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Hervoyel
08-22-2008, 11:45 PM
If the starters had stayed in the whole game I think Dallas would have hung 40 on us with ease. We looked pathetic tonight, particularly on the defensive side. Here's what I came away with from this mess.

Matt Schaub started out horrible and then was able to actually pull himself together and play at a high level consistently until he left the game. At the start of the game he was all over the place with his accuracy and he just looked to me like his head hadn't arrived at the stadium yet. I don't know what was up with that but once he settled down he reaffirmed my feelings from last week. He's the guy we want pulling the trigger back there. Following his 3 of 11 start he went 12 of 16 with a few dropped balls in there. Sage looked pretty damned average too but taking into consideration the supporting cast he was working with (excluding David Anderson and Darius Walker) I'm going to have to say that I am pleased with our QB's.

Steve Slaton starts for me in week 1 against Pittsburgh. I just see him getting better faster than any of the other RB's. Chris Taylor finally showed us something and appears to be finally getting it together following his year off on IR. Darius Walker did what he always does which is grind out yards in an effective if unspectacular manner. We averaged better than 4 yards a carry tonight and while I'm still concerned with our RB's I'm not horrified at the prospect of going into the season with Slaton, Taylor, and Walker in that order. I've already cut Ahman Green in my mind and Chris Brown has given us absolutely nothing at this point. Does anyone know why he wasn't playing tonight? What part of his glass body isn't working today?

Our offensive line didn't impress me much but I have to say that we didn't allow a sack which is impressive. Schaub was rushed a few times but he didn't go down and this was one of the better defenses we'll see (although I feel like we didn't get their best effort for obvious reasons). Their run blocking got better as the game progressed and I feel like I see progress there. I think they look ok and appear to be improving weekly.

On defense I am very concerned. Our DL is a worthless thing that comes at a very high price. They get no push, ever. No QB I've seen so far in preseason has even remotely looked bothered by them. If we can't get a pass rush out of them or stop a running back (it seems like everybody runs all over the Texans doesn't it?) then we are going to suck incredibly this year. Maurice Jones-Drew and Fred Taylor are going to destroy us and Peyton Manning will carve us to pieces. We might even make Vince Young look like he understands the passing game before this season is over at the rate we're going.

We look weak and we look soft. We look confused. Our defensive philosophy is not working no matter what Richard Smith says. This man can't do this job and somebody needs a reality check over there ASAP before we spend the next season getting our heads handed to us.

Our linebackers are missing at least one more quality starter like DeMeco. We already have Diles who is our lunch-pail guy who we also needed. Now we need someone to replace Moron Greenwood. He's our Achilles heel back there. As long as he's on the field we aren't going to get the play out of our linebackers that we need.

The secondary is just a joke. Reeves is terrible, Bennett played pretty horribly tonight, and Petey is still very much "Petey". Demps looked like he didn't care for the first time this preseason. Without Dunta (and more importantly a pass rush) we are in deep poo.

Finally on Jacoby Jones I just think he's a waste of a roster spot. He's a below average WR with above average speed. He's a fast PR guy who slings the ball around like it's a loaf of bread. You can look at this man's face and tell that he's got the maturity level of a high school player. He's not ready for the NFL and may never be. I think he's just the result of the Texans desire to create a "marquee player" out of him and I wouldn't even have him making the team if Williams hadn't been hurt. Now we keep him but he won't make it out of camp next year. He was a gamble and that gamble went bust.

Next week I could care less what happens as long as we don't get anybody hurt.

76Texan
08-22-2008, 11:49 PM
Herv, you are hard to please.
We are 2-1, and coulda been 3-0 easily.

Wins will be what it takes to get us to the play-offs!

markn
08-22-2008, 11:49 PM
Echoes my thoughts exactly. I've said after the first two pre-season games that the defense is a huge worry, but now we get to the supposed dress-rehearsal and it looks even worse. I'm no expert and I don't pretend to know how to fix it, but with all the money and picks spent on this shambles someone has some serious questions to answer.

buddyboy
08-22-2008, 11:53 PM
I agree that this game coulda been completely out of hand. They marched up and down the field on us with ease.

The only thing that saved us was the INT in the endzone and the FF by Mario. That's two TDs prevented by turnovers, and the INT in the endzone really turned the momentum in our favor, since the drive before Schaub looked lost and after the INT, he really got things together.

Hervoyel
08-22-2008, 11:55 PM
Herv, you are hard to please.
We are 2-1, and coulda been 3-0 easily.

Wins will be what it takes to get us to the play-offs!


Not really. Just because I can see the warts on a win doesn't mean I am hard to please. I can also recognize and appreciate a great effort given in a loss but I haven't seen one of those in a while. What I see is a defense that doesn't stop anybody. That's a real problem.

Hardcore Texan
08-22-2008, 11:55 PM
It's really hard to disagree with much of Herv's post. I do disagree a little here or there but overall it's pretty spot on IMO. Especially regarding our D, Richard Smith, the amazing missing RB's Green and Brown.

I have also said for some time now I was very concerned about our D this year and the fact we haven't replaced Smith.

J-Russ
08-22-2008, 11:57 PM
I think that post deserves a slow clap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZWPrLbIy9k

Maddict5
08-22-2008, 11:57 PM
nothing like a fan's unadulating hope and excitement that accompanys a new season lol :gun:

we're not as bad as we make out. the defence is a bit alarming alright but the way i look at it is that its better than it was last season and at the end of last season it was playing mediocre. we can get a winning record with an average defence with our offence (if its on its game)


and you're way too down on JJ. young wrs nearly always struggle. cleveland fans were on the verge of caling braylon a bust before the start of last season. JJ will come good. he does have something about him despite your protestations that its all pr hype. he had it. he kinda lost but tonight i saw it coming back more than ive seen it since early last season. i think hes gotten his wakeup call and is starting to heed it

dalemurphy
08-23-2008, 12:04 AM
The first quarter was brutul for three or four reasons:

1. Studdard is absolutely awful. It's actually amazing how good Schaub is that he was able to move the team with this dead weight loser in the game well into the 4th quarter.

2. Weaver is almost as bad as Studdard. How many times can a DE lose outside contain on a run play, especially since defending the run is his specialty.

3. Reeves, whose signing I was very supportive of, was awful. Clearly, Fletcher, Molden, Robinson, Roberson, and Faggins should all move ahead of him in the depth chart.

4. DT play. Okoye, TJ, and company were washed out, overpursued, and totally ineffective most of the game.


I'm not sure what went in to some of the decisions to start some of these players in preseason. However, I will lose total respect for this organization (which I have a lot of respect for) if they use Studdard, Weaver, Colvin, Reeves in substantive roles with much better options being cut or sitting on the bench.

stingray
08-23-2008, 12:04 AM
I agree on the defense. We looked a step slow. Amobi is gonna have to be the second guy this year after mario. He is simply going to have to step it up a notch or two..

Wolf
08-23-2008, 12:08 AM
I think that post deserves a slow clap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZWPrLbIy9k

or
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff32/evildrew81/scary%20stuff/Joker.gif

ToxicButt
08-23-2008, 12:12 AM
The good news . . .

Saw significnt improvement on the ZBS from week 2, and even within this game. Taylor/Slaton/Walker all performed pretty well, with Slaton impressing even more then in Week 2. Dallas has a stout front line. Slaton is both talented and an instinctive runner. Love the way he hides then bursts. Studdard sucked on pass protect, but keyed the 20 yard run by slaton.

