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TexansFight
08-10-2008, 07:00 PM
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ONE FRIGGIN PLAY and he goes out of the game. Cut this guy for the love of God please. He is more fragile than 1,000 year old pottery. Its INSANE to pin any hopes on this guy. The Texans have done this WAY too much in their history. The list is endless: Boselli, Spencer, Domanick Davis, etc.

I don't care if he is doing yoga or whatever crap to loosen up. He has too much tread on his tires and he is stealing a paycheck. Cut this loser now.

Goldensilence
08-10-2008, 07:32 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to call Ahman a loser.

It is really frustrating to have him not go one play and get injured one way or another again. It hurt twice as bad that Chris Brown is out too.

I get the feeling of Deja Vu seeing it this year except this year it's pre-season instead of the first game of the season. I'm not sure I want to wait and see if he's ready to go by the season starter just to see him go down again.Personally I think it might be in best interests of both sides we cut him sooner then later. Perhaps he could catch on to another team.

I think Smith could do better on the waiver wire then a guy that is possibly poised for more extended time on the bench. Specially after cuts.

TexansFight
08-10-2008, 07:35 PM
I don't know if the loser tag is harsh. They couldn't find anything wrong with him last year in tests yet he only played in only 3 games. Friggin Phillip Rivers played on ONE leg in a playoff game. Then he takes himself out after ONE play. Why should the team, coaches, or fans have any faith in him. I don't get the feeling he is giving his all to play.

False Start
08-10-2008, 07:42 PM
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This guy says Ahman Green is soft .......

Thorn
08-10-2008, 08:04 PM
Green is a great running back when he's healthy. But, that's the trick isn't it, him being healthy?

nunusguy
08-10-2008, 08:12 PM
http://www.the-reel-mccoy.com/movies/2000/images/unbreakable3.jpg

ONE FRIGGIN PLAY and he goes out of the game. Cut this guy for the love of God please. He is more fragile than 1,000 year old pottery. Its INSANE to pin any hopes on this guy. The Texans have done this WAY too much in their history. The list is endless: Boselli, Spencer, Domanick Davis, etc.

I don't care if he is doing yoga or whatever crap to loosen up. He has too much tread on his tires and he is stealing a paycheck. Cut this loser now.
Elijah Price (Jackson) is born with Type I osteogenesis imperfecta, a rare disease in which the bones break easily. As a child he is taunted by other children, who nickname him "Mr. Glass". Drawing on what he has read in comic books during his many hospital stays, Price theorizes that if he is frail at one extreme, then perhaps there is someone strong at the opposite
extreme.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbreakable_(film)
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Very clever T-F.
Did you ever see the flic ? I didn't but always wanted to since it was an intriguing story with an excellent cast, especially with Samuel L. as Mr. Glass.

Sal Rosenberg
08-10-2008, 08:14 PM
This is too funny

Koolaid Time
08-10-2008, 09:04 PM
Green is a great running back when he's healthy. But, that's the trick isn't it, him being healthy?

Last year I posted his injury stats.. It looks like he is good for a knee, groin, hamstring injury/ problem every year since 2002.

While injuries are part of the game, we shouldn't have to hitch our wagon to a long term injury just waiting to happen.

Ahman Green's complete injury profile from 2002

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/4261/injuries.html

TexansFight
08-10-2008, 09:45 PM
Elijah Price (Jackson) is born with Type I osteogenesis imperfecta, a rare disease in which the bones break easily. As a child he is taunted by other children, who nickname him "Mr. Glass". Drawing on what he has read in comic books during his many hospital stays, Price theorizes that if he is frail at one extreme, then perhaps there is someone strong at the opposite
extreme.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbreakable_(film)
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Very clever T-F.
Did you ever see the flic ? I didn't but always wanted to since it was an intriguing story with an excellent cast, especially with Samuel L. as Mr. Glass.

I did see the movie. I liked and thought it was M Night Shyamalan's 2nd best film after the 6th Sense.

texanfreak
08-10-2008, 09:52 PM
http://smackdown.myrmid.com/smackdown/downloads/joe3.gif

This guy says Ahman Green is soft .......

roflmao "PRICELESS"

The Pencil Neck
08-10-2008, 10:22 PM
Dude!
I loved Signs AND The Village.
He's got some pretty good flicks.

oh no...

Signs? That was horrible. It was a stupid concept.

gtexan02
08-10-2008, 11:18 PM
He did the same thing AJ did. Pull up with a groin tweak. Are we going to cut everyone who gets injured? Sheesh

TexansFight
08-10-2008, 11:29 PM
He did the same thing AJ did. Pull up with a groin tweak. Are we going to cut everyone who gets injured? Sheesh

Ummm, AJ is a Pro Bowl level player who suffered a LEGITIMATE injury last year and STILL played in 7 games more than twice as many as our own Mr. Glass. AJ is a warrior and has earned the benefit of the doubt from us.

GlassHalfFull
08-10-2008, 11:32 PM
Ummm, AJ is a Pro Bowl level player who suffered a LEGITIMATE injury last year and STILL played in 7 games more than twice as many as our own Mr. Glass.

Excuse me, but my husband resents this nickname.

Texan Asylum
08-10-2008, 11:35 PM
Dude!
I loved Signs AND The Village.
He's got some pretty good flicks.


Two of my favorites as well. :cool:

TexansFight
08-10-2008, 11:37 PM
Excuse me, but my husband resents this nickname.

No disrespect intended :texflag: I am sure your husband could last longer than ONE FRIGGIN PLAY in a game.

This guy is just another Boselli, Joppru, Spencer, etc. situation we all know to well. Rinse and repeat.

