PDA

View Full Version : Funny excuse from VY fanboy


TheRealJoker
08-21-2008, 08:21 AM
I'm currently having a spirited debate on another forum witha VY homer who claims that the Titans DEF/ST dont have nearly as much to do with the Titans winning games than people seem to think. Here's a snippet from it:


From: TheRealJoker Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 1 day ago
Member Since: 5/10/03
Posts: 26502
Ignore | Quote | Edit

And the Titans had 8 regular season games where they scored 17 points or less. Going 4-4 in those games. I guess those wins had nothing to do with the superior DEF/ST?

Of those 8 games only 2 of them did they score atleast 16 points. In 6 of those games they scored 13 points or less... going 3-3 in those 6 games. I guess it was the DEF/ST fault they lost those 3 games?

Yes, he had much more of an impact on his team's W/L record than Rex Grossman for the 06 Bears...LOL
You have ignored this user.
From: shadetree Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile
Posted: 1 day ago
Member Since: 1/29/03
Posts: 3575
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up

"And the Titans had 8 regular season games where they scored 17 points or less. Going 4-4 in those games. I guess those wins had nothing to do with the superior DEF/ST?"

Jeff Fisher has always been a ball control coach. He prefers winning the time of possession, instead of lighting up the scoreboard.Thats why the Titans under his watch, have traditionally run the ball so much.


"Yes, he had much more of an impact on his team's W/L record than Rex Grossman for the 06 Bears...LOL"

Thanks for agreeing with me captain obvious.

TheRealJoker
08-21-2008, 08:22 AM
Yes, you read that correctly, the homer actually claimed that a ball control offense equates to not scoring points!!! I'm convinced he could give SH a run for his money!!!

Double Barrel
08-21-2008, 09:45 AM
Hey look! I have a tail! I think I'm going to chase it now! :D

Ole Miss Texan
08-21-2008, 10:35 AM
I've been thinking about the Titans for a few days, how I disagree with their draft strategy, how they really aren't that good of a team but are so darn competitive and produce these scrappy wins.

I'll preface this with my thoughts on VY. I think the guy is a tremendous talent, extremely athletic, fun to watch... a guy you want to root for (unless your a rival), and is a good motivator/leader, he pushes his teammates to be better. On the other hand, if it's not Madden... I don't want him to be my QB, in real football I don't like the scrambling kind, he can't throw the ball worth a darn- has no accuracy, relies WAY too much on his God-given talent and not his football smarts. I'll give him another few years to progress his football IQ before I really call him a bust.

With that said, he doesn't have the talent at WR to be that successful. TE's should provide for a good target for him (shorter passes). Why the hell don't the draft a good WR for him!!?? Well the answer I've finally realized is that the front office understands it wouldn't make that much difference right now.

The Titans have an awesome rushing attack now. Between VY, Johnson, White, Henry? (last years pick?) anyways... teams know they're going to run the ball yet they will still be able to be successful. This limits the amount of passes VY has to attempt (less turnovers) and keeps the T.O.P. in the titans favor. Then you get to their Defense and Special teams which are very good. Their easily a top 10 D going into the season with room to crack the top 5 in my opinion...

VY's job is easy in that offensive strategy. He's not a great QB and never will be because he's not really going to be forced to be a prototypical QB. All that matters is W's and they'll find a way to get those. He'll be a good football player but never a great QB.

Specnatz
08-21-2008, 11:18 AM
I've been thinking about the Titans for a few days, how I disagree with their draft strategy, how they really aren't that good of a team but are so darn competitive and produce these scrappy wins.

I'll preface this with my thoughts on VY. I think the guy is a tremendous talent, extremely athletic, fun to watch... a guy you want to root for (unless your a rival), and is a good motivator/leader, he pushes his teammates to be better. On the other hand, if it's not Madden... I don't want him to be my QB, in real football I don't like the scrambling kind, he can't throw the ball worth a darn- has no accuracy, relies WAY too much on his God-given talent and not his football smarts. I'll give him another few years to progress his football IQ before I really call him a bust.


Where does this misconception come from that vy has football smarts? The offense at UT was dumbed down for vy to a first read if open throw if not run. He could not grasp Chows playbook and it was dumbed down and in his second year he regressed and got chow fired. Now they have a new old coordinator who is talking about working on his mechanics (which should have been done while he was in High School). So someone please explain to me where this premis is that he has football smarts. He is a gifted athlete I will give him that but that is all he is.

Double Barrel
08-21-2008, 11:27 AM
With that said, he doesn't have the talent at WR to be that successful.

*cough*EXCUSE*cough* :shades:

If VY is not a good passer, then how can we truly judge the WRs?

brakos82
08-21-2008, 11:46 AM
*cough*EXCUSE*cough* :shades:

If VY is not a good passer, then how can we truly judge the WRs?

