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Texans_Chick
08-15-2008, 08:06 AM
AOL Sports asked each of the FanHouse writers to evaluate different units of each team, and give them a "heat index" rating. Sort of a cheesy exercise to go through, but we all did it.

Here's my review: FanHouse NFL Season Preview: Houston Texans - Too Bad They Are in the AFC South (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/08/15/fanhouse-nfl-season-preview-houston-texans-too-bad-they-are-i/)

I hate writing headlines. That particular one comes from the line that everyone uses as it relates to the Texans....great young team, but.....

The Index goes from "10" meaning "couldn't be any better" A "9" is one of the best in the league. A "7-8" is an above league average situation. "5" is league average. "4-3" is below league average. "1" is unreedeemable garbage with no potential at all.

I also think it is difficult to assess teams on a unit by unit basis--so often the play of the secondary affects the front of the defense and vice versa. If the offense is struggling, it can hurt the defense, etc. If the coaching reeks, it affects each unit too.

That being said, it was an interesting exercise. It's also good to read the previews for the other teams--we are rolling them out alphabetically by city.

gtexan02
08-15-2008, 08:22 AM
Great write-up, and I loved your tough ratings. Everyone on here is ready to annoint a lot of players on potential alone.

Thorn
08-15-2008, 08:26 AM
A fair and balanced review, very good article.

I wouldn't have rated the secondary so low, but I would have rated the RBs lower. This will be a telling season, and as everyone familiar with the Texans knows, those first five games will set the tone for this year.

Texans_Chick
08-15-2008, 09:01 AM
A fair and balanced review, very good article.

I wouldn't have rated the secondary so low, but I would have rated the RBs lower. This will be a telling season, and as everyone familiar with the Texans knows, those first five games will set the tone for this year.

It's hard rating "potential."

But our starting cornerbacks are:

1. A low round pick that got torched with the Cowboys. Allegedly he will be better in our system. Was Buchanon better in our system?

2. A second year player with a lot of promise.

3. And an assortment of a promising rookie and various castoffs and never weres.

Very very inexperienced group + safety play that is always a problem. I think Antonio Gates is still running free. I'm not blaming the Texans for having the group they have--it's not like they had many choices. They are doing the best they can with the resources they have.

As for the running backs, I would have rated them lower, but they are getting a Gibbs bump.

In other words, it would shock me much more if the Texans had a great secondary versus if they can have a great running game. Or it would shock me more if the Texans had an average secondary versus even an average running game.

gtexan02
08-15-2008, 09:03 AM
The funny thing about our secondary is that I think its either going to be a huge surprise, either positive or negative.

Bennett, Molden, and Fletcher have been getting tons of positive press from coaches and media alike
Demps was a probowl alternate, and suddenly we have 3 or 4 more safeties at SS who look to be valid starters

At the same time, tons of guys coming off injuries + inexperience could take us to the opposite extreme. Its definitely an area to focus on this year

eriadoc
08-15-2008, 09:39 AM
Our strong safety position is like Tampa Bay's QB position.

noxiousdog
08-15-2008, 10:13 AM
A fair and balanced review, very good article.

I wouldn't have rated the secondary so low, but I would have rated the RBs lower. This will be a telling season, and as everyone familiar with the Texans knows, those first five games will set the tone for this year.

Agreed. Bennett can't be any worse than league average and we'll have Robinson for more than 1/2 the year. Safety play should be improved, even though I still don't think it's a strength.

Regardless, an improved pass rush is likely to make the secondary look better.

TheRealJoker
08-15-2008, 10:22 AM
The secondary this year is our least experienced but it is also our most athletic in team history. Plus it seems like none of the DBs have any reservations towards laying a hit on someone when necessary. Unlike the last DB we had here who was touted for his "athleticism"... I think that physical mentality will help a lot. I've particularly been impressed with Jamar Fletcher's (former 1st round pick...someone thought he had talent) physical play since he's come here. Is he a starter for us? No, but he can definately be a solid 3rd or 4th option and in this league you need guys like that.

Lucky
08-15-2008, 10:32 AM
Was Buchanon better in our system?

Are the Texans in the same system? I know they're being coached by the same guy (Hoke). Dallas' pass defense was pretty good last year, and Reeves saw a lot of PT due to injuries to Newman. I don't think Reeves is a potential All Pro, but he's an improvement over the guys the Texans put out there last season (Hutchins & Faggins).