The Pencil Neck
08-11-2008, 02:23 AM
Ummm, AJ is a Pro Bowl level player who suffered a LEGITIMATE injury last year and STILL played in 7 games more than twice as many as our own Mr. Glass. AJ is a warrior and has earned the benefit of the doubt from us.

You know that Ahman Green has been to more Pro Bowls than AJ, right?

Scooter
08-11-2008, 02:35 AM
You know that Ahman Green has been to more Pro Bowls than AJ, right?

you do realize that andre johnson made the probowl with david carr at quarterback right? :doot:

aj.
08-11-2008, 08:12 AM
I think Green has seriously lost his edge, and what fire existed in Green Bay has been long since extinguished. At 31, he appears to be more concerned with cashing these last few paychecks than helping a team win football games. I think he's become shy of game contact and he knows inside that this is his last year, and since the Texans aren't going to get him another SB ring, why risk further injury right? He already has it all. So where is his motivation? Just make the 53.

There's no room to play tinker bell with Green and his roster spot any longer. Give me a hungry RB that wants to bust heads and make a name for himself. If Green's not able to appear in more than 5 games again this year (what evidence is there that he can?) cut him before final roster cutdown and save McNair a few million - because AG sure as hell hasn't earned it.

I was never big on this signing but now I'm seriously getting tired of his inability to stay on the field. Falling down untouched on your first touch of the preseason isn't a good sign. What happens when he starts getting hit by LBs? Rhetorical question. Most of us know what will happen.

gtexan02
08-11-2008, 08:35 AM
I think all of this is speculation at best from a bunch of people who don't understand what happened. You are calling out a guy for one preseason injury?

Kubiak has said multiple times that Green has looked the best in practice, that Green has worked the hardest in the offseason, that Green is ready to make up for lost time last year.

He's the head coach, and if he says Green has fire, then I believe him. Kubiak has shown throughout his entire tenure that he doesn't put up with guys who aren't trying. Sherman is long gone, so if Kubiak didn't believe Green could help the football team, he'd be gone.

Green pulled up and went down early because he felt a tweak in his groin. Andre Johnson did the same thing. You want our best running back risking season ending injury in the first preseason game? Its preseason football people. Who cares if he plays 1 snap or all of them. The goal is to learn the scheme and come out healthy.

Groin tweaks happen. They aren't a big deal. But if you feel it tighten up, and you keep on playing, you risk a big injury. It was all well and good that AJ pulled up with a groin injury. We want him to preserve his health for games that matter. But if Green does it, we crucify him?

Everyone keeps posting "He went down without any contact!"
Well, what did you want him to do? He felt his groin tighten up, he prevented the injury from being worse. Its preseason football. None of this counts.

We have a very young football team here right now. We have a slew of below-average running backs. Green is a veteran who plays smart, has good wheels, and has good field vision. He is by far the best runnign back on this team when he is healthy. Anyone with eyes can see it during practice. So excuse me for not immediately cutting him based on his attempt at preventing an injury during a meaningless preseason game.

If all he was after was his paycheck, do you really think a guy with his injury past would fake an injury to sit out a few snaps in preseason ball? No way. He knows as well as anyone he's going to get cut if he's hurt. He wouldn't have gone through all of training camp if all he was after was the guaranteed money.

So many of you are calling him out and spouting off speculation like its fact. "He doesn't play hard" "He can't handle any contact" "He is faking"
The guy is a 5 time probowler who has been in the NFL for 11 years.
Lets give him a little more respect than this

Thorn
08-11-2008, 08:52 AM
The guy is a 5 time probowler who has been in the NFL for 11 years.
Lets give him a little more respect than this

As a Green Bay Packer, he deserves all the respect in the world as a pro bowler and Super Bowl winner. As a Houston Texan, he's a failure. Until he proves otherwise, that's just the way it is.

aj.
08-11-2008, 09:02 AM
I think all of this is speculation at best from a bunch of people who don't understand what happened.

I think I understand what happened (and what's happening) and I could care less if he went to five Pro Bowls with another team years ago. I care about 2008.

Ahman Green has done nothing for this team since he's been here. Someone give me a reason why I should believe the Texans will get more than 8 games out of him this year - and working hard in practice isn't a good reason, especially if he can't stay on the field when the live bullets start flying. I was at most of the public training camp sessions and I know he looked like a hall of fame RB - in shells with limited contact. What's going to happen when it's Troy Polamalu coming at him?

Assuming Ahman Green will be healthy this year is the ultimate speculation.

Polo
08-11-2008, 09:03 AM
I don't think the Texans can go into the season with AG & CB as their number one and two backs...

Scooter
08-11-2008, 09:04 AM
I think all of this is speculation at best from a bunch of people who don't understand what happened. You are calling out a guy for one preseason injury?

Kubiak has said multiple times that Green has looked the best in practice, that Green has worked the hardest in the offseason, that Green is ready to make up for lost time last year.

He's the head coach, and if he says Green has fire, then I believe him. Kubiak has shown throughout his entire tenure that he doesn't put up with guys who aren't trying. Sherman is long gone, so if Kubiak didn't believe Green could help the football team, he'd be gone.

ahman's played in 25 of his last 48 games (many of which are only partials), it's more than a mere preseason injury when a trend is involved. especially when that injury is one that will nag for an extended amount of time such as a groin. i thought ahman would be an answer and yall know i'm as lenient as they come, i'm going to call an injury riddled 31 year old runningback as he is though.

ahman was the hardest worker last year and "has never been in better shape and looks incredible". he gimped through 6 games (topping out at 16 carries) before calling it quits for 07.

coach is going to stick up for the players as long as possible, see charles spencer. i'm in 100% support of kubiak, i hope he's here until he's senile. green however is bad knees with pulled muscles and strain tendons and sore everything. questionable the entire season but hey, he'll work hard on the sidelines and be in outstanding condition.

aj.
08-11-2008, 09:07 AM
I don't think the Texans can go into the season with AG & CB as their number one and two backs...