He could become one... :cowboy1:

Texan_Bill
08-21-2008, 11:48 AM
He could become one... :cowboy1:

Yup, right about the time HWSRN wins a Super Bowl... :pirate:

Ole Miss Texan
08-21-2008, 12:03 PM
relies WAY too much on his God-given talent and not his football smarts.

Where does this misconception come from that vy has football smarts? The offense at UT was dumbed down for vy to a first read if open throw if not run. He could not grasp Chows playbook and it was dumbed down and in his second year he regressed and got chow fired. Now they have a new old coordinator who is talking about working on his mechanics (which should have been done while he was in High School). So someone please explain to me where this premis is that he has football smarts. He is a gifted athlete I will give him that but that is all he is.
Well maybe I didn't say that the best way I could have? I don't think it's a misconception that he has football smarts. It's the level those smarts are at. Maybe I should have said "or lack thereof"... ANYWAYS... the whole point is all he uses is his talent... if all you do is go off your talent, you'll rarely ever progess, especially at QB. I completely agree with what your saying though. I thought they should have selected Leinart but that's irrelevant now. What is relevant is when they selected VY.. Chow was done- Vince would never fit as a pocket passer. In order for him to progress, he's got to be taught.

And yes he does have football smarts- he gat a what.. 6 on the wonderlick? No smarts would be Zero, I never said it was good football smarts :)
*cough*EXCUSE*cough* :shades:

If VY is not a good passer, then how can we truly judge the WRs?

I'm not trying to make excuses for him whatsoever. But I'd love to hear you argue that the Titans wideouts are good. Where would you rank them relative to the other nfl teams? I think we can all agree they COULD use an upgrade.

Texan_Bill
08-21-2008, 12:08 PM
I'm not trying to make excuses for him whatsoever. But I'd love to hear you argue that the Titans wideouts are good. Where would you rank them relative to the other nfl teams? I think we can all agree they COULD use an upgrade.

They looked decent enough whenever Kerry Collins racked up 280 yards against us....


....... Just sayin'

thunderkyss
08-21-2008, 01:27 PM
They looked decent enough whenever Kerry Collins racked up 280 yards against us....


....... Just sayin'

Alex Smith looked like a God against us.

Ole Miss Texan
08-21-2008, 01:29 PM
They looked decent enough whenever Kerry Collins racked up 280 yards against us....


....... Just sayin'

Was that the same game when Roydell Williams racked up half of those yards playing against Petey Faggins? And the same game when although they got those yards, never got a passing TD? Again... going back to the point- they won that game (and most all their games) because of their running game and defense/special teams.

Passing TD's: 0 (0 points)
Rushing TD's: 2 (12 points)
Bironas FG's: 8 (26 points including 2 pat's)

Dekka
08-21-2008, 01:56 PM
They looked decent enough whenever Kerry Collins racked up 280 yards against us....


....... Just sayin'
Kerry Collins's record in the preseason is just as crappy and in the last game he had several passes that sailed or where otherwise well off the mark. No one in Hickville is clamouring for Collins to get the nod over Vince.

Both Collins and Young are not doing well. *Maybe* the receivers have something to do with it. (Note: I did not say they have "everything" to do with it.)

infantrycak
08-21-2008, 02:11 PM
Alex Smith looked like a God against us.

Yeah, buddy. That 68 passer rating looked like future hall of famer.

Wolf
08-21-2008, 02:22 PM
lol I wonder if he got it confused with Joey Harrington

Seņor Stan
08-21-2008, 02:24 PM
Now they have a new old coordinator who is talking about working on his mechanics (which should have been done while he was in High School).


There is nothing wrong with VYs throwing mechanics.


Sincerely,

Skipping rocks across a lake

HOU-TEX
08-21-2008, 02:25 PM
There is nothing wrong with VYs throwing mechanics.


Sincerely,

Skipping rocks across a lake

LMAO! That's funny as hell for some reason. :spit:

Specnatz
08-21-2008, 02:29 PM
LMAO! That's funny as hell for some reason. :spit:

It got me to crack up laughing.

Texan_Bill
08-21-2008, 02:31 PM
Alex Smith looked like a God against us. Not sure what that has to do with the Titans receivers, but ok.



Was that the same game when Roydell Williams racked up half of those yards playing against Petey Faggins? And the same game when although they got those yards, never got a passing TD? Again... going back to the point- they won that game (and most all their games) because of their running game and defense/special teams.

Passing TD's: 0 (0 points)
Rushing TD's: 2 (12 points)
Bironas FG's: 8 (26 points including 2 pat's)

I know what the stats are. Williams racking up 44% of those yards is approximately proportionate to what AJ does to other teams. Collins inability to score TD's may have been more about lack of snaps or a little rust, but he certainly moved the ball at will. The play of that game was a play not made........ by Dunta on Williams.

