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Ali4Real
08-23-2008, 07:54 AM
Do you think Ahman Greene is on his way out, meaning do you think the Texans FO well cut him by the end of the season if not before? And if the Texans do this well we take a CAP hit or anything?



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DEATH TO ROMO!

BSofA04
08-23-2008, 02:44 PM
Kub's doesn't appear to have given up on him, yet. The problem is if we keep him on the regular season roster, it'll take away a space from some like Darius Walker who CAN play. I sorta get the feeling that Green has until Week 1 to get his rear end on the field. Otherwise they'll give him the axe.

Same could be said with Chris Brown. What a disappointment thusfar.

beerlover
08-25-2008, 12:00 AM
Green has been a terrible disappointment no matter how you rationalize his value to the Texans & they're on the hook thru 2010 5.5, 6.5 mil per whatever- its too much. @ this point they need to cut their loses (Weaver too) period. even when healthy does he really bring that much more to the table than anyone else they have? think about it :lightbulb:

The Pencil Neck
08-25-2008, 02:20 AM
Green has been a terrible disappointment no matter how you rationalize his value to the Texans & they're on the hook thru 2010 5.5, 6.5 mil per whatever- its too much. @ this point they need to cut their loses (Weaver too) period. even when healthy does he really bring that much more to the table than anyone else they have? think about it :lightbulb:

I think when Green's healthy, he's our best all around back. Hands down. If he can give us 5-6 good games, it might be worth it. He just might NOT be able to. I can't really make that call from where I'm sitting because I haven't seen ANYTHING from him except for 1 play.

But at this point, this has to be considered one of the few bad moves that Smithiak has made and you have to wonder how much of it came from Sherman lobbying for one of his old players.

Bull Pen 1
08-25-2008, 07:24 AM
I say cut him, he is not worth the roster spot. He was hurt in what the first or second week of last season and the first play of this preseason. If I'm correct he gets a bonus for making the starting day roster of 4 or 5 million dollars and plus his salary. The chanches he will make it thru the season might be 1%.

While we at it cut Brown also.

We can pich up a player if we fell we need another running back. Sure the new one wouldn't have practiced with the Texans but, Green and Brown hasn't either. The only advantage Green and Brown has is they might have been studying the playbook.

Hook'er
08-25-2008, 07:49 AM
Green has been a terrible disappointment no matter how you rationalize his value to the Texans & they're on the hook thru 2010 5.5, 6.5 mil per whatever- its too much. @ this point they need to cut their loses (Weaver too) period. even when healthy does he really bring that much more to the table than anyone else they have? think about it :lightbulb:

I agree beerlover, we can thank ol' Sherman for this mistake!:texflag:

Vinnie
08-25-2008, 08:16 AM
I think when Green's healthy, he's our best all around back.

He certainly looked it in the two traininig camps I got to attend, then again the defense looked awesome swarming tackle dummies so...:shrug:

Silver Oak
08-25-2008, 08:27 AM
I think we'll hold onto one of either Green or Brown, and since we're not at practices like the coaches are, all we can do is hope they keep the one who is toughest and more likely to play.

Thorn
08-25-2008, 08:54 AM
I say cut Green and Brown, of what use are they if they never play?

Malloy
08-25-2008, 09:04 AM
I see Brown getting cut first. Green starts first game or hes gone.

GlassHalfFull
08-25-2008, 10:04 AM
He certainly looked it in the two traininig camps I got to attend, then again the defense looked awesome swarming tackle dummies so...:shrug:

This is what I keep hanging on to. I hate to give up on him, because he just looked so impressive in TC. My faith took a major blow when he went down after 1 play, but I want to see what he can do in the first game.

gtexan02
08-25-2008, 10:08 AM
I don't think we can go into the 16 game season with the combined experience of Slaton, Walker, and Taylor. I think we need either Brown or Green, and I think Green is hands down better than Brown

Thorn
08-25-2008, 11:07 AM
I don't think we can go into the 16 game season with the combined experience of Slaton, Walker, and Taylor. I think we need either Brown or Green, and I think Green is hands down better than Brown

In theory, I would agree, but what do we need them for if they can't play through their injuries? If it's simply their experience being helpful to the rookies, isn't that also the coaches job?

bigbrewster2000
08-25-2008, 11:20 AM
I don't think we can go into the 16 game season with the combined experience of Slaton, Walker, and Taylor. I think we need either Brown or Green, and I think Green is hands down better than Brown

Sure we can, Denver is doing the exact same thing with their RB's. They could do it but they probably wont. Green it is. Brown needs to be cut if he cant get on the field. Green will be hopefuly, but at this point I truly hope neither one make the team. Roster spots are way too precious to fill them with injury prone RB's.

