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eriadoc
08-22-2008, 12:03 PM
According to one well-respected blogger, there's some fishy stuff going on with Manning's recovery, and a second surgery that wasn't disclosed. When asked about it, Dungy neither confirmed nor denied.

I talked to several people in the NFL yesterday who know things and they assure me that Peyton Manning’s knee is a huge concern for the Colts. Apparently Manning had to go through another procedure on his knee to clean things out after having his bursa sac removed last month. What is the most concerning is not the second operation (which the Colts are denying), but that they cannot control the swelling in Manning’s knee and any physical movement causes MORE swelling. Once he returns to the game, gets hit, has to place a load on the knee, and drive the ball, there can be swelling. All I know is that there is MUCH more here than meets the eye. Manning has the trainer come over to HIS home for rehab and is rarely seen. Now, I have been with some big-time quarterbacks in my career like Joe Montana and Rich Gannon and never have they rehabbed from home. I thought this was not an issue and that Manning would be back. However, after talking to my friends in the league, it’s clear that this is a HUGE concern short- and long-term for the Colts.

Link to Blog (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/08/national-football-post-diner-talk-2/)

So ... just a blog entry so far, but worth watching.

BTW, the blog author probably has a few connections and decent info. Here's his bio:

Michael Lombardi

* 23 years as a high level executive in the NFL
* 12 years in the NFL Playoffs
* 5 Conference Championship games
* 2 Super Bowls: Win (1984) Loss (2003)
* 26 years of professionally evaluating football players (college & pro)
* Host, CBS Sports “NFL Pregame Show”
* Has worked with the San Francisco 49ers, Cleveland Browns, Oakland Raiders, Philadelphia Eagles, and the Denver Broncos
* Talent and writer for Sports Illustrated, NFL Network and SI.com
* Author, MichaelLombardi.com, a blog becoming well‐known in insider circles

I wonder if Kubiak knows him?

nunusguy
08-22-2008, 12:06 PM
I know this isn't good sportsmanship, but I'm still not too upset that the injury
bug which has wrecked hovoc on our roster in recent years has bitten one of our divison rivals.

eriadoc
08-22-2008, 12:11 PM
I know this isn't good sportsmanship, but I'm still not too upset that the injury
bug which has wrecked hovoc on our roster in recent years has bitten one of our divison rivals.

Don't tell anyone, but I'm with ya :splits:

Besides, according to TexansChick, Manning has a deal with the devil anyway :D

texasguy346
08-22-2008, 12:18 PM
There's also some rumblings about Shawne Merriman's knee injury being more serious than the Chargers have suggested. I believe there was a blog entry or rumor about him considering surgery.

Specnatz
08-22-2008, 12:23 PM
Don't tell anyone, but I'm with ya :splits:

Besides, according to TexansChick, Manning has a deal with the devil anyway :D

That deal only covered him winning a superbowl. Now that he has won one it is time to pay the piper. :ouch:

Double Barrel
08-22-2008, 12:29 PM
I would never revel in a player's injury...but...uhhh....I can't say that I'd be too upset to play a Manning-less Colts.

:piano: I'm just sayin'...

GlassHalfFull
08-22-2008, 01:14 PM
I read somewhere, can't remember where - but there are good odds it was in one of TexanChick's blogs - that the bursa sac provides the lubrication to the knee. When it is removed, you end up with bone on bone contact and arthritis ensues. This does not sound good for the longevity of Peyton's career.

HJam72
08-22-2008, 01:16 PM
I want to be very PC here, but:

Can I start calling him a bust now? :photos:

Lucky
08-22-2008, 01:26 PM
BTW, the blog author probably has a few connections and decent info. Here's his bio:
Lombardi is a younger version of Charley Casserly. He's burnt so many bridges with NFL teams, he's turned to the media. He's also on SI.com & did a lot of draft stuff on NFL Network. Prior to getting the boot from Al Davis, Forbes listed Lombardi as the worst GM in pro sports. But as you say, he has connections and that's what we're looking for in a rumor mill.