I think their plan all along was to cobble together one player-season from the two. Even that looks like wishful thinking at this point.

gtexan02
08-11-2008, 09:10 AM
I understand completely what happened...

So the guy feels a potential injury, during a preseason game, and you'd rather him play through it or what?
You aren't making any sense.

He felt his muscle tighten up. He prevented an injury. If it happens during the regular season, fine. But I see preseason as a big practice. I think he did the right thing.

If we had a lot of depth at RB, fine. Move on. But at this point, Im not exactly thrilled at the thought of a Brown, Walker, Slaton trio.

Kubiak and Smith ahve already tried working the waiver wire for replacement RBs. There aren't guys they want out there right now. At this point, I think he's still our best bet

aj.
08-11-2008, 09:17 AM
So the guy feels a potential injury, during a preseason game, and you'd rather him play through it or what?
You aren't making any sense.

He felt his muscle tighten up. He prevented an injury. Why is this bad?


I think I'm making pretty good sense when I say Ahman Green is at the end of his career.

Why is this bad? Well, let me think about this for a second .... maybe because he's occupying the RB1 roster spot at 5 million per year and can't stay on the field and we need a RB that can stay on the field? AG was nothing more than a stop-gap when they brought him in here - and now it appears that the Packers knew exactly what they were doing when they let him walk.

Polo
08-11-2008, 09:22 AM
So the guy feels a potential injury, during a preseason game, and you'd rather him play through it or what?

He felt his muscle tighten up. He prevented an injury.

When you get to the point in life that feeling a muscle tighten up means you need to completely stop all activity for fear of causing an injury, it normally means you're getting old...

I mean...how can we expect him to get through a good portion of the season if he can't stretch out a tightened muscle for a series...

Didn't he go through warm-ups like everyone else ? Or did he just walk out there cold ? He wasn't touched...Which means he did no more on that one play than he should have done in warm-ups...Either he's not warming up properly or his muscles are the muscles of a 30+ yr. old running back...

Mike Kerns
08-11-2008, 09:22 AM
I'm all about cutting the guy. Why waste a roster spot for a bum thats going to sit out most of the season. Especially when it means maybe letting a guy like Darius Walker go.

gtexan02
08-11-2008, 09:24 AM
When you get to the point in life that feeling a muscle tighten up means you need to completely stop all activity for fear of causing an injury, it normally means you're getting old...

I mean...how can we expect him to get through a good portion of the season if he can't stretch out a tightened muscle for a series...

Didn't he go through warm-ups like everyone else ? Or did he just walk out there cold ? He wasn't touched...Which means he did no more on that one play than he should have done in warm-ups...Either he's not warming up properly or his muscles are the muscles of a 30+ yr. old running back...

What? AJ did the exact same thing

Wide receiver Andre Johnson gave the Texans and a crowd of 3,721 fans at the Methodist Training Center quite a scare Saturday when he pulled up after running a deep route at the end of practice.

The two-time Pro Bowler appeared to favor his left groin as he limped off the field in noticeable pain. Immediately, the Texans’ training staff and team orthopedist, Dr. Walter Lowe, attended to Johnson.

No contact on that play either. I guess 27 is the new 31

Polo
08-11-2008, 09:28 AM
What? AJ did the exact same thing.


That's the exact same thing to you ?

Hervoyel
08-11-2008, 09:28 AM
Looking at the state of our running backs right now I have to admit that I'm a little surprised we haven't seen Ron Dayne back in town. I know that's probably not a popular sentiment but I fail to see how our running back situation right now is any less "house of cards" than it was last year.

Chris Brown has been a non-factor. Ahman Green is (IMO) for all intents and purposes "snake bit" where injuries are concerned and it no longer matters what he has "left in the tank" at this point. His injury situation has taken on a life of it's own now and this guy is forever going to have thoughts of injury in his head. Every time he strains a muscle or takes a hard hit he's going to be wondering if he's hurt. We're going to be wondering if he's hurt. This can go nowhere but down now. Watching Ahman Green and waiting for that next injury is going to become like watching Brad Lidge and waiting for that next blown save. Mark my words on that. Darius Walker is an alright two or three. Chris Taylor probably just needs to get back into the flow of things but IMO the jury is still out. Slaton just needs to get used to the pro game and the speed but of the three of them I don't see one guy whose ready to go on opening day and be our starter.

They don't like Benson and won't consider him, they obviously agree with the common opinion on Shaun Alexander. I think it's time for another running of the Dayne Train. Nobody wanted to see it happen again. Hell, I like the guy and I didn't even want to see it happen again but here we are looking at going 16 games with no answers at RB (again).

threetoedpete
08-11-2008, 09:29 AM
The guys I really feel bad about are the bubble guys. Instead of keeping an extra DT or, OT, C/G, WR now they gotta go fishing for RBs. Unless you're talking about picking up troubled child Benson, who I don't believe will fit with Gibbs...you're pretty much stuck with the situation until next off season.

For what ever it is worth Spencer Tillman pretty much threw Green under the bus last night on the KTRH recap show.

gtexan02
08-11-2008, 09:31 AM
That's the exact same thing to you ?

Its not to you?

Both were running untouched and both stopped cold because they felt their groins tighten up. How is it different? The quotes in the news stories are almost identical

Kaiser Toro
08-11-2008, 09:36 AM
After Saturday's game Green's position on this team has to be earned, not only by him making it through an exhibition game, but by other RBs taking it from him.