ObsiWan
08-25-2008, 11:24 AM
I don't think we can go into the 16 game season with the combined experience of Slaton, Walker, and Taylor. I think we need either Brown or Green, and I think Green is hands down better than Brown

Part of me - the conspiracy theorist part - is beginning to wonder if this little "injury" is a Kubiak ploy to save Green from any serious preseason damage (see Jason Taylor, Osi Umenyiora, etc.) given that Ahman is... well... old.

And then, come opening day, a "miracle" will occur and Green'll look just fine.

...At least for a half.

Edit:
another reason for doing this is to see what Chris Taylor and Steve Slaton are made of. They pretty much know what they've got in Green and Walker. Brown has something of a decent (when healthy) resume' too. The only real questions were (1) is Taylor all the way back? and (2) Can Slaton really play with the big boys? Can't find those things out if Green/Brown take all the 1st team reps - which they should if healthy.

Wouldn't be the first time we've been led astray by NFL medical reports.

BigWig
08-25-2008, 11:45 AM
He should change his name to Ahman Bennie Tony Green Joppru Boselli!

beerlover
08-25-2008, 12:04 PM
I can't remember anything Ahman Green has done impressive on the field as a Texan, nothing in two years. impressive in training camp, please...was their contact involved? For reasons I can't explain the Texans have fallen in love with his workouts, they like his speed, cuts, blocking technique, ability to catch the ball out of the backfield his overall athletic ability forgetting the most important factor (his heart) for a RB- COMPETITIVNESS. somehow, someway they forgot to measure his heart, love of the game to be on the field, healthy or hurt helping his team win, to compete like a gladiator on the field of battle :crutch:

nero THE zero
08-25-2008, 12:14 PM
I see Brown getting cut first. Green starts first game or hes gone.

The problem with this is that Ahman has a bonus due to him if he makes the 53 man roster. So, if you're going to cut him, it would make fiscal sense to do it before Saturday. If you don't cut him then, you might as well keep him on for the rest of the season and hope he gives you something.

SheTexan
08-25-2008, 12:15 PM
I have a DREAM! Slayton will be the AP of 2008!! Hey, it's MY dream, leave me alone!!:)

AP was my sleeper rookie last year for my FF team. THANKS to him, my wallet got a little bigger at the end of the season! I'm just wondering if Slayton could be that guy this year! (just wondering!!)

nero THE zero
08-25-2008, 12:19 PM
I have a DREAM! Slayton will be the AP of 2008!! Hey, it's MY dream, leave me alone!!:)

was my sleeper rookie last year for my FF team. THANKS to him, my wallet got a little bigger at the end of the season! I'm just wondering if Slayton could be that guy this year! (just wondering!!)

AP, as in Adrian Peterson?

Have any openings in that league?

Sideline
08-25-2008, 12:21 PM
Part of me - the conspiracy theorist part - is beginning to wonder if this little "injury" is a Kubiak ploy to save Green from any serious preseason damage (see Jason Taylor, Osi Umenyiora, etc.) given that Ahman is... well... old.

And then, come opening day, a "miracle" will occur and Green'll look just fine.

...At least for a half.

Edit:
another reason for doing this is to see what Chris Taylor and Steve Slaton are made of. They pretty much know what they've got in Green and Walker. Brown has something of a decent (when healthy) resume' too. The only real questions were (1) is Taylor all the way back? and (2) Can Slaton really play with the big boys? Can't find those things out if Green/Brown take all the 1st team reps - which they should if healthy.

Wouldn't be the first time we've been led astray by NFL medical reports.

An excellent post there dude, I agree with everything said.

I do hope and think that Green was held back for that reason, I think we at least see how he rolls in week one. Got to agree also with the fact that we wanted to see some questions answered and the above questions are the ones that needed answering, I thought Brown showed some good signs of life against the Saints and would like to see what he can do in regular season form.

thunderkyss
08-25-2008, 12:23 PM
I don't think we can go into the 16 game season with the combined experience of Slaton, Walker, and Taylor. I think we need either Brown or Green, and I think Green is hands down better than Brown

We'll, we've got Marcell Shipp to. If you've got to have NFL experience, there he is.

Then of the two, Chris Brown is much more explosive, and dangerous than Ahman Green. If I had to chose between the two of them, I'd go with Brown.

But who you going to bring on game day? Chris Taylor & Steve Slaton needs to be active for every game. If we're bringing Marcell Ship, then that leaves no room for Chris Brown. Cut him.

Now I haven't seen a lot of him, but I would much rather bring Darius Walker to the games as well. So, cut Marcell Shipp.

