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Porky
08-21-2008, 09:02 AM
Saw this little snapshot over at the Texans site -

Kubiak will have Colvin rush the passer from nickel, as well as N.D. Kalu and Chaun Thompson, allowing coaches to compare all three outside speed rushers. link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4537)

It got me thinking. All three of these guys can't possibly make it. Do two make it? One? I'm just not sure.

Going in I thought Colvin was a lock, but he hasn't shown me anything at all. Right now, I put him 3rd on my list out of those above.

Thompson has been hurt off and on, and his play seemed spotty when I happened to notice it, but he is fast, young and can contribute on ST and still has upside.

Kalu is older than Methusala, has no upside at all, and can't contribute on ST, but OTOH, he seems to be very motivated and has rushed the passer better than the other two thus far.

Further complicating matters is that they are three totally different players. Kalu being the seasoned end, Thompson the LB coming off the edge on passing downs with many more LB responsibilities, and Colvin trying to make a switch from a 3/4 OLB, to a pass rushing end.

Tomorrow will be absouletely vital to these three guys and should tell the tale on who stays and goes. I'm not really sure how to handicap this race, but my guess right now is that Colvin is cut, and we keep the other two. I think that will shock the casual fan, but that is my thought at the moment.

Opinions?

TheRealJoker
08-21-2008, 09:10 AM
I sure do wish we'd have kept that 5th round pick instead of trading for Moulds and drafted DeMeco's old teammate Mark Anderson right about now...

Hindsight is 20/20 though.

Porky
08-21-2008, 09:16 AM
I sure do wish we'd have kept that 5th round pick instead of trading for Moulds and drafted DeMeco's old teammate Mark Anderson right about now...

Hindsight is 20/20 though.

Wasn't he a 4th rounder?

HOU-TEX
08-21-2008, 09:18 AM
I don't know Porky. I will say, there has been a few times I've noticed Colvin coming pretty close to getting to the QB. On one particular play I think he would've smoked the QB, but was held and forced a penalty. IIRC, everytime I've seen him almost get there he was running an inside stunt.

He most definitely has yet to produce as advertised, but I think he'll be on the team one way or another.

I like Kalu, but he doesn't sound very optimistic in interviews. He seems to make alot of comments about these games being a tryout for other teams (yes, I know they are) in case it doesn't work out here.

Buffi2
08-21-2008, 09:22 AM
It got me thinking. All three of these guys can't possibly make it. Do two make it? One? I'm just not sure.

Going in I thought Colvin was a lock, but he hasn't shown me anything at all. Right now, I put him 3rd on my list out of those above.

Thompson has been hurt off and on, and his play seemed spotty when I happened to notice it, but he is fast, young and can contribute on ST and still has upside.

Kalu is older than Methusala, has no upside at all, and can't contribute on ST, but OTOH, he seems to be very motivated and has rushed the passer better than the other two thus far.
Further complicating matters is that they are three totally different players. Kalu being the seasoned end, Thompson the LB coming off the edge on passing downs with many more LB responsibilities, and Colvin trying to make a switch from a 3/4 OLB, to a pass rushing end.

Opinions?

As I happen to really like Kalu on a personal level, I can't even contemplate cutting him - old as he is - I think he has one more year. He has played better than Colvin so far and is certainly a great mentor for the defense....which is an upside, in a way.

I agree that this game is uber important for these guys as I think the decision on who to cut will be made after watching the film.

My personal, albeit emotional, opinion is that Kubiak will keep ND. I agree that Colvin is gone unless he has a stellar game.

El Tejano
08-21-2008, 09:45 AM
I wouldn't mind keeping Kalu for the reasons stated above, has shown more pass rush. The only problem with him is your back at square one again next year, and if he gets hurt well we don't really have anything after that.

Texans_Chick
08-21-2008, 10:02 AM
I like the rusher we will have in 2009.

The pass rush issue is a part of a larger issue. Why should we expect it to be any better than last year when most of the parts of the team are the same?

Everybody that the Texans have on the other side of Mario haven't shown that they can do it or that they still have it. And the Texans still have the issues in the secondary. And other than Ryans, the linebacking group isn't anything to write home about.

Our defense is a couple of really good guys mixed with some promising young guys and a bunch of make do. But you might say, "Hey, there are all sorts of teams that depend on young players to make a difference." But those would be teams with defensive coordinators who have a track record of knowing what they are doing.