I do not want to get rid of younger talent at the expense of vets that cannot stay healthy.

Hervoyel
08-11-2008, 09:37 AM
And I see exactly where gtexan02 is coming from. All you guys running your keyboards and talking about what a bum or loser Ahman is are off base. He's no more a bum or a loser than Emmitt Smith was in Arizona or Earl Campbell was in New Orleans. He's a RB at the end of his career and he wants to keep playing. He thinks he can keep playing. All this hostility is misdirected if you ask me. Instead of dogging Ahman Green for thinking he can keep playing (which pretty much means he's got something in common with just about every great athlete that ever lived) you should be dogging the Texans for hanging on to this experiment just a bit too long and not trying to do more to mitigate the damage if and when this didn't work out.

I still see Ahman's injury and AJ's injury in completely different lights though. One is happening to a young man in the heat of the day while the other is happening to an old man following warm ups in a perfectly comfortable stadium the first time he tries to go full speed. A lot of it has to do with perception I'll admit but Ahman is, to Texans fans all about being hurt all the time. We haven't really seen much of anything else from him besides stories about his fabled conditioning and impressive practices.

Scooter
08-11-2008, 09:38 AM
Its not to you?

Both were running untouched and both stopped cold because they felt their groins tighten up. How is it different? The quotes in the news stories are almost identical

AJ is coming off of knee surgery and as is common exerts a higher muscle group to compensate.

green looks better than ever and falls flat with less effort than 9am yoga. yes, different.

gtexan02
08-11-2008, 09:42 AM
AJ is coming off of knee surgery and as is common exerts a higher muscle group to compensate.

green looks better than ever and falls flat with less effort than 9am yoga. yes, different.

Herv made a good point about the heat of the day, end of practice, etc.

But I should point out that Green is also coming off a knee injury, so I don't think that differentiates the two imo

Polo
08-11-2008, 09:43 AM
Its not to you?

Both were running untouched and both stopped cold because they felt their groins tighten up. How is it different? The quotes in the news stories are almost identical

Dre's injury happened at the end of a practice oustide in the blazing heat on a long route where he was probably close to full speed.....

AG's injury.....didn't.....

Texans_Chick
08-11-2008, 09:52 AM
Looking at the state of our running backs right now I have to admit that I'm a little surprised we haven't seen Ron Dayne back in town. I know that's probably not a popular sentiment but I fail to see how our running back situation right now is any less "house of cards" than it was last year.

Chris Brown has been a non-factor. Ahman Green is (IMO) for all intents and purposes "snake bit" where injuries are concerned and it no longer matters what he has "left in the tank" at this point. His injury situation has taken on a life of it's own now and this guy is forever going to have thoughts of injury in his head. Every time he strains a muscle or takes a hard hit he's going to be wondering if he's hurt. We're going to be wondering if he's hurt. This can go nowhere but down now. Watching Ahman Green and waiting for that next injury is going to become like watching Brad Lidge and waiting for that next blown save. Mark my words on that. Darius Walker is an alright two or three. Chris Taylor probably just needs to get back into the flow of things but IMO the jury is still out. Slaton just needs to get used to the pro game and the speed but of the three of them I don't see one guy whose ready to go on opening day and be our starter.

They don't like Benson and won't consider him, they obviously agree with the common opinion on Shaun Alexander. I think it's time for another running of the Dayne Train. Nobody wanted to see it happen again. Hell, I like the guy and I didn't even want to see it happen again but here we are looking at going 16 games with no answers at RB (again).

We will be likely seeing a RB signing "just to get through the preseason." Of not a name guy and not Benson (according to the presser). Who knows who that could be but I bet they'd like to get someone with experience.

And poor Ron Dayne once injured himself in pregame warmups....I'm not sure how good of shape he would be not going through anyone's camp.

The best thing that happened to the Texans draftwise is that Adrian Peterson went with the 7th pick of the draft his year, and not the 8th pick the Texans switched with ATL in the Schaub trade. Green on NFL Sirius Radio talked about the legacy of great Houston pro running backs--I don't believe we have that guy on our roster, no matter what the blocking.

Green shouldn't be glossed Mr. Glass because he has put in a bunch of NFL seasons and has come back from a really bad injury--it's not like he never was able to get on a field. But he's an old running back, and he appears to be done.

MightyTExan
08-11-2008, 10:17 AM
Time to let the young fresh legs run with the ball like other teams do.

HOU-TEX
08-11-2008, 10:20 AM
The talk of bringing Dayne back is very disturbing to me. Instead of running off my typical anti-Dayne rant, I will leave it at this: If Dayne's on this team at any time this season it'll mean our chances of a playoff push (or a winning record for that matter)are gone.

Dayne sucks!

:texflag:

The Pencil Neck
08-11-2008, 11:50 AM
you do realize that andre johnson made the probowl with david carr at quarterback right? :doot:

I realize that. But from your original post, it didn't look like you thought that AG had ever been to a pro bowl, let alone 4 of them.

Blake
08-11-2008, 11:52 AM
Its not to you?

Both were running untouched and both stopped cold because they felt their groins tighten up. How is it different? The quotes in the news stories are almost identical

I'm sorry, but Andre's injury and Ahman's are completely different. I think it was stated already but Andre was at the end of practice, and was running just about full speed with Will Demps fighting for position to make a catch.

Ahman was his first play, ran 10 yards in open space, caught a ball and fell down. Ive seen enough. He can stay for a pay decrease.

Give me Steve Slaton, Chris Taylor and Darius Walker. Green can get 1/2 his pay for 1/2 his work. And thats if I want to save a roster spot for him.

