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Shaft75
08-11-2008, 12:54 AM
I hate to neg everyone out and I also know that it's been one game, but I was not impressed with this guy's play. He was out of position a couple of times last night and it seemed like everytime a big gain was made by the Broncos it was on his side. I am almost wanting Faggins out there with the 1's.

He was soooo blocked on the Cutler td, by a ROOKIE wr. I mean come on. I think there was two times he gave up a completion with decent coverage, but it didn't seem like he wanted to try and bat the ball down. He just seems like Faggins part two to me at this point.

I didn't want to post this after the training camp practices, but now that I have seen him play badly in a game situation I feel that I can express my concerns.

barrett
08-11-2008, 01:13 AM
i disagree. i thought he had some positives. did you see the angle faggins took on that backside run? yuk.

dtran04
08-11-2008, 01:21 AM
I think I'll let someone play more than a couple of series before crucifying them.

barrett
08-11-2008, 01:59 AM
and he didn't even play that poorly.

TK_Gamer
08-11-2008, 08:02 AM
personally I think fletcher will take the job early and molden will take it later so I don't really sweat it.

Hervoyel
08-11-2008, 08:11 AM
Reeves is going to win the annual "Matt Stevens" award which goes to the player who gets to bear the largest share of fan anger in the secondary every year. "Petey" Faggins has won it every year since Philip Buchanon left the team but his run will come to an end this year as Jacque Reeves takes his spot (until Antwan Moldon is ready) and becomes the 2008 goat of choice.

He is a very ordinary CB who is at best just a couple of notches higher on the pecking order than Petey. They had to do something though and their options were pretty limited. It's not like they wanted to start the year with Petey or a rookie CB playing opposite of Bennett.

Shaft75
08-11-2008, 08:15 AM
i disagree. i thought he had some positives. did you see the angle faggins took on that backside run? yuk.

I was watching the game when I started this thread. I saw his poor play with my own eyes at the game and on film. I encourage you to rewatch the Broncos second drive, when Cutler scored. The dude definitely shouldn't be starting IMO.

Texan_Bill
08-11-2008, 08:17 AM
Shaft, I wouldn't single out just Reeves. No one person impressed me all that much in the secondary. There were plays made here or there - sure, but I saw a lot of open receivers.

Not going to panic, though. Two weeks of practice and first game so plenty of time to sort things out and get it right.

Mike Kerns
08-11-2008, 08:17 AM
Ill give him more time than one preseason game. I dont expect much from him to be honest, but we shall see. If he blows, we got some young talent that can slide right in and not really do any worse, right?

Texans_Chick
08-11-2008, 08:20 AM
Reeves is going to win the annual "Matt Stevens" award which goes to the player who gets to bear the largest share of fan anger in the secondary every year. "Petey" Faggins has won it every year since Philip Buchanon left the team but his run will come to an end this year as Jacque Reeves takes his spot (until Antwan Moldon is ready) and becomes the 2008 goat of choice.

He is a very ordinary CB who is at best just a couple of notches higher on the pecking order than Petey. They had to do something though and their options were pretty limited. It's not like they wanted to start the year with Petey or a rookie CB playing opposite of Bennett.

Post of the month.

This is the least experienced group of cornerbacks the Texans have ever run out on the field. Though some show promise, this season could be a brutality on the backend. Of course, we are pretty much used to this since the departure of Glenn for being an old guy.

This secondary is going to get zero calls in their favor. Less than zero against a Manning Colts.

The only hope is that Ray Rhodes sprinkles some magic secondary dust that instantly improves all of the secondary's football IQ.

gtexan02
08-11-2008, 08:20 AM
Bennett + Molden + Reeves + Faggins + Fletcher (he looked good) + (hopefully) Drob eventually

We should be able to find 2 starters in there somewhere

Shaft75
08-11-2008, 08:21 AM
I think I'll let someone play more than a couple of series before crucifying them.

Reread what I wrote man. I said that I wanted to post this in preseason, BUT I wanted to see him in game action before I, as you put it, crucified him.

Look, I watched him with the Cowgirls, I watched him at practice, and now I have seen some game action. After all of those I never came away thinking that this guy should be our starter. Never.

threetoedpete
08-11-2008, 09:56 AM
He's a tampa II CB. As long as he isn't asked to man up speed, and he's droping off, he'll be ok. it would of been nice in the first round to get Talib & Stewart & Duane Brown....under the circumstances I think they did a superb job of filling four holes with the two original high picks. I've got no regrets and can live with Reeves for half a season.

Chance_C
08-11-2008, 10:09 AM
He's a tampa II CB. As long as he isn't asked to man up speed, and he's droping off, he'll be ok. it would of been nice in the first round to get Talib & Stewart & Duane Brown....under the circumstances I think they did a superb job of filling four holes with the two original high picks. I've got no regrets and can live with Reeves for half a season.

Great post...

YoungTexanFan
08-11-2008, 09:49 PM
Reeves is not a starting CB on most teams, but when he was signed, it was almost a desperation move. He is a solid CB that won't do anything special and will give up some plays. He isn't worth close to what he is being paid, but as someone (KT? Cak?) pointed out, he has a contract that is friendly to terminate early. I have no problems with him on the team for now. Don't compare any NFL CB to Faggins.

A Texan
08-11-2008, 11:19 PM
He's a tampa II CB. As long as he isn't asked to man up speed, and he's droping off, he'll be ok. it would of been nice in the first round to get Talib & Stewart & Duane Brown....under the circumstances I think they did a superb job of filling four holes with the two original high picks. I've got no regrets and can live with Reeves for half a season.
Actually, what the Texans liked about Reeves was his speed and his proficiency playing in a man defense. They didn't really care that he had problems when he was in a zone with the Cowboys because the Texans dont use zone normally.http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5924504.html

TheRealJoker
08-11-2008, 11:27 PM
I thought he had some good and bad spots in his PT Saturday. He's not Dunta but he's not Petey either so that's an upgrade. I'd like to see more of Molden in the next game, I hope he can have a season similar to Bennet's rookie season. If he can do that all this worry over Reeves starting should be moot.