Considering your previous views on the Texans RB situation, I thought you were very generous in your grade. Probably more than I would be. But, I also believe that Gibbs brings the fear of the cut block into defensive fronts, and that should take the running attack to a different level (from horrible to mediocre?).

When evaluating an upcoming season, promise & potential have to be taken into consideration. Else, you just cut & paste from the previous year. And when the talk turns to potential, Amobi Okoye should be the first discussed. Okoye has the kind of quickness that is rare at his position, and difficult to simulate in practice. Kubiak has said that Amobi has had the best offseason of any Texan. I expect Okoye to become a difference maker in 2008, and help turn the Texans D-line into one of the best in the league.

thunderkyss
08-15-2008, 11:31 AM
It's hard rating "potential."

But our starting cornerbacks are:

1. A low round pick that got torched with the Cowboys. Allegedly he will be better in our system. Was Buchanon better in our system?

2. A second year player with a lot of promise.

3. And an assortment of a promising rookie and various castoffs and never weres.

Very very inexperienced group + safety play that is always a problem. I think Antonio Gates is still running free. I'm not blaming the Texans for having the group they have--it's not like they had many choices. They are doing the best they can with the resources they have.

As for the running backs, I would have rated them lower, but they are getting a Gibbs bump.

In other words, it would shock me much more if the Texans had a great secondary versus if they can have a great running game. Or it would shock me more if the Texans had an average secondary versus even an average running game.

I think you did a great job. I was most impressed, with how you resisted the urge to grade them on potential & "talent".

I'm curious to see how your end of season grade, or next year's grades will come out. You mentioned earlier, how it's difficult to judge one group apart from the other, and this will be the test.

We've got a whole new backfield.... none of those guys started with the guy next to them ever before, at the positions they are playing. Demps was our "FS" last year, DD was the "SS" Reeves wasn't even on the team, and Bennet, well you know.

If they all of a sudden become playmakers, will it be because of Mario & his group, will it be because of chemistry amoung the secondary, will it be because they are better suited to play where they are now??

That will be interesting.

Same with the RBs.. We haven't seen enough game time from any of them, with maybe the exception of Chris Brown, to know what to expect. If any of them are successful, is it because of their talent?? their Vision?? Their determination?? The opportunity to earn the starting job?? or the OL opening gaping holes??

beerlover
08-15-2008, 11:58 AM
Are the Texans in the same system? I know they're being coached by the same guy (Hoke). Dallas' pass defense was pretty good last year, and Reeves saw a lot of PT due to injuries to Newman. I don't think Reeves is a potential All Pro, but he's an improvement over the guys the Texans put out there last season (Hutchins & Faggins).

Considering your previous views on the Texans RB situation, I thought you were very generous in your grade. Probably more than I would be. But, I also believe that Gibbs brings the fear of the cut block into defensive fronts, and that should take the running attack to a different level (from horrible to mediocre?).

When evaluating an upcoming season, promise & potential have to be taken into consideration. Else, you just cut & paste from the previous year. And when the talk turns to potential, Amobi Okoye should be the first discussed. Okoye has the kind of quickness that is rare at his position, and difficult to simulate in practice. Kubiak has said that Amobi has had the best offseason of any Texan. I expect Okoye to become a difference maker in 2008, and help turn the Texans D-line into one of the best in the league.

nice post Lucky :)

I beleive this, the current Texans coaching staff (9) can stand up to any other NFL staff, that our talent while short on winning expereince in the NFL is on par talent wise so other than the RB position (3-4) every other position is @ least avg. (5) or higher (7-8).

Thus the coaching staff can actually cancel out the RB deficiencies by working through the situation while excecuting much improved in all other areas. What I'd like to see differrent from an offensive approach is for Kubiak to throw the ball to set up the run instead of vise versa. spread out the defense with quick short drops first some long to intermediate strikes then eat clock & cut block the hell out of the exhausted linemen/LB's into pulp while the defense chomps on the bit to get another crack on the field :pirate:

ObsiWan
08-15-2008, 12:53 PM
great job, T.C. I mostly agree with your assessments. A couple of "quibbles"....