I feel that Kubiak and Co. will keep him playing in the preseason and if he cant stay on the field, they will cut him in a cap saving move and move on.

infantrycak
08-11-2008, 12:10 PM
The talk of bringing Dayne back is very disturbing to me. Instead of running off my typical anti-Dayne rant, I will leave it at this: If Dayne's on this team at any time this season it'll mean our chances of a playoff push (or a winning record for that matter)are gone.

Dayne sucks!

:texflag:

What he said. From two years ago:

Dayne looks like a poodle trying to hump the leg of the embarrassed little religious lady. He wouldn't know a hole if friggin Jenna Jameson was waiving a checkered flag at him.

Texan_Bill
08-11-2008, 12:12 PM
The talk of bringing Dayne back is very disturbing to me. Instead of running off my typical anti-Dayne rant, I will leave it at this: If Dayne's on this team at any time this season it'll mean our chances of a playoff push (or a winning record for that matter)are gone.

Dayne sucks!

:texflag:

I knew you had it in you after being mellow in the other thread... We'll start calling you the "Second Coming of Second Honeymoon"!!

HOU-TEX
08-11-2008, 12:12 PM
What he said. From two years ago:

LMAO! Very nice! :texflag:

HOU-TEX
08-11-2008, 12:14 PM
I knew you had it in you after being mellow in the other thread... We'll start calling you the "Second Coming of Second Honeymoon"!!

At least it wasn't a rant. It was more or less just a "matter of fact" comment. :shades:

threetoedpete
08-11-2008, 12:25 PM
It's very hard not to be knee jerk about Green. I'm a fan and I was cautious when we signed him. Wanna call the thirty year old line a wives tell fine. The guy is sixeth on the active list....and has taken a lot of shots. If they were expecting fifteen to seventeen touches per game, that number is droping like a stone. And our best prospect so far at RB is Darious Walker. A guy no one on a dare would call out to carry a team to a play off run. Time for some of that Smithiack majic.

PHAROAH
08-11-2008, 12:31 PM
I know that we did the right thing in drafting Duane Brown but a part of me really wanted everydown back Rashard Mendenhall because I knew that we couldn't count on Ahman Green & Chris Brown staying healthy. This is a sad way to start the season off and like I said before Steve Slaton will lead the texans in rushing.

Hervoyel
08-11-2008, 12:48 PM
I know that we did the right thing in drafting Duane Brown but a part of me really wanted everydown back Rashard Mendenhall because I knew that we couldn't count on Ahman Green & Chris Brown staying healthy. This is a sad way to start the season off and like I said before Steve Slaton will lead the texans in rushing.

I think almost all of us had that feeling. I knew then and still agree that we needed the LT. We've needed one forever and we've had terrible luck with that position. I still want a feature back and to my mind the offense is just not "complete" without that feature back.

I think that in the 2009 draft we'll see the Texans take that running back we've all been wanting since, well hell "2002" really. I think that there were just too many holes in this team when Kubiak & Smith got here for them to go right for a running back. You figure they took one season (2006) to add their own players and evaluate what we had on the roster already, then once they knew what they had they began the purge (2007) and started making it right. It's a minor miracle that we've got so few holes going into this season. These guys are good and they knew that grabbing a running back in the 2007 or 2008 drafts was just too soon. What's the point of drafting a stud RB if he can't get past the line of scrimmage because your line sucks?

We'll see one next year. Until then it's going to be tough to watch and hope we get lucky with Taylor, Walker, and Slaton. Green is done and Brown hasn't made one lick of differences since he got here.

aj.
08-11-2008, 01:48 PM
And I see exactly where gtexan02 is coming from. All you guys running your keyboards and talking about what a bum or loser Ahman is are off base. .

One person called him a loser - the same person who started the thread. I saw no one call him a bum.

I see a player that has little to nothing left and I think deep down he knows it. That doesn't mean he's a bad guy - it means he's become nearly worthless as a football player and the team needs to suck it up [again] and move on. I'd be happy to be wrong on this but I'm not overly optimistic that will be the case.

I suppose I was one of the 'all you guys' you were referring to but I don't feel that my comments are off-base. Like I said earlier, the people that are speculating more than anyone are those who for whatever reason think this guy can stay healthy and on the field for more than a few games. Based on what? A great off-season in the weight room and looking like a Pro Bowler in practice? Please.

I'm sure AG will do everything he can in the next three weeks to get on the 53 - but I don't think the Texans should save him a roster spot if he can't make it through a half against Dallas with no ill-effects. But even that doesn't mean he'll make it through that first hit by Polamalu.

forcefollow
08-11-2008, 01:50 PM
Dayne definately sucks, but at least he played. Ahman Green hasn't played much. Chris Brown doesn't look like he will play much. Walker and Taylor look anemic and Slaton may not prove to be an every down back. Dayne should lay off the jelly donuts and hamburgers just in case the Texans need him.

"THE TEXANS MUST DRAFT A RUNNING BACK NEXT YEAR"

The Pencil Neck
08-11-2008, 01:58 PM
"THE TEXANS MUST DRAFT A RUNNING BACK NEXT YEAR"

I think that was the plan all along. Before the draft, Smith said there were too many holes to fill in one draft. He traded back to get more picks to fill more holes and did a masterful job.

But I think the idea was to get our 3rd down back a little later in the draft this year AND if he steps up and becomes a viable starter, great. If not, that's fine, too. But try to get a bunch of backs together and piece together a decent year out of them. Then next year, getting that feature back is the priority. At least, that's what I've read into the moves that have been made so far.

