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Tailgate
08-27-2008, 10:51 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5970987.html

Texans running back Ahman Green has agreed to restructure his contract this season.

Green, who has not played since suffering a pulled goin muscle in the first preseason game, would have made a base salary of 3.8 million, and counting bonuses, could have made as much as 4.2 million.

Now, Green's base salary will be 1.8 million, which frees up 2 million in salary-cap dollars.

Wolf
08-27-2008, 10:52 PM
interesting move

Señor Stan
08-27-2008, 10:53 PM
Green restructures contract (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5970987.html)

Interesting....


Green, who has not played since suffering a pulled goin muscle in the first preseason game, would have made a base salary of 3.8 million, and counting bonuses, could have made as much as 4.2 million.

Now, Green's base salary will be 1.8 million, which frees up 2 million in salary-cap dollars.

To get Green to agree to redo his deal, the Texans are giving him $200,000 for every game in which he's active this season, starting with the second game of the year. That means Green can make three million if he stay's healthy for every game.

By agreeing to restructure the second year of the four-year contract he signed in 2007, Green is showing that he believes he will be healthy this season.

Hervoyel
08-27-2008, 10:54 PM
Ok, this tells me he's not going anywhere which is fine because we've got a season to run the young guys if Green can't go. I take my hat off to him for agreeing to do this however.

Revolution
08-27-2008, 10:55 PM
I was just about to post this. So what are we going to do with that $2 million?

Trap_Star
08-27-2008, 10:55 PM
he knows this is his last shot.

Hervoyel
08-27-2008, 10:56 PM
To get Green to agree to redo his deal, the Texans are giving him $200,000 for every game in which he's active this season, starting with the second game of the year.

Nice way of announcing that Green won't be ready to go for week 1.

Vinny
08-27-2008, 10:57 PM
restructured to avoid being cut

Revolution
08-27-2008, 10:58 PM
restructured to avoid being cut

You hit the nail on the head on this one. I think they let him know if he didn't restructure, he would be cut. No way would he have a chance at making jack anywhere else at this point.

texanfan2002114
08-27-2008, 11:02 PM
It makes me wounder if the Texans restructed his contract to cut someone like a Weaver and they can accelerate the cap hit for this year, instead of partial this year and the rest next year.

Kaiser Toro
08-27-2008, 11:03 PM
Classy move by a professional. We just need him to perform some classy moves on the field now.

In other news, Weaver continues to steal money.

Revolution
08-27-2008, 11:05 PM
In other news, Weaver continues to steal money.

You got that right. Can we cut him already?

ATXtexanfan
08-27-2008, 11:08 PM
Nice move by both sides, I say give the extra cash to demeco as a probowl bonus

281
08-27-2008, 11:13 PM
i like this move a lot... it's about time he was given incentive to ACTUALLY play for us. i don't care how old you are, you should only hold a roster spot if you're actually going to contribute in some way, shape, or form.

BSofA04
08-27-2008, 11:36 PM
Good move by Texans to recover some cash and give Ahman some incentive to stay healthy. Ahman is a terrible disappointment.

KEYE SUX
08-28-2008, 12:18 AM
It is great that he realized that he A. was not worth the $$ he was getting B. was going to be cut. Hopefully this will give him back the FIRE to go out and play (unless he plays only hard enough to not get hurt) Sadly, I think this also means that Walker will be let go and our RB corps will be Green, Slaton, and Taylor.

The Pencil Neck
08-28-2008, 12:28 AM
Personally, I think this says that Brown is gone.

I think it was great for Ahman to restructure and I think it was great for Smith to get him to do it. I'll be interested to see if anyone else follows suit.

mussop
08-28-2008, 01:25 AM
Classy move by a professional. We just need him to perform some classy moves on the field now.

In other news, Weaver continues to steal money.

I doubt he had a choice. If he had refused he would of most likely been cut.

ObsiWan
08-28-2008, 01:45 AM
restructured to avoid being cut

you nailed it.

which overpaid guy is next?
Weaver?
Greenwood?

bckey
08-28-2008, 01:54 AM
restructured to avoid being cut



Vinny you nailed it and it means Chris Brown is more than likely gone. Green knew that this would likely seal the deal so to speak as to which glass back to keep. Doesn't really matter to me because I'm excited about the Slaton/Taylor 1-2 punch.

voltdawg
08-28-2008, 02:16 AM
great job, front office,,, maybe bring in alexander on same kind of deal?????