I think Richard Smith (2/3) and (to a lesser extent because he's unproven) young Shanahan (5?) bring the coaches grade down to a 6. Our only solid "9" is Marciano. The other guys are 7s.

Also, Schaub gets a 6 until shows he won't spend significant time keeping Ahman Green company on the sidelines (Manning, Brady, the old guy in New Jersey, etc. show up EVERY week - IMHO, consistency is no small part of the grade). Also, both he and Sage stop making bonehead throws into coverage they won't get higher than a 6 from me. They have "8" moments, they truly do. But they still have too many "4/5" moments to earn a solid 7.

But those are nits. (aren't they?)

Brandon420tx
08-15-2008, 01:06 PM
Looks like Chris Brown will be starting this game at RB. Lets see how this goes...

Malloy
08-15-2008, 01:29 PM
Good read TC. Was wondering, will y'all be making a 'evaluation revisited' post during the season (say, after game 8?) and at the end of the season? Would be interesting see hear your own evaluation of the evaluation :)

maddogmrb
08-15-2008, 02:18 PM
TC,

I always respect your posts/threads however, I must respectfully disagree on the grades you give our OL and LB. I believe they are both too high at this point. I would give the OL a 4 with potential to be much better and I would give our LB's a 4 ONLY because of Ryans. The rest of our LB's have NEVER done diddly and, until they prove it on the field, I just can't give the group a higher grade. Now, I have hopes that Diles and Adibi can step up and bring that grade up, but gotta see more production first.

:d:

maddogmrb
08-15-2008, 02:20 PM
Also, I have to agree with ObsiWan that our QB's are graded too high at this point. I believe that Schaub has the potential to be an 8 but.........

:texflag:

gtexan02
08-15-2008, 02:25 PM
TC,

I always respect your posts/threads however, I must respectfully disagree on the grades you give our OL and LB. I believe they are both too high at this point. I would give the OL a 4 with potential to be much better and I would give our LB's a 4 ONLY because of Ryans. The rest of our LB's have NEVER done diddly and, until they prove it on the field, I just can't give the group a higher grade. Now, I have hopes that Diles and Adibi can step up and bring that grade up, but gotta see more production first.

:d:

Greenwood is solid and Ryans is pro-bowl, all pro. SAM backer is important, but not as important as WILL and MIKE. I think our LB are above average at worst.

Lucky
08-15-2008, 02:52 PM
Greenwood is solid and Ryans is pro-bowl, all pro. SAM backer is important, but not as important as WILL and MIKE. I think our LB are above average at worst.
Take a look at the other LB corps in our division. Are they significantly better? Worse? Equal? And those are playoff teams.

I think the Texans have one of the top 5 LBs in the league. I think most teams have a Greenwood, a vet who is OK, but replaceable. And many teams are counting on an unproven young LB to come through.

What I like about this particular Texans team, is that they are deeper than those in the past. Bentley and Thompson have started in the league. Adibi is a young talent who could push for PT. Colvin is like an insurance policy. So I see this as at least an average group, with the potential to be better, if Diles and Adibi step up.

The Pencil Neck
08-15-2008, 03:02 PM
Take a look at the other LB corps in our division. Are they significantly better? Worse? Equal? And those are playoff teams.


I'd also like to point out that Danny Clark, who I thought played OK but not as well as I would have liked last year, was our SAM last year. And now, he's going to be starting at WILL for the Giants.

Our LB corp can't be THAT bad if we didn't even try to re-sign him.

Texans_Chick
08-15-2008, 03:46 PM
Are the Texans in the same system? I know they're being coached by the same guy (Hoke). Dallas' pass defense was pretty good last year, and Reeves saw a lot of PT due to injuries to Newman. I don't think Reeves is a potential All Pro, but he's an improvement over the guys the Texans put out there last season (Hutchins & Faggins).

Considering your previous views on the Texans RB situation, I thought you were very generous in your grade. Probably more than I would be. But, I also believe that Gibbs brings the fear of the cut block into defensive fronts, and that should take the running attack to a different level (from horrible to mediocre?).

When evaluating an upcoming season, promise & potential have to be taken into consideration. Else, you just cut & paste from the previous year. And when the talk turns to potential, Amobi Okoye should be the first discussed. Okoye has the kind of quickness that is rare at his position, and difficult to simulate in practice. Kubiak has said that Amobi has had the best offseason of any Texan. I expect Okoye to become a difference maker in 2008, and help turn the Texans D-line into one of the best in the league.