Pass protection wasn't incredible, but was credible. Dallas is about the best defense we'll see; good prep for Pittsburgh.

Schaub's composure against a poor start and the pocket collapsing. Like his guttiness but worried about the number of hits he takes.

It's clear. Our offense is going to have to carry this team. It just might if the running game turns the corner.

Mario had consistent effort, made plays, pushed the pocket pretty well considering he's out there on his own. Opposing teams don't have to respect any of our other defensive players. Mario will have fewer than 10 sacks this year b/c of double teams if we don't get him help.


The Bad News . . .
The other D linemen are a COMPLETE FRIGGIN WASTE OF SPACE ON THIS PLANET. Rick Smith needs to do some magic and find some other journeymen to plug into this mess.

Greenwood is getting worse and worse.

Colvin showed zero. Kalu makes the team by default.

Any average offensive team will put up big numbers against us. Dallas could have put up 50.

The entire secondary looked like crap, except Bennet was just below average. (Molden better learn fast).

Jacoby Jones is going to cost us some games this year. I hope Kubiak sees that JJ still swings the damn ball because you know other teams are going to be like sharks in the water when he has it on special teams. I cannot beleive his technique continues to be impossibly bad. I almost wish he had fumbled to drive the point home. I don't want him cut -- not yet. He needs to be pushed to the brink and see how he responds.

New_Texans
08-23-2008, 12:20 AM
The first quarter was brutul for three or four reasons:

1. Studdard is absolutely awful. It's actually amazing how good Schaub is that he was able to move the team with this dead weight loser in the game well into the 4th quarter.

2. Weaver is almost as bad as Studdard. How many times can a DE lose outside contain on a run play, especially since defending the run is his specialty.

3. Reeves, whose signing I was very supportive of, was awful. Clearly, Fletcher, Molden, Robinson, Roberson, and Faggins should all move ahead of him in the depth chart.

4. DT play. Okoye, TJ, and company were washed out, overpursued, and totally ineffective most of the game.


I'm not sure what went in to some of the decisions to start some of these players in preseason. However, I will lose total respect for this organization (which I have a lot of respect for) if they use Studdard, Weaver, Colvin, Reeves in substantive roles with much better options being cut or sitting on the bench.

Amobi made some plays and so did Maddux when he got in (against some 2nd and 3rders of course)

Vinny
08-23-2008, 12:20 AM
at first glance I thought our guards were over matched on the first team...I thought our secondary looked downright awful with the first team...I think our DT's are not good (we are incredibly soft in the middle and that ain't DeMeco's fault) and the defense makes us look like the Arizona Cardinal team of the last decade...other than that it's all good.

PS how many friggin' times am I gonna see Weaver drop back into zone coverage? Has team just given up on the fact that he can't get to the QB?

TexansLucky13
08-23-2008, 12:24 AM
The good news . . .

Saw significnt improvement on the ZBS from week 2, and even within this game. Taylor/Slaton/Walker all performed pretty well, with Slaton impressing even more then in Week 2. Dallas has a stout front line. Slaton is both talented and an instinctive runner. Love the way he hides then bursts. Studdard sucked on pass protect, but keyed the 20 yard run by slaton.

Pass protection wasn't incredible, but was credible. Dallas is about the best defense we'll see; good prep for Pittsburgh.

Schaub's composure against a poor start and the pocket collapsing. Like his guttiness but worried about the number of hits he takes.

It's clear. Our offense is going to have to carry this team. It just might if the running game turns the corner.

Mario had consistent effort, made plays, pushed the pocket pretty well considering he's out there on his own. Opposing teams don't have to respect any of our other defensive players. Mario will have fewer than 10 sacks this year b/c of double teams if we don't get him help.


The Bad News . . .
The other D linemen are a COMPLETE FRIGGIN WASTE OF SPACE ON THIS PLANET. Rick Smith needs to do some magic and find some other journeymen to plug into this mess.

Greenwood is getting worse and worse.

Colvin showed zero. Kalu makes the team by default.

Any average offensive team will put up big numbers against us. Dallas could have put up 50.

The entire secondary looked like crap, except Bennet was just below average. (Molden better learn fast).

Jacoby Jones is going to cost us some games this year. I hope Kubiak sees that JJ still swings the damn ball because you know other teams are going to be like sharks in the water when he has it on special teams. I cannot beleive his technique continues to be impossibly bad. I almost wish he had fumbled to drive the point home. I don't want him cut -- not yet. He needs to be pushed to the brink and see how he responds.

I agree with most of your post... good stuff.

The bolded in particular is interesting. If we ever thought he was against the wall before, he is definitely there now. I do hope that Kubiak tells him to get busy or get gone, so that we can see him really work under pressure. I liked the guy a lot, but he just has to put it into overdrive now. This week needs to be the longest one of his career thus far.

Lucky
08-23-2008, 12:28 AM
how many friggin' times am I gonna see Weaver drop back into zone coverage? Has team just given up on the fact that he can't get to the QB?
Yes (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=979562&postcount=185). That's the only rational explanation.

Weaver is just dropping back in coverage. He has no chance on the pass rush.

Texans Horror
08-23-2008, 12:32 AM
I'm not too worried right now, mainly based on the idea that it's preseason. The Texans got beat up one side and down the other, but they looked shaky and off-tempo the entire game. Maybe it was the jitters of playing Dallas in Texas Stadium on national television, or maybe it was the early hit to Williams, but the whole team looked off balance. So in my mind they've had this experience and hopefully they will grow from it.

I agree Studdard looked awful, but the line looked bad as a unit. It got me thinking about how good the line should be in part because of the time spent together, and that made me realize that this is a line that has not been around each other very long. When Winston is the guy on the line with the longest Texans first-team time, you are going to struggle.

They've got two weeks to prepare for Pittsburgh, and a lot of work to do.

Maddict5
08-23-2008, 12:33 AM
you have to feel bad for mario. hes the only one on D (line especially) kicking ass and its really counting for nothing. he hasnt got sacks but is consistently the only guy to get near the qbs (despite the double teams hes presumably facing-havent watched him individually too much). made plenty of nice run stops (that result in a 12 yard completion the next play) and generally forcing plays that are saving our asses (the FF and the romo int). he getting NO HELP. just rewatched the highlights on nfl.com (internet DVR!) and the 1st team DT's were getting killed.

ive always said dallas has the best o-line in the nfl for the last two years though so im not going to get inconsolably down...

also another thing to remember is our D has played very good offences in all 3 games. dalllas and NO are both top 5 and denver is good too. we havent gotten any gimme game(v SF or vince and the titans!) to make them look good (which will be a good thing in the long run hopefully)

Vinny
08-23-2008, 12:37 AM
I agree Studdard looked awful, but the line looked bad as a unit. It got me thinking about how good the line should be in part because of the time spent together, and that made me realize that this is a line that has not been around each other very long. When Winston is the guy on the line with the longest Texans first-team time, you are going to struggle.

