in action.

And living proof big doesn't equal good at short yardage.

He wasn't that bad. The Texans gave bigger pieces of dookie more chances and more benefit of the doubt than Wells got. He should have had another year.

Oh well, LOL, it's really not something to argue about. It's a 1 on the scale of things to debate.

El Tejano
03-13-2009, 10:03 AM
He wasn't that bad. The Texans gave bigger pieces of dookie more chances and more benefit of the doubt than Wells got. He should have had another year.

Oh well, LOL, it's really not something to argue about. It's a 1 on the scale of things to debate.

I think he was more a tragedy as a result of the new regime.