Who knows what the Texans scheme will be in the secondary? They simplified things last year due to injuries, but it isn't like this is the most experienced group in the world with a high football IQ and the sort of experience that will get them some close calls by the refs.

I think Reeves is a question mark. So far what we've seen of him in his NFL career is uh, nongood. So maybe he can be coached up, but maybe not. He is a Texas guy who was who we could get but he is not someone who makes me say gee, all our problems in the defensive backs are solved.

I am not counting Dunta Robinson in the equation at all. I could be completely wrong, but if I see him coming back this year, I expect his return to be of the Kailee Wong variety--inspirational but not impactful. I hope I am totally wrong.

I think our running back group is awful. They only get this grade because 1. they could thrive under Gibbs and his track record has been good everywhere he has been; 2. I think in year 3 of the passing game, things may be opening up more for the running game.

I take promise and potential into account with both the linebacking and defensive line. But I also have to take the lack of positive track record of Richard Smith into account. Our defense has been bottom of the league awful. So improvement just gets you into the average range.

So with the defensive line, Williams and Okoye are plus factors. No real pass rush on the other side is a neg factor, plus it is hard to see the unit being schemed up to be better than they are. How do you give a solid above average grade to a unit that was so below average against both the run and the pass last year? Rosevelt Colvin hasn't had a great camp/preseason, so we are likely going to make do on the other side with a bunch of try hard guys.

With the linebackers, I love Ryans. Everybody else right now is either filler or bodies or maybe intriguing potential. I do not see Morlon Greenwood as being solid. I see him as someone that doesn't have good football sense and gives up ground. So with the linebacker rating, Ryans individually might be a 9, but everybody else is either a 5 or lower. It's hard to rank them as a group as being above average, even factoring in potential.

Potential also usually equates to young, and young often equates to learning through mistakes.

The defense has been bottom of the league bad in a lot of statistical categories and just with the eye test. Hard to grade them above average in anything. As I see it, a lot of bodies have been switched out from last year, but that they aren't necessarily much better.

Line: Williams +, Okoye +, TJ same, and a whatever on the other end.
Linebackers: Ryans healthy +, Greenwood same or worse, and a whatever on the other side.
Secondary: Bennett +, Reeves ? (could be good or bad), other guys about the same old same old, safeties garbage (either slow/old or bad football IQ).

Really, the biggest upside I see that this defense has is if the offense can chew more yards rushing and hold onto the ball, and get opposing offensives more one dimensional trying to catch up and taking advantage of that. I don't see huge improvements in talent nor am I anticipating huge improvements in scheme making players look better than they are.

Don't mean to be a buzz kill. The Texans are one of the multitude of teams in the middle of the league--they have tons more direction than a bunch of teams, quality QB play in a league where lots of teams have questions at that position. With health, breaks, and young players shining early, good things could happen. I wouldn't trade the Texans situation with too many teams in the league.

Texans_Chick
08-15-2008, 03:53 PM
TC,

I always respect your posts/threads however, I must respectfully disagree on the grades you give our OL and LB. I believe they are both too high at this point. I would give the OL a 4 with potential to be much better and I would give our LB's a 4 ONLY because of Ryans. The rest of our LB's have NEVER done diddly and, until they prove it on the field, I just can't give the group a higher grade. Now, I have hopes that Diles and Adibi can step up and bring that grade up, but gotta see more production first.

:d:

The grades aren't based on solely on last year's production, though that is a start. They are based on what I know based on last season and what changes have been made for next season and what those changes may mean.

The Texans gave up only 22 sacks last season. Their running blocking wasn't terribly consistent, but even Ron Dayne could get over 4 yards rushing through it. And they are being coached by one of the best offensive line coaches in the league so I think Gibbs' history has to be considered a big plus factor.

Ryans pulls the linebacking group to an average, slightly above average grade. If you were to make a list of linebackers in 2008 that you were going to build a defense around, Ryans would be near the top of that list. And, as far as we know, he is healthier than he was last year, so that's a plus factor. And he never leaves the field.

Honoring Earl 34
08-15-2008, 03:55 PM
Who knows what the Texans scheme will be in the secondary? They simplified things last year due to injuries, but it isn't like this is the most experienced group in the world with a high football IQ and the sort of experience that will get them some close calls by the refs.


I think football IQ was more important when the Patriots had video . After they got caught it's amazing how they started talking about needing to get more athletic .

Texans_Chick
08-15-2008, 04:00 PM
Agreed. Bennett can't be any worse than league average and we'll have Robinson for more than 1/2 the year. Safety play should be improved, even though I still don't think it's a strength.

Regardless, an improved pass rush is likely to make the secondary look better.

If the secondary keeps leaving big cushions, it doesn't matter what sort of pass rush you have if even statue QBs can get rid of the ball fast.

Signed,
Mark Brunell representing suck quarterbacks and Peyton Manning representing good quarterbacks who have destroyed the Texans secondary.


It seemed in the preseason game that the Texans played a little more press coverage, but I guess we'll see.

Texans_Chick
08-15-2008, 04:07 PM
I think football IQ was more important when the Patriots had video . After they got caught it's amazing how they started talking about needing to get more athletic .

So they signed Lynch?

They ID what players at key positions they want in the draft, and then they supplement them with high football IQ players. It's a good way to teach the new guys.

I don't think that has much to do with video.

Name the players on the Texans defense who have high football IQs and the physical ability and instinct to put that information into action. For every guy you can see taking good angles and having good fundamentals, you see more try hard guys taking bad angles, thinking too much, or just not having the athleticism to make plays. I think that comes from having years of drafts that didn't work--we are missing a lot of good guys who should be hitting their career peaks.

Honoring Earl 34
08-15-2008, 04:10 PM
If the secondary keeps leaving big cushions, it doesn't matter what sort of pass rush you have if even statue QBs can get rid of the ball fast.

Signed,
Mark Brunell representing suck quarterbacks and Peyton Manning representing good quarterbacks who have destroyed the Texans secondary.


It seemed in the preseason game that the Texans played a little more press coverage, but I guess we'll see.

I think this is why the Texans have drafted bigger corners that can also run . Bennett and Molden ( 23 reps at 225 ) have long arms on top of being 6 ft something so that will help .

Honoring Earl 34
08-15-2008, 04:18 PM
So they signed Lynch?

They ID what players at key positions they want in the draft, and then they supplement them with high football IQ players. It's a good way to teach the new guys.

I don't think that has much to do with video.

Name the players on the Texans defense who have high football IQs and the physical ability and instinct to put that information into action. For every guy you can see taking good angles and having good fundamentals, you see more try hard guys taking bad angles, thinking too much, or just not having the athleticism to make plays. I think that comes from having years of drafts that didn't work--we are missing a lot of good guys who should be hitting their career peaks.

I'd say Demeco is one of the smartest players in the league . I think Demps is pretty smart . Okoye is at least book smart and Mario is no dummy . Greenwood is said to be bright and I bet Colvin's pretty sharp . Dunta in my opinion is a smart player . Okam is said to be smart , Weaver I think graduated from ND .

I think the Pats defense will drop off like Charlie Weiss did . I think savvy vets with a hint at what's coming don't need to be as fast . Lynch may provide depth and mentor the young guy from Miami but not much else .

Texans_Chick
08-15-2008, 04:18 PM
great job, T.C. I mostly agree with your assessments. A couple of "quibbles"....

I think Richard Smith (2/3) and (to a lesser extent because he's unproven) young Shanahan (5?) bring the coaches grade down to a 6. Our only solid "9" is Marciano. The other guys are 7s.

Also, Schaub gets a 6 until shows he won't spend significant time keeping Ahman Green company on the sidelines (Manning, Brady, the old guy in New Jersey, etc. show up EVERY week - IMHO, consistency is no small part of the grade). Also, both he and Sage stop making bonehead throws into coverage they won't get higher than a 6 from me. They have "8" moments, they truly do. But they still have too many "4/5" moments to earn a solid 7.

But those are nits. (aren't they?)


Smith drags down the average. Hoke gets a semi-pass because it's not like the Texans have given him much to work with over the years and he has made the best out of it he could. Love Marciano. Love the offensive coaching staff because I believe they have shown they can improve the offense even when they really didn't add a bunch of new outstanding talent--they have a common philosophy and system and they make the most out of the players they have. Personally, I think Shanahan is a perfect coordinator for Kubiak because they think the same. Rhodes/Gibbs bumps up the average.

Overall, I think they get a very good grade because the team plays hard for them. We have no locker room chaos, and they have had to rework that locker room basically from scratch--teaching them just basic stuff about winning and preparation and expectations.

If you look around the league, I think generally the Texans have a very good coaching situation.

Schaub/Rosenfels get a good grade if you just compare the Texans situation to those around the league. I think they did remarkably well given injury to their #1 WR and the unreliable running attack. And I think they will both be better with another year under the system. List the teams you would rather have their QB situation. I think my grade is mostly a reflection of the suck QB development around the league. There are entire divisions with garbage at the QB position.

Lucky
08-15-2008, 04:25 PM
I think Reeves is a question mark. So far what we've seen of him in his NFL career is uh, nongood.
I'm not sure if Reeves' bad reputation is warranted. I know he struggled early in the season (like the Giants game), as did the rest of the Dallas defense. But, he got better as the season went along. And despite being in the league 4 years, '07 was the 1st season he saw significant playing time.

While I understand the pessimism regarding Richard Smith's track record, I think Rick Smith has earned the benefit of the doubt regarding talent acquisition. Rick had no shot at the top corners on the market, like Samuel and Hall, but a guy like Randall Gay was there. Smith went after Reeves, who I think will be a clear upgrade over what the Hutchins, Wynn, and Faggins trio contributed in '07.

Texans_Chick
08-15-2008, 04:29 PM
I'd say Demeco is one of the smartest players in the league . I think Demps is pretty smart . Okoye is at least book smart and Mario is no dummy . Greenwood is said to be bright and I bet Colvin's pretty sharp . Dunta in my opinion is a smart player . Okam is said to be smart , Weaver I think graduated from ND .



Football smart is different than IQ smart.

DeMeco though still learning, is football smart.

Demps is football smart and gets a lot out of his physical ability, but he is not a dominant player despite what name recognition pro bowl voters think.

Okoye is book smart and is willing to work hard. Have to see more to see his football smarts.

Mario Williams is an amazing physical specimen. I don't think his football smarts have caught up yet, and it is too bad he doesn't have a great player to be his mentor. But it is good that he is a learner and has shown lots of desire to improve his football skills to catch up to his physical skills.

Greenwood may know what he is supposed to do, but gee, a lot of times you don't see it on the field. He has never been a great player.

Colvin's best years are behind him physically.

Robinson is injured so his football smarts are limited to telling the other CBs stuff when they come off the sidelines.

Okam is book smart, not football smart yet.

Weaver may be football smart, but physically, his body can't do what his mind says to do. He has never been a great player.

Honoring Earl 34
08-15-2008, 04:34 PM
I'm not sure if Reeves' bad reputation is warranted. I know he struggled early in the season (like the Giants game), as did the rest of the Dallas defense. But, he got better as the season went along. And despite being in the league 4 years, '07 was the 1st season he saw significant playing time.

While I understand the pessimism regarding Richard Smith's track record, I think Rick Smith has earned the benefit of the doubt regarding talent acquisition. Rick had no shot at the top corners on the market, like Samuel and Hall, but a guy like Randall Gay was there. Smith went after Reeves, who I think will be a clear upgrade over what the Hutchins, Wynn, and Faggins trio contributed in '07.

I think in pre-season , you have two types of fans .

1. The fans that fret and worry . They're good fans because they are truly worried that their team won't be good enough and tend to grade harder . They are not surprised when we're not that good .

2. The it's all good cause it's pre-season fans . I'm probably one of these cause I just like the games , practices , and so on . I try to keep an even keel because I can't do much about it . I really go off thoutgh like 2006 against the Redskins when I realized we stink and YKW still stinks .

Texans_Chick
08-15-2008, 04:42 PM
I'm not sure if Reeves' bad reputation is warranted. I know he struggled early in the season (like the Giants game), as did the rest of the Dallas defense. But, he got better as the season went along. And despite being in the league 4 years, '07 was the 1st season he saw significant playing time.

While I understand the pessimism regarding Richard Smith's track record, I think Rick Smith has earned the benefit of the doubt regarding talent acquisition. Rick had no shot at the top corners on the market, like Samuel and Hall, but a guy like Randall Gay was there. Smith went after Reeves, who I think will be a clear upgrade over what the Hutchins, Wynn, and Faggins trio contributed in '07.

I'm not as negative about Reeves as some Cowboys fans clearly are. I just see him as a "don't know yet." I don't know if he is a clear upgrade over our revolving door of last year and I'm not going to assume that he is until I see more on the field.

I know there are significant limitations with statistics, but Pro Football Prospectus has some really unpleasant numbers with both Faggins and Reeves. Yeah, Reeves might be moving away from a defense that didn't suit his strengths, but he is also moving away from a team that had a better pass rush.

Honoring Earl 34
08-15-2008, 04:43 PM
Football smart is different than IQ smart.

You're right but I think Kubiak and Smith look for a different type of player than CC did . They like heady guys who are athletic .

I think a lot of guys that are football smart could have been book smart if they wanted to . I don't know of alot of great players who did'nt have good head on their shoulders .

Now you can say that alot of players over think . Some guys can just read and react without to much thinking . This is where the game film comes in on an evaluation ... a guy who runs a 4.1 but never makes a tackle .

Texans_Chick
08-15-2008, 04:45 PM
I think in pre-season , you have two types of fans .

1. The fans that fret and worry . They're good fans because they are truly worried that their team won't be good enough and tend to grade harder . They are not surprised when we're not that good .

2. The it's all good cause it's pre-season fans . I'm probably one of these cause I just like the games , practices , and so on . I try to keep an even keel because I can't do much about it . I really go off thoutgh like 2006 against the Redskins when I realized we stink and YKW still stinks .

I think there is only one sort of fan. Everybody perceives themselves as a realist and everybody else who disagrees with them as either optimists or pessimists. :shades:

Personally, I'm not trying to grade hard or easy. It's just what I'm thinking with the limited information I know.

Honoring Earl 34
08-15-2008, 04:50 PM
I think there is only one sort of fan. Everybody perceives themselves as a realist and everybody else who disagrees with them as either optimists or pessimists. :shades:

Personally, I'm not trying to grade hard or easy. It's just what I'm thinking with the limited information I know.

I think that I could do ok grading every team other than the Texans . I bump players up ( in my mind anyway ) cause I know that have to play that way for us to win .

Lucky
08-15-2008, 04:56 PM
I know there are significant limitations with statistics, but Pro Football Prospectus has some really unpleasant numbers with both Faggins and Reeves.
But, doesn't Pro Football Prospectus project the Texans as a playoff team? So, how bad can Reeves be if he can't stop the Texans from playing in January? :)

beerlover
08-15-2008, 04:58 PM
the definitive pre-season preview of the Houston Texans 08 football team :texans chick:

False Start
08-15-2008, 05:32 PM
Good stuff TC. I never thought such a good read could be about a teams "unit".......... :cool:

Texans_Chick
08-15-2008, 05:38 PM
But, doesn't Pro Football Prospectus project the Texans as a playoff team? So, how bad can Reeves be if he can't stop the Texans from playing in January? :)

They have magnificient intangibles. Really, I wouldn't trade the Texans current situation with many other teams. Who would you trade with for this upcoming season, and the seasons beyond?

The Texans lost for large parts of the season Schaub, Johnson, Green, Robinson, McKinney and Jacoby who had looked so promising at the beginning of the season. They depended on Flanagan and Dayne. They lost 5 of 6 in division and had an awful road record. And they still ended up finishing 8-8.

I think that looking at pieces and parts of teams often don't tell you the whole story of how a team plays together. Steady QB play, a healthy AJ, Williams-Okoye learning and improving, above average ST play could equal a nice season.

steelbtexan
08-15-2008, 06:58 PM
Great insight TC

I would give the coaching staff a 5 because Richard Smith & Dan Riley are albatrosses around this teams neck.

I noticed that you didn't include Riley in your evaluation of the coaching staff.

He is one of the most important coaches on the staff. He is the coach that's supposed to help us minimize our injury problems. Which is laughable considering his track record with the Texans.

The other grades were the most realistic I have seen anywhere. I hope Molden can step up & become the CB they think he can. Bennett keeps improving & Harrison can become the SS this team has been looking for since its inception. Wouldn't it be great if we had a fast young secondary.

I share your concerns about Reeves but thats because my ex-wifes madien name was Reeves & she was very undependable. LOL