My Job is not on the line, I don't think Kubes' is either. So I would have no problem with Taylor as my Starter, Slaton as my change of pace, and Walker as my back-up for any and every game we have this season. If something were to happen to one of the three, I'd call Marcell Shipp, and hope he's still available.

I'd also place a call to Ahman Green, and Chris Brown, just to let them know if they hadn't been cut, I would have used them in these situations... and see if they can get me in touch with Ron Dayne.

HOU-TEX
08-25-2008, 12:23 PM
As much as we all want him cut, I think he'll be on the roster this season. That goes for Brown too.

Green
Brown
Taylor
Slaton

Specnatz
08-25-2008, 12:56 PM
This may be as far fetched of anything I have come up with in a while but doesn't Taylor of some practice squad eligibility left?

From what I have seen no one is going to be grabbing him as soon as he is cut.

Vinnie
08-25-2008, 01:17 PM
Part of me - the conspiracy theorist part - is beginning to wonder if this little "injury" is a Kubiak ploy to save Green from any serious preseason damage (see Jason Taylor, Osi Umenyiora, etc.) given that Ahman is... well... old.

And then, come opening day, a "miracle" will occur and Green'll look just fine.

...At least for a half.

Edit:
another reason for doing this is to see what Chris Taylor and Steve Slaton are made of. They pretty much know what they've got in Green and Walker. Brown has something of a decent (when healthy) resume' too. The only real questions were (1) is Taylor all the way back? and (2) Can Slaton really play with the big boys? Can't find those things out if Green/Brown take all the 1st team reps - which they should if healthy.

Wouldn't be the first time we've been led astray by NFL medical reports.

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The Pencil Neck
08-25-2008, 02:48 PM
I can't remember anything Ahman Green has done impressive on the field as a Texan, nothing in two years.

Off the top of my pointy head... Big screen pass against the Raiders. Running over Roy Williams last year against the Cowboys.

checo446
08-26-2008, 11:46 AM
The problem with this is that Ahman has a bonus due to him if he makes the 53 man roster. So, if you're going to cut him, it would make fiscal sense to do it before Saturday. If you don't cut him then, you might as well keep him on for the rest of the season and hope he gives you something.

Texans are on the hook for $3.8 million if they don't cut him before the Week 1 cut deadline.

If it were me running the show, he would be gone as his unreliability is no better than just putting the young guys in and hoping for the best, especially with that type of coin on the line.

Ole Miss Texan
08-26-2008, 11:56 AM
I was excited when we signed Green last year and thought the injury issues were exaggerated- boy was I ever wrong. During this offseason, I thought there was probably a 50/50 chance we keep Green and have thought since he got injured last year that we would keep him 2 years and then release him (be free of the final 2 years).

With what Kubiak has done this preseason with Green, I'm 99% sure he's on the roster come Week 1. Week 2 however, he could easily be on IR. I think Kubiak is going to go forward this season with Green and while the injury history concerns Kubiak- I don't think it's a deciding factor in whether to keep or release him.

Here's why I think that. If Kubiak was severely concerned about Green's injury and wondering whether or not he would get anything out of him this upcoming season, Green would be playing in preseason games. Apparently he's healthy enough to play right now, but they don't want to risk anything. If Kubes was THAT worried about it, and it was a deciding factor, he would have played him against Dallas to see how he held up. If Green was that fragile that he got hurt... good riddance, that would make his decision. But he didn't because he's ready to go forward with Green this season and wants to save him.

I now think Brown is the odd man out. We're keeping Green and Slaton. I think Taylor and Walker should also make the squad, with Leach being the lone fullback. We'll only carry 5 wr's now.

badboy
08-26-2008, 02:41 PM
I think when Green's healthy, he's our best all around back. Hands down. If he can give us 5-6 good games, it might be worth it. He just might NOT be able to. I can't really make that call from where I'm sitting because I haven't seen ANYTHING from him except for 1 play.

But at this point, this has to be considered one of the few bad moves that Smithiak has made and you have to wonder how much of it came from Sherman lobbying for one of his old players.$1 million per healthy game...

badboy
08-26-2008, 02:44 PM
I don't think we can go into the 16 game season with the combined experience of Slaton, Walker, and Taylor. I think we need either Brown or Green, and I think Green is hands down better than BrownThe combined experience of Slaton, Walker and Taylor got us over 4 yards per carry avg. and paychecks a little bit cheaper and something called "future years" looking pretty good to me. Even better I got to see the three actually PLAY.

threetoedpete
08-26-2008, 02:55 PM
I was excited when we signed Green last year and thought the injury issues were exaggerated- boy was I ever wrong. During this offseason, I thought there was probably a 50/50 chance we keep Green and have thought since he got injured last year that we would keep him 2 years and then release him (be free of the final 2 years).