They've got two weeks to prepare for Pittsburgh, and a lot of work to do.
hey, a nice time for a Chester Pitts appreciation moment................ok, back to forgetting about how steady and dependable he is. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Norg
08-23-2008, 12:39 AM
well i havent seen the game yet but i seen the 1st quar and or D line didnt play great buy hear there was pressure on romo i dont think we ever touched him in the first but there where a few times where we where within inches of him and put pressure on him to get rid of the ball more quickly

Honoring Earl 34
08-23-2008, 12:42 AM
hey, a nice time for a Chester Pitts appreciation moment................ok, back to forgetting about how steady and dependable he is. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I think the only think wrong would be his names not Munchak , Mathews , Hannah , Allen , or Hutchinson .

New_Texans
08-23-2008, 12:44 AM
hey, a nice time for a Chester Pitts appreciation moment................ok, back to forgetting about how steady and dependable he is. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I was thinking that as I watched the game lol.

Texans Horror
08-23-2008, 12:44 AM
Don't forget the Wendy's ad. That thing's already getting on my nerves.

WWJD
08-23-2008, 12:46 AM
I'm sitting here watching a replay of the game and Marion Barber is a beast!

Really...it's just preseason..the Texans are miles ahead of where they were just a few short years ago. They HAVE a QB now that can spread the ball around. They have great receivers. They're working on getting that running game going with some quality backs.

They have defensive issues obviously but they have the great player all defenses need in Mario. You build from there.

Ryans is top flight.

This team is pretty darn good.

They'll work out their defensive backfield issues. Their best player is gone right now back there. Get him back and you'll see immediate improvement!

Big Lou
08-23-2008, 12:47 AM
If the starters had stayed in the whole game I think Dallas would have hung 40 on us with ease. We looked pathetic tonight, particularly on the defensive side. Here's what I came away with from this mess.

Matt Schaub started out horrible and then was able to actually pull himself together and play at a high level consistently until he left the game. At the start of the game he was all over the place with his accuracy and he just looked to me like his head hadn't arrived at the stadium yet. I don't know what was up with that but once he settled down he reaffirmed my feelings from last week. He's the guy we want pulling the trigger back there. Following his 3 of 11 start he went 12 of 16 with a few dropped balls in there. Sage looked pretty damned average too but taking into consideration the supporting cast he was working with (excluding David Anderson and Darius Walker) I'm going to have to say that I am pleased with our QB's.

Steve Slaton starts for me in week 1 against Pittsburgh. I just see him getting better faster than any of the other RB's. Chris Taylor finally showed us something and appears to be finally getting it together following his year off on IR. Darius Walker did what he always does which is grind out yards in an effective if unspectacular manner. We averaged better than 4 yards a carry tonight and while I'm still concerned with our RB's I'm not horrified at the prospect of going into the season with Slaton, Taylor, and Walker in that order. I've already cut Ahman Green in my mind and Chris Brown has given us absolutely nothing at this point. Does anyone know why he wasn't playing tonight? What part of his glass body isn't working today?

Our offensive line didn't impress me much but I have to say that we didn't allow a sack which is impressive. Schaub was rushed a few times but he didn't go down and this was one of the better defenses we'll see (although I feel like we didn't get their best effort for obvious reasons). Their run blocking got better as the game progressed and I feel like I see progress there. I think they look ok and appear to be improving weekly.

On defense I am very concerned. Our DL is a worthless thing that comes at a very high price. They get no push, ever. No QB I've seen so far in preseason has even remotely looked bothered by them. If we can't get a pass rush out of them or stop a running back (it seems like everybody runs all over the Texans doesn't it?) then we are going to suck incredibly this year. Maurice Jones-Drew and Fred Taylor are going to destroy us and Peyton Manning will carve us to pieces. We might even make Vince Young look like he understands the passing game before this season is over at the rate we're going.

We look weak and we look soft. We look confused. Our defensive philosophy is not working no matter what Richard Smith says. This man can't do this job and somebody needs a reality check over there ASAP before we spend the next season getting our heads handed to us.

Our linebackers are missing at least one more quality starter like DeMeco. We already have Diles who is our lunch-pail guy who we also needed. Now we need someone to replace Moron Greenwood. He's our Achilles heel back there. As long as he's on the field we aren't going to get the play out of our linebackers that we need.

The secondary is just a joke. Reeves is terrible, Bennett played pretty horribly tonight, and Petey is still very much "Petey". Demps looked like he didn't care for the first time this preseason. Without Dunta (and more importantly a pass rush) we are in deep poo.

Finally on Jacoby Jones I just think he's a waste of a roster spot. He's a below average WR with above average speed. He's a fast PR guy who slings the ball around like it's a loaf of bread. You can look at this man's face and tell that he's got the maturity level of a high school player. He's not ready for the NFL and may never be. I think he's just the result of the Texans desire to create a "marquee player" out of him and I wouldn't even have him making the team if Williams hadn't been hurt. Now we keep him but he won't make it out of camp next year. He was a gamble and that gamble went bust.

Next week I could care less what happens as long as we don't get anybody hurt.



I agree with the majority of what you said, and I'm pretty pissed at Jacoby Jones, but I'm not ready to give up on in just yet. The guy is still young. Let the coaches chew his ass for anothe year before we cut him.

Maddict5
08-23-2008, 12:51 AM
hey, a nice time for a Chester Pitts appreciation moment................ok, back to forgetting about how steady and dependable he is. Not that there is anything wrong with that.


wheres 3TP?:cowboy1:

dalemurphy
08-23-2008, 12:51 AM
hey, a nice time for a Chester Pitts appreciation moment................ok, back to forgetting about how steady and dependable he is. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I would like to take this time to apologize for any negative comment I've ever made about Chester Pitts and/or Fred Weary. In my ignorance, I didn't realize how bad that position could look until tonight- I discount the '02 and '05 season for reasons beyond understanding.


Also, Weaver in coverage at least 4 plays, limping after ball carriers pretty much legitimizes every call for Richard Smith's job... Unless this was a last tryout for him to see if he could make the sqaud. If Weaver doesn't get cut or buried on the bench by week one, something is seriously wrong with this organization which I LOVE and respect!

Honoring Earl 34
08-23-2008, 12:52 AM
OK ... what happened to Chris Brown ? Anybody else ready to go with the youth movement ?

dalemurphy
08-23-2008, 12:54 AM
OK ... what happened to Chris Brown ? Anybody else ready to go with the youth movement ?

sure, but we're going with 4 Hbs so he's likely going to make the roster along with Taylor, Slaton, and Green.

Wolf
08-23-2008, 12:54 AM
All I can say is tonights 1st half made it tough to stay on the wagon(sobriety wagon , I am already firmly planted on the Texan wagon)

Honoring Earl 34
08-23-2008, 12:57 AM
sure, but we're going with 4 Hbs so he's likely going to make the roster along with Taylor, Slaton, and Green.

I'd take Walker over Brown and Green . Note to the FO ... no more RBs who have a name that's a color .

On the same note Molden over Reeves , Adibi over Greenwood , Cochran over Weaver .

Vinny
08-23-2008, 12:57 AM
OK ... what happened to Chris Brown ? Anybody else ready to go with the youth movement ?
I think Brown was sharing a smoothie and a massage with Ahman Green tonight.

Honoring Earl 34
08-23-2008, 12:59 AM
I think Brown was sharing a smoothie and a massage with Ahman Green tonight.

A smoothie/ groin massage parlor .

Texans Horror
08-23-2008, 12:59 AM
Slaton and Taylor looked good tonight, but after last year when JJ came storming out of the gates in preseason, then started his downward spiral once the season began, I 'm just hesitant to say Taylor and Slaton (or anybody for that matter) are the fixes we've been hoping for. Let's see how they do in the first four weeks of the season. But for now, they looked pretty good.