Everyone is penciling in the Colts as a playoff team. Understandable, as Indy has gone to the playoffs 8 of the past 9 seasons. But, it's not just Manning who is in doubt for this season. Freeney is coming off a serious foot injury. Sanders has a chronic shoulder injury. Harrison is coming off an injury marred season, entering his 13th year in the league.

While Manning is a must, these other players in question are also needed. And playing one of the toughest schedules in football, inside the leagues toughest division, the Colts are no longer a playoff lock. If they do make it in, it will be by having to play to win all the way to the last week. Not putting it in cruise control for the last 2 or 3 games.

Indy is the King of the AFC South, going 24-8 in the division and winning very title since 2003. But, they've never been more vulnerable as now. Every team in the division has been tooled to beat the Colts. Every team in the division is more physical than the Colts. Every team in the division is hungrier than the Colts. In 2008, the King will be dead. Who will wear the crown?

HJam72
08-22-2008, 01:29 PM
Lombardi is a younger version of Charley Casserly. He's burnt so many bridges with NFL teams, he's turned to the media. He's also on SI.com & did a lot of draft stuff on NFL Network. Prior to getting the boot from Al Davis, Forbes listed Lombardi as the worst GM in pro sports. But as you say, he has connections and that's what we're looking for in a rumor mill.

Everyone is penciling in the Colts as a playoff team. Understandable, as Indy has gone to the playoffs 8 of the past 9 seasons. But, it's not just Manning who is in doubt for this season. Freeney is coming off a serious foot injury. Sanders has a chronic shoulder injury. Harrison is coming off an injury marred season, entering his 13th year in the league.

While Manning is a must, these other players in question are also needed. And playing one of the toughest schedules in football, inside the leagues toughest division, the Colts are no longer a playoff lock. If they do make it in, it will be by having to play to win all the way to the last week. Not putting it in cruise control for the last 2 or 3 games.

Indy is the King of the AFC South, going 24-8 in the division and winning very title since 2003. But, they've never been more vulnerable as now. Every team in the division has been tooled to beat the Colts. Every team in the division is more physical than the Colts. Every team in the division is hungrier than the Colts. In 2008, the King will be dead. Who will wear the crown?

I don't know, but VY will get drunk with a bunch of guys and wear the rest of the outfit.

El Tejano
08-22-2008, 02:03 PM
Besides, according to TexansChick, Manning has a deal with the devil anyway :D
As funny as it sounds, I've always thought the same thing.

I think everyone knows my stance on this is the link below:

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El Tejano
08-22-2008, 02:10 PM
Okay so I've given it some thought. You know how the NFL is already giving you an early indication they want a Manning vs. Manning SuperBowl? My thinking is that whatever team takes out Peyton for the year will have to pay that price and that price may come at a playoffs cost.

Blazing Arrow
08-22-2008, 03:04 PM
Someone that knows photoshop needs to make an 'official' Colts walker.

HJam72
08-22-2008, 03:05 PM
Okay so I've given it some thought. You know how the NFL is already giving you an early indication they want a Manning vs. Manning SuperBowl? My thinking is that whatever team takes out Peyton for the year will have to pay that price and that price may come at a playoffs cost.

Don't worry. Haynesworth will do it. :)

thunderkyss
08-22-2008, 03:08 PM
I read somewhere, can't remember where - but there are good odds it was in one of TexanChick's blogs - that the bursa sac provides the lubrication to the knee. When it is removed, you end up with bone on bone contact and arthritis ensues. This does not sound good for the longevity of Peyton's career.

It would eventually end up bone to bone, as the bone wears away the cartildge(sp). It shouldn't be bone to bone right now, and something else is causing the swelling...

As a side note, this is not the way I want to win the division. I want to beat the best at their best..