Polo
08-11-2008, 01:59 PM
RB or DE in the first rd. next year

aj.
08-11-2008, 02:00 PM
I'll take RB for 100. At least in the first couple of rounds.

gtexan02
08-11-2008, 02:01 PM
One person called him a loser - the same person who started the thread. I saw no one call him a bum.

I see a player that has little to nothing left and I think deep down he knows it. That doesn't mean he's a bad guy - it means he's become nearly worthless as a football player and the team needs to suck it up [again] and move on. I'd be happy to be wrong on this but I'm not overly optimistic that will be the case.

I suppose I was one of the 'all you guys' you were referring to but I don't feel that my comments are off-base. Like I said earlier, the people that are speculating more than anyone are those who for whatever reason think this guy can stay healthy and on the field for more than a few games. Based on what? A great off-season in the weight room and looking like a Pro Bowler in practice? Please.

I'm sure AG will do everything he can in the next three weeks to get on the 53 - but I don't think the Texans should save him a roster spot if he can't make it through a half against Dallas with no ill-effects. But even that doesn't mean he'll make it through that first hit by Polamalu.

Your first post started with a detailed paragraph speculating about how green was shying away from contact. About how he was scared of getting injured and about how he didn't have any motivation left other than cashing paychecks.

You may not have called him a bum or a loser directly, but your words implied it pretty clearly

Hervoyel
08-11-2008, 02:22 PM
One person called him a loser - the same person who started the thread. I saw no one call him a bum.

I see a player that has little to nothing left and I think deep down he knows it. That doesn't mean he's a bad guy - it means he's become nearly worthless as a football player and the team needs to suck it up [again] and move on. I'd be happy to be wrong on this but I'm not overly optimistic that will be the case.

I suppose I was one of the 'all you guys' you were referring to but I don't feel that my comments are off-base. Like I said earlier, the people that are speculating more than anyone are those who for whatever reason think this guy can stay healthy and on the field for more than a few games. Based on what? A great off-season in the weight room and looking like a Pro Bowler in practice? Please.

I'm sure AG will do everything he can in the next three weeks to get on the 53 - but I don't think the Texans should save him a roster spot if he can't make it through a half against Dallas with no ill-effects. But even that doesn't mean he'll make it through that first hit by Polamalu.

You're right of course. Only one person in this thread called him a loser. My comment focused a little wider than that and I guess I should have made a point of saying that. In other threads here, on the main site, and on the Chronicle's comments section under the Slaton story today for instance I'm seeing a lot of hostility towards Green and it's going up a few notches following his groin injury and I think that at least as much of that hostility should be aimed at the team that keeps trying to make this work as the running back who can't see his own situation in a realistic light.

I'll be more specific in the future.

aj.
08-11-2008, 02:23 PM
Your first post started with a detailed paragraph speculating about how green was shying away from contact. About how he was scared of getting injured and about how he didn't have any motivation left other than cashing paychecks.

You may not have called him a bum or a loser directly, but your words implied it pretty clearly

My 'shying away from contact' comment was used in the context of his lost fire and edge ... like Eddie George in his later years when he played against Ray Lewis. Like Christain Okoye after he met Steve Atwater.

As far as his priorities and his motivations in life, I'm sure that getting on the 53 to guarantee his base salary of $4 million is right up there (what player/agent wouldn't?). Not sure about anything else.

If that's what you call a bum and a loser, that's your call. To me, bums and losers are guys that beat their wives or girlfriends.

If AG can't get on the field against Dallas and play a half without ill-effects, then all this discussion is moot anyway because he'll be cut.

disaacks3
08-11-2008, 02:52 PM
I think Green has seriously lost his edge, and what fire existed in Green Bay has been long since extinguished. At 31, he appears to be more concerned with cashing these last few paychecks than helping a team win football games. I think he's become shy of game contact and he knows inside that this is his last year, and since the Texans aren't going to get him another SB ring, why risk further injury right? He already has it all. So where is his motivation? Just make the 53.

There's no room to play tinker bell with Green and his roster spot any longer. Give me a hungry RB that wants to bust heads and make a name for himself. If Green's not able to appear in more than 5 games again this year (what evidence is there that he can?) cut him before final roster cutdown and save McNair a few million - because AG sure as hell hasn't earned it.

I was never big on this signing but now I'm seriously getting tired of his inability to stay on the field. Falling down untouched on your first touch of the preseason isn't a good sign. What happens when he starts getting hit by LBs? Rhetorical question. Most of us know what will happen. Post of the thread - AG looks like he'll do what it takes to make the 53, then fold up like a cheap suit in the rain. Let him cash retirement checks on some OTHER team's payroll.

What? AJ did the exact same thing

No contact on that play either. I guess 27 is the new 31 AJ has earned his 'pass' w/ the Texans, AG hasn't yet. 1 play, then like Keyser Soze - poof! he's gone!


Green shouldn't be glossed Mr. Glass because he has put in a bunch of NFL seasons and has come back from a really bad injury--it's not like he never was able to get on a field. But he's an old running back, and he appears to be done. He's one of the many GB re-treads that we thought could give us a couple of years. In this case, it just isn't happening. I don't wish him ill, but 2007 was a disappointment and 2008 is setting that bar even lower.