ObsiWan
08-12-2008, 01:20 AM
Post of the month.

This is the least experienced group of cornerbacks the Texans have ever run out on the field. Though some show promise, this season could be a brutality on the backend. Of course, we are pretty much used to this since the departure of Glenn for being an old guy.

This secondary is going to get zero calls in their favor. Less than zero against a Manning Colts.

The only hope is that Ray Rhodes sprinkles some magic secondary dust that instantly improves all of the secondary's football IQ.

And to think that we had one of the best sets of CBs in the NFL 2002-2004 in Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman....

kravix
08-12-2008, 11:55 AM
He was soooo blocked on the Cutler td, by a ROOKIE wr. I mean come on. I think there was two times he gave up a completion with decent coverage, but it didn't seem like he wanted to try and bat the ball down. He just seems like Faggins part two to me at this point.



Are you talking about the TD run? Look at the film again.. The OLB messed that play up, he bit on the run fake to the right and dropped his outside containment.

Had Reeves droped his man to run down, Cutler probably would have thrown the TD before he hit the line and you would be complaining about piss poor coverage. Once Cutler broke the line and couldnt pass the chances of him not getting in were pretty slim.

RED_ROOSTER
08-12-2008, 12:01 PM
Yea I didn't much care for him when he was in Dallas, and that's exactly why Dallas traded him... Now he can always improve and I hope he does for the Texans sake...

threetoedpete
08-12-2008, 12:06 PM
Actually, what the Texans liked about Reeves was his speed and his proficiency playing in a man defense. They didn't really care that he had problems when he was in a zone with the Cowboys because the Texans dont use zone normally.http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5924504.html

I don't care what they say, they've been running a tampa two here for four years. The reason they don't blitz more is because the back side corner absolutly sucks , and has sucked for four years. Danta is good in press coverage. He is not great. When you've got LBs who can't get there and corners who can't man up the only option you have is to run the Tampa two. I don't care who says we're not. From what I saw Saturady night, Reeves isn't going to be able to match up with any of the WR we see the first five weeks in press coverage. They can certainly try it of course. Not going to work but they can run it.

Shaft75
08-12-2008, 02:53 PM
Are you talking about the TD run? Look at the film again.. The OLB messed that play up, he bit on the run fake to the right and dropped his outside containment.

Had Reeves droped his man to run down, Cutler probably would have thrown the TD before he hit the line and you would be complaining about piss poor coverage. Once Cutler broke the line and couldnt pass the chances of him not getting in were pretty slim.

WHAT?! Cutler was already past the line of scrimmage, and CC had already provided his help over the top. I DVR'd the game and was there to see it happen, so I don't need to rewatch nada:cowboy1: .

I am clearly not a complainer when it comes to the players on our team, let's just get that straight. BUT, I don't think Reeves was a good acquisition.

I hope he proves me wrong!:texflag:

Texan_Bill
08-12-2008, 02:58 PM
WHAT?! Cutler was already past the line of scrimmage, and CC had already provided his help over the top. I DVR'd the game and was there to see it happen, so I don't need to rewatch nada:cowboy1: .

I am clearly not a complainer when it comes to the players on our team, let's just get that straight. BUT, I don't think Reeves was a good acquisition.

I hope he proves me wrong!:texflag:

Dude what are you doing????

http://www.texansbullpen.com/08photogallery/Preseason/2008-08-09-Broncos-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_0964.JPG

nunusguy
08-12-2008, 03:39 PM
The Reeves signing reminds me of the Jordan Black signing last year. Just like at LT in 2007, with Dunta out the Texans are so thin at corner for 2008, they were desperate for starting experience from somebody, anybody that they could sign.

Shaft75
08-12-2008, 03:59 PM
Dude what are you doing????

http://www.texansbullpen.com/08photogallery/Preseason/2008-08-09-Broncos-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_0964.JPG

Dancing??? About to chunk my beer on someone??? It was late in the game, right?

Shaft75
08-12-2008, 04:00 PM
The Reeves signing reminds me of the Jordan Black signing last year. Just like at LT in 2007, with Dunta out the Texans are so thin at corner for 2008, they were desperate for starting experience from somebody, anybody that they could sign.

Thank you!

The Pencil Neck
08-12-2008, 06:05 PM
The Reeves signing reminds me of the Jordan Black signing last year. Just like at LT in 2007, with Dunta out the Texans are so thin at corner for 2008, they were desperate for starting experience from somebody, anybody that they could sign.

And because of Jordan Black's wealth of experience, wonderful mentorship, and insightful commentary during film study and in the meeting room, we were able to cut our sacks to 22.



:jk:

ubecool454
08-12-2008, 07:59 PM
Bennett + Molden + Reeves + Faggins + Fletcher (he looked good) + (hopefully) Drob eventually

We should be able to find 2 starters in there somewhere

The guy I like more than Reeves and Faggins is Roberson. He might make this team just because of his special teams play. I know I am pulling for him.

DBCooper
08-12-2008, 08:26 PM
1 preseason game.

No game planning.

New team.


Give the guy at least until a couple of games into the season before you run him outa town on a rail.

beerlover
08-12-2008, 09:52 PM
The Reeves signing reminds me of the Jordan Black signing last year. Just like at LT in 2007, with Dunta out the Texans are so thin at corner for 2008, they were desperate for starting experience from somebody, anybody that they could sign.

everyone knew Dunta was down & the Texans needed CB help. it was easier to address CB than it was LT which allowed Rick flexability draft day, trading down, getting a starting LT plus adding much needed RB depth. Not to mention they said all along Reeves has the long speed/size to play man coverage. I have/had no problem whatsoever with his aquisition to this team.

Hervoyel
08-12-2008, 11:00 PM
We all need to just take a deep breath and say to ourselves "No matter how bad this guy is he can't possibly be worse than Phillip Buchanon was in 2005.