But hey, you gotta play the hand you're dealt right??

gtexan02
08-22-2008, 03:12 PM
Peyton is tough as nails. He won't let it hurt their chances, Im afraid

WWJD
08-22-2008, 03:34 PM
Peyton has been a GREAT HOF player. He'll be missed when he retires whether that's due to injury or age..who knows that but he's one of those players years from now you'll be glad you saw playing.

Hooston Texan
08-22-2008, 03:40 PM
Even if Harrison, Sanders and Freeney are healthy, a Peyton-less Colt outfit looks an awful lot like a 5-11 team. I don't think a single player in the league--Brady included--means more to his team than Manning does.

If Peyton indeed made a deal with the devil, then Lucifer was awfully nice to throw in as a bonus Eli ruining the Patsies' perfect season the very next season. It's not like the Prince of Darkness to give out such freebies. Maybe it was a package deal.

Hervoyel
08-22-2008, 03:54 PM
It would eventually end up bone to bone, as the bone wears away the cartildge(sp). It shouldn't be bone to bone right now, and something else is causing the swelling...

As a side note, this is not the way I want to win the division. I want to beat the best at their best..


But hey, you gotta play the hand you're dealt right??

We've played for the last few years with just insane injuries. I'm afraid "the best" has rarely if ever faced us at our best so I'm not going to give them even a tiny bit of pity and I'll take the division any way I can get it.

Hervoyel
08-22-2008, 03:54 PM
Even if Harrison, Sanders and Freeney are healthy, a Peyton-less Colt outfit looks an awful lot like a 5-11 team. I don't think a single player in the league--Brady included--means more to his team than Manning does.

If Peyton indeed made a deal with the devil, then Lucifer was awfully nice to throw in as a bonus Eli ruining the Patsies' perfect season the very next season. It's not like the Prince of Darkness to give out such freebies. Maybe it was a package deal.

He didn't. He did it to taunt Peyton who had to sit there and watch his little brother do what he couldn't.

CloakNNNdagger
08-22-2008, 04:00 PM
It would eventually end up bone to bone, as the bone wears away the cartildge(sp). It shouldn't be bone to bone right now, and something else is causing the swelling...

As a side note, this is not the way I want to win the division. I want to beat the best at their best..


But hey, you gotta play the hand you're dealt right??

You might to check this interchange {in an older thread 3 weeks ago} where I responded to TC on the implications of Manning's injury (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=959767&postcount=38)...........it looks as though his history is following the unfortunate fork-in-the-road course.

Wolf
08-22-2008, 04:01 PM
Even if Harrison, Sanders and Freeney are healthy, a Peyton-less Colt outfit looks an awful lot like a 5-11 team. I don't think a single player in the league--Brady included--means more to his team than Manning does.

If Peyton indeed made a deal with the devil, then Lucifer was awfully nice to throw in as a bonus Eli ruining the Patsies' perfect season the very next season. It's not like the Prince of Darkness to give out such freebies. Maybe it was a package deal.
i'd say brady to the Patriots

steelbtexan
08-22-2008, 04:15 PM
We've played for the last few years with just insane injuries. I'm afraid "the best" has rarely if ever faced us at our best so I'm not going to give them even a tiny bit of pity and I'll take the division any way I can get it.

Agreed

I don't remember the Texans ever being @ full strength. I think we have been near the top pf the league in injuries the last 2 years.

If injuries happen to our division breathren & it helps us make the playoffs then so be it.

thunderkyss
08-22-2008, 04:19 PM
You might to check this interchange {in an older thread 3 weeks ago} where I responded to TC on the implications of Manning's injury (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=959767&postcount=38)...........it looks as though his history is following the unfortunate fork-in-the-road course.

ooh... good stuff, thanks.

Wolf
08-22-2008, 04:25 PM
In a perfect world, I would want the texans to beat every team w/teams at full strength.

but with that said, It would stink beating a Manningless Colts team, but I would take it in a heart beat because the Texans had to keep on, keeping on and the league doesn't stop, just because of injuries