Big Lou
08-23-2008, 01:01 AM
Lets just hope that once all the peices come together it makes us better. Heres what I hope is happening to make us better:

1. AJ will be utilized. Keep in mind he wasn't even used in the game, he's a game changer so hopefulle in the regular season he's kicking ass and taking names. He represents 9.5 points a game wether he scores them or someone else does.

2. Either the running backs are playing better or the line is getting better at the ZBS. (It look like the RB's were playing better because it looked hit or miss on the line to me, but I don't coach for a living.) The back ups look better than the depth chart starters.

3. We were plus in turn over category. (Thank God)

4. Special Teams Play is still above average.

5. QB's are playing at a high level. Schaub was rattled, but pulled it together. The WR's are studs. Kevin Walter is a bad ass.

Hopefully the whole is better than the sum of its parts!!!!!!! Thats my optimistic point of veiw!!!


Big Lou

LonerATO
08-23-2008, 02:36 AM
Throwing this out there but do you think we aren't playing up to our full potential on D during the preseason since we will not play any of these teams during the regular season. I know the Smith sucks but just maybe we aren't trying to show everything right now since its preseason. I know on the radio the Cowboys talked about unleashing their offense tonight and they said they where holding back during the other games. Hey just a thought.

Vinny
08-23-2008, 02:39 AM
Throwing this out there but do you think we aren't playing up to our full potential on D during the preseason since we will not play any of these teams during the regular season. I know the Smith sucks but just maybe we aren't trying to show everything right now since its preseason. I know on the radio the Cowboys talked about unleashing their offense tonight and they said they where holding back during the other games. Hey just a thought.the big difference is that the Cowboys flash dominance while in cruise control...we just flash poor tackling and soft coverage while we are coastin'.

LonerATO
08-23-2008, 02:48 AM
I am in complete agreement with you about the tackling tonight

Arky
08-23-2008, 05:45 AM
OK ... what happened to Chris Brown ? Anybody else ready to go with the youth movement ?

McClain reported (unoffically) that Chris Brown needed to have water drained from a knee....

I vote "yes" for the youth movement.

Malloy
08-23-2008, 06:24 AM
I'm just getting real tierd of the bend AND break defence we field these days :I

Thorn
08-23-2008, 07:53 AM
Next weeks game is a try out for the second stringers. We almost beat the Cowboys, and we won our first two games. Not bad, really, for pre-season. But I think we could do better.

I think our offense is good enough to sneak into the playoffs, but our defense is just not there yet.

nunusguy
08-23-2008, 09:17 AM
Remember the game between these 2 teams in preseason last year in Reliant ? It was also the 3rd game in the preseason schedule so like last night was the most representitive effort of regular season form and as I recall the Texans on both sides of the ball were very evenly matched, very competitive with the Cowboys. Last night, certainly our D vs. their O starters was anything but that, as there clearly was a significant difference in talent level. I dunno, how we account for the difference, if there is anyway to do so in preseason games ?
On the other hand, I think our depth is better than its ever been. In all of the preseason games including last night, our second & third string personnel was atleast as talented as the other teams roster at that level. And we of all teams know the importance of depth over the long & gruelling 16 game NFL schedule.

rmartin65
08-23-2008, 09:39 AM
Herv, you are hard to please.
We are 2-1, and coulda been 3-0 easily.

Wins will be what it takes to get us to the play-offs!

Didn't the Texans go 3-1 in the preseason before the 2-14 season?

Pre-season wins dont mean jack

Tedc
08-23-2008, 09:49 AM
Next weeks game is a try out for the second stringers. We almost beat the Cowboys, and we won our first two games. Not bad, really, for pre-season. But I think we could do better.

I think our offense is good enough to sneak into the playoffs, but our defense is just not there yet.

My sentiments exactly! I love the positive thinking.

CloakNNNdagger
08-23-2008, 09:50 AM
Steve Slaton starts for me in week 1 against Pittsburgh. I just see him getting better faster than any of the other RB's. Chris Taylor finally showed us something and appears to be finally getting it together following his year off on IR. Darius Walker did what he always does which is grind out yards in an effective if unspectacular manner. We averaged better than 4 yards a carry tonight and while I'm still concerned with our RB's I'm not horrified at the prospect of going into the season with Slaton, Taylor, and Walker in that order. I've already cut Ahman Green in my mind and Chris Brown has given us absolutely nothing at this point. Does anyone know why he wasn't playing tonight? What part of his glass body isn't working today?



Brown developed back spasms again around 2 days ago........and they progressed rather than resolved up until game time. Bad sign for one position that is expected to "carry the team on his back," at least part of the time.

gary
08-23-2008, 09:59 AM
JJ keeps on worrying me he should have caught that ball in the endzone.

DBCooper
08-23-2008, 10:18 AM
We got man-handled by a bigger, tougher team.

Our defense has got to stop the run. The Steelers will run all over us on Sept. 7th.

I think I am beginning to fall into the Reeves sucks camp.


On a happy note, how bout that Slaton?

Duane Brown seemed to hold his own as well.

76Texan
08-23-2008, 10:19 AM
I'm just getting real tierd of the bend AND break defence we field these days :I

You really shouldn't watch the Texans unless you have a pace-maker or few cases of beer on hand, LOL LOL!

76Texan
08-23-2008, 10:21 AM
Next weeks game is a try out for the second stringers. We almost beat the Cowboys, and we won our first two games. Not bad, really, for pre-season. But I think we could do better.

I think our offense is good enough to sneak into the playoffs, but our defense is just not there yet.

You're open for employment again already, Thorn? http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

b0ng
08-23-2008, 10:22 AM
While the bad news is certainly true, I think there are a few things that we can attribute to the defense not getting any pass rush. One of the big things is I don't see too many exotic or off the wall blitzes (Think about the blitz that DeMeco did against the Titans last year that went up the gut and just destroyed Kerry Collins). Yes most of our linebackers are pretty slow in that reguard, but I don't think you want teams gameplanning us because we showed them our entire defense in the preseason.

Next up, yes Richard Smith sucks I will totally agree with that. Jacques Reeves looks to be a really bad signing that, for some unexplainable reason, will get trotted out with the first team with what appears to be more talent behind him on the depth chart. The safety play is mediocre right now and it doesn't look like they are much into covering receivers at all.

The Jones thing I think is premature and a lot of people will probably eat their words. The one preseason game where he doesn't fumble the ball and everybody is jumping his ass. I think he does have a problem getting seperation (unless there's some pass interference going on) on most DB's, but I think he's got enough tools to make catches when the balls are thrown to him. I think of him as a 3rd round pick that was going to take a few seasons to develop all the way. This is season 2.

What really bothers me the most is that it appears that there is plenty of talent on the depth chart but the coaches for whatever reason refuse to acknowledge it and instead want to trot out whomever the highest paid player is (Weaver, Reeves, Green/Brown, etc etc). That to me seems to point to an inability to admit a mistake.

76Texan
08-23-2008, 10:41 AM
We got man-handled by a bigger, tougher team.

Our defense has got to stop the run. The Steelers will run all over us on Sept. 7th.

I think I am beginning to fall into the Reeves sucks camp.


On a happy note, how bout that Slaton?