ObsiWan
08-28-2008, 02:22 AM
great job, front office,,, maybe bring in alexander on same kind of deal?????

I don't think we need Shaun Alexander.
Taylor, Walker, and Slaton - with a motivated Green for at least some games - should suffice.

mussop
08-28-2008, 02:33 AM
Nice way of announcing that Green won't be ready to go for week 1.



What is going on? Both stories are written by McClain.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5971192.html

Texans running back Ahman Green has agreed to restructure his contract this season.

Green, who has not played since suffering a pulled goin muscle in the first preseason game, would have made a base salary of 3.8 million, and counting bonuses, could have made as much as 4.2 million.

Now, Green's base salary will be 1.8 million, which frees up 2 million in salary-cap dollars.

To get Green to agree to redo his deal, the Texans are giving him $200,000 for every game in which he's active this season, starting with the second game of the year. That means Green can make three million if he stay's healthy for every game.
By agreeing to restructure the second year of the four-year contract he signed in 2007, Green is showing that he believes he will be healthy this season.

The last two years of Green's contract were not changed. In 2009, he has a 4.8 million base and $500,000 bonus. In 2010, he has a 4.3 million base and a $500,000 bonus.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5970987.html

Running back Ahman Green agreed Wednesday to restructure the 2008 portion of his four-year contract, reducing his base salary from $3.8 million to $1.8 million.

The deal frees up $2 million in salary cap money for the Texans.

Green, who hasn’t played since suffering a groin injury on the first play of preseason against Denver, is expected to start the first regular-season game at Pittsburgh.

In the deal negotiated by general manager Rick Smith and agent Joby Branion, Green agreed to give up $2 million in base salary and a $500,000 bonus for a chance to make $3 million in per-game bonuses.

In addition to his $1.8 million base, beginning with the second game — the home opener against Baltimore — Green will get $200,000 for every game in which he’s active. If he’s active for the last 15 games, he’ll make $3 million, bringing his income to $4.8 million.

The last two years of the four-year contract won’t change. His base salary next year is $4.8 million. His base salary in 2010 is $4.3 million. He receives $500,000 bonuses each year.

Last year, when Green suffered a knee injury in the first game and was limited to 260 yards rushing, he received a $5 million signing bonus, a base salary of $1.5 million and a roster bonus of $1.5 million

aj.
08-28-2008, 03:20 AM
In the deal negotiated by general manager Rick Smith and agent Joby Branion, Green agreed to give up $2 million in base salary and a $500,000 bonus for a chance to make $3 million in per-game bonuses.



The 500k bonus was already a per-game bonus, and not a lump sum. They just shifted $2 million of his base (that was previously guaranteed if he made the 53) to the per-game bonus bucket (which isn't guaranteed unless he's on the gameday 45).

It's not like Ahman had much leverage in this situation. I was becoming more and more bewilderered at how the team could agree to guarantee his base salary leading up to the roster cuts - given Green's inability to contribute. At least there's a little more incentive now for him to get/stay on the field - otherwise it was just easy money. It's refreshing in a way to see the organization make this move. It will be even better to see Ahman contribute before he rides off into the sunset.

DiehardChris
08-28-2008, 03:28 AM
Great move by the GM. Green knew that whatever deal the Texans offered him - it would be way more than he could get as a FA if the Texans were to cut him. He literally had no choice but to accept the deal.

Malloy
08-28-2008, 04:01 AM
restructured to avoid being cut

My thought exactly.

Green is an intelligent man, he sees the writing on the wall.

I'm actually very pleased with this, now we can bring him to the regular season and fire him off, and regardless of the result it's 'affordable'.

barrett
08-28-2008, 04:30 AM
someone please explain to me how a football player can have incentive to stay healthy? nonsense.

Malloy
08-28-2008, 04:32 AM
someone please explain to me how a football player can have incentive to stay healthy? nonsense.

you mean lack incentive?

BattleRedToro
08-28-2008, 05:46 AM
Vinny you nailed it and it means Chris Brown is more than likely gone. Green knew that this would likely seal the deal so to speak as to which glass back to keep. Doesn't really matter to me because I'm excited about the Slaton/Taylor 1-2 punch.

Actually I think Brown may still make the team as well as Slaton and Taylor.

Taylor will fill the slot that went to Jameel Cook last year.

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2008, 06:15 AM
someone please explain to me how a football player can have incentive to stay healthy? nonsense.


