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gary
08-19-2008, 07:22 PM
How much time the Sanints had to run a play.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80a0f1d0

gary
08-19-2008, 07:58 PM
I fixed it. Sorry.

RTP2110
08-19-2008, 11:02 PM
Starting at the 1:42 mark of that vidoe, the Texans rushed 5 guys on 2 straight plays in the video. Nobody got close to Brees either time.

The Pencil Neck
08-20-2008, 01:12 AM
Our problem isn't that we don't blitz. The problem is that it doesn't make any difference if we do or not.

I'm hoping that's just because Brees and that o-line are so good but I'm pretty sure it isn't.

HJam72
08-20-2008, 01:25 AM
On the play in question, it seems to me that one of the blitzing LBs had the best opportunity to get to the QB, as direct result of how all the OLinemen stuck with the 3 DLinemen, and he just blew it. We can't blame the front 4 when one of them drops back and a blitzing LB just doesn't get the job done.

Slaton looks tougher in that video than people are makng him sound. I'm glad to see that.

gtexan02
08-20-2008, 08:43 AM
Our problem isn't that we don't blitz. The problem is that it doesn't make any difference if we do or not.

I'm hoping that's just because Brees and that o-line are so good but I'm pretty sure it isn't.

They led the league in QB protection. They gave up exactly 1 sack per game on average, which was tops in the NFL

dtran04
08-20-2008, 09:24 AM
We out of all people should know that a smart, quick thinking QB can eliminate most of the sacks.

maddogmrb
08-20-2008, 09:38 AM
Our problem isn't that we don't blitz. The problem is that it doesn't make any difference if we do or not.


This has been a problem since Richard Smith took over as DC. Our schemes seem to just suck...... they don't fool anybody and we can't just blame the lack of QB pressure on lack of talent. The schemes should make something happen.

:fans:

gary
08-20-2008, 09:40 AM
Still on every play not to get to the QB even one time?

Hooston Texan
08-20-2008, 09:53 AM
They led the league in QB protection. They gave up exactly 1 sack per game on average, which was tops in the NFL

If I'm not mistaken, the Saints set a record last year for fewest sacks allowed per pass attempt. You can't do that unless you have both outstanding pass-blockers and a QB who knows what to do with the ball.

Still, that's not to say that I'm happy with the pass rush at this point.

b0ng
08-20-2008, 10:02 AM
You guys have to remember a few things.
1. The Saints have very good pass proection. Brees is a good QB who can make fast decisions and get the ball out in a hurry.
2. Our D-line MAYBE got a whole quarter of work against them (The first stringers anyway). That's not a lot of time to figure out your opponents weakness.
3. Our LB corp, when it comes to blitzing, either flat-out blows (Greenwood) or is an unknown (Diles). Ryans is great at blitzing, but he's too important to thje game playing behind the D-line to spend too much time in front of it.
4. Richard Smith couldn't coach his way out of a piss soaked paperbag.

gtexan02
08-20-2008, 10:06 AM
You guys have to remember a few things.
1. The Saints have very good pass proection. Brees is a good QB who can make fast decisions and get the ball out in a hurry.
2. Our D-line MAYBE got a whole quarter of work against them (The first stringers anyway). That's not a lot of time to figure out your opponents weakness.
3. Our LB corp, when it comes to blitzing, either flat-out blows (Greenwood) or is an unknown (Diles). Ryans is great at blitzing, but he's too important to thje game playing behind the D-line to spend too much time in front of it.
4. Richard Smith couldn't coach his way out of a piss soaked paperbag.

1. True
2. The starting DL was in there well into the 2nd quarter
3. Greenwood, as the WLB, rarely blitzes
4. Its the preseason

Texan_Bill
08-20-2008, 10:13 AM
They led the league in QB protection. They gave up exactly 1 sack per game on average, which was tops in the NFL

Add in the fact that Brees moves around and is more mobile than given credit for.

gary
08-20-2008, 10:14 AM
I might be jumping the gun too soon here.

HOU-TEX
08-20-2008, 10:21 AM
I might be jumping the gun too soon here.

I don't think you are, Gary. It seems every preseason the pass rush is a main concern, but it always shrugged off as "only preseason". But, we see the same vanilla panzy ass defense take the field opening weekend.

I've yet to see anything overly impressive from SmithDC's defense the previous two years and honestly, I don't expect a noticable improvement this season.

BUT, it's only preseason. :)

Texan JBZ
08-20-2008, 10:27 AM
I don't think you are, Gary. It seems every preseason the pass rush is a main concern, but it always shrugged off as "only preseason". But, we see the same vanilla panzy ass defense take the field opening weekend.

I've yet to see anything overly impressive from SmithDC's defense the previous two years and honestly, I don't expect a noticable improvement this season.

BUT, it's only preseason. :)

Yeah, it's only preseason. But it's never too soon to start the "Fire Richard Smith, Hire Jerry Gray" campaign.

gary
08-20-2008, 10:37 AM
It does worry me some though.

El Tejano
08-20-2008, 10:56 AM
Yeah, it's only preseason. But it's never too soon to start the "Fire Richard Smith, Hire Jerry Gray" campaign.

Marvin Lewis might be availalbe quicker than we think.

gary
08-20-2008, 10:59 AM
For DC?

El Tejano
08-20-2008, 10:59 AM
Has anyone taken into consideration that we were getting to the QB quite a bit in practices against N.O.? I'm just saying with all that happening, I'm sure N.O. did what they could to keep Brees on his feet, as well as the OL knowing what everyone was going to do.

That being said we still have to get pressure from our front four if we want to be a good team.

HJam72
08-20-2008, 11:01 AM
Every year:

The D line owns the O line at the beginning of training camp.

The O line catches up about the last week going into preseason--and we think both are doing great.

Preseason comes and we got no running game and no pass rush.

Regular season starts.

The running game is anybody's guess, but we'll get our pass rush goin' about week 9. Meanwhile, D Linemen will still be dropping back into pass protection, while LBs (Ryans notwithstanding) run up to the line and get hammered by O Linemen. That's on pass plays. On run plays, those D Linemen dropping back will be driven 10 yards back while our run D looks like....well, actually, butter is more difficult to cut through. Thanx, Richard.

gary
08-20-2008, 11:09 AM
Agreed.

BornOrange
08-20-2008, 12:42 PM
I don't know how good a DC Richard Smith is or can be, but I do know a famous coaching expression:

"You can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t."

The Texans have one of the worst groups of outside linebackers and safeties in the league. Those are the guys who normally blitz, but our OLB's and S's aren't very good at getting to the QB. And except for 2002, the Texans have always been poor at rushing the passer. Richard Smith might be to blame to some extent since he is drawing up the plays, but it isn't like he has all the tools in place to run the defense his way either.

dalemurphy
08-20-2008, 12:53 PM
I don't know how good a DC Richard Smith is or can be, but I do know a famous coaching expression:

"You can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t."

The Texans have one of the worst groups of outside linebackers and safeties in the league. Those are the guys who normally blitz, but our OLB's and S's aren't very good at getting to the QB. And except for 2002, the Texans have always been poor at rushing the passer. Richard Smith might be to blame to some extent since he is drawing up the plays, but it isn't like he has all the tools in place to run the defense his way either.


I think our linebacker corp may actually be good. Certainly, CThompson is a playmaker when he's in the game, Adibi and Diles both have potential as well. So, I'm very encouraged by that.

That being said, the blitz packages better become a lot more disguised once the season gets underway. Any yes, unless Harrison and Barber turn out to be playmakers, our S position doesn't have much.

Vinny
08-20-2008, 12:58 PM
most schemes are vanilla in week 2 of the preseason....so I can't really read too much into blitzing or not blitzing right now. I did see Chaun Thompson get lit up in coverage so he may not be a viable linebacker and only an edge rusher...donno

dalemurphy
08-20-2008, 01:41 PM
most schemes are vanilla in week 2 of the preseason....so I can't really read too much into blitzing or not blitzing right now. I did see Chaun Thompson get lit up in coverage so he may not be a viable linebacker and only an edge rusher...donno

Well, I don't know about Thompson in coverage either, but remember that Kubes said his hamstring still wasn't right. Also, other than Demeco, our LBs are usually lit up in coverage.

By the way, with all the concern about Brees' effectiveness against us, I am encouraged by the fact that the windows for the WRs downfield appear to be very small this year- we're pretty much there and that's something to be encouraged about.

The Pencil Neck
08-20-2008, 02:05 PM
They led the league in QB protection. They gave up exactly 1 sack per game on average, which was tops in the NFL

I realize that. But I still think we have a problem.

dtran04
08-20-2008, 04:13 PM
Besides Demeco, this team has terrible blitzers. I can't even recall a time when another LB or S blitzed and actually made it through the line.

beerlover
08-20-2008, 04:22 PM
Besides Demeco, this team has terrible blitzers. I can't even recall a time when another LB or S blitzed and actually made it through the line.

this is only a hunch but I'm really impressed with the physical nature & speed Zach Diles brings, which could result with him packaged in some blitz schemes. some players have a nose for the football & he has that skill/trait. we'll just have to see :cool:

gary
08-20-2008, 04:35 PM
I realize that. But I still think we have a problem.Yes we do.

ObsiWan
08-20-2008, 04:47 PM
Add in the fact that Brees moves around and is more mobile than given credit for.

but despite that Mario was still in Brees' face a few times and caused that "wounded duck" that he threw in the 2nd qtr.


...and I still don't understand how pass interference was called on that play since it was deflected at the line
...but I digress.

Texan_Bill
08-20-2008, 04:51 PM
but despite that Mario was still in Brees' face a few times and caused that "wounded duck" that he threw in the 2nd qtr.


...and I still don't understand how pass interference was called on that play since it was deflected at the line
...but I digress.



No doubt. That's why I think the D-line played a little better than given credit for...

Ummm, I guess nailing the QB's arm while moving forward is different than actually tipping the ball.... (????) :thinking:

gary
08-20-2008, 04:54 PM
Which play is this?

ObsiWan
08-20-2008, 05:13 PM
Which play is this?

Happened shortly before the two-min warning
per the NFL.com play-by-play....

(3:12) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short left to 12-M.Colston [59-D.Ryans]. PENALTY on HOU-35-J.Reeves, Defensive Pass Interference, 18 yards, enforced at HOU 45 - No Play.

What doesn't show up in the stat sheet or the play-by-play was that Mario - despite being held and chipped by the RB (I think) - got to Brees and hit his throwing arm as Brees was trying to get the pass away.

And that's not the only time he caused Brees to throw before he was ready.
Brees is even better than Schaub at sensing the rush, getting rid of the ball, and not taking a sack.

All that to say that we're not great but we're not awful either.

Porky
08-20-2008, 05:33 PM
but despite that Mario was still in Brees' face a few times and caused that "wounded duck" that he threw in the 2nd qtr.


...and I still don't understand how pass interference was called on that play since it was deflected at the line
...but I digress.



He hit his arm, not the ball. The call was correct. :devilpig:

The Pencil Neck
08-20-2008, 05:34 PM
Happened shortly before the two-min warning
per the NFL.com play-by-play....

(3:12) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short left to 12-M.Colston [59-D.Ryans]. PENALTY on HOU-35-J.Reeves, Defensive Pass Interference, 18 yards, enforced at HOU 45 - No Play.

What doesn't show up in the stat sheet or the play-by-play was that Mario - despite being held and chipped by the RB (I think) - got to Brees and hit his throwing arm as Brees was trying to get the pass away.

And that's not the only time he caused Brees to throw before he was ready.
Brees is even better than Schaub at sensing the rush, getting rid of the ball, and not taking a sack.

All that to say that we're not great but we're not awful either.

Mario hit Brees' arm, he didn't touch the ball. And no one else touched the ball. Therefore, no tip. Pass interference.

disaacks3
08-20-2008, 05:37 PM
He hit his arm, not the ball. The call was correct. :devilpig:
Yep - DVR'd it back & forth hoping for the tip...it wasn't there. Reeves didn't play the ball correctly and was clearly into the receiver before the ball arrived. Easy call for the ref.

ObsiWan
08-20-2008, 06:02 PM
alright, alright...
interference was the right call

sheesh! can't a guy be a homer around here.



get on my nerves... damn Type-A, always gotta be right people, it I wasn't one of 'em I'd hate 'em...
:D

brakos82
08-20-2008, 06:09 PM
I would also like to note that the last time Fay hit the U.S. coastline, we ended up winning 19-10.

ObsiWan
08-20-2008, 06:54 PM
and they said *I* was reaching...

gary
08-20-2008, 06:58 PM
I just want them to be able to get to the QB more than they did. We all do.