We've seen the elephant people. Jacques Reeves is nothing to worry about.

fikster
08-16-2008, 08:52 PM
Is there any hope that we can get someone in a trade or that may get cut that can help us out in depth at corner? Jacque Reeves looks like the sequel of Faggins last year and it is a little concerning.

gtexan02
08-16-2008, 08:56 PM
He is still new in our system and this is the preseason. Lets give him some time. He's been staying step for step with the receivers, he just needs to locate the ball more quickly

fikster
08-16-2008, 09:04 PM
i understand the new system, but coveraging a guy and locating the ball should be a fundamental part of his game at this point. Don't you think the Cowpokes gave him up pretty easily because he couldn't cover there either. What i am seeing is a lack of fundamentals, Phillip Buchananish.

WWJD
08-16-2008, 09:06 PM
i understand the new system, but coveraging a guy and locating the ball should be a fundamental part of his game at this point. Don't you think the Cowpokes gave him up pretty easily because he couldn't cover there either. What i am seeing is a lack of fundamentals, Phillip Buchananish.

The Cowboys didn't want him and that was a need on the team...just sayin...

Brandon420tx
08-16-2008, 09:16 PM
He's looked bad against Bush, and thats it.

Bush threw him down, but Reeves forced him out.

Bush gets a swing, and hurdles Reeves, Reeves put his head down to make the hit, should have kept his eyes up, but oh well.

J-Russ
08-16-2008, 10:18 PM
I feel bad for this dude. He pretty much got shatted on by Bush the entire first half.

sidenote: Bush looks like the same player he was back from the USC today. He far from a bust.

New_Texans
08-16-2008, 10:19 PM
I feel bad for this dude. He pretty much got shatted on by Bush the entire first half.

sidenote: Bush looks like the same player he was back from the USC today. He far from a bust.


he looked good but slaton looked better.

Thorn
08-16-2008, 10:28 PM
he looked good but slaton looked better.

Bush did pretty good against the starting defensive unit of the Texans. Slaton did very well against the 2nd and 3rd stringers of the Saints. There's a difference.

Not that I like Bush, I was never a Bush fan, still aren't, and wasn't convinced two years ago he was worth the hype. Considering the price paid for each, I'll take Slaton any day of the week.

Carr Bombed
08-16-2008, 10:31 PM
I feel bad for this dude. He pretty much got shatted on by Bush the entire first half.

sidenote: Bush looks like the same player he was back from the USC today. He far from a bust.

He's still a bust........today, he just took advantage of a even crappier player.

I was never high on Jacque Reeves, I honestly would rather see Molden start. Jacque Reeves is going to be Petey Faggins part 2 (but atleast Faggins is a willing tackler......Reeves shied away from Bush like he was the Bus or something). They picked on Reeves the entire night.......rarely did I ever see the ball thrown at Bennett. If we're going to have a player that's picked on the entire game I'd rather it be a rookie that has alot of upside. (which is the exact same argument I made for Bennett last year when I called for him to start over Faggins.)

The Third Man
08-16-2008, 10:33 PM
7 carries, 24 yards for Reggie Bush.

TheRealJoker
08-16-2008, 10:34 PM
I thought it was Deja Vu from the Addai over Faggins leap when Bush did it to Reeves.

Did anyone notice when Bush turned and reversed field instead of getting positive yards when he saw Bennet on the play Amobi got flagged for defensive holding?

After he threw down Reeves it looked like Bennet started jawing at him saying, "How bout you try that on me?"

J-Russ
08-16-2008, 10:40 PM
It kinda reminded me of HS football. Since the Saints practice with us, they knew who was the "human-tackling dummy". The guy everyone push around in practice. So came game time, Bush punk'd Reeves cause he already knew the guy sucked. The same with how Schuab punk'd Jason David the whole game. I think he completed like 5 or 6 passes in a row against him.

Hervoyel
08-16-2008, 11:12 PM
Is there any hope that we can get someone in a trade or that may get cut that can help us out in depth at corner? Jacque Reeves looks like the sequel of Faggins last year and it is a little concerning.

Maybe Aaron Glenn won't make the team in New Orleans.

The sad part is I'm only mostly joking.

Corrosion
08-16-2008, 11:39 PM
Maybe Aaron Glenn won't make the team in New Orleans.

The sad part is I'm only mostly joking.




I'd rather have Faggins out there than this guy ..... UGH.



Maybe we can give him back to the Cowpies for a couple jock straps ?


The sad part is that I'm totally NOT joking :cool:

TheRealJoker
08-16-2008, 11:40 PM
Reggie punked Reeves tonight...that is unacceptable

BigWig
08-17-2008, 09:33 AM
Reeves= Matt Stevens
Cut him now and get someone in who wont get P burnt!

ubecool454
08-17-2008, 09:44 AM
He is still new in our system and this is the preseason. Lets give him some time. He's been staying step for step with the receivers, he just needs to locate the ball more quickly

I agree with you on that...Its going to be a big test for him in dallas because you know those Cowboys fans are going to be heckling the hell out of him. I just want Reeves to learn how to take a pass interference call rather than give up a big play..lol Reeves is still better than P-Burnt. Maybe if we take the wired helmet away from demeco and give it to reeves..the coaches can tell hm when to turn around or LOOK UP!

Hervoyel
08-17-2008, 09:48 AM
Reeves= Matt Stevens
Cut him now and get someone in who wont get P burnt!

Getting "P burnt". Excellent.

I'm adding that to my "Texans Fan Dictionary" that I've been working on. To get P burnt is to be beaten so bad in pass coverage that you force Texans fans to remember Phillip Buchanon as a Texan.

ubecool454
08-17-2008, 09:54 AM
i understand the new system, but coveraging a guy and locating the ball should be a fundamental part of his game at this point. Don't you think the Cowpokes gave him up pretty easily because he couldn't cover there either. What i am seeing is a lack of fundamentals, Phillip Buchananish.