Duane Brown seemed to hold his own as well.
We had 28 running plays to the girls' 27.
Both team averaged 4.1 per play in the ground game.

Their O-line are veterans with an average of 8 yr in service.
Ours' = 2 yr

Their front sevens = 7
Our front sevens = 5

We are young, and our fans are impatient, LOL!

76Texan
08-23-2008, 10:44 AM
Didn't the Texans go 3-1 in the preseason before the 2-14 season?

Pre-season wins dont mean jackThis "loss" doesn't mean jack either!

Pre-season whinings, on the hand, can be as rampant as the last day of the earth! http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Thorn
08-23-2008, 10:57 AM
This "loss" doesn't mean jack either!

Pre-season whinings, on the hand, can be as rampant as the last day of the earth! http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif


but....but.....if we can't whine and *****, it'll be no fun here!

Brando
08-23-2008, 11:01 AM
Didn't the Texans go 3-1 in the preseason before the 2-14 season?

Pre-season wins dont mean jack


We went 1-3 that year and looked horrible in the preseason and that's what I kept saying it's just preseason. Some fans could tell the disaster that was going to be the 2005 season. Tonight our defense looked horrible. That being said it's not like it was the Dolphins(from last year) offense out there. Dallas has a very good offense and sometimes you have to give the offense a little credit. I'm not saying I'm not dissapointed in the defense because I am. Not only was the coverage bad but so was the tackling.

Malloy
08-23-2008, 11:03 AM
You really shouldn't watch the Texans unless you have a pace-maker or few cases of beer on hand, LOL LOL!

Beer... check! :)

Malloy
08-23-2008, 11:05 AM
but....but.....if we can't whine and *****, it'll be no fun here!

We would also have to come up with rational reasons for drinking way too many beers during the season :)

76Texan
08-23-2008, 11:07 AM
but....but.....if we can't whine and *****, it'll be no fun here!

but...but....you been havin' too much here Thorn!
So what are you complaining about? LOL, LOL!

Buffi2
08-23-2008, 11:09 AM
You really shouldn't watch the Texans unless you have a pace-maker or few cases of beer on hand, LOL LOL!


And a bottle of anti-depressants. :shades:

76Texan
08-23-2008, 11:09 AM
We would also have to come up with rational reasons for drinking way too many beers during the season :)

My simple reason is that all these complaints make me depressed.
And that leads to ---------------> :drunk:

Brando
08-23-2008, 11:12 AM
I got a blood pressure headache last night. I need to save those for when it really counts.:mcnugget:

Thorn
08-23-2008, 11:12 AM
We would also have to come up with rational reasons for drinking way too many beers during the season :)

My rationale for beer is that it helps avoid reality and kills good breath. Thatís important when you strive for quality as a dirty old man. :evilb:

The Pencil Neck
08-23-2008, 01:01 PM
While the bad news is certainly true, I think there are a few things that we can attribute to the defense not getting any pass rush. One of the big things is I don't see too many exotic or off the wall blitzes (Think about the blitz that DeMeco did against the Titans last year that went up the gut and just destroyed Kerry Collins). Yes most of our linebackers are pretty slow in that reguard, but I don't think you want teams gameplanning us because we showed them our entire defense in the preseason.


The thing is that we DID bring our blitzes last night. We've been blitzing all preseason and the blitzes have not been putting pressure on the QB. Everyone's been picked up. Zone blitzes, Demeco, Zac, Morlon, up the middle, with the stunt, overloading an area... doesn't matter, they're not getting to the QB. (I didn't notice any DB's blitzing.)

IIRC, we brought the house 2-3 times... and they all got picked up.

Something is very wrong with that.

ESAD2-14
08-23-2008, 01:21 PM
We look weak and we look soft. We look confused. Our defensive philosophy is not working no matter what Richard Smith says. This man can't do this job and somebody needs a reality check over there ASAP before we spend the next season getting our heads handed to us.

That pretty much sums it up. Richard Smith is not the man for the job. Last year I was beginning to think this; but never really came around to accepting that line of thought until now. Smith's defense is not motivated nor does it look disciplined. Someone on the defense needs to step up and take the leadership role seriously. I keep on hearing that Demeco is that guy, if he is he needs to be more vocal and start ripping his guys if necessary. I know his style is to lead by example but not everyone responds to that, sometimes it takes a good ol' fashioned a** chewing to get people to respond.

Either way the Dallas game needs to serve as a serious reality check to our Defense and to Richard Smith. What ever is ailing them needs to be fixed quick, fast, and in a hurry. I believe the Texans have the personnel to have a very good defense for a very long time. If they continually display the level of suckatude that they did last night, its going to be a very long season.

I'm not going to list all the things that I saw wrong, because most all of you saw the same crappy performance I saw. I hate to say it but our D looked like crap. This can not be blamed on a "vanilla" scheme anymore, for the past 3 years we have seen this same scheme, IT IS NOT WORKING! Kubiak needs to make a list of goals for the defense, hand it over to Richard Smith since he can not seem to do it himself, and give him a deadline on when those goals should be met (I say week 2 at the latest). If not, bye bye Richard.

I generally do not like to point fingers at 1 individual for the problems of a whole unit, but in this case I will. We have had the same uninspired look about our defense since this guy has been the Defensive Coordinator. He has had his time to get it right and has yet to fix it. I hope the Texans find someone who will.

76Texan
08-23-2008, 02:24 PM
The thing is that we DID bring our blitzes last night. We've been blitzing all preseason and the blitzes have not been putting pressure on the QB. Everyone's been picked up. Zone blitzes, Demeco, Zac, Morlon, up the middle, with the stunt, overloading an area... doesn't matter, they're not getting to the QB. (I didn't notice any DB's blitzing.)

IIRC, we brought the house 2-3 times... and they all got picked up.

Something is very wrong with that.
There's something wrong with the Broncos' D, the Aints', the Girls.
None of them could get a sack on us.

At least (in this pre-season) we got one from Bulman (and one that was nullified by penalty yesterday). Looks like there will be a bunch of DCs getting their pink slip in the next few days! http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Polo
08-23-2008, 02:27 PM
There's something wrong with the Broncos' D, the Aints', the Girls.
None of them could get a sack on us.

At least (in this pre-season) we got one from Bulman (and one that was nullified by penalty yesterday). Looks like there will be a bunch of DCs getting their pink slip in the next few days! http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

EXACTLY!:goodpost:

tsip
08-23-2008, 02:46 PM
OK, is it the coaching or the players or a combo of the two? All we know for sure is that we aren't going to be 'play off' bound with results we've seen so far this pre-season.

Our team has always been weak in the game plan area and even weaker in making 'game' time adjustments to those game plans. Saying this, what can we do? How successful can we be with no pass rush/no run or pass defense and we're not even talking about offensive short comings.

Look at all the HIGH draft choices on the DL that has not translated into success. Of all aspects of our team, our DL should be stellar but it's not-- poor player selection/poor coaching/poor scheming,etc.

We've seen potential from the offensive side of the ball this preseason but virtually nothing from the defense.

76Texan
08-23-2008, 02:53 PM
OK, is it the coaching or the players or a combo of the two? All we know for sure is that we aren't going to be 'play off' bound with results we've seen so far this pre-season.

Our team has always been weak in the game plan area and even weaker in making 'game' time adjustments to those game plans. Saying this, what can we do? How successful can we be with no pass rush/no run or pass defense and we're not even talking about offensive short comings.