With what Kubiak has done this preseason with Green, I'm 99% sure he's on the roster come Week 1. Week 2 however, he could easily be on IR. I think Kubiak is going to go forward this season with Green and while the injury history concerns Kubiak- I don't think it's a deciding factor in whether to keep or release him.

Here's why I think that. If Kubiak was severely concerned about Green's injury and wondering whether or not he would get anything out of him this upcoming season, Green would be playing in preseason games. Apparently he's healthy enough to play right now, but they don't want to risk anything. If Kubes was THAT worried about it, and it was a deciding factor, he would have played him against Dallas to see how he held up. If Green was that fragile that he got hurt... good riddance, that would make his decision. But he didn't because he's ready to go forward with Green this season and wants to save him.

I now think Brown is the odd man out. We're keeping Green and Slaton. I think Taylor and Walker should also make the squad, with Leach being the lone fullback. We'll only carry 5 wr's now.

What else can they do at this point....go to war with virtually four rookies at RB ? Expose MS to a mistake ?
That's not going to happen. Agreed: Green is the bell cow. And as much as no one likes it...our season rides and falls on his ability to survive fifteen touches a game . Five Wrs ? The insurance for Ah-men is going to be very expensive indeed. No more 2000 carry over thirty RBs please. never again.

gtexan02
08-26-2008, 03:04 PM
Who wants to make a bet with me? I am willing to bet that Ahman starts and makes at has at least 15 carries in week 1

threetoedpete
08-26-2008, 03:06 PM
The combined experience of Slaton, Walker and Taylor got us over 4 yards per carry avg. and paychecks a little bit cheaper and something called "future years" looking pretty good to me. Even better I got to see the three actually PLAY.

More than one of them will make an error this season. They will make many. Your wagering going to the Qb well in the draft once again when you post stuff like this....We know now today,Criss Taylor can't read a corner fire for squat. That's a game time fact. I don't care how good they've looked so far. The younger they are the more mistakes they'll make...they will make mistakes. You bank on anything bank on that one. Cheaper is not always better. And if we are going anywhere this year, Green must be relatively healthy for most of the games.

ChampionTexan
08-26-2008, 03:15 PM
As much as we all want him cut, I think he'll be on the roster this season. That goes for Brown too.

Green
Brown
Taylor
Slaton

Right now, I'm thinking Walker, TBD, and possibly even Shipp all have a better shot at making the roster than Brown does. For better or worse, I don't see them getting rid of Green either.

Silver Oak
08-26-2008, 03:38 PM
I find this thread to be depressing and I don't think I'll visit it again.

We ain't even played Game 1 yet and many are sticking a fork in us to show we're done.

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HOU-TEX
08-26-2008, 03:43 PM
Right now, I'm thinking Walker, TBD, and possibly even Shipp all have a better shot at making the roster than Brown does. For better or worse, I don't see them getting rid of Green either.

I'm beginning to sway that direction too, ChampTex. It just boggles my mind a guy that has been tagged as injury prone would come to a new team that wanted him, only to bail due to being a little nicked. That goes for Ahman Green McLady too.

Does anybody have the Cap numbers if we were to cut Brown? I wouldn't think he'd cost us much if anything.

Seņor Stan
08-26-2008, 03:46 PM
I'm beginning to sway that direction too, ChampTex. It just boggles my mind a guy that has been tagged as injury prone would come to a new team that wanted him, only to bail due to being a little nicked. That goes for Ahman Green McLady too.

Does anybody have the Cap numbers if we were to cut Brown? I wouldn't think he'd cost us much if anything.


from Keith at InTheBullsEye

Says here that if Green doesn't find a way to stay healthy through training camp, he'll be gone before the season opener in Pittsburgh. And, if he is sent packing, then as a June 1 cut Green only carries $1.25 million in dead money on the 2008 salary cap, actually saving a couple million in cap space should the team be looking for an alternative

How Safe is Ahman Green? (http://www.inthebullseye.com/archive/2008/20080629.html)


With Brown I think they would only be on the hook for his 700,000 signing bounus....1.4 million max.

HOU-TEX
08-26-2008, 03:48 PM
from Keith at InTheBullsEye



How Safe is Ahman Green? (http://www.inthebullseye.com/archive/2008/20080629.html)

That's cool. Anything on Chris Brown?

ObsiWan
08-30-2008, 06:05 PM
I have a DREAM! Slayton will be the AP of 2008!! Hey, it's MY dream, leave me alone!!:)

AP was my sleeper rookie last year for my FF team. THANKS to him, my wallet got a little bigger at the end of the season! I'm just wondering if Slayton could be that guy this year! (just wondering!!)

Well, I for one, am hoping your dream comes true!!
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