In defense of Reeves...the cowboys played zone coverage and he was getting beat over the top a lot which would be the safeties fault too. He said he likes to play straight up and he is getting a chance to do that now. don't worrying about reeves to much....the pass rush was kind of slow in the new orleans game and this is what these preseason games are for...to work the kinks out. Now I will say that reeves was not the worst DB on the field last night....I can't believe Jason David is still with the saints or in the NFL..lol

Shaft75
08-17-2008, 11:08 AM
Reeves isn't doing much to make me like him as a player. The guy just seems to get bullied around out there. He was the Texans version of Jason David out there. He was in good position a couple of times, but just kept getting beat.

So is everyone going to gripe at my ass now for posting this??? Is it still too early???

Hervoyel
08-17-2008, 11:15 AM
Reeves isn't doing much to make me like him as a player. The guy just seems to get bullied around out there. He was the Texans version of Jason David out there. He was in good position a couple of times, but just kept getting beat.

So is everyone going to gripe at my ass now for posting this??? Is it still too early???

No he's not. 4 days after I posted on this thread he goes out there and solidifies his claim to the Matt Stevens award. I still say he won't be worse than P-burnt but he's going to be hard to watch this year.

False Start
08-17-2008, 11:45 AM
I think its something to do with him being a former Cowgirl that makes me not like the guy. Last night vs. the Aints he looked pretty bad, he seemed to be getting shoved around like a little girl. Lets hope hes just still getting adjusted to a new defense....... yeah thats it ! :thinking:

J-Russ
08-17-2008, 11:54 AM
I hope Rick kept the receipt, because he needs to go get a refund from this purchase.

I heard that his contract was cap friendly, so if we cut him next year, it wouldn't result in big dead money like Davis/Carr/Walker/etc. I think they just signed him to be a one-year rental, and that's ok with me.

Silver Oak
08-17-2008, 05:46 PM
I want to keep Reeves, but add Lito Shepard. I know I am a broken record, but bear with me...

Hervoyel
08-17-2008, 06:43 PM
7 carries, 24 yards for Reggie Bush.


I swear if he were any closer to being Gayle Sayers the law would be checking his DNA to make sure nobody had violated the ban on cloning.


Yeah, that was sarcasm.

TEXANRED
08-17-2008, 07:27 PM
Getting "P burnt". Excellent.

I'm adding that to my "Texans Fan Dictionary" that I've been working on. To get P burnt is to be beaten so bad in pass coverage that you force Texans fans to remember Phillip Buchanon as a Texan.

So the if a player goes for a tackle and comes away only with that players shoe, does it then mean he pulled a Matt Stevens?

Hervoyel
08-17-2008, 08:27 PM
So the if a player goes for a tackle and comes away only with that players shoe, does it then mean he pulled a Matt Stevens?

Close

When a Texans player makes a completely inept attempt at a tackle and comes up empty handed he is said to have "Caught the shoe" which is a reference to the famous Matt Stevens attempt to wrap up Ricky Williams by his shoe in the 2003 season opener. For an example in usage one might watch a Texans game and make the following comment to other Texans fans "Morlon Greenwood has been catching the shoe all night long. I hope we draft a decent linebacker next year!"

Only longstanding Texans fans with a good memory will truly appreciate how bad Morlon Greenwood has been playing from that statement. Bandwagon jumpers and posers can be weeded out using correct Texans fan slang.

Corrosion
08-17-2008, 08:43 PM
Close

When a Texans player makes a completely inept attempt at a tackle and comes up empty handed he is said to have "Caught the shoe" which is a reference to the famous Matt Stevens attempt to wrap up Ricky Williams by his shoe in the 2003 season opener. For an example in usage one might watch a Texans game and make the following comment to other Texans fans "Morlon Greenwood has been catching the shoe all night long. I hope we draft a decent linebacker next year!"

Only longstanding Texans fans with a good memory will truly appreciate how bad Morlon Greenwood has been playing from that statement. Bandwagon jumpers and posers can be weeded out using correct Texans fan slang.

:thinking:

Greenwood sure has been doing the Foreman a lot .... Thats making a tackle 8 yards downfield .... Damn he did that a lot. I sure hope we draft a decent Linebacker next year.

steelbtexan
08-17-2008, 10:37 PM
Greenwood = Foreman
Reeves= Pettey
Weaver= over paid crap
Mr. Mittens= Theif-Wuss

ObsiWan
08-17-2008, 10:55 PM
I want to keep Reeves, but add Lito Shepard. I know I am a broken record, but bear with me...

Fagetaboutit! Lito isn't leaving Philly. Whatshisface is already gimpy.

TexansFanatic
08-17-2008, 11:11 PM
sidenote: Bush looks like the same player he was back from the USC today. He far from a bust.

3.4 yards a carry? Not quite up to his USC standards....He took advantage of an inferior cornerback on one play. Other than that, he was ho-hum.

J-Russ
08-17-2008, 11:14 PM
3.4 yards a carry? Not quite up to his USC standards....He took advantage of an inferior cornerback on one play. Other than that, he was ho-hum.

Well, apparently from your statement you didn't watch the game.

sidenote: Bush looks like the same player he was back from the USC today. He far from a bust.

If you read that carefully, real carefully, it say he looks like the same player. You don't watch a player through the stat, you watch them through the tube. What I saw was the reason why I made that statement. The nasty stiffarm throwing a player down, the sick hurdle into the endzone, that USC glory-day Bush right there.