Look at all the HIGH draft choices on the DL that has not translated into success. Of all aspects of our team, our DL should be stellar but it's not-- poor player selection/poor coaching/poor scheming,etc.

We've seen potential from the offensive side of the ball this preseason but virtually nothing from the defense.
I had a post somewhere that says if you go a stats site like pro-football reference for example, you will see that many teams have more higher draft choices on D than us.

El cabezon
08-23-2008, 03:00 PM
There's something wrong with the Broncos' D, the Aints', the Girls.
None of them could get a sack on us.

At least (in this pre-season) we got one from Bulman (and one that was nullified by penalty yesterday). Looks like there will be a bunch of DCs getting their pink slip in the next few days! http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Actually the Broncos got a sack on us, one of their defensive players leveled Sage.

dtran04
08-23-2008, 03:02 PM
Sacks are way overrated. It's about pressures and hurries. Sacks are typically a fluke or the result of horrible QB play. Most will get rid of the ball.

barrett
08-23-2008, 03:09 PM
... Smith's defense is not motivated nor does it look disciplined. Someone on the defense needs to step up and take the leadership role seriously. I keep on hearing that Demeco is that guy, if he is he needs to be more vocal and start ripping his guys if necessary. I know his style is to lead by example but not everyone responds to that, sometimes it takes a good ol' fashioned a** chewing to get people to respond. ...

I was reading recently that Ryans has become much more vocal and hasn't hesitated to call people out when they make a mistake. I think what you're complaining about needing to happenis happening.

76Texan
08-23-2008, 03:27 PM
Actually the Broncos got a sack on us, one of their defensive players leveled Sage.My bad! Actually they had two on us!

One when neither Sage nor Taylor nor JJ realized that they were bringing the corner blitz.

Another one is when Boyd didn't realize that they brought a delayed LB blitz on top of the original 6 rushers.

In theory, they shouldn't happen.

And preparing the players for certain situation is more the responsible of the position coaches, IMO.

The Pencil Neck
08-23-2008, 03:31 PM
There's something wrong with the Broncos' D, the Aints', the Girls.
None of them could get a sack on us.

At least (in this pre-season) we got one from Bulman (and one that was nullified by penalty yesterday). Looks like there will be a bunch of DCs getting their pink slip in the next few days! http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

The Cowboys have 3 sacks in the first 3 games. The Broncos have 5 in 3 games. The Saints have 5 sacks in 2 games.

We have 1 sack in 3 games. We're giving up 223 yards per game through the air in the preseason and our opposing QB rating is 90.6. (Of course, the teams with worse opposing QB ratings are the Giants, Saints, Chiefs, Browns, Broncos, Vikings, Cardinals, Steelers, and Cowboys.) But still... that's not good.

Believe it or not we're ranked 12th against the run right now. But some teams have only played 2 games.

But ultimately, it's not about what's happening this preseason. The animosity to Richard Smith didn't just magically appear because we're not getting any pressure on the QB this preseason. It's because we haven't been getting any pressure on the QB since he's been here. Our defense hasn't been good the past 2 seasons and so far this preseason, it doesn't look like that's going to change. I hope this is a case of preseason vanilla-itis but I'm afraid it isn't.

And I don't think it has anything to do with our talent level. I think we've got the players to play defense. I just don't think the players are being put onto the field or into the right positions or are being asked to do the right things.

But that's just me.

:texflag:

76Texan
08-23-2008, 03:49 PM
The Cowboys have 3 sacks in the first 3 games. The Broncos have 5 in 3 games. The Saints have 5 sacks in 2 games.

We have 1 sack in 3 games. We're giving up 223 yards per game through the air in the preseason and our opposing QB rating is 90.6. (Of course, the teams with worse opposing QB ratings are the Giants, Saints, Chiefs, Browns, Broncos, Vikings, Cardinals, Steelers, and Cowboys.) But still... that's not good.

Believe it or not we're ranked 12th against the run right now. But some teams have only played 2 games.

But ultimately, it's not about what's happening this preseason. The animosity to Richard Smith didn't just magically appear because we're not getting any pressure on the QB this preseason. It's because we haven't been getting any pressure on the QB since he's been here. Our defense hasn't been good the past 2 seasons and so far this preseason, it doesn't look like that's going to change. I hope this is a case of preseason vanilla-itis but I'm afraid it isn't.

And I don't think it has anything to do with our talent level. I think we've got the players to play defense. I just don't think the players are being put onto the field or into the right positions or are being asked to do the right things.

But that's just me.

:texflag:
So, we are better than them in the pass D.
And we outgained them on the ground in each game we played.

So how does that makes our D worse than theirs?

Shouldn't their DCs got fired before Richard Smith?

(I was only half-serious there!)

But at any rate, that's the way we're playing so far on D under RS.
And I have already "predicted" that we will start bring more guys this year (but not the house, just a bit more than last year).

And the players have to adjust to that, so they need time .

Also, I believe that Gruden's defensive philosophy has been rush-4-base for a long time. And their D has been known to be quite stout for years.

Pantherstang84
08-23-2008, 03:57 PM
The Cowboys have 3 sacks in the first 3 games. The Broncos have 5 in 3 games. The Saints have 5 sacks in 2 games.

We have 1 sack in 3 games. We're giving up 223 yards per game through the air in the preseason and our opposing QB rating is 90.6. (Of course, the teams with worse opposing QB ratings are the Giants, Saints, Chiefs, Browns, Broncos, Vikings, Cardinals, Steelers, and Cowboys.) But still... that's not good.

Believe it or not we're ranked 12th against the run right now. But some teams have only played 2 games.

But ultimately, it's not about what's happening this preseason. The animosity to Richard Smith didn't just magically appear because we're not getting any pressure on the QB this preseason. It's because we haven't been getting any pressure on the QB since he's been here. Our defense hasn't been good the past 2 seasons and so far this preseason, it doesn't look like that's going to change. I hope this is a case of preseason vanilla-itis but I'm afraid it isn't.

And I don't think it has anything to do with our talent level. I think we've got the players to play defense. I just don't think the players are being put onto the field or into the right positions or are being asked to do the right things.

But that's just me.

:texflag:

Zing!

chicken vs. egg

Carr vs. o-line

and the latest conundrum...

DC vs. players

DC gets my vote with a little player blame thrown in.

cuppacoffee
08-23-2008, 04:02 PM
you have to feel bad for mario. hes the only one on D (line especially) kicking ass and its really counting for nothing. he hasnt got sacks but is consistently the only guy to get near the qbs (despite the double teams hes presumably facing-havent watched him individually too much). made plenty of nice run stops (that result in a 12 yard completion the next play) and generally forcing plays that are saving our asses (the FF and the romo int). he getting NO HELP. just rewatched the highlights on nfl.com (internet DVR!) and the 1st team DT's were getting killed.

ive always said dallas has the best o-line in the nfl for the last two years though so im not going to get inconsolably down...

also another thing to remember is our D has played very good offences in all 3games. dalllas and NO are both top 5 and denver is good too. we havent gotten any gimme game(v SF or vince and the titans!) to make them look good (which will be a good thing in the long run hopefully)


I guess I need to find a way to record the games and rewatch them.

I could have sworn that I saw Mario being man-handled by one Olineman quite often, most of the time actually.

He is the only #90 on the team isn't he?

