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TigerCat Fan
12-20-2004, 06:47 AM
Hi Texas !.......Hamilton, Canada here.

We have a player on the Hamilton Tiger Cats of the Canadian Football League by the name of Tim Cheatwood who led the CFL in QB sacks last year. Apparantly he just had a tryout with the Texans. Any thoughts on Tim and his chances of not coming back to Canada?

The following link is from our discussion board about this matter.

click here (http://www.ticats.ca/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=6245)

thanks

PS. The news of this workout that Tim had came from an article in the Cleveland Plains Dealer click here (http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/roger_brown/index.ssf?/base/sports/1103452440255860.xml)

Dime
12-20-2004, 08:04 AM
Hi Texas !.......Hamilton, Canada here.

We have a player on the Hamilton Tiger Cats of the Canadian Football League by the name of Tim Cheatwood who led the CFL in QB sacks last year. Apparantly he just had a tryout with the Texans. Any thoughts on Tim and his chances of not coming back to Canada?

The following link is from our discussion board about this matter.

click here (http://www.ticats.ca/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=6245)

thanks

PS. The news of this workout that Tim had came from an article in the Cleveland Plains Dealer click here (http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/roger_brown/index.ssf?/base/sports/1103452440255860.xml)

Welcome to Texas... I would love to take this player from you... smile. We are currently developing our pass rush, but it sound this guy might be interesting to look at. :hmmm:

HJam72
12-20-2004, 08:12 AM
This is one of those things where we won't know he exists until he plays for us, and hopefully does well--I suppose. I mean this in the nicest possible way, but none of us, that I'm aware of, follow the CFL. I didn't know that team existed, but I did, of course, know about the CFL. Someone will respond eventually, I'm sure, but most of us are surprised they're looking at anyone right now with 3 games left in the season (seems like a strange time) and we don't know what to say.

He sounds like a great pass rusher. Sorry.

Oh, and we really need someone else to be our leading pass rusher, besides our CB, lol.

TigerCat Fan
12-20-2004, 08:23 AM
Well, the good news is that now you do know about the Hamilton Tiger Cats......lol...we are the second oldest professional sports franchise in the world believe it or not. Here's Tim's bio from our website and while you're in the site, go to the homepage and have a look around.......you may have to scrape the ice off the screen though because it's -23 degrees (celsius) right now in Hamilton. Brrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

We even have video clips of the players in their bios. Nice eh?

click here for Cheatwood bio (http://www.ticats.ca/index.php?module=Roster&func=display&tid=27)

I'd hate to lose Tim!!

Congrats on your win yesterday by the way!

shinerbock_girl
12-20-2004, 01:56 PM
Hey i say "we'll take him" lol....

HJam72
12-20-2004, 04:00 PM
He looks like a DE to me. We run a 3-4 defense. Where would we use this guy? Tackle? LB?

shinerbock_texas
12-20-2004, 04:13 PM
Size wise, he sounds like outside blizting linbacker.

Question regarding Cheatwood:
1) at 258 Lbs can he take on the big 325 Lbs OTs?
2) How fast is the guy to drop back in coverage and cover TEs and RBs out of the back field.

The speed of the NFL game is entirely different than the College ranks and CFL. Sorry but this is why this is the NFL. Only the biggest, baddest and fastest can survive.

texan279
12-20-2004, 04:23 PM
and Ohio State football standout Tim Cheatwood, now with Hamilton in the Canadian Football League, recently worked out for the Houston Texans and could sign with them. Cheatwood led the CFL in sacks (14) this past season and was also a league All-Star.

Does this seem odd to anyone else? We have Wong and Babin on the outside right now alternating Peek in as of late...why would we be looking at this type of player right now? Only thing I could think of is backup OLB :um: .

HJam72
12-20-2004, 04:38 PM
Any possibility they could be looking at this guy to take Foreman's position next year with Wong on the outside? Personally, I'd really like to see Wong in the middle with Peek starting outside.

texan279
12-20-2004, 04:48 PM
Wong doesn't want to play inside although I would like to see him inside but I don't see Peek starting just yet. I do like your idea of him replacing Foreman, though. Either that or we could sign Hartwell from the Ravens he will be a FA after this season.

TigerCat Fan
12-20-2004, 05:00 PM
To be honest with you, Tim had a problem lining up off-side constantly last year but keep in mind that our defence has to be 1 yard off the line of scrimmage up here in the CFL unlike the NFL where you guys are nose to nose.

I like Tim myself because of his guts and "meanness" on the field. He had a penalty for spitting on an opposing player this year as well as kicking an officials flag after it was thrown........some up here say it's a lack of discipline but I beg to differ!.........this is the sign of a guy who's 100% into winning and gets frustrated at anything less......save the finesse for the offence......I want my defence to be animals!....wolves preferably!

We in Hamilton have a tradition of mean, tough defences (historically) so if we lose Tim to you guys I'll be sad to see him go......but at the same time I'll be happy that someone else appreciates his tenacity. Man, is he fast off the end!

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texan279
12-20-2004, 05:02 PM
If you guys have to line up one yard off of the ball and he had 14 sacks last year...WOW. I don't think anyone on our team has had 14 sacks in a season yet, and we line up nose to nose, he must be hell on wheels!

TigerCat Fan
12-20-2004, 05:19 PM
If you guys have to line up one yard off of the ball and he had 14 sacks last year...WOW. I don't think anyone on our team has had 14 sacks in a season yet, and we line up nose to nose, he must be hell on wheels!

We had a weekly Tiger Cat TV show up here last season and Tim was a guest on one of the tapings......I think I recall the host asking him what his favourite meal was.......his answer was simple......QUARTERBACKS!

Please don't sign him!.......We need him back! :bowdown:

edo783
12-20-2004, 06:43 PM
Sounds like someone we should take a longer look at. Do we have a pratice squad spot open?

ledzeppelin229
12-20-2004, 06:53 PM
Wiegert is likely to be put on IR (if not already), maybe that will free up a spot for him.

HJam72
12-20-2004, 08:13 PM
Wiegert is likely to be put on IR (if not already), maybe that will free up a spot for him.

Seems to me like he'd have to gain about 40 lbs. to play at tackle.

TigerCat Fan
01-06-2005, 01:07 PM
Well, I guess I'm now a Houston Texan fan!

You just signed Tim Cheatwood!......Good for you, bad for us up here in Hamilton...sighhhhhh

Good Luck from all us Tiger Cat fans Tim!....We're gonna miss you!

click here for article on the Tiger Cat Website (http://www.ticats.ca/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2376&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0)

wags
01-06-2005, 01:13 PM
Thanks for the link.

Vinny
01-06-2005, 01:15 PM
Does this seem odd to anyone else? We have Wong and Babin on the outside right now alternating Peek in as of late...why would we be looking at this type of player right now? If you look at how Pittsburgh drafts you will see that they pursue a tweener in just about every single draft.

Double Barrel
01-06-2005, 01:24 PM
Well, I guess I'm now a Houston Texan fan!

You just signed Tim Cheatwood!......Good for you, bad for us up here in Hamilton...sighhhhhh

Good Luck from all us Tiger Cat fans Tim!....We're gonna miss you!

click here for article on the Tiger Cat Website (http://www.ticats.ca/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2376&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0)

Thanks for the heads up! :)

And welcome to the Texans family. Hope you can make it down here one day to catch a game. You will definitely be invited to many tailgating activities...so many that you probably won't be able to make most of them.

TigerCat Fan
01-06-2005, 01:42 PM
Double Barrel wrote:

"And welcome to the Texans family. Hope you can make it down here one day to catch a game. You will definitely be invited to many tailgating activities...so many that you probably won't be able to make most of them."

Gee, thanks!...I'd love to go to Texas one day !.........Your BBQ's are legendary! I'm sure you're gonna love Tim Cheatwood!......He chases Quarterbacks like he's "posessed"


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Grizzled
01-06-2005, 03:12 PM
Cheatwood is a very good CFL DE, which quite a different position than the NFL DE. In the CFL DEs have to constantly contain and chase rollout, scrambling QBs (like Garcia and Flutie), and they have to cut off very quick and fast RBs, like John Avery, Charles Roberts (from Sacramento State and still the leading rusher in Div. 1 history, I believe), and Troy Davis (who had back to back 2,000 yard seasons at Iowa State and was a two time Heisman finalist). And they have to do all this on a field that is 11.5 yards wider than an NFL field. In a game of inches, 11.5 yards is a whole lot of inches. In the CFL game, as Iím sure you can imagine, speed and quickness are much more important (relative to the NFL style game) than size and power. So a guy like Cheatwood would translate to being and NFL LB Iím sure. He played that position in college so it wonít be completely foreign to him. All this said, there have been a number of CFL DEs whoíve been able to bulk up to play DE in the NFL, Willie Whitehead and Ron Warner come to mind, but I donít think Cheatwood will be able to bulk up enough to play DE in a 3-4 scheme.

HJam72
01-06-2005, 03:17 PM
I think Jay Foreman has just lost his position at ILB.

Grizzled
01-06-2005, 03:29 PM
The usual course of events with CFL players going to the NFL is that they take a year to adjust and learn the systems and the league. You donít see too many who start in their first year. They can be effective ST players in year one, and then challenge for a starting spot in year two, or make a significant contribution, like Derick Armstrong did. Another ex-CFL DE who has started a number of games at DE in the NFL is Paul Spicer. As far as LBs go, ex-Texan Charlie Clemmons played in the CFL for 2 or 3 years, but he was a LB in the CFL too.

Grid
01-06-2005, 03:46 PM
sounds like he could be a good pickup for us.

As for him playing OLB.. if he is better than Peek or Wong.. then obviously he will start :).. Doesnt matter if we sign 50 OLBs.. we take the best ones and send the others packing.

He sounds like a speed rusher.. which means he is probably gonna line up at OLB, not ILB. Lining him up at ILB would be a waste of his speed around the corners.

I like his attitude.. we need a guy on our team who is gonna be belligerent and fired up. We dont have that now and it is hurting us.


btw nice uniforms tigercats :)

texan279
01-06-2005, 04:27 PM
Like someone else posted, maybe Foreman just lost his job if we put Cheatwood and Babin at OLB and Wong and Sharper at ILB. If this Cheatwood plays as well as he did for us as he did in the CFL and having Babin with a season under his belt and if the D line can get some push and add that to our secondary.... :heh:

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-06-2005, 04:30 PM
I think Babin and Peek will be starting at OLB next season. Cheatwood just adds depth to our linebacking corps. You can never have too many good LBs when you use the 3-4.

texan279
01-06-2005, 04:34 PM
Earlier in the season I was against Peek starting, but if the coaches think he should be one of the 2 starters then that's fine but the thing that worries me about Peek is his temper/emotion. I mean it's alright to be fired up and ready to play, but in his limited playing time this season, he had to be restrained twice from going after opposing players, I just think if he starts for an entire season, he could cost us a few 15 yarders. I hope I am wrong though.

Grid
01-06-2005, 04:35 PM
if he fires up our defense.. ill take a few 15 yarders over the course of the season. Our defense just has no spark sometimes.

texan279
01-06-2005, 04:37 PM
if he fires up our defense.. ill take a few 15 yarders over the course of the season. Our defense just has no spark sometimes.

What would a 15 yard penalty do to a defense's momentum though, if they had momentum going anyways.

Grid
01-06-2005, 04:42 PM
at least we would have momentum to ruin.

texan279
01-06-2005, 04:45 PM
That is kind of what I meant with that last part of my post.

Dime
01-06-2005, 05:11 PM
Did we sign cheatwood??? I dont see him listed anywhere...

HJam72
01-06-2005, 05:12 PM
Yes, he was just signed today, apparently.

Dime
01-06-2005, 05:22 PM
Texans | Cheatwood Signed - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:59:06 -0800

USAToday.com reports the Houston Texans signed DE Tim Cheatwood. Terms of the deal were undisclosed.

Vinny
01-06-2005, 05:30 PM
Hi Texas !.......Hamilton, Canada here.

We have a player on the Hamilton Tiger Cats of the Canadian Football League by the name of Tim Cheatwood who led the CFL in QB sacks last year. Apparantly he just had a tryout with the Texans. Nice scoop from two weeks ago. Thanks.

ArlingtonTexan
01-06-2005, 06:51 PM
Hi Texas !.......Hamilton, Canada here.

We have a player on the Hamilton Tiger Cats of the Canadian Football League by the name of Tim Cheatwood who led the CFL in QB sacks last year. Apparantly he just had a tryout with the Texans. Any thoughts on Tim and his chances of not coming back to Canada?

The following link is from our discussion board about this matter.

click here (http://www.ticats.ca/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=6245)

thanks

PS. The news of this workout that Tim had came from an article in the Cleveland Plains Dealer click here (http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/roger_brown/index.ssf?/base/sports/1103452440255860.xml)

Seriously, I am not sure of how many of these type of the Texans looked ___ post we get in a year or so and virtuely none of them actually mean anything. Thanks for the heads up and links ahead of time and we hope that he works out for us as much as for you guys.

TigerCat Fan
01-06-2005, 07:05 PM
Hey, with all due respect "Arlington Texan", if you guys have no need for a Defensive End, please call the braintrust of the Houston Texans and send Tim straight back to the Hamilton Tiger Cats....we miss him already!!

Grizzled
01-06-2005, 08:22 PM
Seriously, I am not sure of how many of these type of the Texans looked ___ post we get in a year or so and virtuely none of them actually mean anything. Thanks for the heads up and links ahead of time and we hope that he works out for us as much as for you guys.

Well, the ones Iíve discussed here are Garrick Jones and Derick Armstrong, both of whom made your team, and one of whom caught 400 yards in passes this year for you. IMO, Cheatwood is a very good athlete and a very good player. My team tried very hard to trade for him in the off season last year, and for good reason. How well he fits with your team is another matter. If he was to be essentially a rush end type of OLB then I could see him fitting in right away. He wouldnít need that much time to adjust to that role. But youíve drafted Babin and Peek in the last couple of years and you already have Wong, so where does Cheatwood fit in? Iím sure he wouldnít have signed if he didnít get at least a high 5 or low 6 figure signing bonus, so Iím sure he wasnít signed as camp fodder. Iím just not sure what the Texansí plans are for him. :hmmm:

And another player comparison would be R-Kal Truluck of the Packers, who also played in the CFL for a few years.

ArlingtonTexan
01-06-2005, 09:24 PM
Well, the ones Iíve discussed here are Garrick Jones and Derick Armstrong, both of whom made your team, and one of whom caught 400 yards in passes this year for you. IMO, Cheatwood is a very good athlete and a very good player. My team tried very hard to trade for him in the off season last year, and for good reason. How well he fits with your team is another matter. If he was to be essentially a rush end type of OLB then I could see him fitting in right away. He wouldnít need that much time to adjust to that role. But youíve drafted Babin and Peek in the last couple of years and you already have Wong, so where does Cheatwood fit in? Iím sure he wouldnít have signed if he didnít get at least a high 5 or low 6 figure signing bonus, so Iím sure he wasnít signed as camp fodder. Iím just not sure what the Texansí plans are for him. :hmmm:

And another player comparison would be R-Kal Truluck of the Packers, who also played in the CFL for a few years.

While we want a ton of bodies at that position none of them have been overly productive. Babin is too open field tackle with some moves but not polished yet. Wong is not explosive enough, but can play any LBing position. Peek is exciting and makes things happen, but those things are often as bad as they are good. Anderson has primiarily played special teams. DD Achl (sp) was on the practice squad. Cheatwood has a ton of competition, but noone here as performed well enough to have a starting position guaranteed.

From reading Cheatwood sounds more similair to Peek than anyone else that we have. Is high energy and at times bordering on too emotional on target?

Dime
01-06-2005, 10:25 PM
Well, the ones Iíve discussed here are Garrick Jones and Derick Armstrong, both of whom made your team, and one of whom caught 400 yards in passes this year for you. IMO, Cheatwood is a very good athlete and a very good player. My team tried very hard to trade for him in the off season last year, and for good reason. How well he fits with your team is another matter. If he was to be essentially a rush end type of OLB then I could see him fitting in right away. He wouldnít need that much time to adjust to that role. But youíve drafted Babin and Peek in the last couple of years and you already have Wong, so where does Cheatwood fit in? Iím sure he wouldnít have signed if he didnít get at least a high 5 or low 6 figure signing bonus, so Iím sure he wasnít signed as camp fodder. Iím just not sure what the Texansí plans are for him. :hmmm:

And another player comparison would be R-Kal Truluck of the Packers, who also played in the CFL for a few years.

There are always better players and playmakers.. Babin and Peek have shown both imo they are playmakers, but I havent seen that in Wong. I dont know what the plans are, but I like the options I am seeing.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-06-2005, 10:34 PM
Wong is solid but nothing more than that. I hope Peek replaces him next season.

Grizzled
01-06-2005, 10:40 PM
Cheatwood is a high energy guy and has real drive to get to the QB, and these are scrambling CFL style QBs Iím talking about. He took some stupid penalties this year and was involved in an incident or two, but IMO this was uncharacteristic behaviour for him. I donít remember him being involved in anything like that in the past. As I said, my team, the Roughriders, went hard after him in the off season, and we only go after character guys. Both our coach and GM (trivia on them below) are strong Christians and place a high value on character and a good team atmosphere. Derick Armstrong is a good example of the kind of players they sign. They wouldnít have gone after Cheatwood at all if they thought he was a bad actor or reckless. That said, he did get involved in a couple of surprisingly uncharacteristic incidents this year.

Trivia on Danny Barrett (coach of the Saskatchewan Roughriders) and Roy Shivers (GM of the Riders): Both of them are African American, which makes them the first African American coach and GM combo in pro-football, and Roy Shivers was, I believe, the first black GM in pro-football. (And darn good one he is too. He found Derick Armstrong when nobody even in Texas seems to have even heard of the school he went to, let alone heard of him, but you know him now, and we found out about him a couple of years before you did thanks to Roy.)

Hereís a good feature on Roy Shivers. Heís got quite a story.
http://www.cbc.ca/sask/features/shivers/images/pic-roy.jpg
http://www.cbc.ca/sask/features/shivers/
This may be of particular interest to African American posters, (who I assume must be here on this Houston Texas board), but I think it will be interesting to everyone. It was certainly shocking to me even though Iíve heard of these things before. But when you can place a face into these events, and when that face is the face of the football genius who has turned your football team around and tuned them into a top contender for the first time in almost 30 years, itís pretty shocking. Maybe this is all tired old news to you guys down there, though. I really donít know. Iím just a pasty white guy from the middle of the Canadian prairie. ;) But here it is if youíre interested, and feel free to skip it if youíre heard if all before 100 times.

TexansTrueFan
01-06-2005, 11:22 PM
i would also like to see peek take over wongs spot. Peek is just a play maker and brings emotion on the field and shows a desire to play and win. If a few 15 yards is what it takes for peek to play than so be it ! I like the sound of this Tim dude by the way !

jlshooter
01-06-2005, 11:45 PM
Hello all. Another Tiger-Cat fan here.

As sorry as I am to see us lose Mr. Cheatwood, I am happy he has found a home in the NFL.

Not to take anything away from Cheatwood, but one of the reasons he had so many sacks is because of the other D-End we have named Joe Montford. Mr. Montford had 13 sacks last year. O-Lines had to dbl team one of them which left the other one to do what they do best. It was a great combination, one that will sorely be missed.

Cheatwood is one passonate player. If you guys decide he doesn't fit your team, we will welcome him back with open arms.

SESupergenius
01-06-2005, 11:45 PM
I too would also like to see Peek take over Wongs spot, it just a natural progression for a drafted LB in his 3rd year to compete for the stating spot. But I have reservations about him being injury prone. He's been given the reigns twice now and both times hes been injured enough to miss games. Wong is at minimum a solid player for us at the ROLB spot. Not people realize this but Wong tied 7th in the league for linebacker sacks. That is a very solid performance, he's a smart player and very durable.

I'm thinking that Cheatwood would battle for a spot behind Wong or possibly replace Polk, who is up for FA. 258 pounds is definitely a RILB or ROLB.

TiCats04
01-07-2005, 04:45 AM
Hello Texas from London Ontario. You have a good one in Tim Cheatwood. Finding a spot on your roster will be tough. He brings a high spirited performance and aggressive play. We are dissapointed to lose him. Our loss is your gain.

jacquescas
01-07-2005, 05:03 AM
I dont care who starts, Cheatwood, Babin, Peek Wong, someone else, as long as they can generate more of a pass rush, i dont care what name provides it, just as long as someone gets close or to double digit sack numbers this season, if i have to cheer for cheatwood and not Wong, i can deal with that.

rittenhouserobz
01-07-2005, 05:47 AM
Maybe we are going to run a 2-5 defense in certain situations. Babin, Peek and Cheatwood all played DE. It would be even more difficult for a QB to pick up the blitz with 5 LB's to read than 4. With all the OLB's already on the Roster you have to wonder what another one is going to do.

BTW. I hope Cheatwood thaws out by spring practice. ;) We could use him when playing in GB on the "frozen tundra".

cflfan
01-07-2005, 11:07 AM
To be honest with you, Tim had a problem lining up off-side constantly last year but keep in mind that our defence has to be 1 yard off the line of scrimmage up here in the CFL unlike the NFL where you guys are nose to nose.

I like Tim myself because of his guts and "meanness" on the field. He had a penalty for spitting on an opposing player this year as well as kicking an officials flag after it was thrown........some up here say it's a lack of discipline but I beg to differ!.........this is the sign of a guy who's 100% into winning and gets frustrated at anything less......save the finesse for the offence......I want my defence to be animals!....wolves preferably!

We in Hamilton have a tradition of mean, tough defences (historically) so if we lose Tim to you guys I'll be sad to see him go......but at the same time I'll be happy that someone else appreciates his tenacity. Man, is he fast off the end!

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I came on here two years ago and said that a guy named Derrick Armstrong would surprise many. Now you guys all know about him. Tim Cheatwood is a player. I don't think we will see him starting right away, but I think he'll make the team.

nunusguy
01-07-2005, 11:50 AM
If Cheatwood pans out here, that makes him a very late bloomer in the NFL as he was born in Aug., '77 which means he turns 28 before this years regular season opener. Maybe sets the record for an NFL rookie age wise ?

JustBonee
01-07-2005, 12:14 PM
If he's that passionate and an energy driven player, let's hope he works out and is the spark the Texans need. While you are talking about him on the line, as his play in the CFL went, he was also TE at Ohio State. Might be where the Texans are looking to put him to use.

Vinny
01-07-2005, 12:16 PM
No, he is coming in to compete at the OLB.

aj.
01-07-2005, 12:47 PM
This is another in a long line of OLB candidates ala Babin, Peek, Anderson, Raheem Orr, etc. that will come through here. Some will make it - some won't. They are going to continue to bring guys like this in until they find one or two who can make an impact like a Kevin Greene, Greg Lloyd, Ricky Jackson, Pat Swilling, or Lamar Lathon.

I can't help but think of Jimmy Chitwood when I see the name.

texan279
01-07-2005, 03:35 PM
Wong is solid but nothing more than that. I hope Peek replaces him next season.

Wong had 71 total tackles, 4th most by a Texan this season, 5.5 sacks, most by any Texan this season, and 3 INT's, 3rd most by a Texan this season. Also, Wong is scheduled to make like between 4 and 6 million in '05 if I remember corectly, that is a lot of money to pay someone to warm the bench.

Grid
01-07-2005, 03:42 PM
its also a lot of money to pay someone if ya dont need them.

Peek didnt start so you cant say if he would have been better or worse.. but he sure seemed to wreak havoc when he was in.

Maybe its time for Wong to go? i like the guy but if he isnt our best ROLB.. and he wont play ILB.. and he is making between 4-6 mil.. hey.. you gotta do what you gotta do.

texan279
01-07-2005, 03:44 PM
I am not saying who would have done beter or worse, I am just saying Wong had a good season. And if we cut him or trade him, won't we still be responsible for at least part of his remaining contract?

Grid
01-07-2005, 03:55 PM
yah we would be.. i dunno how much though.. a.j. could probably tell us but I dont wanna bother him with it :). he is busy trying to dig up all the info on our current cap situation.

aj.
01-07-2005, 04:41 PM
Wong is entering the final year of his contract as is Sharper. Wong's cap number is around $4.5 million and he would be a million dollar hit (or 500k depending on when you cut him) if he was cut. But my guess is that he won't be cut. The question with Wong is whether they extend him like they did Coleman or let him go FA after this season. I know the coaches like Kailee because he's smart and versatile. My guess is that they work out some kind of three year deal. He'll be 29 in May.

Errant Hothy
01-07-2005, 10:33 PM
Maybe we are going to run a 2-5 defense in certain situations. Babin, Peek and Cheatwood all played DE. It would be even more difficult for a QB to pick up the blitz with 5 LB's to read than 4. With all the OLB's already on the Roster you have to wonder what another one is going to do.

BTW. I hope Cheatwood thaws out by spring practice. ;) We could use him when playing in GB on the "frozen tundra".

You know with enough speed rushers on teh roster, running the 2-5 or even the 3-4 with say Babin lines up as a DE with Peek as teh OLB behind him would confsue the snot out of some O-lines/QBs. It would probaly only be a viable option once or twice a game, but it would some teeth to the front 7, and we all agree that that wouldn't be a bad thing.

Question for some of teh Tiger-Cat fans; who good are y'alls DBs? I'm just still amazed that a DE canrecord 11 sacks while lining up a yard of the ball.

F-minus67
01-07-2005, 11:39 PM
what player past or present does this Cheatwood guy remind you of?

TigerCat Fan
01-08-2005, 08:19 AM
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Question for some of teh Tiger-Cat fans; who good are y'alls DBs? I'm just still amazed that a DE canrecord 11 sacks while lining up a yard of the ball.

Actually, Tim had 14 sacks last year and our other Rush End Joe Montford had 13. Maybe the i yard off the ball might help an end because it gives you a bit of room to make a move on the defensive line. But you still have to be very fast to get to the QB especially a mobile QB which most of them are up here. Doug Flutie rewrote the record books up here as did his brother Darren (who just retired a few years ago from the Tiger Cats after becoming the Tiger Cat All-Time leading receiver)

As far as the DB's are concerned, we've had some great ones in the CFL over the years. It's not an easy job up here with the wide field, mobile QBs and deep end zones. Pressure on the QB is of key importance up here. A guy like Doug Flutie can make DB's look real bad due to the time he bought himself. He still has the knack of doing that in San Diego as you people can see.

We still shake our heads at Buffalo keeping Johnson over Flutie. Terrible move!

By the way, Darren Flutie is now a Colour Commentator during the football season

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/cfl-on-cbc/bio_flutie.html

Grid
01-08-2005, 08:30 AM
Darren Flutie is now a Colour Commentator during the football season

the dreaded canadian "u"s have invaded our board! we better break out the snow shovels before the "eh"s show up :)

hehe, Flutie hasnt had near as much success in the NFL. As NFL QBs go.. he below par. Hopefully Cheatwoods speed and pass rushing abilities will translate into the NFL more smoothly.

TigerCat Fan
01-08-2005, 09:05 AM
Funny you should mention snow !

We're in the middle of a snowstorm right now :shocked

Here's a few photos of Doug Flutie (#2) during the Grey Cup in the late 90's which was played here in Hamilton during a snowstorm. He played for the Toronto Argonauts at the time. Toronto won the Cup.

http://slam.canoe.ca/GreyCup96Gallery/nov24_doug.html

http://slam.canoe.ca/GreyCup96Gallery/nov24_victory2.html

Grid
01-08-2005, 09:40 AM
that looks very cold

shinerbock_girl
01-08-2005, 04:22 PM
Double Barrel wrote:

"And welcome to the Texans family. Hope you can make it down here one day to catch a game. You will definitely be invited to many tailgating activities...so many that you probably won't be able to make most of them."

Gee, thanks!...I'd love to go to Texas one day !.........Your BBQ's are legendary! I'm sure you're gonna love Tim Cheatwood!......He chases Quarterbacks like he's "posessed"


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Thats what we need to help Peek...I bet this guy could really shake up Manning...I was wondering if he tried out for Denver, why didn't they sign him???

Supertex
01-09-2005, 11:24 AM
I have seen some footage about this guy and he is a beast. However keep in mind the competition in the CFL and NFL is quite a bit different. If we sent seth payne to the CFL I bet he would be a *Offensive Linemen of the year*. Now we gotta see what this man can do in the real league. I have a feeling he will be flat his first year but maybe be a difference maker in the following year.

Bigbadjim
01-09-2005, 12:14 PM
Hi Texans ... another Hamilton TigerCat fan here. It looks like you have a few of us interested in your team now that you have signed Tim Cheatwood. From my perspective, you have a very good rush end with lots of speed and tough as nails. I am a bit concerned with his size however. He is somewhat smaller than what you NFL'ers are used to seeing at that position. And he plays the game with a lot of intensity that often gets him into trouble with the officials.
Anyway, I wish him well in his new home. And I wish the Houston Texans well.

Bigbadjim - known as Bigjim on our own website, but it is already taken here.

Vinny
01-09-2005, 12:24 PM
He won't play the line in our scheme. He will be an OLB.

pik
01-13-2005, 04:37 PM
I have seen some footage about this guy and he is a beast. However keep in mind the competition in the CFL and NFL is quite a bit different. If we sent seth payne to the CFL I bet he would be a *Offensive Linemen of the year*. Now we gotta see what this man can do in the real league. I have a feeling he will be flat his first year but maybe be a difference maker in the following year.Another ticat fan here,that will be watching the texans this year if tim makes the team.But one thing I would like to say is our field is 110 yrds by 65 yrds, so the bigger you are the harder it is to play on a field that big, so maybe this payne guy could be off lineman of the year, but that is if he does not have a heart attack on the big field. :D

jacquescas
01-13-2005, 05:09 PM
i see him following the Peek method. Getting alot of time on special teams, and some obvious pass situations, maybe 3-5 plays a game until he proves himself.

Clark Haggans went through the same thing with the steelers and is now looking like he has won the starting job and is going to be a very good player.

texansfan88
01-19-2005, 03:36 PM
If you look on the roster for the Texans, they know have Tim Cheatwood listed as a fullback. Anyone know if this is true?

TEXANS84
01-19-2005, 04:05 PM
If you look on the roster for the Texans, they know have Tim Cheatwood listed as a fullback. Anyone know if this is true?

:hmmm: has to be a typo. That would be an interesting switch...

shinerbock_girl
01-19-2005, 05:01 PM
This will be very interesting... :hmmm:

TEXANS84
01-19-2005, 05:52 PM
Must have been a typo...he's listed here as a LB, along with 13 other Texans that were signed today:

HOUSTON - The Houston Texans announced today that they have signed the following player to future contracts:
LB Tim Cheatwood (6-4, 258, Ohio State, first season)

DE Jason Davis (6-3, 320, West Virginia, first season)

LB Anthony Dunn (6-2, 246, Northern Colorado, first season)

LB Tyreo Harrison (6-2, 238, Notre Dame, second season)
T Casey Knutson (6-4, 290, Northern State, first season)

RB Adam Matthews (5-11, 205, Northern Colorado, first season)

LB David Moretti (6-1, 235, Oregon, first season)

WR Nick Narcisse (5-10, 178, Tulane, first season)

QB Preston Parsons (6-4, 236, Northern Arizona, first season)

P Cody Scates (6-1, 205, Texas A&M, first season)

K Chris Snyder (6-0, 190, Montana, first season)

WR Allen Suber (5-9, 189, Bethune-Cookman, first season)
WR Sloan Thomas (6-1, 203, Texas, first season)

SS David Young (6-1, 211, Georgia Southern, first season)

Texans Pride
01-19-2005, 06:09 PM
Who is Tim Cheatwood? I am not familure with him at all. Can somone give an info update please?

hot pickle
01-19-2005, 06:31 PM
he is the CFL sackleader for the hamilton Tiger-Cats, someone give him a thread please, oh he is a DE, but people are talkin about him being a OLB

TEXANS84
01-19-2005, 06:56 PM
Who is Tim Cheatwood? I am not familure with him at all. Can somone give an info update please?

Refer to the start of this thread for info.
He's pretty much a CFL sack machine...edgy like Peek.

Panther5407
01-19-2005, 08:14 PM
Must have been a typo...he's listed here as a LB, along with 13 other Texans that were signed today:

Are some of these people on this list ones that weren't drafted last year like the punter from A&M?

aj.
01-19-2005, 09:07 PM
All are journeyman free agents and I don't think any were drafted except for Sloan Thomas.

Scates was with the Pats in the preseason and cut.

Davis, Dunn, Matthews, and Narcisse were all with the Texans in training camp and preseason '04 and later released. Davis, Dunn and Suber spent time on the Texans practice squad this past season.

Harrison spent time with the Eagles in '02 and '03. He was later claimed and released by the Packers in '04.

Moretti was in Browns camp in '04 and later released.

Most of these guys are camp fodder and some may be NFLE candidates. Of the guys on the list that I've seen, I've been most impressed with Anthony Dunn and Sloan Thomas.

gabe
01-20-2005, 04:58 PM
How much is known about Cheatwood's playing capabilities in the U.S.A

ginessey
01-20-2005, 06:18 PM
Does this seem odd to anyone else? We have Wong and Babin on the outside right now alternating Peek in as of late...why would we be looking at this type of player right now? Only thing I could think of is backup OLB :um: .
It doesn't seem odd at all. Wong was our sack leader with only 5.5 sacks all season. We always could use a better pass rusher

texan279
01-20-2005, 06:21 PM
It doesn't seem odd at all. Wong was our sack leader with only 5.5 sacks all season. We always could use a better pass rusher

So who do you bench, the guy who led the team in sacks last year who is scheduled to make 4.5 million this season or the guy who you traded up to get who needs another year or two on the field to learn and make his transition?

BornOrange
01-20-2005, 06:29 PM
Some of you seem to assume that Cheatwood is going to start right away.

There is a world of difference between the CFL and the NFL. Cheatwood is going to compete for a backup spot on the team and if he surprises the staff he could have a chance to compete for a starting job.

Let's not get carried away projecting him as a starter right off the bat.

texan279
01-20-2005, 06:31 PM
That is kinda what I meant in my post, but you worded it much better, thanks. :BananaWav

Texan Gal 312
01-20-2005, 08:31 PM
Wong is entering the final year of his contract as is Sharper.

This is interesting, who else is entering the final year of their contract ?
This could shed some light on which direction we go in the draft.

I can't imagine it being anything other that defense now. DL or ILB. Please spread the word that DJ didn't play that well in the Rose Bowl.

Grid
01-20-2005, 08:55 PM
Sharper is gonna break the bank.. you watch.

Grizzled
01-20-2005, 11:36 PM
How much is known about Cheatwood's playing capabilities in the U.S.A

He went to Ohio State. He started as a DB, then moved to LB then I think in his senior year was moved to DE. He had a very good year and was considered a potential draft pick, but you have to think that he was pretty raw having played only one year at DE. Also, I donít know how big he was back then. Clearly heíd been bulking up pretty dramatically throughout his college career, and I think heís put on 10 lbs or so in his time in the CFL too. So he was a marginal draft pick type guy out of college and heís improved in the CFL as well as gotten bigger. If he can adjust back to the NFL style game, which he ought to be able to do given a little time, he stands a very good chance of being a very good NFL player.

A lot of the CFL guys who go back to the NFL after a time in the CFL have a story of some sort, so in assessing them itís useful to find out what that story was. In Cheatwoodís case he seems to have done a fair bit of growing in college and only started playing DE in his Sr. year, IIRC. He continued to grow, both physically and as a player, in the CFL. I think heís a very good prospect for you now although I wouldnít predict that he starts right away. Given your depth at the position and the players who will be FAs next year, it wouldnít surprise me if they are thinking more about next year to give him a shot at starting.

Caiteag
01-21-2005, 04:12 AM
Hey guys!
Yet another Tiger Cats fan from Hamilton here!! Being a fan of both leagues, I can say that yes, the game is different, but for a guy like Cheatwood who truly is a QB's worst nightmare, I don't think the transition is going to be that tough. Sure, he may not start his first season down here.. but then again, I wouldn't rule the possibility out either. He's got speed and a whole lot of passion.

I just wanted to wish Tim and the Texans, a lot of luck next season!!

aj.
01-21-2005, 06:24 AM
who else is entering the final year of their contract ?

Notable contracts that end after the '05 season (guys with at least 3 years but less than 4 will be RFAs - guys with 4 or more years will be UFAs):

Armstrong
K Brown
Domanick
Peek
Pitts
Ragone
Sharper
R Walker
Wand
Wong

Technically, Carr's contract will also expire after '05. But before anyone panics, there's a built in option in his contract that will allow the Texans to extend him through '08 - if they choose to execute a rather large option bonus before March '06. He's now being paid like a top echelon QB so it's time for him to become a top echelon QB.

gabe
01-21-2005, 08:01 AM
How's your O-line, we had a guy out of Louisville Jonta Woodard 6-5 325 lbs. He came to our free agent camp and showed enough promise to get invited to our real camp, he then proceded to not only make the team but as a starter, he only missed 1 series of downs all year, and that was due to a faked injury. he would be an asset to any team.

nunusguy
01-21-2005, 08:58 AM
for a guy like Cheatwood who truly is a QB's worst nightmare
What if this guy, coming in out of nowhere for the price of a song & dance,
turns out to be the pass rushing phenom we were hoping Babin would be ?
Somebody would have a serious case of egg on their face.

ArlingtonTexan
01-21-2005, 09:07 AM
What if this guy, coming in out of nowhere for the price of a song & dance,
turns out to be the pass rushing phenom we were hoping Babin would be ?
Somebody would have a serious case of egg on their face.

Why? Even if Babin does not turn out to be a good football player draft mistakes are a part of the business. I applaud the Texans for contining to overturn stones to find the edge rusher. anyway, I would suspect the everyone favorite, Peek, is the one would should worry most about is job.

Lucky
01-21-2005, 09:24 AM
Notable contracts that end after the '05 season (guys with at least 3 years but less than 4 will be RFAs - guys with 4 or more years will be UFAs)
Gaffney will also eligible for UFA after the í05 season because heís met incentives to void his contract. I think the Texans will sign Jabar to an extension before that happens.

I also believe that the Texans and Carr will come to terms on a new deal after '05 that will ensure David being the Texan QB past 2010 (see McNabb, Culpepper, etc.)

TexansTrueFan
01-21-2005, 09:25 AM
why should peek worry, he was very limited to playing time, BUT when he did play he always made big plays for us

nunusguy
01-21-2005, 09:44 AM
Actually, I think Babin will be a good football player for us, but not be the pass rushing dimension this D needs so badly. But I'm convinced that's the
reason they paid so much for Babin, and they simply misjudged his abilities.
They let players who could help us in that area - the likes of Posey & Foley, slip thru their fingers (for whatever reason), and one gets the feeling we will have a deja vu situation with Peek.
Discovering the Cheatwoods is not their problem, its developing and retaining these guys after they find them.

TexansTrueFan
01-21-2005, 09:47 AM
they have let some good ones go, thats for sure.

aj.
01-21-2005, 01:21 PM
Gaffney will also eligible for UFA after the í05 season because heís met incentives to void his contract Yes, for some reason I left Gaffney off my list. There's probably other errors so feel free to pick away. That was a hastily thrown down post early this morning and I need to go back and look at it a little closer when I have more time.

As far as the subject of this thread, I heard Charley say this morning that they are going to give Cheatwood a chance at ILB as well as outside. I had it in my head that this guy was strictly an edge guy/OLB candidate.

Honoring Earl 34
01-21-2005, 02:02 PM
:howdy: How much did Cheatwoods audition cost? Is it like 3rd round money.

Porky
01-21-2005, 02:06 PM
Just an FYI on Cheatwood. Casserly said this morning that they are not sure if Cheatwood will be playing ILB or OLB. That came as a suprise to me considering his potential as a pass rusher. He said they would decide where he is naturally suited during the spring.

Vinny
01-21-2005, 02:10 PM
We need to be able to rush the passer from all 4 linebacker positions. Foreman is clearly the teams weak link here. This should be one of the key battles in camp this year.

Number19
01-21-2005, 02:34 PM
...lining him up at ILB would be a waste of his speed around the corners...
This is not necessarily so. Playing inside, his speed would allow him to drop back in pass defense and maybe excel in this responsibility. Also, it would allow an excellant up-the-middle blitz.

ArlingtonTexan
01-21-2005, 03:02 PM
Discovering the Cheatwoods is not their problem, its developing and retaining these guys after they find them.

Now, i agree greatly with that one.

bruenice
01-21-2005, 03:11 PM
I think that one of the biggest factors that the Texans need is pressure on the qb from all positions. In another thread about the 3-4 defense this was covered. I don't think that it matters a lot what your personnel is if the scheme that is used doesn't look to put pressure on the quarterback whether it be from the edge from an olb or up the middle. I think that with some of the players that the Texans have on d right now, that if they got more aggressive they would get many more sacks. When Babin and Peek, and Wong for that matter, were allowed to attack rather than drop back into coverage you saw the qb get knocked down more and have to make rush decisions when passing. You can bring in all the pass rush specialists in the world, but if you don't rush the qb it doesn't matter.

281
01-23-2005, 02:23 PM
Why is he listed as a FB on our roster list? :um:

aj.
01-23-2005, 08:12 PM
That's an oops which has been fixed.