Kerry Collins's record in the preseason is just as crappy and in the last game he had several passes that sailed or where otherwise well off the mark. No one in Hickville is clamouring for Collins to get the nod over Vince.

Both Collins and Young are not doing well. *Maybe* the receivers have something to do with it. (Note: I did not say they have "everything" to do with it.)

I wouldn't put too much credence into preseason performances including whether its VY or Schaub going 14 of 16. Also, if you go to gotitans.com you will see more and more tack fans getting tired of VY. I'm not saying they are calling for Collins, but that wasn't point above anyway.... Point was and remains, Collins was effective throwing the ball against us with the same WR's that VY has - irrespective of whoever is covering them...

Maybe it could be that they don't want to spend money on receivers when they're not sure or know that their QB can't get the ball to them. What would probably help them and vincent though - is getting a tall athletic guy who can catch those jump balls like Sweed did for Young at Texas...

**********************************************

For those that missed the point of my post it is this...

The receivers that Collins had were the same receivers that VY had. Collins was able to move the ball in the air and VY was not.. Period.

Texan_Bill
08-21-2008, 02:35 PM
There is nothing wrong with VYs throwing mechanics.


Sincerely,

Skipping rocks across a lake

Wish I could rep. you... "You must spread.... yada yada yada"

hobie
08-21-2008, 02:38 PM
Wish I could quit you... "You must spread.... yada yada yada"

Hmm, you must spread, yet you wish you could quit....I just don't understand some of you guys !!

Wolf
08-21-2008, 02:39 PM
Wish I could rep. you... "You must spread.... yada yada yada"

same here

Texan_Bill
08-21-2008, 02:45 PM
Hmm, you must spread, yet you wish you could quit....I just don't understand some of you guys !!

Hobie..... You're projecting again. You should just admit what we all know to be true anyway... :hobie:

hobie
08-21-2008, 02:48 PM
Hobie..... You're projecting again. You should just admit what we all know to be true anyway... :hobie:

Ok,Ok, I admit, I DO understand you guys, and that even though you enjoy an occasional sausage, I am ok with that and am your friend regardless...He that let a sausage come between 2 friends is someone who does not value friendship !!

RTP2110
08-21-2008, 02:48 PM
I thought the deal with the Titans WR core was that they didn't want prototype guys. I don't remember when and where, but I read that TEN wanted to surround VY with WRs just as unorthodox as he is. The thinking being that if you have a WR running precise routes and being open at the right time, VY isn't going to get the ball to him anyway. TEN wants WRs who can break off their route and scramble around to get open. Street football if you will. They know VY isn't going to drop back 7 steps, step up, find the open guy, and deliver an on time, accurate pass. That's not his game. There is a reason TEN hasn't gone after top flight WRs. People waiting for VY to get help at WR, don't hold your breath.

Seņor Stan
08-21-2008, 02:54 PM
I thought the deal with the Titans WR core was that they didn't want prototype guys. I don't remember when and where, but I read that TEN wanted to surround VY with WRs just as unorthodox as he is. The thinking being that if you have a WR running precise routes and being open at the right time, VY isn't going to get the ball to him anyway. TEN wants WRs who can break off their route and scramble around to get open. Street football if you will. They know VY isn't going to drop back 7 steps, step up, find the open guy, and deliver an on time, accurate pass. That's not his game. There is a reason TEN hasn't gone after top flight WRs. People waiting for VY to get help at WR, don't hold your breath.

Instead of Xs and Os the Titans playbook now contains bottle caps and sticks and is drawn in the dirt. Also terms like "fly" and "post" and "drag" have been replaced with "run towards the yellow Impala."

Texan_Bill
08-21-2008, 02:57 PM
Ok,Ok, I admit, I DO understand you guys, and that even though you enjoy an occasional sausage, I am ok with that and am your friend regardless...He that let a sausage come between 2 friends is someone who does not value friendship !!

*Hobie exits and heads towards Montrose for some :hobie: *

Ole Miss Texan
08-21-2008, 02:57 PM
The play of that game was a play not made........ by Dunta on Williams.
I actually remember that big play now and you're right it was against Dunta. I thought he had fairly good coverage and it was just a great throw and great catch.


Maybe it could be that they don't want to spend money on receivers when they're not sure or know that their QB can't get the ball to them. What would probably help them and vincent though - is getting a tall athletic guy who can catch those jump balls like Sweed did for Young at Texas...
I think that's a great thought. It could easily go both ways there. I was surprised (as is everyone) that they didn't get that tall athletic WR, but I'm starting to understand... they want to run the ball more than ever.


For those that missed the point of my post it is this...

The receivers that Collins had were the same receivers that VY had. Collins was able to move the ball in the air and VY was not.. Period.
That's the thing though is that VY has had several great games with similar stats. Hell he threw for 300 yds against Denver last year and like 250 yds against us all with the same receivers.