Ckw
08-11-2008, 04:28 PM
I am sure your husband could last longer than ONE FRIGGIN PLAY

:spit:

Maddict5
08-11-2008, 04:50 PM
maybe im looking through rose tinted glasses but i think y'all are way overreacting over this and where is the talk that he has little to nothing left/ just cashing checks coming from?

everyone agrees hes looked great in camp.. works really hard in the offseason. so wheres it coming from please.. he strained/pulled his groin. it happens- he'll be back and will hopefully have a productive 2008 and im quite confident he will

ahman green has plenty of money- its not like its zgonina/salaam etc who have scraped through their entire careers without ever really getting 'paid'

sounds to me like people are stirring which is understandable since things are looking pretty decent.. last year it was mario and the 'slug' travis johnson, this year its ahmans turn i guess

Hervoyel
08-11-2008, 05:00 PM
maybe im looking through rose tinted glasses but i think y'all are way overreacting over this and where is the talk that he has little to nothing left/ just cashing checks coming from?

everyone agrees hes looked great in camp.. works really hard in the offseason. so wheres it coming from please.. he strained/pulled his groin. it happens- he'll be back and will hopefully have a productive 2008 and im quite confident he will

ahman green has plenty of money- its not like its zgonina/salaam etc who have scraped through their entire careers without ever really getting 'paid'

sounds to me like people are stirring which is understandable since things are looking pretty decent.. last year it was mario and the 'slug' travis johnson, this year its ahmans turn i guess

I think you're wrong. I don't think it's just Ahman's day in the barrell. I think it's a case of Texans fans being understandably nervous because Ahman Green has yet to be successful as a Texan and the thought of a replay of last season with Chris Brown playing the part of Ron Dayne is not something we want to see.

Sure some of it is a little over the top and that's hard to deny but it's perfectly understandable. All that needs to happen to make it all stop is for Ahman Green to have the kind of season he's been saying he's going to have since we signed him. Just one will be fine.

Joe Texan
08-11-2008, 05:08 PM
AAAAAHHHHHHHman Green fell down before he got hit. He self injured himself.
Seems like we have had this type of thing before, only we called it self sacking or the fetal position.

Maddict5
08-11-2008, 05:09 PM
I think you're wrong. I don't think it's just Ahman's day in the barrell. I think it's a case of Texans fans being understandably nervous because Ahman Green has yet to be successful as a Texan and the thought of a replay of last season with Chris Brown playing the part of Ron Dayne is not something we want to see.

Sure some of it is a little over the top and that's hard to deny but it's perfectly understandable. All that needs to happen to make it all stop is for Ahman Green to have the kind of season he's been saying he's going to have since we signed him. Just one will be fine.

he started off well then took a freak hit to his knee that kinda fecked up last season... this year he strained his groin. (sh) it happens. luck plays a huge part of success in the nfl. he hasnt been lucky since he joined us but its only been one season.. you make it sound like its DC and we're on year 3/4/5 of this same stuff

he been as unlucky as AJ since he been here but hes the only one getting the mr glass tag (and dont give me any rhetoric about the reason AJ gets a pass is that hes had success with the texans... bottom line is that AG has had just as much success in the nfl if not with us)

im not saying we should be getting on AJ's case.. im just saying we should be so hard on ahman. both are great pros, 12 month players and shouldnt get trashed over a MINOR injury

Maddict5
08-11-2008, 05:10 PM
AAAAAHHHHHHHman Green fell down before he got hit. He self injured himself.
Seems like we have had this type of thing before, only we called it self sacking or the fetal position.

:yawn: so did AJ.. your point?

Hervoyel
08-11-2008, 05:47 PM
he started off well then took a freak hit to his knee that kinda fecked up last season... this year he strained his groin. (sh) it happens. luck plays a huge part of success in the nfl. he hasnt been lucky since he joined us but its only been one season.. you make it sound like its DC and we're on year 3/4/5 of this same stuff

he been as unlucky as AJ since he been here but hes the only one getting the mr glass tag (and dont give me any rhetoric about the reason AJ gets a pass is that hes had success with the texans... bottom line is that AG has had just as much success in the nfl if not with us)

im not saying we should be getting on AJ's case.. im just saying we should be so hard on ahman. both are great pros, 12 month players and shouldnt get trashed over a MINOR injury

And I'm talking about why he's getting this treatment from the fans and saying that it's perfectly understandable. We're a fanbase with a short fuse right now. If the LT leaves the field with a limp we're all sitting there with this sinking feeling in the pit of our stomach. If the QB starts to look like he's holding the ball too long then we're all rolling our eyes and thinking of David Carr. If Ahman Green starts 2008 with an injury on his first play from scrimmage in preseason we all look at each other and nod our heads because THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE ALL BEEN WAITING TO SEE.

Fair, not fair. most of us don't give a crap. It's the baggage this team has and the kind of stuff you have to go through if you play here. Until a LT succeeds we're going to have our hearts in our throat every time he looks like he's hurt. Until a QB has success here we're going to have David Carr just a little bit on the brain. Our history or "pattern" at RB is one of failure, injury, and frustration with small "blips" of success here and there but mostly years of disappointment. Free agent backs haven't worked out here so far and Ahman Green is just a more heralded Stacy Mack until he succeeds. Chris Brown is just another "hurt all the time" Ahman Green until he gets out there and proves otherwise.

I was saying that the Ahman Green deal was a bad move the day it was made and I was not alone. I wanted to see it work out but I always expected it to turn out like it has and I expect the same thing in 2008. I want better but I don't expect it.

Maddict5
08-11-2008, 06:04 PM
And I'm talking about why he's getting this treatment from the fans and saying that it's perfectly understandable. We're a fanbase with a short fuse right now. If the LT leaves the field with a limp we're all sitting there with this sinking feeling in the pit of our stomach. If the QB starts to look like he's holding the ball too long then we're all rolling our eyes and thinking of David Carr. If Ahman Green starts 2008 with an injury on his first play from scrimmage in preseason we all look at each other and nod our heads because THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE ALL BEEN WAITING TO SEE.

