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RED_ROOSTER
08-12-2008, 11:17 AM
Hey everyone this is my first thread here.. When Green went down with what appeared to be a groin pull of some sort Mr.Taylor stepped it up pretty well and ran consistently giving the Texans a good ground game and so did Mr. D.Walker. Rosenfels was on the mark to David Anderson who did a heckuva job catchin the ball. Jacoby on that one punt did a great job of getting away from multiple defenders but just let that :texflag: ball slip out of his possesion, but he can sure fly. Slaton did okay for his first time around, but those defenders he's going up against are sure not like they were in college and you could tell he seemed slightly intimidated but hey its his first go round, on top of that he's a small speedy back anyways and when he was in the game the Broncos knew that they were gonna go to him so it made it a little harder, but he looked good and I can't wait to see him in the special teams. Kris Brown kicked great. And as far the defense Frank Okam looked real strong and of course so did Zac Diles who was in on almost every tackle and so was Williams and Ryans, who also looked great.... The Texans look like they are going to have an even better season....

threetoedpete
08-12-2008, 11:34 AM
Welcome back. I'm waiting for the guru to unleash the backside cut blocks and let slip the dogs of war.. We'll see.

RED_ROOSTER
08-12-2008, 11:38 AM
who's the guru......? LOL

Polo
08-12-2008, 11:38 AM
Gibbs

Toro59
08-12-2008, 12:07 PM
When Green went down with what appeared to be a groin pull of some sort Mr.Taylor stepped it up pretty well and so ran consistently giving the Texans a good ground game.


I didn't see any consistency from Taylor or any of the running backs. Which isn't that bad considering it was the first preseason game.

I still believe Walker wants it more than any of the other backs, minus Slaton

valleytexfan
08-12-2008, 12:32 PM
Awesome...welcome rooster. RGV fan here too! Glad to hear there are more Texans fans in the Valley!!! :texflag:

bollocks
08-12-2008, 01:06 PM
Hey everyone this is my first thread here.. When Green went down with what appeared to be a groin pull of some sort Mr.Taylor stepped it up pretty well and so ran consistently giving the Texans a good ground game. Rosenfels was on the mark to David Anderson who did a heckuva job catchin the ball. Jacoby on that one punt did a great job of getting away from multiple defenders but just let that :texflag: ball slip out of his possesion, but he can sure fly. Slaton did okay for his first time around, but those defenders he's going up against are sure not like they were in college and you could tell he seemed slightly intimidated but hey its his first go round, on top of that he's a small speedy back anyways and when he was in the game the Broncos knew that they were gonna go to him so it made it a little harder, but he looked good and I can't wait to see him in the special teams. Kris Brown kicked great. And as far the defense Frank Okam looked real strong and of course so did Zac Diles who was in on almost every tackle and so was Williams and Ryans, who also looked great.... The Texans look like they are going to have an even better season....

I wouldn't call 19 yards in 10 runs (1.9 yards a carry) "consistency". Especially considering that one run accounts for 10 of those 19 yards. IMHO, there will be an odd man out at RB, and if Taylor can't do any better than that then it will likely be him.

gary
08-12-2008, 01:42 PM
100 rushing yards as a team isn't good.

NBT
08-12-2008, 01:56 PM
You know, it wasn't all the RB's fault. The Oline were trying out their cut blocking techniques on a defense that sees the ZBS every day in practice. Besides it was only the first preseason game. However, Ahman worries me a little, going down on the first play like he did.

gary
08-12-2008, 01:58 PM
Maybe Walker will step up.

huckdabuck
08-12-2008, 02:11 PM
You know, it wasn't all the RB's fault. The Oline were trying out their cut blocking techniques on a defense that sees the ZBS every day in practice. Besides it was only the first preseason game. However, Ahman worries me a little, going down on the first play like he did.

I could have sworn that I saw something somewhere which said that neither team was cut blocking. Can't remember which thread it was on here. Then again I could have been asleep at the wheel and just thought I saw that somewhere.

Toro59
08-12-2008, 02:32 PM
I could have sworn that I saw something somewhere which said that neither team was cut blocking. Can't remember which thread it was on here. Then again I could have been asleep at the wheel and just thought I saw that somewhere.

Yeah, I remember that as well. Not necessarily that they wouldn't do it, just that they wouldn't do it a lot because it was Denver.:thinking:

thunderkyss
08-12-2008, 02:36 PM
You know, it wasn't all the RB's fault. The Oline were trying out their cut blocking techniques on a defense that sees the ZBS every day in practice. Besides it was only the first preseason game. However, Ahman worries me a little, going down on the first play like he did.

on one of the first run plays, Owen Daniels dove to the ground, to try to cut the DE.

The DE stepped around him, as Owen went down way too early.

He also managed to cut Winston in the back of the legs(ouch) preventing Winston from getting to the second level.

I know it's bound to get better, but I was expecting to see Moe, Larry, & Curly on the back of thier jerseys.

The Pencil Neck
08-12-2008, 02:38 PM
I could have sworn that I saw something somewhere which said that neither team was cut blocking. Can't remember which thread it was on here. Then again I could have been asleep at the wheel and just thought I saw that somewhere.

It has been said.

And it's also been pointed out that cut blocking was going on.

Toro59
08-12-2008, 02:43 PM
on one of the first run plays, Owen Daniels dove to the ground, to try to cut the DE.

The DE stepped around him, as Owen went down way too early.

He also managed to cut Winston in the back of the legs(ouch) preventing Winston from getting to the second level.

I know it's bound to get better, but I was expecting to see Moe, Larry, & Curly on the back of their jerseys.

Is it just me or is the thought of Daniels or any of are O lineman diving to the ground trying to cut block not sound like an injury waiting to happen?

Maybe I don't understand the whole cut blocking tecnique...

thunderkyss
08-12-2008, 03:04 PM
I could have sworn that I saw something somewhere which said that neither team was cut blocking. Can't remember which thread it was on here. Then again I could have been asleep at the wheel and just thought I saw that somewhere.

I know they said the actual cut blocks weren't being thrown in practice, as they didn't want to hurt their own DL. During the game, you could see they were trying.

They also may have said they weren't chop blocking, which is often confused with cut blocking. Chop blocking is illegal, cheap, and will get someone hurt.


Is it just me or is the thought of Daniels or any of are O lineman diving to the ground trying to cut block not sound like an injury waiting to happen?

Maybe I don't understand the whole cut blocking tecnique...

diving to the ground isn't cut blocking. It is what they do, when they can't successfully cut an opponent.

But just like Owen dove into the backs of Winston's legs(an injury waiting to happen), that wasn't his intent.... but it happened any way. ON the backside of a run play, offensive linemen will dive to the ground, and end up rolling on the backs of the defenders legs. Again, an injury waiting to happen.

Owen had good position on the DE. I don't know why he went to the ground the way he did. All he needed to do, was stop, and impede the progress of the DE. Winston would have got to the second level, and blocked the LB that eventually got Chris Taylor as he entered the hole.

Texans_Chick
08-12-2008, 03:13 PM
I could have sworn that I saw something somewhere which said that neither team was cut blocking. Can't remember which thread it was on here. Then again I could have been asleep at the wheel and just thought I saw that somewhere.

IIRC, It was a misunderstanding from misreading an article.

That the Texans weren't using cutblocks during practice, but would during the preseason.

That Denver wouldn't mind because they are accustomed to it.

The Pencil Neck
08-12-2008, 03:23 PM
Owen had good position on the DE. I don't know why he went to the ground the way he did. All he needed to do, was stop, and impede the progress of the DE. Winston would have got to the second level, and blocked the LB that eventually got Chris Taylor as he entered the hole.

OOooohhhhh... Is that what happened on that play? Or are you talking about the play I think you're talking about?

If it's the play I think you're talking about, I thought that was a bad read by Taylor because it seemed to me that he was going to get yards without cutting back but then he cut back into a LB.

RED_ROOSTER
08-12-2008, 04:48 PM
I didn't see any consistency from Taylor or any of the running backs. Which isn't that bad considering it was the first preseason game.

I still believe Walker wants it more than any of the other backs, minus Slaton Maybe you need to watch the game again, and also you're right I forgot to mention Walker there. Darius sure did run with urgency.

HOU-TEX
08-12-2008, 04:50 PM
Here's Frye making a cut block. It appear to be successful. Dreeson and White had problems. :foottap:


http://texansbullpen.com/08photogallery/Preseason/2008-08-09-Broncos-Texans/3rdQuarter/DSC_0640.JPG

http://texansbullpen.com/08photogallery/Preseason/2008-08-09-Broncos-Texans/3rdQuarter/DSC_0641.JPG

http://texansbullpen.com/08photogallery/Preseason/2008-08-09-Broncos-Texans/3rdQuarter/DSC_0642.JPG

GuerillaBlack
08-12-2008, 06:37 PM
100 rushing yards as a team isn't good.

Yes it is. When you have like five different guys running the ball, and none getting starter carries, it's pretty good.

thunderkyss
08-13-2008, 12:13 PM
on one of the first run plays, Owen Daniels dove to the ground, to try to cut the DE.

The DE stepped around him, as Owen went down way too early.

He also managed to cut Winston in the back of the legs(ouch) preventing Winston from getting to the second level.

I know it's bound to get better, but I was expecting to see Moe, Larry, & Curly on the back of thier jerseys.

Sorry guys, it was Dressen who flopped on the ground, not Owen.

KEYE SUX
08-13-2008, 12:22 PM
Yes it is. When you have like five different guys running the ball, and none getting starter carries, it's pretty good.

Taylor had a significant amount of carries considering it was a preseason game. He did not look overly effective but Denver was stacking the box a little. Winston said that in a real game we would have gone to the pass earlier. Coach wanted some reps on the ZBS and thats what he got. Am I happy with 100 yards? NO. But realize that the Broncos knew that we were going to try and run and the see the ZBS everyday in practice

gary
08-13-2008, 01:15 PM
What it comes down to is we need a true starting RB and I don't think it's Green and Taylor really did not prove much either though the Broncos were stacking the box. I did not say 100 yards was all bad since in that game there were five RBs and no true starter but this season there might be a game where a couple of guys get used if Green is out and 100 yards isn't going to be enough yards all the time to win the game. Is it?

GuerillaBlack
08-13-2008, 01:41 PM
Taylor had a significant amount of carries considering it was a preseason game. He did not look overly effective but Denver was stacking the box a little. Winston said that in a real game we would have gone to the pass earlier. Coach wanted some reps on the ZBS and thats what he got. Am I happy with 100 yards? NO. But realize that the Broncos knew that we were going to try and run and the see the ZBS everyday in practice

I think Cincy's last preseason game had one of the highest rushing yards in the preseason game that week, and they had 137 yards.

gary
08-13-2008, 01:59 PM
But they will fix that once the season is here with our RB the problem may linger into the season.

barrett
08-13-2008, 02:05 PM
unless someone "steps up". i'm tired of hearing about our running backs and waiting for one of them to "step up".

gary
08-13-2008, 02:11 PM
That probably won't happen this year unless Walker does.

Thorn
08-13-2008, 05:46 PM
I've resigned myself to another year of running back by committee. Last year we ran an average of 99 yrds per game, putting us at 22nd in the league. Minnesota was 1st with 164 yrds per game. If, by using the running back my committee we can add another 15 yds per game, it'll put us in the middle of the pack of the NFL (as per 2007 that is).

Until we get a real RB I'm not going to realisticly hope for anything else.

gary
08-13-2008, 05:53 PM
Agreed.