Do you ever see how the Texans defense is lining up before the snap and say WTH? And not in a good way. "Let's all crowd the middle of the line, play slapfest with offensive linemen, and then watch the ball bounce outside where nobody is."

To think that the Texans are going to have much more pass rush, you have to bet on a huge improvement of Okoye, that a healthy Weaver actually means something, that a collection of old guys and never wuzes can manufacture a pass rush and that the secondary can mature very quickly.

The more plausible scenario is that the Texans offense just has to get so much better to keep the defense off of the field. Kubiak sort of acknowledges the presser this week (I don't think the whole quote found the newspaper article):

(on if he will use the pass to set up the run even though he likes to run more) Well, I cant say that too loud around (assistant head coach) Alex (Gibbs), but I think we have the ability to throw the ball really well. Weve got some receivers that are playing really well. I think our quarterback has a lot of confidence right now, both of our quarterbacks do. We could very well be maybe a little different before its all said and done. We are going to stay committed to the run because we think it helps the whole football team, not just worried about (helping) the offense, but Im worried about helping the defense and the football team in general.

Specnatz
08-21-2008, 10:18 AM
I honestly see Kalu making the team this year and a fight between Thompson and Colvin. I do not see them keeping all three especially with all the rave reviews that Cochran is getting.

Porky
08-21-2008, 10:19 AM
I don't disagree with a thing you said there TC, but at this point my focus was simply on who stays and who goes out of that trio. Any thoughts?

Texans_Chick
08-21-2008, 10:33 AM
I don't disagree with a thing you said there TC, but at this point my focus was simply on who stays and who goes out of that trio. Any thoughts?

I don't know. To me, it's like asking me whether I'd rather be shot or stabbed.

Porky
08-21-2008, 10:40 AM
I don't know. To me, it's like asking me whether I'd rather be shot or stabbed.

So, I was thinking. Would you rather be shot or stabbed? :thinking:

CloakNNNdagger
08-21-2008, 10:43 AM
I like the rusher we will have in 2009.

The pass rush issue is a part of a larger issue. Why should we expect it to be any better than last year when most of the parts of the team are the same?

Everybody that the Texans have on the other side of Mario haven't shown that they can do it or that they still have it. And the Texans still have the issues in the secondary. And other than Ryans, the linebacking group isn't anything to write home about.

Our defense is a couple of really good guys mixed with some promising young guys and a bunch of make do. But you might say, "Hey, there are all sorts of teams that depend on young players to make a difference." But those would be teams with defensive coordinators who have a track record of knowing what they are doing.

Do you ever see how the Texans defense is lining up before the snap and say WTH? And not in a good way. "Let's all crowd the middle of the line, play slapfest with offensive linemen, and then watch the ball bounce outside where nobody is."

To think that the Texans are going to have much more pass rush, you have to bet on a huge improvement of Okoye, that a healthy Weaver actually means something, that a collection of old guys and never wuzes can manufacture a pass rush and that the secondary can mature very quickly.

The more plausible scenario is that the Texans offense just has to get so much better to keep the defense off of the field. Kubiak sort of acknowledges the presser this week (I don't think the whole quote found the newspaper article):


I see what you're saying. And, I too would like to see a little more spread in the DL. But then I wonder if that is why we are seeing any semblance of relative success in defending the run (up the middle). The angles change, maybe better for access to the QB, but maybe worse for access to the RB. If the DL spreads, there will be more expected of the second line players. With the level of the DL (and our second line personel) play at this point, we may be trading off one thing for another........taking it "up the gut," for taking it "up the SSS.":thinking:

thunderkyss
08-21-2008, 10:56 AM
TC, your first post was dead on....

But, do you think having Ray Rhodes is going to help/change anything?? I know he's just the secondary coach, but if you've got him, wouldn't you pick his brain in other aspects of the defensive scheme??

I mean, I would.

Goldensilence
08-21-2008, 11:19 AM
TC, your first post was dead on....

But, do you think having Ray Rhodes is going to help/change anything?? I know he's just the secondary coach, but if you've got him, wouldn't you pick his brain in other aspects of the defensive scheme??

I mean, I would.

You would think so. Much as I really love the addition of Ray Rhodes to the staff and what he brings. I get the feeling until he is released, fired,however you want to put it. This defense will be handicapped/handcuffed by Richard Smith at the helm.

76Texan
08-21-2008, 11:24 AM
... and Colvin trying to make a switch from a 3/4 OLB, to a pass rushing end.

Porky, Colvin had played DE for the Bears, and he also lined up at DE plenty for the Pats.

I have no idea who will get cut. All 3 might make the team ???

Polo
08-21-2008, 11:42 AM
I just find it hard to believe we won any games at all last yr. with such a terrible secondary, inept D-line, dissapearing linebackers, and a wack ass D-coordinator....




I think Thompson might get cut.

thunderkyss
08-21-2008, 11:51 AM
I just find it hard to believe we won any games at all last yr. with such a terrible secondary, inept D-line, dissapearing linebackers, and a wack ass D-coordinator....




I think Thompson might get cut.

We were 12th in points per game. Our Special teams wasn't as good as it has been in the past, but they weren't too bad.

Lucky
08-21-2008, 11:56 AM
Kalu is older than Methusala, has no upside at all, and can't contribute on ST, but OTOH, he seems to be very motivated and has rushed the passer better than the other two thus far.
Good thread, Porky.

First, I don't think Kalu equates to Colvin and Thompson. Kalu can rush the passer from several different positions, as well as backup both DE spots in the base defense. I think Kalu competes with Bulman for a roster spot.

Colvin & Thompson are similar in that they are pass rushing specialists who can backup at LB. But, I think the Texans are thin enough at LB that keeping both is justified. I wouldn't mind some redundancy at the RDE nickel spot considering Colvin's injury history. Still, Colvin is the best pass rusher, so I'd like to see him get the opportunity in the regular season.

nunusguy
08-21-2008, 12:18 PM
I like the rusher we will have in 2009.
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Our defense is a couple of really good guys mixed with some promising young guys and a bunch of make do. But you might say, "Hey, there are all sorts of teams that depend on young players to make a difference." But those would be teams with defensive coordinators who have a track record of knowing what they are doing.

That's what I'm saying, unless D-Rob's comeback is a disappointment then
the need at weakside DE will have to compete with the need at CB. But fortunatly we will have a 1 & 2 next year for the first time in 3 years, so we
should get a lot of help in the 2009 Draft (if not FA).
But we've still got some big gaps in our D, and I for one am toning down
my expectations for a playoff appearance this year.

ObsiWan
08-21-2008, 01:07 PM
I like the rusher we will have in 2009.

The pass rush issue is a part of a larger issue. Why should we expect it to be any better than last year when most of the parts of the team are the same?

Everybody that the Texans have on the other side of Mario haven't shown that they can do it or that they still have it. And the Texans still have the issues in the secondary. And other than Ryans, the linebacking group isn't anything to write home about.

Our defense is a couple of really good guys mixed with some promising young guys and a bunch of make do. But you might say, "Hey, there are all sorts of teams that depend on young players to make a difference." But those would be teams with defensive coordinators who have a track record of knowing what they are doing.

Do you ever see how the Texans defense is lining up before the snap and say WTH? And not in a good way. "Let's all crowd the middle of the line, play slapfest with offensive linemen, and then watch the ball bounce outside where nobody is."

To think that the Texans are going to have much more pass rush, you have to bet on a huge improvement of Okoye, that a healthy Weaver actually means something, that a collection of old guys and never wuzes can manufacture a pass rush and that the secondary can mature very quickly.

The more plausible scenario is that the Texans offense just has to get so much better to keep the defense off of the field. Kubiak sort of acknowledges the presser this week (I don't think the whole quote found the newspaper article):

There's another difference too... those other teams have solid veteran players to teach the younguns ins & outs of the defensive scheme.

Our rookie DE and Mike LB had to be the defensive leaders that Weaver and (bless his heart) Greenwood should have been. What does it say when your defensive team leaders are the youngest guys on the team?

I thought Von Hutchins and Danny Clark had the potential to be defensive leaders - along with Dunta - but alas....

Maybe one day we'll get to the place the Colts and Pats are in where young guys come in and contribute, not have to carry, the team. When Mario, DeMeco, Fred, and Amobi get another year or two under their belts they'll be schooling the youngsters of 2010 and beyond...
...and we actually have a real defensive coordinator who has an actual defensive scheme that doesn't look amazingly like the rookie-level Madden base 4-3.