Bottom line if VY/KC had better receivers.. their stats would go up. Likewise, if those receivers had better QB's... their stats would probably go up too :)


Wish I could rep. you... "You must spread.... yada yada yada"

That was funny as hell... perfect analogy. Rep'd him.

Wolf
08-21-2008, 03:03 PM
Instead of Xs and Os the Titans playbook now contains bottle caps and sticks and is drawn in the dirt. Also terms like "fly" and "post" and "drag" have been replaced with "run towards the yellow Impala."

no pun intended right LOL

Double Barrel
08-21-2008, 03:04 PM
I'm not trying to make excuses for him whatsoever. But I'd love to hear you argue that the Titans wideouts are good. Where would you rank them relative to the other nfl teams? I think we can all agree they COULD use an upgrade.

I agree that they could use an upgrade at WR (that goes for a lot of teams, though), but, I can't blame VY being mediocre QB because of them. The receivers still need someone who can consistently get the ball to them.

Stats only tell part of the story, but we can use them to illustrate certain points.

Take the top three reception players with the Titans in 2007:

Justin Gage - 55 for 750
Roydell Williams - 55 for 719
Bo Scaife - 46 for 421

That's 156 catches for 1,890 yards.

Then look at the top three reception players with another AFC South playoff team in 2007:

Jaguars (won 1 playoff game)
Ernest Wilford - 45 for 518
Dennis Northcutt - 44 for 601
Maurice Jones-Drew - 40 for 407

Total = 129 catches for 1,526 yards

The Jags had less catches and less yards, yet they still won a playoff game. These teams split their series last season, as well.

Is David Garrard a better or worse QB than VY? He seems to have weaker WRs, but he still makes the best of it. Both teams have solid running games and good defenses. But honestly, I don't hear that Garrard is a mediocre QB because of his WRs. He's actually considered a good up-and-coming QB who has a lot of potential.

JMO :howdy:

Ole Miss Texan
08-21-2008, 03:26 PM
Interesting analysis. It's interesting how similar the Titans and Jags are. Both running teams with good defenses. Colts obviously are a passing team and it seems the Texans are really going to be a passing team too.

I guess it goes with the theory that teams often draft or try and build a superunit. Instead of being decent all around, build up a unit to be really good (ie what we're trying to do on the DL, the Titans with their RB's, Saints had a great passing game in '06 yet still drafted a WR in the 1st rd, etc.) Build a big strength to your team instead of have decent players at a lot of different positions.

Dekka
08-22-2008, 11:45 PM
...The receivers that Collins had were the same receivers that VY had. Collins was able to move the ball in the air and VY was not.. Period.
What kind of point is that? I doubt the brass over on the rednecks' favorite team is giving two sh*ts about Collins vs. Young and weighing how either performed against us. It's a non-point. Vince could have come out, dropped his drawers and taken a crap on the 50-yard line and Collins could've thrown for 600 yards with 11 TDs and it still wouldn't matter. How anyone performs against us isn't going to dictate a darn thing on any given Sunday.

Since Collins came over to the Titans I believe Young has a higher completion average and better overall numbers. I could be wrong, but either way, Collins is a non-issue.

Martin, now, that's a different story. The fans over there know the least about him - which makes him a hot Monday morning quarterback commodity.

Specnatz
08-23-2008, 09:13 AM
What kind of point is that? I doubt the brass over on the rednecks' favorite team is giving two sh*ts about Collins vs. Young and weighing how either performed against us. It's a non-point. Vince could have come out, dropped his drawers and taken a crap on the 50-yard line and Collins could've thrown for 600 yards with 11 TDs and it still wouldn't matter. How anyone performs against us isn't going to dictate a darn thing on any given Sunday.

Since Collins came over to the Titans I believe Young has a higher completion average and better overall numbers. I could be wrong, but either way, Collins is a non-issue.

Martin, now, that's a different story. The fans over there know the least about him - which makes him a hot Monday morning quarterback commodity.

Slow down Jr and lets explain it to you real simple like. vy apologist blame everyone (including the WR) around him for his poor performance last year. So saying Collins did real well given the oppertunity with the same WR he performed better than sausage boy. It really is, just that simple.

b0ng
08-23-2008, 10:25 AM
I bet when we revisit this conversation in about a year or two it will be absolutely hilarious.

Dekka
08-29-2008, 06:04 PM
So saying Collins did real well given the oppertunity with the same WR he performed better than sausage boy. It really is, just that simple.
How do Collins's numbers compare to Young's over the course of last season? It really is just that simple.

Specnatz
08-29-2008, 08:34 PM
How do Collins's numbers compare to Young's over the course of last season? It really is just that simple.

17 int 9 td