Incentive/disincentive performance clauses should be part of all NFL contracts.......including draft picks. The excuse of "I need to get as much money as I can, because I have a limited window to make it........and what happens if I get injured" can be addressed with LARGE INSURANCE POLICIES, that can be part of the contract or taken out by the player himself (from his given income). What happens when WE don't work?............For that matter, what happens if WE become disabled? What happens when life doesn't deal us the hand we wanted/expected?????:thinking:

nunusguy
08-28-2008, 06:54 AM
This was an obvious move that had to happen for Green to remain with the team. If he's cut for be unwilling to negotiate, I suspect what he gets with another team, if any are interested, is closer to league minimum than his amended terms with the Texans. And I'm with whoever suggested we use the cap savings by releasing Weaver.

aj.
08-28-2008, 07:15 AM
Now, Green's base salary will be 1.8 million, which frees up 2 million in salary-cap dollars.


...but it only frees it up if he doesn't earn the per-game bonus, which if I was a betting man, would appear to be a good bet.

281
08-28-2008, 07:50 AM
someone please explain to me how a football player can have incentive to stay healthy? nonsense.

nobody is saying that. he now has incentive to PLAY.

HJam72
08-28-2008, 08:02 AM
I don't really think Green lacks motivation. I think he's just past his prime and can't stay healthy. It happens. Brown may lack motivation. I don't know.

Thorn
08-28-2008, 08:13 AM
I don't really think Green lacks motivation. I think he's just past his prime and can't stay healthy. It happens. Brown may lack motivation. I don't know.


Exactly.

gtexan02
08-28-2008, 08:22 AM
...but it only frees it up if he doesn't earn the per-game bonus, which if I was a betting man, would appear to be a good bet.

Still think his #1 goal is to sneak paychecks and ride the pine for fear of being in contact?

dalemurphy
08-28-2008, 09:11 AM
The real question is, "what are they freeing up salary cap space for?"

I'm expecting a deal to happen in the next few days, either a trade or they have an eye on a free agent or soon to be free agent.

Then again, maybe they just created some space to re-sign and extend some of our guys.

Lucky
08-28-2008, 09:39 AM
The real question is, "what are they freeing up salary cap space for?"
As aj stated earlier in the thread, there isn't any extra cap space if Green is active over the course of the season. If Green can't stay on the field, the team could release him and realize some cap savings. If so, that money could be used on a replacement at RB.

As far as an impending pickup goes, the Texans are flexible enough under the cap to make a move now. According to Keith's salary cap page (http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap.html), at inthebullseye.com, the Texans are about $8 million under prior to Green's restructure. Whether Green had or hadn't restructured, the Texans could bring on a big salary. If the situation presents itself.

RTP2110
08-28-2008, 09:56 AM
What is going on? Both stories are written by McClain.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5971192.html

Texans running back Ahman Green has agreed to restructure his contract this season.

Green, who has not played since suffering a pulled goin muscle in the first preseason game, would have made a base salary of 3.8 million, and counting bonuses, could have made as much as 4.2 million.

Now, Green's base salary will be 1.8 million, which frees up 2 million in salary-cap dollars.

To get Green to agree to redo his deal, the Texans are giving him $200,000 for every game in which he's active this season, starting with the second game of the year. That means Green can make three million if he stay's healthy for every game.
By agreeing to restructure the second year of the four-year contract he signed in 2007, Green is showing that he believes he will be healthy this season.

The last two years of Green's contract were not changed. In 2009, he has a 4.8 million base and $500,000 bonus. In 2010, he has a 4.3 million base and a $500,000 bonus.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5970987.html

Running back Ahman Green agreed Wednesday to restructure the 2008 portion of his four-year contract, reducing his base salary from $3.8 million to $1.8 million.

The deal frees up $2 million in salary cap money for the Texans.

Green, who hasn’t played since suffering a groin injury on the first play of preseason against Denver, is expected to start the first regular-season game at Pittsburgh.

In the deal negotiated by general manager Rick Smith and agent Joby Branion, Green agreed to give up $2 million in base salary and a $500,000 bonus for a chance to make $3 million in per-game bonuses.

In addition to his $1.8 million base, beginning with the second game — the home opener against Baltimore — Green will get $200,000 for every game in which he’s active. If he’s active for the last 15 games, he’ll make $3 million, bringing his income to $4.8 million.