I purposefully delayed posting to make sure I wasn't just venting or knee jerking. If I were a betting man, as some on this site seem to be, I would take the under.

SF or the Titans?.....don't know about SF .. but I didn't see anything to make me believe we can beat the Titans yet.

On the bright side...it should make Smith and Kubiaks job a lot easier. Just cut every third player on the roster. I think that will leave about 53 to suit up. I saw no standouts... possibly a couple of maybes.

On second thought....I really don't care to watch it again...:thud:

I think there is more to the Andre Johnson story than we are being told.


:coffee:

ESAD2-14
08-23-2008, 04:22 PM
I was reading recently that Ryans has become much more vocal and hasn't hesitated to call people out when they make a mistake. I think what you're complaining about needing to happenis happening.

I am not focusing on Demeco solely, I just brought him up because he seems to be the guy that everyone looks to on the defense. Hell he is my favorite player on the team, I have his jersey and was pretty darn excited when I found out we had actually drafted him in 06'. I wouldn't chalk it up to complaining as much as I would like to see someone step up and light a fire under our defense.

Now what I said about Richard Smith is complaining, no doubt about that. More then anything I was disappointed at seeing the same mistakes and weak defensive football we all have been watching over the past 3 years. Guess I just needed to get it off my chest like so many others. I hope that last nights abysmal performance was due to pre-season vanilla scheming and that when the real season starts Richard Smith shows us what he has been holding back. However, in the previous seasons, I have wanted that to happen as well and it never has.

CloakNNNdagger
08-23-2008, 07:36 PM
This is how I've seen JJ carry the ball on numerous occasions........the point of the ball at right angles end on into the chest. Where is the coaching? Last year's photo........still this year's technique.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07Ysdv40n380x/610x.jpg

tsip
08-23-2008, 07:55 PM
'I think there is more to the Andre Johnson story than we are being told.'

Cup, you are not the only one that is puzzled by all the mixed messages sent out about players status on the field- one person (Kubiak) says Studdard and Mario are having 'super' camps but posters don't see it in the results column. Too, the fans are getting a 'mixed' bag of signals regarding injuries.

Here's hoping we aren't bombarded and blind sided in the next 2 wks by the 'old' adage, "I know you think you understand what I said-but I don't think you realize that what I said is not what I meant..."

CloakNNNdagger
08-23-2008, 08:27 PM
'I think there is more to the Andre Johnson story than we are being told.'

Cup, you are not the only one that is puzzled by all the mixed messages sent out about players status on the field- one person (Kubiak) says Studdard and Mario are having 'super' camps but posters don't see it in the results column. Too, the fans are getting a 'mixed' bag of signals regarding injuries.

Here's hoping we aren't bombarded and blind sided in the next 2 wks by the 'old' adage, "I know you think you understand what I said-but I don't think you realize that what I said is not what I meant..."

We must beware of the half truth. We may have gotten hold of the wrong half. :gun:

Jackie Chiles
08-23-2008, 10:54 PM
It could be worse, at least we didn't get flat shut out like the Bengals (0-13 loss to Saints) or the Chiefs (0-24 vs. the Dolphins). And the Redskins just took a hay maker of a preseason loss (if there is such a thing) losing 47-3 against the Panthers. Ouch.

The Pencil Neck
08-24-2008, 01:50 AM
It could be worse, at least we didn't get flat shut out like the Bengals (0-13 loss to Saints) or the Chiefs (0-24 vs. the Dolphins). And the Redskins just took a hay maker of a preseason loss (if there is such a thing) losing 47-3 against the Panthers. Ouch.

AND, the Redskins allowed 2 rushers to gain over 100 yards and average more than 10 yards per carry.

Just.

Wow.

And I thought our D needed some work.

Mailman
08-24-2008, 02:27 AM
I guess I need to find a way to record the games and rewatch them.



Yes, you do. If you thought Mario Williams was being regularly manhandled by one guy, you weren't watching the same game that I watched. I watched it live, and I've reviewed significant portions of the game on dvr, paying close attention to both the offensive and defensive line play. Mario was the only guy getting regular pressure on Romo. He often beat his man but got no help from the interior, and Romo simply stepped up in the pocket to deliver the ball.

As for AJ, the part of the story that you're not being told is this: IT'S PRESEASON.

Do you really think they'd play him on the turf at Texas Stadium if he wasn't physically ready? And what did he do last year in the preseason? Nothing, really. Oh sure, he caught four passes and scored a TD against the Cowboys last year and didn't register a stat in last night's game, but you really wouldn't be worried if Schaub hadn't started out so cold. When AJ was in the game, Schaub was off his. AJ had a long TD if Schaub had simply led him with the pass.

I'm not concerned about AJ, Schaub, or pass protection. I'm not even that concerned about the running game because I'm confident this offense will move the ball. Andre Johnson will again prove to be an offensive force in the NFL.

CloakNNNdagger
08-24-2008, 08:56 AM
Yes, you do. If you thought Mario Williams was being regularly manhandled by one guy, you weren't watching the same game that I watched. I watched it live, and I've reviewed significant portions of the game on dvr, paying close attention to both the offensive and defensive line play. Mario was the only guy getting regular pressure on Romo. He often beat his man but got no help from the interior, and Romo simply stepped up in the pocket to deliver the ball.

As for AJ, the part of the story that you're not being told is this: IT'S PRESEASON.

Do you really think they'd play him on the turf at Texas Stadium if he wasn't physically ready? And what did he do last year in the preseason? Nothing, really. Oh sure, he caught four passes and scored a TD against the Cowboys last year and didn't register a stat in last night's game, but you really wouldn't be worried if Schaub hadn't started out so cold. When AJ was in the game, Schaub was off his. AJ had a long TD if Schaub had simply led him with the pass.


I'm not concerned about AJ, Schaub, or pass protection. I'm not even that concerned about the running game because I'm confident this offense will move the ball. Andre Johnson will again prove to be an offensive force in the NFL.


You might want to quickly read through the MERRIMAN THREAD. (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52861) You can basically equate his to AJ's injury. I would be careful to take anything for granted.

You might also want to quickly read through the 3rd and 4th pages of the intial thread posted on AJ's injury last year. (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52861) Keep in mind that AJ tried to "work through" and play on his injured knee for a while before "giving it up." Now, refer to and compare yesterday's writeup on MERRIMAN'S INJURY (http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/), keeping AJ in mind.

cuppacoffee
08-24-2008, 07:06 PM
Yes, you do. If you thought Mario Williams was being regularly manhandled by one guy, you weren't watching the same game that I watched. I watched it live, and I've reviewed significant portions of the game on dvr, paying close attention to both the offensive and defensive line play. Mario was the only guy getting regular pressure on Romo. He often beat his man but got no help from the interior, and Romo simply stepped up in the pocket to deliver the ball.

As for AJ, the part of the story that you're not being told is this: IT'S PRESEASON.

Do you really think they'd play him on the turf at Texas Stadium if he wasn't physically ready? And what did he do last year in the preseason? Nothing, really. Oh sure, he caught four passes and scored a TD against the Cowboys last year and didn't register a stat in last night's game, but you really wouldn't be worried if Schaub hadn't started out so cold. When AJ was in the game, Schaub was off his. AJ had a long TD if Schaub had simply led him with the pass.

I'm not concerned about AJ, Schaub, or pass protection. I'm not even that concerned about the running game because I'm confident this offense will move the ball. Andre Johnson will again prove to be an offensive force in the NFL.