But yea, I said that in the spur of the moment, just cross out my last statement about him being far from a bust.

beerlover
08-18-2008, 12:43 AM
(on CB Jacques Reeves game) You look at the things he does in the running game and the way he plays the game overall. Were very pleased with that. From a coverage standpoint, hes not going to get outrun. Hes got a lot of speed. He was right there on the big play, just got to find the football. And you know, it was a great throw. It was a perfect throw, but we have to find a way to get to that ball and knock it down. Its kind of the same way with (Antwaun) Molden. And Reeves had a couple of nice plays, had a chance for a pick on a slant that they threw. Hes an excellent tackler. Hell come up and do his job from that standpoint. I like the fact that hes in position. We just have to work like heck on finding a way of getting the ball out.

don't know what y'all are seeing (forget the pattycake with Reggie already he did force him to the sideline & kept in front) so far I see the same thing as Kubiak :vinny:

Shaft75
08-18-2008, 12:58 AM
don't know what y'all are seeing (forget the pattycake with Reggie already he did force him to the sideline & kept in front) so far I see the same thing as Kubiak :vinny:

Coach Kubes is such an optimist.

He said the same things about Petey. He never shuts the door on any player. Which I think is extremely admirable. I would hate to see what some of us would do if we were in his shoes.

With him it's always "we just gotta get better..." With most of us it's "Are you f'ing kidding me? We pay you how much? My goodness you remind me of Petey out there. Go sit your ass on the bench. ........for the love of pburnt......."

ChampionTexan
08-18-2008, 01:13 AM
Coach Kubes is such an optimist.

He said the same things about Petey. He never shuts the door on any player. Which I think is extremely admirable. I would hate to see what some of us would do if we were in his shoes.

With him it's always "we just gotta get better..." With most of us it's "Are you f'ing kidding me? We pay you how much? My goodness you remind me of Petey out there. Go sit your ass on the bench. ........for the love of pburnt......."

Here's what happens when a head coach gets confused and thinks he's a poster on a message board

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tie0tz7jGDI

gtexan02
08-18-2008, 01:26 PM
Kubiak had tons of praise for Reeves after preseason game 2.
He tackles well
He stays with receivers well
He has good skill sets and moves well

The only thing he didn't do was locate the ball every time. That can be fixed

Polo
08-18-2008, 01:34 PM
LOL @ Kubiaks comments...

He knows Reeves played like trash...Wake up...

He's just not gonna pour onto the guy who's slotted to be a starter...The same guy who they paid a lot of money in the off-season...The same guy without much quality depth behind him...

That wouldn't have a good affect on Reeves confidence level..You destroy his confidence level (worse than it was this past saturday) and his play may decline even further...Maybe Reeves' problems are correctable and may not be that big, but regarless he played like trash...

Kubiak said the right thing...

He knows in the back of his mind that Reeves played like a str8 beotch.

gtexan02
08-18-2008, 01:43 PM
LOL @ Kubiaks comments...

He knows Reeves played like trash...Wake up...

He's just not gonna pour onto the guy who's slotted to be a starter...The same guy who they paid a lot of money in the off-season...The same guy without much quality depth behind him...

That wouldn't have a good affect on Reeves confidence level..You destroy his confidence level (worse than it was this past saturday) and his play may decline even further...Maybe Reeves' problems are correctable and may not be that big, but regarless he played like trash...

Kubiak said the right thing...

He knows in the back of his mind that Reeves played like a str8 beotch.

Reeves didn't have a good outing, but it may not be because he played horribly. Excuse me while I believe our head coach over you and your attempt to pyscho analyze our coaches presser.

Kubes has been a pretty straight shooter in terms of who is doing well and who is falling behind. He doesn't hesitate to call guys out. People were saying Reeves was P-buch II. Kubes specifically made a point of saying how good Reeves has been in run support. I don't think that was a bunch of confidence building garbage. These are football players, not girl scouts.

I don't think Reeves has looked all that great in the first two games, but:
1) Im not a football coach
2) Its still the preseason and this is a new guy adjusting to a new team

I for one am not ready to pull the plug yet. These knee jerk reactions (Reeves, Taylor, Jones) are just getting absolutely overwhelming

thunderkyss
08-18-2008, 02:49 PM
Kubiak had tons of praise for Reeves after preseason game 2.
He tackles well
He stays with receivers well
He has good skill sets and moves well

The only thing he didn't do was locate the ball every time. That can be fixed

I think that's what it comes down to. What do you want from your corners??

From Kubiak's comments, he obviously wants them to be a big part of run defense. I'm against that, but all yuse guys that like Dunta Robinson, obviously like it, because Dunta can't cover worth a crap either.

I'm also good with Faggins.... at least he is in the picture, when the receiver catches the pass, Dunta is usually off somewhere crying to the refs.

With Faggins, and Reeves, the receiver actually has to work.

NO doubt, Dunta has more speed that either of them. He's more physical as well....... I just don't think he's much of a cover corner. Faggins & Reeves aren't lockdowns by any means, but they cover better than Dunta.

JMO.

Shaft75
08-18-2008, 03:04 PM
Faggins & Reeves aren't lockdowns by any means, but they cover better than Dunta.



WHEN :pigfly: !!!!!!!!!!!!

No disrespect... But, that statement makes it really hard to take you seriously...

76Texan
08-18-2008, 03:23 PM
Kubiak had tons of praise for Reeves after preseason game 2.
He tackles well
He stays with receivers well
He has good skill sets and moves well

The only thing he didn't do was locate the ball every time. That can be fixed

We've already know all that from last year.
What I'd like to hear from Kubiak is when it can be fixed!

Reeves did some good things, but those did not make up for the bad things he was guilty of. Dunta and Bennett did. Reeves has yet to show that and he's a veteran.

In his defense, all the games I saw him played last year, he was the LCB.
So I will give him the benefit of the doubt to see if he can adjust to the right side by the time the season start.

Polo
08-18-2008, 03:52 PM
Excuse me while I believe our head coach over you

LOL @ you thinking the intentions of my post was to gain your belief...



Reeves got trashed out there in pass coverage and stepping up to stop the run...

Believe what you want...

Wolf
08-21-2008, 12:41 AM
http://reporternews.com/news/2008/aug/21/reeves-energized-by-fresh-start-in-houston/

HOUSTON -- It's all new to Jacques Reeves with the Houston Texans -- the team, the defense and even how he's perceived.