Texans_Chick
08-21-2008, 03:37 PM
TC, your first post was dead on....

But, do you think having Ray Rhodes is going to help/change anything?? I know he's just the secondary coach, but if you've got him, wouldn't you pick his brain in other aspects of the defensive scheme??

I mean, I would.

Weaver when he was on 1560 am said that Rhodes has simplied the defensive line calls. That what they are doing is similar, but he cleaned it up and made it easier to do. What this entails, I have no idea. I'd put the link here because I only heard it in passing, but 1560 podcast stuff isn't working well right now.

Given that, I am guessing that Rhodes has an influence beyond "assistant DB coach." I've been told by a number of people that titles for the Texans are very loose--that the coaches are very collaborative.

I've been on the look out for Rhodes' influence--either in a good way or in a too many cooks spoil the soup way. To early to say.

Generally speaking though, I am worried any time the solution to a situation is "well we are going to coach him up." Whether it is Rhodes having a big impact on the defense, or coaching up Reeves, or whatever. Gibbs has the resume of being able to coach up people, even when they aren't necessarily great fits (i.e. Atlanta).

Hervoyel
08-21-2008, 04:02 PM
I don't know. To me, it's like asking me whether I'd rather be shot or stabbed.

Since there are three of them to pick from don't rule out being struck in the head with a blunt object.

Honoring Earl 34
08-21-2008, 04:08 PM
I would keep Thompson because he's still young and could possibly be here when the young guys really hit there stride .

The pass rush is kinda like the OL of a couple of years ago . It seems that no matter who we draft or pickup ... it does'nt work so well . So does this mean our guys are overated or is it a bad scheme .

76Texan
08-21-2008, 04:11 PM
I like the rusher we will have in 2009.

The pass rush issue is a part of a larger issue. Why should we expect it to be any better than last year when most of the parts of the team are the same?

Everybody that the Texans have on the other side of Mario haven't shown that they can do it or that they still have it. And the Texans still have the issues in the secondary. And other than Ryans, the linebacking group isn't anything to write home about.

Our defense is a couple of really good guys mixed with some promising young guys and a bunch of make do. But you might say, "Hey, there are all sorts of teams that depend on young players to make a difference." But those would be teams with defensive coordinators who have a track record of knowing what they are doing.

Do you ever see how the Texans defense is lining up before the snap and say WTH? And not in a good way. "Let's all crowd the middle of the line, play slapfest with offensive linemen, and then watch the ball bounce outside where nobody is."

To think that the Texans are going to have much more pass rush, you have to bet on a huge improvement of Okoye, that a healthy Weaver actually means something, that a collection of old guys and never wuzes can manufacture a pass rush and that the secondary can mature very quickly.

The more plausible scenario is that the Texans offense just has to get so much better to keep the defense off of the field. Kubiak sort of acknowledges the presser this week (I don't think the whole quote found the newspaper article):Sorry TC, I think I will have to disagree with you to a certain degree here.

So far in pre-season, I've already seen good things from the whole rotation of the front four. At least one of these guys will contribute besides the players we had from last year: Okam, Colvin, and perhaps Bulman or Robinson or Nadings.

And the LB corp should be vastly improved with Diles, Bentley, Thompson, Adibi, and perhaps Coley or Moffitt.

Safety play is adequate.

The DBs will most likely drag us down in the early part of the season.

It will be a diffcult cut to 53, that's for sure!

Texans_Chick
08-21-2008, 04:17 PM
Sorry TC, I think I will have to disagree with you to a certain degree here.

So far in pre-season, I've already seen good things from the whole rotation of the front four. At least one of these guys will contribute besides the players we had from last year: Okam, Colvin, and perhaps Bulman or Robinson or Nadings.

And the LB corp should be vastly improved with Diles, Bentley, Thompson, Adibi, and perhaps Coley or Moffitt.

Safety play is adequate.

The DBs will most likely drag us down in the early part of the season.

It will be a diffcult cut to 53, that's for sure!


I've seen the same ol same ol. The only thing worse than the pass rush is the run defense. Greenwood has been Greenwood. The younguns at LB looked interesting but enough to make a big difference? And even if the pass rush was stellar, it doesn't look like they are going to have much help from the secondary unless there is a miracle in development.

Jacoby Jones is thankful that the defense was so bad so that he couldn't goof up any more punts, because the other team didn't have to punt.

It's the preseason. But so far the defense looks like blurgh.

Texans_Chick
08-21-2008, 04:19 PM
Since there are three of them to pick from don't rule out being struck in the head with a blunt object.

Well, there IS that.

Sigh.

Honoring Earl 34
08-21-2008, 04:21 PM
Jacoby Jones is thankful that the defense was so bad so that he couldn't goof up any more punts, because the other team didn't have to punt.



Well ... that explains it . Jacoby knows a New Orleans voodoo priestess and she hexed the defense until Jacoby can hang on to the ball . :chickendance:

tsip
08-21-2008, 04:44 PM
With Colvin, I think we have to remember part of his success was a result of playing on a Super Bowl team....good players everywhere--and, too, some of the best coaches in the NFL. To me, they are at their best schemming and 'during' game adjustments.

IMO, our success this year is going to depend upon something Kubiak preaches about every year and that is putting each player in his 'strength' comfort zone. Right now, we have a handful of proven players and a lot of players with degreeing amounts of potential. This is where we'll find out how good our coaches are...

76Texan
08-21-2008, 04:51 PM
I've seen the same ol same ol. The only thing worse than the pass rush is the run defense. Greenwood has been Greenwood. The younguns at LB looked interesting but enough to make a big difference? And even if the pass rush was stellar, it doesn't look like they are going to have much help from the secondary unless there is a miracle in development.

Jacoby Jones is thankful that the defense was so bad so that he couldn't goof up any more punts, because the other team didn't have to punt.

It's the preseason. But so far the defense looks like blurgh.We allowed 123 yds rushing to the Broncos and 87 yds to the Saints.

In the Broncos game, if you subtract 24 yd from 2 laterals, and 19 yd from an outside zone run by Alridge (a CB's responsibility in this case, I won't name names), that would be like 78 yd rushing.

hadaad
08-21-2008, 05:01 PM
To be fair, yes, I didn't see all of the NO game but what I did see, I liked the run defense. The outside contain was a little shaky against Bush but we held our ground pretty well.

I'm scared of other teams passing against us, though. That's for sure.

Lucky
08-21-2008, 05:01 PM
I've seen the same ol same ol. The only thing worse than the pass rush is the run defense.
Huh? Take away Cutlers TD scramble (it was a passing play), and the Texans starting defense has allowed 52 yards on 15 carries (3.5 ypc). They haven't been challenged by a great runner, yet. But, I don't see how they can be depicted as bad from these performances.

Just as Mario took a lot of unnecessary shots in last year's "0 0 0 0" thread, the defense (particularly certain players) are taking some unfair criticism. For those who are concerned about the pass rush, notice Matt Schaub isn't seeing much pressure, as well. Sure, the O-line has improved over the years. But, I don't see Matt completing over 85% of his passes with a 140+ QB rating over the course of the season. The Texans starters have gotten away with a little bit more offensive holding than they probably will in the regular season.

So have the opponents' offensive lines. I saw the Saints tackle two Texans pass rushers...on a 5 yard out. No flags. I'm not saying Roger Goodell has asked referees to protect starting QBs in the preseason. Directly. I'm just saying we may be making too much out of what we're seeing from a couple of practice games.

76Texan
08-21-2008, 05:24 PM
[QUOTE=Lucky;978464]Huh? Take away Cutlers TD scramble (it was a passing play), and the Texans starting defense has allowed 52 yards on 15 carries (3.5 ypc). They haven't been challenged by a great runner, yet. But, I don't see how they can be depicted as bad from these performances.

QUOTE]Yeah, I was about to get to that one, too!

Colvin went wide and deep on the LT.
Okoye went inside the LG.
That left a huge hole for Cutler to scramble toward.
Greenwood was left in no-man land, he surely did hesitate.

Somebody did not get the play correctly here, it looks like Greenwood, but we can't be surely sure!

Malloy
08-21-2008, 05:42 PM
For those who are concerned about the pass rush, notice Matt Schaub isn't seeing much pressure, as well. Sure, the O-line has improved over the years. But, I don't see Matt completing over 85% of his passes with a 140+ QB rating over the course of the season.


Also I'm thinking pre-season vanilla. Granted our track record is less that flattering when it comes to rushing the passer, but possible advances in our rush might be somewhat blurred by said vanilla.

I know that our starters 'should' get as much as three quarters against Dallas, but are we going to open up the playbook, or ride the vanilla-train all the way through the pre-season ?

thunderkyss
08-21-2008, 06:41 PM
Huh? Take away Cutlers TD scramble (it was a passing play), and the Texans starting defense has allowed 52 yards on 15 carries (3.5 ypc). They haven't been challenged by a great runner, yet. But, I don't see how they can be depicted as bad from these performances.

Just as Mario took a lot of unnecessary shots in last year's "0 0 0 0" thread, the defense (particularly certain players) are taking some unfair criticism. For those who are concerned about the pass rush, notice Matt Schaub isn't seeing much pressure, as well. Sure, the O-line has improved over the years. But, I don't see Matt completing over 85% of his passes with a 140+ QB rating over the course of the season. The Texans starters have gotten away with a little bit more offensive holding than they probably will in the regular season.

So have the opponents' offensive lines. I saw the Saints tackle two Texans pass rushers...on a 5 yard out. No flags. I'm not saying Roger Goodell has asked referees to protect starting QBs in the preseason. Directly. I'm just saying we may be making too much out of what we're seeing from a couple of practice games.

Pretty good post.... you've got some good points in there. But I'm just a dumb fan, and I guess I don't know what I'm looking at.

If you were the coach, surely there are some goods & some bads you take away from this game, watch the film with the team, talk about what was going on, and correct any opportunities for improvement.

What would you point at to say, "There, we're doing the right thing there, and need to continue doing that." about our pass rush??

beerlover
08-21-2008, 06:43 PM
Saw this little snapshot over at the Texans site -

Kubiak will have Colvin rush the passer from nickel, as well as N.D. Kalu and Chaun Thompson, allowing coaches to compare all three outside speed rushers. link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4537)

It got me thinking. All three of these guys can't possibly make it. Do two make it? One? I'm just not sure.

Going in I thought Colvin was a lock, but he hasn't shown me anything at all. Right now, I put him 3rd on my list out of those above.

Thompson has been hurt off and on, and his play seemed spotty when I happened to notice it, but he is fast, young and can contribute on ST and still has upside.

Kalu is older than Methusala, has no upside at all, and can't contribute on ST, but OTOH, he seems to be very motivated and has rushed the passer better than the other two thus far.

Further complicating matters is that they are three totally different players. Kalu being the seasoned end, Thompson the LB coming off the edge on passing downs with many more LB responsibilities, and Colvin trying to make a switch from a 3/4 OLB, to a pass rushing end.

Tomorrow will be absouletely vital to these three guys and should tell the tale on who stays and goes. I'm not really sure how to handicap this race, but my guess right now is that Colvin is cut, and we keep the other two. I think that will shock the casual fan, but that is my thought at the moment.

Opinions?

Had to address the original question from its source. Too many variables which makes it tough, like Kalu & leadership he brings but he will never be much more than he already is with declining skill & injury prone. this may be unfair to Colvin but he might be the OLB of a well used RB (see Ahman Green) just how much laterial movement & healthy games are left in the tank. Thompson is the most intriqueing prospect with upside & low tread life. If the Texans build for the future & know they need to address the edge rush next offseason via the draft or free agency then Thompson might just get the nod, roll the dice & let the chips fall where they may :specnatz:

Polo
08-21-2008, 06:45 PM
Have we gotten better since last yr., personnel wise ?

I'd say yes...

Coach wise?

I'd say yes again...

We managed to have our best season to date last yr. despite all of our teams weaknesses, injuries, and inept coaching...

Maybe we'll be o.k ?

Dancerdog
08-22-2008, 08:41 AM
If the Texan's coaching staff is loosely organized and everybody has a say in this coaching by committee, then I see a light at the end of the tunnel.

Damn, I wish Ray Rhodes was our defensive coordinator. He's a proven commodity.

Qman
08-22-2008, 08:52 AM
I haven't watch a lot of other team's preseason games- are they getting a good rush on the quarterback?

Texans_Chick
08-22-2008, 08:56 AM
Huh? Take away Cutlers TD scramble (it was a passing play), and the Texans starting defense has allowed 52 yards on 15 carries (3.5 ypc). They haven't been challenged by a great runner, yet. But, I don't see how they can be depicted as bad from these performances.

Just as Mario took a lot of unnecessary shots in last year's "0 0 0 0" thread, the defense (particularly certain players) are taking some unfair criticism. For those who are concerned about the pass rush, notice Matt Schaub isn't seeing much pressure, as well. Sure, the O-line has improved over the years. But, I don't see Matt completing over 85% of his passes with a 140+ QB rating over the course of the season. The Texans starters have gotten away with a little bit more offensive holding than they probably will in the regular season.

So have the opponents' offensive lines. I saw the Saints tackle two Texans pass rushers...on a 5 yard out. No flags. I'm not saying Roger Goodell has asked referees to protect starting QBs in the preseason. Directly. I'm just saying we may be making too much out of what we're seeing from a couple of practice games.

It's just preseason.

I'm not basing what I see on just preseason. I'm looking at last year, and look at what I've seen so far this year, and am seeing a team that can't force the other team to punt. That they will do a nice play and then follow it up with someone being stupid and giving up a big play.

But seeing what you have seen and heard so far, do you think that the most inexperienced secondary the Texans have ever run out on the field is going to be even average? Who is going to be the guy on the other side of Mario Williams who will help complement him? Is Greenwood going to all of a sudden be a much better player?

We don't know the answers to those questions, but nothing in the preseason makes me think happy things about those subjects.

Number19
08-22-2008, 09:57 AM
Saw this little snapshot over at the Texans site -

Kubiak will have Colvin rush the passer from nickel, as well as N.D. Kalu and Chaun Thompson, allowing coaches to compare all three outside speed rushers. link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4537)

It got me thinking. All three of these guys can't possibly make it. Do two make it? One? I'm just not sure.

Going in I thought Colvin was a lock, but he hasn't shown me anything at all. Right now, I put him 3rd on my list out of those above.

Thompson has been hurt off and on, and his play seemed spotty when I happened to notice it, but he is fast, young and can contribute on ST and still has upside.

Kalu is older than Methusala, has no upside at all, and can't contribute on ST, but OTOH, he seems to be very motivated and has rushed the passer better than the other two thus far.

Further complicating matters is that they are three totally different players. Kalu being the seasoned end, Thompson the LB coming off the edge on passing downs with many more LB responsibilities, and Colvin trying to make a switch from a 3/4 OLB, to a pass rushing end.

Tomorrow will be absouletely vital to these three guys and should tell the tale on who stays and goes. I'm not really sure how to handicap this race, but my guess right now is that Colvin is cut, and we keep the other two. I think that will shock the casual fan, but that is my thought at the moment.

Opinions?I've posted this suggestion before without much response and I realize that it won't happen, at least this year. But I'd like some response, not on its unlikeliness, but on the physical skills and merits of the player and effectiveness of the ( unlikely ) change.

I'm still intrigued by the notion of moving Okoye to the outside, opposite Williams. As a run stopper, he should be just as effective as he is inside. The real question is whether he could get as effective an outside push as anyone currenting vying for the spot. Inside, he faces a lot of doubleteams , with the OG being plus 300 lbs. Outside it would be more single blockers, less thjan 300 lbs.

This whole scenerio is prefaced with the development of Okam and his ability to assume the NT position, with TJ moving into Okoye's middle spot.

The idea is to simply get our 4 best defensive players on the field at the same time.

Honoring Earl 34
08-22-2008, 10:04 AM
It's just preseason.

I'm not basing what I see on just preseason. I'm looking at last year, and look at what I've seen so far this year, and am seeing a team that can't force the other team to punt. That they will do a nice play and then follow it up with someone being stupid and giving up a big play.

But seeing what you have seen and heard so far, do you think that the most inexperienced secondary the Texans have ever run out on the field is going to be even average? Who is going to be the guy on the other side of Mario Williams who will help complement him? Is Greenwood going to all of a sudden be a much better player?

We don't know the answers to those questions, but nothing in the preseason makes me think happy things about those subjects.

If someone emerges opposite Mario then the secondary will get some relief . I think that the CB position at least has Dunta to maybe provide some midseason help and Moulden should get better every day .

I figure Adibi will beat out Greenwood before the seasons end . That will give us three young LBs to grow together . It seems like there's quite a few pieces to the puzzle IF they pan out .

Back to Mario and the hype . Mario has all the talent to be great but I'm nervously waiting to see if he picks up where he left off . I think he will and if Okoye makes big strides with TJ and Okam at the other DT , then yes we are looking for a pass rushing DE ... kinda like everyone else .