I will try to watch the replay when it airs on NFL network. I will get the time in the game and the players jersey numbers the several times I thought that Mario was being handled. :slap:

I could be wrong..it won't be the first... or... last time.

Taking into consideration the past history of our teams reports on injuries, lets just say I am skeptical that they are being forthcoming about AJs' injury.

During last nights Saints game the Saints announcers referred to the Texans "potent offense"..:texflag:


:coffee:

The Pencil Neck
08-24-2008, 07:19 PM
I will try to watch the replay when it airs on NFL network.

Nationally televised game.

If my understanding is correct, that translates to no re-air on NFLN.

CloakNNNdagger
08-24-2008, 07:23 PM
Nationally televised game.

If my understanding is correct, that translates to no re-air on NFLN.

You are correct.

Qman
08-25-2008, 10:17 AM
My impression is that the offense has seen everyone of our blitz's on film ten times. No one is surprised and no one is beating their man. Come to think of it I remember Okam getting penetration on one play a couple of weeks ago near the goal line but that is it.

Now for this week you don't want to show anything but for if can't get any pressure for the regular season opener then Rick Smith should be gone.

Lucky
08-25-2008, 11:22 AM
....then Rick Smith should be gone.
Richard Smith. Rick is the GM. :brickwall:

dalemurphy
08-25-2008, 11:26 AM
My impression is that the offense has seen everyone of our blitz's on film ten times. No one is surprised and no one is beating their man. Come to think of it I remember Okam getting penetration on one play a couple of weeks ago near the goal line but that is it.

Now for this week you don't want to show anything but for if can't get any pressure for the regular season opener then Rick Smith should be gone.

Yeah, it's concerning. However, after having a couple of days to think about it- and, to watch teams like Indianapolis, New England, Jacksonville, Tennessee all really struggle- maybe we shouldn't be freaking out just yet.

cuppacoffee
08-25-2008, 11:53 AM
Nationally televised game.

If my understanding is correct, that translates to no re-air on NFLN.

You are correct.


Dahhmm...breaks my heart that I won't get to watch the first half of that debacle in dullass again...:rolleyes:

If we are indeed hiding our real defensive strategy..:d:..we're doing a dahm good job of it.

And I still think I saw Mario being handled like a red headed stepchild several (as in too often) times.

And Travis....get it together or you will lose the last fan you have. :D


:coffee:

HOU-TEX
08-25-2008, 12:10 PM
Dahhmm...breaks my heart that I won't get to watch the first half of that debacle in dullass again...:rolleyes:

If we are indeed hiding our real defensive strategy..:d:..we're doing a dahm good job of it.

And I still think I saw Mario being handled like a red headed stepchild several (as in too often) times.

And Travis....get it together or you will lose the last fan you have. :D


:coffee:

Yeah, we seem to have the same vanilla defense every pre-season. The only problem is.....we seem to see the same defensive scheme on the field on opening day too. :gun:

IMO, our defense will not be much different than last years.

I sure hope the offense can stay healthy because we're going to have to score alot of points to win.

BigBull17
08-25-2008, 12:40 PM
The first quarter was brutul for three or four reasons:

1. Studdard is absolutely awful. It's actually amazing how good Schaub is that he was able to move the team with this dead weight loser in the game well into the 4th quarter.

2. Weaver is almost as bad as Studdard. How many times can a DE lose outside contain on a run play, especially since defending the run is his specialty.

3. Reeves, whose signing I was very supportive of, was awful. Clearly, Fletcher, Molden, Robinson, Roberson, and Faggins should all move ahead of him in the depth chart.

4. DT play. Okoye, TJ, and company were washed out, overpursued, and totally ineffective most of the game.


I'm not sure what went in to some of the decisions to start some of these players in preseason. However, I will lose total respect for this organization (which I have a lot of respect for) if they use Studdard, Weaver, Colvin, Reeves in substantive roles with much better options being cut or sitting on the bench.

Weaver is way worse than Studdard. I thought thee line did pretty well when Dallas did blitz. If you drop your DE into a weak zone almost every play, hes a waste. Okoye was lazy and pretty worthless. Makes you watch a guy like Patrick Willis and be very sad. The secondary was pretty awful, but the scheme didnt help those guys much. Alot of the time, your pass rush was Mario, TJ and Okoye. TJ isnt a great rusher. Okoye was awful and lazy, and Weaver was in a zone. Mario had decent push, but there isnt much a one man pass rush can do.
But, lets not go all negative, this game showed some good stuff. Schaub has good chemistry with all the WR except AJ, which is understandable since they have had so little time together. They will come around. Slaton ran with speed AND power, fighting for extra yards like people said he couldnt. If he isnt the opening day starter, we are making a mistake. He and Taylor are our duo. Brown played like the anchor LT we have always needed. He held his own against Ware, which is no easy task.
All in all, there is plenty of good with the bad. We are what we are.

76Texan
08-25-2008, 04:09 PM
Dahhmm...breaks my heart that I won't get to watch the first half of that debacle in dullass again...:rolleyes:

If we are indeed hiding our real defensive strategy..:d:..we're doing a dahm good job of it.

And I still think I saw Mario being handled like a red headed stepchild several (as in too often) times.

And Travis....get it together or you will lose the last fan you have. :D


:coffee:You might be thinking of Colvin #58

76Texan
08-25-2008, 04:27 PM
The Cowboys offense was just functioning very well because, surprise surprise, they do have a good offense.

Their line, Gurode comes first to mind then Flozell, made some nice blocks in space on our LBs, including Ryans.
So did their TEs and the FB, the WRs, the RB.

Except for Martellus (who didn't play every down), their whole offense had played together for a while (Leonard Davis - one yr), if I'm not mistaken.

We had Colvin in there a lot of times, and Diles, and Reeves is also new.
And neither Bennett nor Demps played all 16 games for us last yr.

It's pretty much the same on our O vs their D.
We have more new guys in there.

Briesel, how many games did he played for us last year?
Myers? Brown? Studdard? White? (Some people may think that it's all Studdard, but White was in there during the first half - as in 2st qtr - as well).

And Taylor? Anderson? Slaton?

cuppacoffee
08-25-2008, 07:07 PM
You might be thinking of Colvin #58


Whoever it was, it was an exercise in futility...:gun:

Serves me right for being too tight to spring for DishNetworks dvd or whatever they call that thing that you can pause and replay stuff.


:coffee:

Hervoyel
08-25-2008, 09:51 PM
I'm looking for the silver lining now and I've come to the conclusion that this butt whipping was for the best. The Cowboys stunk it up the previous two weeks and so they were due to go off on somebody. At the same time we've been getting away with sloppy play and winning. Hopefully now the starters get to spend two weeks thinking of how bad they looked against the Cowboys and they go into Pittsburgh with a sense of purpose.

Texan Asylum
08-25-2008, 10:07 PM
I'm looking for the silver lining now and I've come to the conclusion that this butt whipping was for the best. The Cowboys stunk it up the previous two weeks and so they were due to go off on somebody. At the same time we've been getting away with sloppy play and winning. Hopefully now the starters get to spend two weeks thinking of how bad they looked against the Cowboys and they go into Pittsburgh with a sense of purpose.

To remind them, perhaps a weekly dusting of where the Govenor's Cup use to sit is in order. :bat: