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TexanSam
08-11-2008, 10:13 PM
Lance Z had this to say about the Texans wide receivers

http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2008/08/post_59.html
David Anderson played great and showed toughness over the middle and after the catch and certainly resembled a poor man's Wes Welker, but with a mullet and a lightning bolt shaved in the side of his head. Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter and Andre Davis are all locks and my guess is that D. Anderson (coaches favorite) is headed in that direction as well.

The part that got me though was what he said about Jacoby

I'm guess that Jacoby Jones has a spot locked down as well, but should he? Too many people around town see him "enjoying life" a little too frequently at the clubs and he needs to show that he is going to bring something to the table other than a guy who might be good as a punt returner. I know it is only year two, but Jacoby needs to become a PRO. This is easily the deepest group of WRs the Texans have ever had and if André Davis could return punts then I don't know that it would be crazy to keep a guy like Tim Carter or even Harry Williams.

I'd never heard that about Jacoby Jones. I hope his head is focused on football.

Ole Miss Texan
08-11-2008, 10:26 PM
I think he's in the process of realizing he has to grow up and mature. He's in the big leagues now. With that said, he has a ton of potential and he is not a poor character guy. I don't see any reason why we should cut him. I think he is going to take some time to develop as a WR and we knew this drafting him out of Lane College. Give him another 1-2 seasons and I think he and AJ are going to be on the same field consistently, and defenses will hate it.

Even at this point, there isn't a WR below Jacoby on the depth chart I would keep in place of JJ. But he does need to go through a little more maturing.

painekiller
08-11-2008, 11:07 PM
My nephew see's Jacoby on the town on a regular basis, he also see's Studdard alot.

I know it is hard to be young and handed a large sack of money. But that gravy train will come to a halt real fast for Jacoby if he doesn't start showing the results of the coaching he is getting.

I know coach Joe does not teach running backwards, and he is not that fast...

BTW, I want him to succeed, he seems to be a good kid, just a little misdirected right now.

TheRealJoker
08-11-2008, 11:12 PM
Needs to work on ball security. He cost us the 2nd Tacks game with a muffed punt and he coughed it up with that ridiculous play on Saturday. The quickest way into Kubes' doghouse is to turn the ball over.

stingray
08-11-2008, 11:13 PM
Jacoby has to prove something this year. He seems to dance alot with no defining moves. The NFL is not like the NBA, you are not guaranteed a future..

gtexan02
08-11-2008, 11:21 PM
This city has gotten cut happy. One mis-step and we want to release guys.

Newsflash: We aren't that deep

Our competition has seriously increased, but I don't think we are at a place on this team where we can cut a guy like JJ because he fumbled once during preseason. He has insane talent and is in his second year. Lets give him some time

TheRealJoker
08-11-2008, 11:25 PM
I dont think too many people actually WANT him cut. He's probably the 2nd most talented WR on the roster to AJ. But as far as being a pure WR is concerned he's our 5th best. Personally, i'm not expecting him to become a # 2 overnight, but getting better at the basics like ball control would definately be nice.

Plus hearing that he's a bit of a party animal isn't so nice to hear. I think he also got hit with a DUI this offseason. The NFL has enough talented players, the ones with maturity issues rarely last long unless they are able to get that under control. Look at a guy like Chris Henry, he's extremely talented but where is he now? Not comparing JJ's off field behavior to Henry in the least but lets just say i'd like to see AJ's work ethic rub off on him a bit more.

stingray
08-11-2008, 11:30 PM
This city has gotten cut happy. One mis-step and we want to release guys.

Newsflash: We aren't that deep

Our competition has seriously increased, but I don't think we are at a place on this team where we can cut a guy like JJ because he fumbled once during preseason. He has insane talent and is in his second year. Lets give him some time

I ain't disagreeing with you on the time factor. But you know what the NFL stands for, NOT FOR LONG.. I think he will be allright.. He just needs to focus. He needs to bring something else to the table besides, "talent". Talent can only get you so far.

The Pencil Neck
08-11-2008, 11:36 PM
When did this become a society where we tell people in their 20's not to party?

Now... hopefully he's being reponsible and not driving around under the influence but I think it's a bit crazy to ask rich young men not to have some fun occasionally (and I don't even drink or anything.)

TheRealJoker
08-11-2008, 11:37 PM
When did this become a society where we tell people in their 20's not to party?

Now... hopefully he's being reponsible and not driving around under the influence but I think it's a bit crazy to ask rich young men not to have some fun occasionally (and I don't even drink or anything.)

Occasionally is quite alright, its when you do it in excess and you aren't taking care of business at your job that it becomes a problem.

stingray
08-11-2008, 11:44 PM
When did this become a society where we tell people in their 20's not to party?

Now... hopefully he's being reponsible and not driving around under the influence but I think it's a bit crazy to ask rich young men not to have some fun occasionally (and I don't even drink or anything.)

I agree with you 100%, but I think there is a difference between the athletes who party now and who partied years back. The athletes who partied before, especially between the 60's and 80's, had an impeccable work ethic, because the money was not guaranteed. Many athletes now, have money already in their pockets and their will weakens. I also think that the competition is much greater now than years before and therefore talented athletes can lose there jobs if they don't put in the work.

Texan JBZ
08-12-2008, 12:13 AM
Hey Texan Sam, what LZ said about Jacoby is true. I don't go out to nightclubs regularly, but when I do I go to more upscale places. And it never fails that I see Jacoby Jones on the scene. I can count at least three different places I've seen him at on three different nights of the week right off the top of my head. Dude likes to get his party on for real.

ObsiWan
08-12-2008, 12:57 AM
I agree with you 100%, but I think there is a difference between the athletes who party now and who partied years back. The athletes who partied before, especially between the 60's and 80's, had an impeccable work ethic, because the money was not guaranteed. Many athletes now, have money already in their pockets and their will weakens. I also think that the competition is much greater now than years before and therefore talented athletes can lose there jobs if they don't put in the work.
I don't think younguns party any more or less now than they did in earlier decades. How many times did Pastorini get into car wrecks in the 70s? How many athletes did we hear about doing coke in the 80s?

And being out and about myself in those days (late-70s, 80s, and even the early 90s), I would see Oilers and Rockets at the Houston hot spots all the time. Coming from being pretty much broke and from Po-Dunk (Jackson), Tenn. to metropolitan H-Town with big money in his jeans and thousands of ways to spend it without going a little crazy takes maturity. And Jacoby doesn't have the steadying support system that, say, Amobi does. I'm not surprised he's going a bit buckwild....

I think Jacoby needs a wake-up call regarding how secure his spot on this team is.

Maybe if Slaton were move up to the #1 PR guy and Anderson move up to #5 WR leaving JJ on the bubble... just for the next couple of preseason games.... you know, to wake him up.

aj.
08-12-2008, 06:04 AM
I don't care what he does on his own time as long as he's not breaking the law, but on the field he needs to get himself under control and learn how to run with the ball without flailing it around like he's Michael Jackson dangling a kid out of a window.

I love the attitide that he wants to score a TD every time he touches the ball but sometimes discretion is the better choice rather than trying to make something out of nothing every time. He should know by now that this is the NFL and you can't beat those guys around the corner as easily as at Lane. There's greatness in his future if he works at it but right now he's kind of in a 'Jacoby giveth and Jacoby taketh away' mode. Let's hope that he settles down on the field and dedicates himself to being a pro's pro, because no one is doubting his physical skills - but that can only take you so far.

Brandon420tx
08-12-2008, 08:27 AM
I didn't think the blocking was too great on Jacobys fumble punt. Maybe someone can take a look at that again. Its no reason to dance with the ball (although I thought his moves were sweet)

Maybe its one of those blocking schemes designed to lay people out as the returner starts going forward and they have to backtrack/go sideways to get into position

nunusguy
08-12-2008, 09:08 AM
So far JJ is still riding on his preseason performance from his rookie year. And durability became an issue last year, and his ability to hold onto the ball is still a serious issue.
I seriously doubt they'd consider cutting him this year, only his second after being our #2 pick behind Okoye in 2007, but I'd think the grace period ends for sure in 2009.

bigbrewster2000
08-12-2008, 09:14 AM
I didn't think the blocking was too great on Jacobys fumble punt. Maybe someone can take a look at that again. Its no reason to dance with the ball (although I thought his moves were sweet)

Maybe its one of those blocking schemes designed to lay people out as the returner starts going forward and they have to backtrack/go sideways to get into position

There are no blocking schemes on a punt return where the Punt Returner is supposed to move sideways or backwards. especially not backwards. A punt returner is simply supposed to get underneath the ball, secure the ball, then run forward and find the seam. Thats it. Running backward or sideways on a punt is an absolute no-no. That was all Jacoby.

Malloy
08-12-2008, 09:28 AM
I don't care what he does on his own time as long as he's not breaking the law, but on the field he needs to get himself under control and learn how to run with the ball without flailing it around like he's Michael Jackson dangling a kid out of a window.

I love the attitide that he wants to score a TD every time he touches the ball but sometimes discretion is the better choice rather than trying to make something out of nothing every time. He should know by now that this is the NFL and you can't beat those guys around the corner as easily as at Lane. There's greatness in his future if he works at it but right now he's kind of in a 'Jacoby giveth and Jacoby taketh away' mode. Let's hope that he settles down on the field and dedicates himself to being a pro's pro, because no one is doubting his physical skills - but that can only take you so far.

Spot on! :)

Buffi2
08-12-2008, 10:25 AM
I have a feeling that Kubiak gave JJ a little talk at some point after that game. It was obvious that Kubiak was less than happy with JJ's little rabbit run around the field before losing the ball. I'm hoping the old talk from the coach trick causes JJ to start taking care of business on the field without trying to make every touch of the ball into a front page headline.

The partying notwithstanding, JJ's appears to have a very strong desire to be the star. He just hasn't figured out quite how to do that. He is a bit :winky: cocky and the coaches should be able to channel that into more productive behavior. This is going to take a bit of tough love, imo.

For sure, he is one talented kid, but a work in progress. I just hope he doesn't decide he knows best and go down the road of other talented players who are no longer playing. That would be such a waste.

RED_ROOSTER
08-12-2008, 11:21 AM
The city streets of Houston, millions of dollars and fame can really make you lose focus.... Houston is just like that..but its up to him, whether or not he really wants to win big or just wants his pay check and to make some fancy moves...He's probably just going thru a phase, hell I know I would probably do the same thing for a little while if I had it like that, so give the man a chance..

Texan_Bill
08-12-2008, 11:27 AM
I have no problems with him going out and partying as long as he doesn't drink and drive..

:thinking: Oh wait, he was busted.

threetoedpete
08-12-2008, 11:29 AM
My nephew see's Jacoby on the town on a regular basis, he also see's Studdard alot.

I know it is hard to be young and handed a large sack of money. But that gravy train will come to a halt real fast for Jacoby if he doesn't start showing the results of the coaching he is getting.

I know coach Joe does not teach running backwards, and he is not that fast...

BTW, I want him to succeed, he seems to be a good kid, just a little misdirected right now.

Now you can argue whether or not the luv ya Blue guys were any good or not. One thing you can't argue is whether or not they partied. Max Magee proved in Super bowl II, partying and football excellence aren't mutually exclusive. J.J. f0lks up because he's young and inexperienced. Sobriety has nothing to do with it.

BornOrange
08-12-2008, 04:54 PM
Now you can argue whether or not the luv ya Blue guys were any good or not. One thing you can't argue is whether or not they partied. Max Magee proved in Super bowl II, partying and football excellence aren't mutually exclusive. J.J. f0lks up because he's young and inexperienced. Sobriety has nothing to do with it.
There is no argument. Any team that gets to consecutive conference championship games by winning two road games both years is pretty good.

KEYE SUX
08-12-2008, 06:10 PM
The quickest way into Kubes' doghouse is to turn the ball over.

The doghouse must have been packed full of TEXANS last year

TheRealJoker
08-12-2008, 06:35 PM
The doghouse must have been packed full of TEXANS last year

One would think that considering that was the team he was coaching.

TexansLucky13
08-12-2008, 06:37 PM
Don't get me wrong... I'm a big Jacoby homer... but he will not make the roster if he doesn't shape up. That's just the cold dead truth.

As Lance pointed out, our depth at WR is unreal. With Anderson looking like an all-star, JJ will need to step it up a notch or be left behind.

Joe Texan
08-12-2008, 07:11 PM
He has to get some glue for those hands or he is going to be looking for a job, maybe not this year but he will have numbered days if he continues to give the other team the ball in our territory.

Thorn
08-12-2008, 07:42 PM
JJ had boatloads of talent, but is a tad short on maturity. If that can be fixed, he'll be a hell of a football player.

gary
08-12-2008, 07:42 PM
He has to get some glue for those hands or he is going to be looking for a job, maybe not this year but he will have numbered days if he continues to give the other team the ball in our territory.In other words hang onto the football?

CloakNNNdagger
08-12-2008, 08:02 PM
I have no problems with him going out and partying as long as he doesn't drink and drive..

:thinking: Oh wait, he was busted.

I don't know how many may remember this off season incident of DUI (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5627660.html)........somewhat humorous if you can see past the seriousness of the situation:


Houston Texans wide receiver Jacoby Jones was asleep behind the wheel, car in drive, with his foot on the brake when officers approached to arrest him on a charge of suspicion of drunken driving Sunday, prosecutors said Monday.

Jones, the Texans' third-round draft pick last year, was in the driver's seat of his late-model Nissan Altima while stopped in a traffic lane at Chartres and West Gray near downtown, prosecutors said Monday.

Jones posted bail after being arrested early Sunday morning, Assistant District Attorney Douglas Richards said.

Jones' attorney, Chip Lewis, said the football player had not been drinking around the time he was arrested.

He said he may have had one drink earlier in the day.

"I'm confident we'll get to the bottom (of it)," Lewis said.

Houston police approached Jones, 23, about 3 a.m. after motorists alerted them, Richards said. He said a breath test showed Jones' blood-alcohol content was 0.13. A motorist is legally intoxicated when his blood-alcohol level is 0.08 or above.

Jones was not involved in an accident, Richards said. He said an HPD officer specializing in DWI arrests tried to wake Jones up, then got in on the passenger side and put the car in park before waking him.

"It can be very dangerous for officers," Richards said. "Most people are startled when they are woken up by the police and realize they are still driving."

Richards said Jones was cooperative and seemed remorseful. He was taken into custody and charged with driving while intoxicated. The bail, set at $500, was paid later Sunday morning.

Lewis said Jones was stopped safely and was wearing his seat belt when officers found him.

BornOrange
08-12-2008, 09:55 PM
At least he was wearing his seatbelt.

pappy
08-12-2008, 09:58 PM
Needs to work on ball security. He cost us the 2nd Tacks game with a muffed punt and he coughed it up with that ridiculous play on Saturday. The quickest way into Kubes' doghouse is to turn the ball over.

It is the quickest way into my dog house as well although i am not a coach my opinion still counts .:pirate:

hellbentforfootball
08-13-2008, 12:49 AM
" I know it is only year two, but Jacoby needs to become a PRO."

Check that! He needs to becomes a pro's pro kinda similar to AJ.
Don'tchya think.

Señor Stan
08-13-2008, 01:06 AM
Jones feeling the heat (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5940338.html)

Added Kubiak in a sterner tone: “We’re going to change him. We’re tired of talking about it. We’ve been teaching softly, and now it’s going to get a little harder. He’s still swinging the ball around, and we can’t have that.

“The bottom line is he’s not going back there anymore if he turns the ball over.”



Let's hope Jacoby gets the message.