The last two years of the four-year contract won’t change. His base salary next year is $4.8 million. His base salary in 2010 is $4.3 million. He receives $500,000 bonuses each year.

Last year, when Green suffered a knee injury in the first game and was limited to 260 yards rushing, he received a $5 million signing bonus, a base salary of $1.5 million and a roster bonus of $1.5 million


Green will play week 1. The per game bonus kicks in week 2, so that the total will be 3 mil for the year. 15 games X 200,000 = $3,000,000. If they started it week 1, it would throw everything off.

keyser
08-28-2008, 10:01 AM
...but it only frees it up if he doesn't earn the per-game bonus, which if I was a betting man, would appear to be a good bet.

I don't think this is exactly right (at least as far as this year's cap). I think the bonuses are classified as incentives, which can either be "not likely to be earned" or "likely to be earned". I believe that deciding which category it will be is done by comparing to the previous year. Since Green was inactive so much of last year, I think these would be all or mostly "not likely to be earned."

My understanding of the salary cap is that only the likely to be earned incentives would count against this year's cap (if earned). The NLTBE incentives, if earned, would count instead against next year's cap. So, I think even if Green earns the incentives, the cap hit would be mainly next year.

Mr teX
08-28-2008, 10:11 AM
It is great that he realized that he A. was not worth the $$ he was getting B. was going to be cut. Hopefully this will give him back the FIRE to go out and play (unless he plays only hard enough to not get hurt) Sadly, I think this also means that Walker will be let go and our RB corps will be Green, Slaton, and Taylor.

I thought kubes made reference to possibly keeping 4 backs which means that Walker could still be in the mix. as for green restructuring, i think that this makes brown the odd man out.

Polo
08-28-2008, 10:16 AM
I don't see at this point how you don't keep Darius Walker...

Even if you go with Green and Brown there's no guarantee that either will make it through the first game...

TexansLucky13
08-28-2008, 10:20 AM
I don't see at this point how you don't keep Darius Walker...

Even if you go with Green and Brown there's no guarantee that either will make it through the first game...

If we keep Brown and Green, I doubt we keep Walker. Don't forget about Taylor and Slaton.

Polo
08-28-2008, 10:27 AM
If we keep Brown and Green, I doubt we keep Walker. Don't forget about Taylor and Slaton.

Brown isn't even guaranteed to make it to the game much less get through it...

Green hasn't shown he can make it through a series...

It's possible that one or both could be gone in the blink of an eye....

That'd only leave you with two backs in a hearbeat...

I think Walker makes this team regardless....

Vinny
08-28-2008, 10:28 AM
I don't see Walker making the team if we keep Brown and Green.

Porky
08-28-2008, 10:34 AM
Agree in general with Vinny, but if they don't think Brown can stay healthy they could jettison him and keep Walker as RB #4, with Green, Slaton and Taylor being the swingman jack of all trades.

Mr teX
08-28-2008, 10:52 AM
If brown stays walker is out... which i think it'd be a mistake to keep brown & let walker go but i just think at some point kubes has to give him a fair chance to make this team. He's done nothing but what they ask.

Lucky
08-28-2008, 11:00 AM
I don't think this is exactly right (at least as far as this year's cap). I think the bonuses are classified as incentives, which can either be "not likely to be earned" or "likely to be earned". I believe that deciding which category it will be is done by comparing to the previous year. Since Green was inactive so much of last year, I think these would be all or mostly "not likely to be earned."

My understanding of the salary cap is that only the likely to be earned incentives would count against this year's cap (if earned). The NLTBE incentives, if earned, would count instead against next year's cap. So, I think even if Green earns the incentives, the cap hit would be mainly next year.
In essence, I think you're right. According to the NFL CBA (http://www.nflplayers.com/user/template.aspx?fmid=181&lmid=231&pid=612&type=c), roster bonuses are considered unlikely to be earned. So the cap hit could be moved to 2009.

(c) Incentives.
(vi) Any incentive bonus that depends on a player’s individual performance in any category not identified in Exhibit B hereto automatically will be deemed “likely to be earned.”
(EXHIBIT B)
INDIVIDUAL INCENTIVES
OTHERS
Roster bonuses Roster bonuses are indentified in Exhibit B as an unlikely to be earned incentive.

Polo
08-28-2008, 11:15 AM
Since we probably aren't going to carry the 6th reciever + Taylor is also a FB, I can see us carrying four backs...