After four seasons in Dallas, the 25-year-old cornerback is suddenly a seasoned veteran in the eyes of Houston's coaches and younger defensive backs. Instead of looking up to more experienced players with the Cowboys, Reeves is the one giving pointers at Texans' camp.

"I was one of the younger guys in Dallas. Here, I'm one of the older guys, so it's a different role for me," Reeves said. "I was used to being around a group of veterans who pretty much had everything down really professional. Here, guys are still trying to learn their way. They're trying to get that feel for how things will work."

Reeves says he's been reinvigorated by the fresh start after Dallas let his contract expire. He signed a five-year contract with the Texans on March 1, and his past and present will cross on Friday night when Houston plays the Cowboys in a preseason game.

Reeves appeared in 60 games for Dallas but only became a regular starter last season. He downplays how much Friday's game will mean to him -- it's the preseason, after all -- and is more concerned about securing his starting job with the Texans.

Carr Bombed
08-21-2008, 01:10 AM
I think that's what it comes down to. What do you want from your corners??

From Kubiak's comments, he obviously wants them to be a big part of run defense. I'm against that, but all yuse guys that like Dunta Robinson, obviously like it, because Dunta can't cover worth a crap either.

I'm also good with Faggins.... at least he is in the picture, when the receiver catches the pass, Dunta is usually off somewhere crying to the refs.

With Faggins, and Reeves, the receiver actually has to work.

Completely crap, the only thing the receiver that Reeves or Faggins is covering has to work on is his TD dance.

Dunta might not be a great on the ball defender, but he is a excellent receiver defender....he's not a player that's going to get alot of picks, because again he doesn't play the ball, but he will stay in the receiver's hip pocket and be there to tip the ball away or tackle his ass as soon as he receives the ball (hardly ever any YAC).....and unlike Reeves or Faggins, you won't see his ass being trucked into the endzone by the other teams runningbacks either (or in Reeves case...just completely jumped over), which makes your comment about how "your against corners that can contribute in the running game" funny to me.

I honestly don't see how anybody in their right mind would be advocating for Faggins or Reeves over Dunta. It's posts like this that make me some what hope Reeves is the other starting CB until Dunta comes back, just so these people understand what kind of imapct Dunta makes. (but deep down inside I hope he's not the other starting corner). I mean Jacque Reeves was doing his best Jason David impersonation, (go over to the Saints forum, Saints fans everywhere were laughing at him), but none the less.....Jason David plays the ball (but gets burnt) so he also must be better than Dunta Robinson....stupid Dunta.

Malloy
08-21-2008, 06:39 AM
Bennett + Molden + Reeves + Faggins + Fletcher (he looked good) + (hopefully) Drob eventually

We should be able to find 2 starters in there somewhere

Although Reeves did not have his best performance against the Saints, he is not the only one to blame. Short of our safeties stuffing runs, our secondary looked talented but vulnerable, very vulnerable. Quite a few big plays were allowed, the sort of plays that have been or close-game nemesis for a few years now.

IMO there are two possible problems (Im also sure that there are more, I jst thought of these two).
1: Good old QB pressure, we don't seem to have it, at all. Short of being in the face of Brees a few times, I only saw one episode where #90 should have made the sack but didnt.

2: Secondary scheme. I dont know... Short of Molden providing very close coverage we often seem to be just behind the recievers. Are our safeties not able/allowed (scheme-wise) to support our corners? Do we leave our corners hanging 1-on-1 with recievers allowing them to light us up?

Hmm... Im sure its a mix of the two, but what can be done about it? Getting 'more talent' in our secondary might help a little, but honestly I do not think our players are that much of a problem. Scheme, are we leaving our corners to hang ?

Dunno... any thoughts?

El Tejano
08-21-2008, 07:24 AM
Kubiak had tons of praise for Reeves after preseason game 2.
He tackles well
He stays with receivers well
He has good skill sets and moves well

The only thing he didn't do was locate the ball every time. That can be fixed

That's fine and all but how is that going to hold up against Indy?

It's not just the N.O. game. It's the fact that any highlight we see of this guy, he is getting beat. I have yet to see a highlight where he defended a pass even.

Shaft75
08-21-2008, 10:15 PM
Let's all pray tonight that this thread is put to rest after tomorrow's game. I will definitely be here to face the "I told you so's".

I just have a gut feeling that it will only get worse in here.

Let's hope that Jaque gets a good dose of wheaties tomorrow morning.

Go Texans!

Carr Bombed
08-21-2008, 10:41 PM
Let's all pray tonight that this thread is put to rest after tomorrow's game. I will definitely be here to face the "I told you so's".

I just have a gut feeling that it will only get worse in here.

Let's hope that Jaque gets a good dose of wheaties tomorrow morning.

Go Texans!

I have a feeling T.O. is going to K.O. Jacque Reeves... I'm sure the cowgirls know just have crappy Reeves is and I think their out to win this game after the first couple of stinkers they've had already.

Having HBO cameras all over your training camp, it's not got pub when you keep losing games......I think Dallas is going to give Houston their "A" game and it'll be closer to a regular season game than people think. I'm actaully excited about tomorrow's game, it'll give us a good gauge on how good this team really is.

Having said that though.....I do see T.O. burning Reeves for a TD and Marion Barber trucking his ass over atleast once. (unlike the fairy princess Reggie Bush....Marion the barbarian is not going to jump over Reeves...he'll just run him over like a dead possum on a road in Tenn.)

76Texan
08-21-2008, 11:57 PM
I have a feeling T.O. is going to K.O. Jacque Reeves... I'm sure the cowgirls know just have crappy Reeves is and I think their out to win this game after the first couple of stinkers they've had already.

Having HBO cameras all over your training camp, it's not got pub when you keep losing games......I think Dallas is going to give Houston their "A" game and it'll be closer to a regular season game than people think. I'm actaully excited about tomorrow's game, it'll give us a good gauge on how good this team really is.

Having said that though.....I do see T.O. burning Reeves for a TD and Marion Barber trucking his ass over atleast once. (unlike the fairy princess Reggie Bush....Marion the barbarian is not going to jump over Reeves...he'll just run him over like a dead possum on a road in Tenn.)
Now, I was among the earliest Non-Cowboys fans who dished this acquisition... Even so, I said, the boy has some tool... Let's give him a chance as he moves to the right side. We won't be doing ourselves any favor calling strike 3 too soon, JMHO! http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

Malloy
08-22-2008, 03:01 AM
At least Reeves has experience against TO from Cowboy practice.

Shaft75
08-22-2008, 08:27 AM
At least Reeves has experience against TO from Cowboy practice.

Which also means that TO has experience with Reeves.

Tonight will tell us what we need to know. I am just looking for some positive consistency.

Malloy
08-22-2008, 08:37 AM
Which also means that TO has experience with Reeves.

Tonight will tell us what we need to know. I am just looking for some positive consistency.

heeh, thats true :)

We'll see, hopefully Reeves will shut down TO or make him look real stupid. I'm not counting on it, but I sure am hoping for it :)

Qman
08-22-2008, 08:41 AM
I'd settle for only one big play from TO for the whole game and some solid tackling from Reeves.

HJam72
08-22-2008, 10:09 AM
I figure Reeves will keep up with him for the most part and still let him catch most of them. I bet his tackling is better, though. Bush jumped over his dive for him--could've easily happened to Bennett or whoever.

Malloy
08-22-2008, 10:11 AM
I figure Reeves will keep up with him for the most part and still let him catch most of them. I bet his tackling is better, though. Bush jumped over his dive for him--could've easily happened to Bennett or whoever.

Could have happened to any corner out there. For what its worth, Reeves did exactly what he is supposed to do, go low to take out the legs, unfortunately this Bush character did something rather unconventional :I

Dancerdog
08-22-2008, 10:28 AM
I agree with gtexan02. Reeves needs to be given a chance to work out his problems. He's in a new scheme and at a new position (side of the field). Rick Smith was in a bind when he signed him, but I think we need to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's got the speed and stays with his man. Let him get better at locating the ball and he could be a very servicable CB for us until Dunta returns.

Glass half full.

Carr Bombed
08-22-2008, 08:21 PM
Well if it wasn't for Homo overthrowing Reeves, I would already have my "T.O. burning Reeves for a TD" prediction. Reeves was barely even in the picture. :gun: Reeves made T.O. look like Usain Bolt

langonelives
08-22-2008, 08:24 PM
Jacque Reeves = human third down conversion

Carr Bombed
08-22-2008, 08:37 PM
I think that's what it comes down to. What do you want from your corners??

From Kubiak's comments, he obviously wants them to be a big part of run defense. I'm against that, but all yuse guys that like Dunta Robinson, obviously like it, because Dunta can't cover worth a crap either.

I'm also good with Faggins.... at least he is in the picture, when the receiver catches the pass, Dunta is usually off somewhere crying to the refs.

With Faggins, and Reeves, the receiver actually has to work.

NO doubt, Dunta has more speed that either of them. He's more physical as well....... I just don't think he's much of a cover corner. Faggins & Reeves aren't lockdowns by any means, but they cover better than Dunta.

JMO.


Here's your chance to admit Dunta is a way better corner than Faggins and Reeves. I still can't believe you actually believe what you typed in this post.

TexanSam
08-22-2008, 08:41 PM
Put Faggins in there. Put Molden in there and see what he can do. Fletcher as well. Reeves has been a huge disappointment. Now I wasn't expecting a whole lot when we signed him, but I was expecting a little better than what he has given us.

Carr Bombed
08-22-2008, 08:48 PM
Put Faggins in there. Put Molden in there and see what he can do. Fletcher as well. Reeves has been a huge disappointment. Now I wasn't expecting a whole lot when we signed him, but I was expecting a little better than what he has given us.

He's Jason David's less talented twin brother.

Carr Bombed
08-22-2008, 10:32 PM
Okay people, we watched another game, so what do y'all think?

I vote bench.

J-Russ
08-22-2008, 10:33 PM
Okay people, we watched another game, so what do y'all think?

I vote bench.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASskQc1_kj8&feature=related

TexansLucky13
08-22-2008, 10:35 PM
Add me to the list of people who dislike Reeves. I tried to give him another game but I was unimpressed yet again.

Porky
08-22-2008, 10:37 PM
Okay people, we watched another game, so what do y'all think?

I vote bench.

I vote park benches from the no spin zone. Gawd, this guy makes Petey Faggins look like Champ Bailey. :foottap:

J-Russ
08-22-2008, 10:39 PM
I seriously wonder what Kubiak and Smith saw in Reeves when they first signed him. I mean us normies on TT knew he suck and knew he was going to suck for us too, so I wonder what they thought Reeves could do for us. :dontknowa

TexansLucky13
08-22-2008, 10:46 PM
I seriously wonder what Kubiak and Smith saw in Reeves when they first signed him. I mean us normies on TT knew he suck and knew he was going to suck for us too, so I wonder what they thought Reeves could do for us. :dontknowa

At very least he added some competition in camp, but I just don't see him making the team.

Play Molden!!!

Hervoyel
08-22-2008, 10:50 PM
I'm really at the point where I'd rather watch them roll Petey and Bennett out until Moldon is ready. Hell I'd rather watch Moldon "get ready" while playing than watch Reeves. He sucks so damn bad I can't believe the Texans signed the guy. I mean it, he is pathetic. The guy tackles like P-Burnt, covers like Petey, and has the ball hawking skills of Matt Stevens. He probably catches like Demps.

markn
08-22-2008, 10:51 PM
The guy tackles like P-Burnt, covers like Petey, and has the ball hawking skills of Matt Stevens. He probably catches like Demps.

It's just a shame he doesn't have the resilience of Ahman Green.

Big Lou
08-22-2008, 11:39 PM
Okay people, we watched another game, so what do y'all think?

I vote bench.


I tried to be open minded. I gave Reeves slack because of the Roy Williams factor in Dallas, but good lord.

Maybe someone should point out that Reeves is 15 yards off of the reciever he's covering. It was my understanding that he had speed, so get on the guy and use your athleticism.

I never question Rick and Kubes, but everyone is entitled to a bust now and then.

I trust the Coaches to put Molden in when the time is right, but it don't get much righter!!!!!!!!!!

Big Lou
08-22-2008, 11:40 PM
By the way can we change the title of the thread to "Faggins 2.0" ?

Vinny
08-22-2008, 11:41 PM
By the way can we change the title of the thread to "Faggins 2.0" ?Faggins is better in coverage (insert rim shot here)

atxlaurie
08-22-2008, 11:47 PM
Maybe someone should point out that Reeves is 15 yards off of the reciever he's covering. It was my understanding that he had speed, so get on the guy and use your athleticism.


I saw an interview after the game with Reeves on Fox(replay) and Reeves said that his "speed meant nothing without technique". Interesting.

TexansFight
08-22-2008, 11:52 PM
I'm really at the point where I'd rather watch them roll Petey and Bennett out until Moldon is ready. Hell I'd rather watch Moldon "get ready" while playing than watch Reeves. He sucks so damn bad I can't believe the Texans signed the guy. I mean it, he is pathetic. The guy tackles like P-Burnt, covers like Petey, and has the ball hawking skills of Matt Stevens. He probably catches like Demps.

This was an epic quote. I can't stop laughing :spit:

Honoring Earl 34
08-22-2008, 11:54 PM
Faggins is better in coverage (insert rim shot here)

Reeves was playing 10 yards off Whitten .

dalemurphy
08-22-2008, 11:56 PM
Faggins is better in coverage (insert rim shot here)

I totally agree. Faggins is actually good in coverage but a poor tackler. With the exception of last year when we struggled with everything. That being said, I've seen enough to put Molden, Fletcher for sure, Faggins, and Roberson ahead of Reeves on the depth chart.

Vinny
08-22-2008, 11:56 PM
I saw an interview after the game with Reeves on Fox(replay) and Reeves said that his "speed meant nothing without technique". Interesting.classic statement from a track guy. He was a better track and field guy than he has been a football player.

member of Purdue track and field team ... finished second at 2003 Big Ten Indoor Championships in 200 meters (21.47) and third in 60 meters (6.78) ... won 100 meters at 2002 Big Ten Outdoor Championships (10.41) and finished second in 200 meters (20.83) ... finished second at 2001 Big Ten Indoor Championships in both 60 meters (6.80) and 200 meters (21.04) and named Big Ten Freshman of the Year. http://purduesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/reeves_jacques00.html

Lucky
08-23-2008, 12:12 AM
The Texans really didn't spend much $$$ on Reeves (relevant to NFL CBs). But, the only coach I've seen to get results from bargain basement corners is Bill Belichick. And he ain't coaching here.

As I said last season during Petey's meltdown, why continue to send out a CB who's not going to get better, rather than giving a young player with potential an opportunity? I'm not asking for Reeves to be cut. Just move him to nickel or dime CB. The guy has had three different coaches and three different schemes in three years. Combine that with the fact he's not very good, and you have one scared CB.

I didn't get to see Molden in camp, but I would rather see him play the entire game Thursday to see if he can get ready for Pittsburgh. What's the downside to starting the kid?

Carr Bombed
08-23-2008, 01:27 PM
The Texans really didn't spend much $$$ on Reeves (relevant to NFL CBs). But, the only coach I've seen to get results from bargain basement corners is Bill Belichick. And he ain't coaching here.

As I said last season during Petey's meltdown, why continue to send out a CB who's not going to get better, rather than giving a young player with potential an opportunity? I'm not asking for Reeves to be cut. Just move him to nickel or dime CB. The guy has had three different coaches and three different schemes in three years. Combine that with the fact he's not very good, and you have one scared CB.

I didn't get to see Molden in camp, but I would rather see him play the entire game Thursday to see if he can get ready for Pittsburgh. What's the downside to starting the kid?

Pretty much my view also.......if your going to get burned in coverage, I'd rather it being while a rookie is learning the ropes, then just watching a guy who is in way over his head and is nothing more than a career backup.

76Texan
08-23-2008, 01:45 PM
The Texans really didn't spend much $$$ on Reeves (relevant to NFL CBs). But, the only coach I've seen to get results from bargain basement corners is Bill Belichick. And he ain't coaching here.

As I said last season during Petey's meltdown, why continue to send out a CB who's not going to get better, rather than giving a young player with potential an opportunity? I'm not asking for Reeves to be cut. Just move him to nickel or dime CB. The guy has had three different coaches and three different schemes in three years. Combine that with the fact he's not very good, and you have one scared CB.

I didn't get to see Molden in camp, but I would rather see him play the entire game Thursday to see if he can get ready for Pittsburgh. What's the downside to starting the kid?
The downside is you can ruin his confidence and thus, his career!
Right now, Molden isn't any better than the rest of the DBs.

I would venture to say that Fletcher has been the most consistent thus far.
Alas he's also the smallest guy we have playing CB, and he may also be the slowest of the bunch. I don't think his vertical leap is all that good either!

Shaft75
08-23-2008, 01:51 PM
So I guess there aren't many people disagreeing with me now??????

I told you so......

76Texan
08-23-2008, 01:55 PM
So I guess there aren't many people disagreeing with me now??????

I told you so......
You were away from the board for quite a while.
There were reports on here about the matter long ago! http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

thunderkyss
08-24-2008, 05:45 PM
Is Kubiak just trying to be nice?? I mean the way he talks, you'd think we had something.

As a side note, have you guys read this, from Football Outsiders (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2007/12/21/ramblings/stat-analysis/5920/)

Some interesting stuff.