I think, regardless, Walker is going to make the team..

BigBull17
08-28-2008, 11:32 AM
It is great that he realized that he A. was not worth the $$ he was getting B. was going to be cut. Hopefully this will give him back the FIRE to go out and play (unless he plays only hard enough to not get hurt) Sadly, I think this also means that Walker will be let go and our RB corps will be Green, Slaton, and Taylor.

Nah, we have Taylor as the emegrency FB, we could keep 4.

leebigeztx
08-28-2008, 11:46 AM
It makes me wounder if the Texans restructed his contract to cut someone like a Weaver and they can accelerate the cap hit for this year, instead of partial this year and the rest next year.

That's my thought. Plus sometimes u restructure to get cut. The salaries aren't guaranteed, but with the 200k per game, its win-win. Weaver might be a goner.

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2008, 11:55 AM
If brown stays walker is out... which i think it'd be a mistake to keep brown & let walker go but i just think at some point kubes has to give him a fair chance to make this team. He's done nothing but what they ask.

Walker's still elligible for the practice squad.

Ole Miss Texan
08-28-2008, 12:00 PM
This was a great move on both sides of the fence. Green guarantees a roster spot, otherwise he probably wouldn't get picked up by any other team. For the team, I think it looks like we can still cut him fairly easily after this season if needed and it won't be any big loss. If Green stays healthy and plays all the games... we can keep him for the next season or two and he'll get paid as planned. If he's injured, we don't have to pay him this season and can cut him in the offseason without any big loss.

HOU-TEX
08-28-2008, 12:04 PM
This was a great move on both sides of the fence. Green guarantees a roster spot, otherwise he probably wouldn't get picked up by any other team. For the team, I think it looks like we can still cut him fairly easily after this season if needed and it won't be any big loss. If Green stays healthy and plays all the games... we can keep him for the next season or two and he'll get paid as planned. If he's injured, we don't have to pay him this season and can cut him in the offseason without any big loss.

Hopefully we have a RB or two other than Green that can prove reliable and produce on the field this season. That way we'd cut Green after this season. Or just keep him for cheap as a veteran presence.

:texflag:

The Pencil Neck
08-28-2008, 12:08 PM
Walker's still elligible for the practice squad.

Yes, but there's a chance he won't clear waivers.

OzzO
08-28-2008, 12:25 PM
Good move for both sides, feel a little better about that situation.

But does "..Green can make three million if he stay's healthy for every game" reflect healthy for just the first play, or healthy the entire game?

:thinking:

aj.
08-28-2008, 12:57 PM
In essence, I think you're right. According to the NFL CBA (http://www.nflplayers.com/user/template.aspx?fmid=181&lmid=231&pid=612&type=c), roster bonuses are considered unlikely to be earned. So the cap hit could be moved to 2009.

Roster bonuses are indentified in Exhibit B as an unlikely to be earned incentive.

I need to refresh on that. I was thinking roster bonus was assignable to the current year when earned. I've gotten rusty on some of the fine print.

aj.
08-28-2008, 01:00 PM
Still think his #1 goal is to sneak paychecks and ride the pine for fear of being in contact?

It was restructure or be cut. People can draw whatever conclusion they want from that. I'm sure he would have preferred $3.8 guaranteed but $1.8 is better than nothing I guess. We'll see what kind of fire and passion he brings into Week 1.

I'm glad the Texans forced the issue. If he can play, great. If he can't, less loss.

cuppacoffee
08-28-2008, 02:16 PM
I was just about to post this. So what are we going to do with that $2 million?

My house needs painting. :D

That's only if any of it comes my way...:money:

Just being a wise gy....I know what you mean...:gun:


:coffee:

Specnatz
08-28-2008, 02:20 PM
Someone please explain this complete fascination everyone has with Taylor. He did nothing during the chances he got, Slaton ran behind the same players as he did and made the most out of it. Walker got almost no playing time after the first game, which baffles me completely.

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2008, 02:21 PM
Yes, but there's a chance he won't clear waivers.

That's always a possibility. But I'm not sure how much real interest or value Walker may carry for any other team, based on his past performance.

hadaad
08-28-2008, 02:22 PM
Someone please explain this complete fascination everyone has with Taylor. He did nothing during the chances he got, Slaton ran behind the same players as he did and made the most out of it. Walker got almost no playing time after the first game, which baffles me completely.

The end numbers in the third game for Slaton and Taylor are almost identical, except that Slaton had a big play and Taylor was more consistent. I don't know that Taylor played himself off the team.

I think Kubiak has made it pretty clear (this is coming out of my nethers from impressions I've gotten, rather than anywhere I can quote) that he likes Taylor more than Walker. Maybe Walker makes the team too, maybe he doesn't, but I'm pretty sure that you'll see Chris Taylor make the final 53.

barrett
08-28-2008, 03:38 PM
someone please explain to me how a football player can have incentive to stay healthy? nonsense.

nobody is saying that. he now has incentive to PLAY.

... At least there's a little more incentive now for him to get/stay on the field - otherwise it was just easy money. It's refreshing in a way to see the organization make this move. It will be even better to see Ahman contribute before he rides off into the sunset.

to the contrary agent 281.

Incentive/disincentive performance clauses should be part of all NFL contracts.......including draft picks. The excuse of "I need to get as much money as I can, because I have a limited window to make it........and what happens if I get injured" can be addressed with LARGE INSURANCE POLICIES, that can be part of the contract or taken out by the player himself (from his given income). What happens when WE don't work?............For that matter, what happens if WE become disabled? What happens when life doesn't deal us the hand we wanted/expected?????:thinking:

a performance clause that gives a player incentive to achieve certain goals such as statistical acomplishments makes sense to me. what doesn't make sense to me, and i am aware that this goes on, is "incentives" for a player to play in x number of games. what does make sense is an incentive for a player to work harder at his skill so that his achievements allows him more playing time. that sort of "incentive" to play in x number of games makes sense, but you cannot have "incentive" to stay healthy.

kiwitexansfan
08-28-2008, 03:56 PM
Classy move from Green, both from a team perspective and a knowing how to save your own a$$ perspective.

aj.
08-28-2008, 04:44 PM
Originally Posted by 281
nobody is saying that. he now has incentive to PLAYto the contrary agent 281.

If some of the previous posts are correct about the CBA considering a roster bonus an incentive, then the players union (and the team) are also calling it an incentive.

Ahman's choice was to take the restructure or likely hit the street. And then only earn the bonus money - prorated at 1/16th of the total bonus amount per week - if he's on the active 45 on game day. Sounds like a pretty incentiv-ish to me.

wrt a previous post, it just seems odd to me that a roster bonus is considered an NLTBEI (and deferable to the following cap year)... especially since most are paid in lump sums between May and the end of August of the current year if players are on rosters on certain dates. Ahman's is different in that he earns it weekly if he's on the 45.

GP
08-28-2008, 09:08 PM
Sooo.......

We would have eaten more (in CAP) if we had cut him, right?

Am I wrong when I say that Ahman is NOT going to play a down of football for us, and therefore we're keeping him at a reduced salary just to keep from having a larger CAP hit if we had cut him outright?

I am a-w-f-u-l at all this contract stuff. LOL. I'd make a great GM, see?

Dancerdog
08-29-2008, 11:07 AM
Imagine if you will, Ahman Green stays healthy and plays all 16 (hopefully 17 or more) games and produces some good rushing numbers. It may be unlikely, but it could happen. This contract gives him some incentive to stay healthy for the season. He has been a Pro-Bowler in the past and has to have some pride in that accomplishment. I don't think anyone would want for this to be a good season more than him. Maybe pride adds something to the equation. I'm not saying it's likely, but it would be great if he really rebounded this season. Stranger things have happened.

RTP2110
08-29-2008, 03:36 PM
Here's a great read about Green and his contract........the guy didnt post a link tho


http://www.operationsports.com/forums/pro-football/265970-interesting-article-contract-texans-rb-ahman-green-signed-last-offseason.html

thunderkyss
08-29-2008, 04:25 PM
The end numbers in the third game for Slaton and Taylor are almost identical, except that Slaton had a big play and Taylor was more consistent. I don't know that Taylor played himself off the team.


to add to that, their ypc were about the same. Slaton was stuffed behind the line 3 times(maybe two) where Chris Taylor never was.

This may not have as much to do with the individual runner, but if you're going to use Slaton's big runs as a plus for him, you've got to use those minuses as well.

In contrast, Taylor did not lose any yards in that game.

Same OL, against the same DL, isn't exactly true, we switched some guys, they switched some guys..... and it was only one game. A meaningless game at that.

Right now, the two are even, neither better/worse than the other, and we'll see what we've got as the year goes on.