Fair, not fair. most of us don't give a crap. It's the baggage this team has and the kind of stuff you have to go through if you play here. Until a LT succeeds we're going to have our hearts in our throat every time he looks like he's hurt. Until a QB has success here we're going to have David Carr just a little bit on the brain. Our history or "pattern" at RB is one of failure, injury, and frustration with small "blips" of success here and there but mostly years of disappointment. Free agent backs haven't worked out here so far and Ahman Green is just a more heralded Stacy Mack until he succeeds. Chris Brown is just another "hurt all the time" Ahman Green until he gets out there and proves otherwise.

I was saying that the Ahman Green deal was a bad move the day it was made and I was not alone. I wanted to see it work out but I always expected it to turn out like it has and I expect the same thing in 2008. I want better but I don't expect it.

thats fine but i dont overreact irrationally just because we had a crappy team..

saying all our rb's/lt's are cursed just because its happened to a couple guys in our short (crappy) history is stupid.. doesnt mean its always going to happen forever. like i said, with injuries its mostly blind luck.

if we had taken 'cant miss' reggie bush and he had been crap, these same people wouldve said its proof our rb's are cursed which is crap.. we were lucky our braintrust can make good decisions. AG wasnt a bad decision imo.. hes shown he can still play very well when healthy (in TC and some of his few games).. he had that unlucky injury last year and just nicked himself a small bit there on saturday..

sorry but that isnt proof of anything in my book especially as it was a pre-season game so precautionary measures are top of the list

ATXtexanfan
08-11-2008, 06:51 PM
what's the difference between ahman going down in a preseason game to avoid contact when he didn't feel right and AJ pulling up on a deep route in practice? hell, profootballtalk.com is already questioning AJ's durability and i can't wait to see that thread if AJ isn't ready for the opener a month from now. isn't preseason mainly about your starters avoiding injury?

El cabezon
08-11-2008, 07:38 PM
http://www.the-reel-mccoy.com/movies/2000/images/unbreakable3.jpg

ONE FRIGGIN PLAY and he goes out of the game. Cut this guy for the love of God please. He is more fragile than 1,000 year old pottery. Its INSANE to pin any hopes on this guy. The Texans have done this WAY too much in their history. The list is endless: Boselli, Spencer, Domanick Davis, etc.

I don't care if he is doing yoga or whatever crap to loosen up. He has too much tread on his tires and he is stealing a paycheck. Cut this loser now.

Since you are in the business of cutting players, why don't you cut Andre Johnson, he missed 7 games last year due to an injury and had a pulled groin last week

TheRealJoker
08-11-2008, 08:11 PM
Since you are in the business of cutting players, why don't you cut Andre Johnson, he missed 7 games last year due to an injury and had a pulled groin last week

Simple, WRs have much longer careers than RBs on average. AG is at an age where RBs careers usually end. A very good RB will usually give a team 4-6 years of solid productivity as a starter. The Packers already took those years, very rarely does a RB AG's age and injury history produce after 30.

AJ however is only 27 and judging by past WRs hasn't even seen his prime years yet and could conceivably give us 10 more years of great WR play if he takes care of his body.

aj.
08-11-2008, 08:27 PM
so wheres it coming from please..


It's coming from the fact that Ahman Green has been able to play in only 25 of his last 48 games, missing 23 totally, and in at least two of those 25 he appeared in, he had to leave the game early due to injury.



he'll be back and will hopefully have a productive 2008 and im quite confident he will

And this confidence is coming from where, please?



I hope more than anything that I'm proven wrong and that I have to eat doo. I'm not nervous about anything - I've just never been optimistic about Green or Brown this year or any year looking forward. Frustrated is a better word - and I've felt that way for a while - not just since Saturday night.

Wolf
08-11-2008, 08:35 PM
Simple, WRs have much longer careers than RBs on average. AG is at an age where RBs careers usually end. A very good RB will usually give a team 4-6 years of solid productivity as a starter. The Packers already took those years, very rarely does a RB AG's age and injury history produce after 30.

AJ however is only 27 and judging by past WRs hasn't even seen his prime years yet and could conceivably give us 10 more years of great WR play if he takes care of his body.


I remember when people were questioning AJ's eyesight

Koolaid Time
08-11-2008, 10:37 PM
Actually I'm surprised that "Mr. Glass" survived the first day of cuts this past spring.

I agree.. he is just looking for a easy paycheck.

Joe Texan
08-11-2008, 10:46 PM
My point is that he needs the knife, the saw or whatever cuts his ties with this team

HJam72
08-11-2008, 10:48 PM
I remember when people were questioning AJ's eyesight

He musta got contacts. :thinking:

The1ApplePie
08-11-2008, 11:31 PM
An RB that won't take a hit and a QB that can't take a hit...

At least our backups look good

RED_ROOSTER
08-12-2008, 12:32 PM
Ahman will be fine, it was one of those fluke things... it kinda caught me off guard too, like what was that, but , he'll be alright, give the vet a chance.

Joe Texan
08-12-2008, 02:04 PM
Ahman will be fine, it was one of those fluke things... it kinda caught me off guard too, like what was that, but , he'll be alright, give the vet a chance.


don't you mean give the aging injured guy a paycheck

NBT
08-12-2008, 02:51 PM
He got a chance last year, and this year..........?

AustinJB
08-12-2008, 07:17 PM
Since you are in the business of cutting players, why don't you cut Andre Johnson, he missed 7 games last year due to an injury and had a pulled groin last week

Ok...so this argument is getting really old really fast.

Let's take an injury-prone, aging, has-been RB and (in order to make a point) compare his injury to a Pro Bowl, in-the-middle-of-his-prime WR who missed a few games last year with an injury.

Yes, AJ currently has a tweaked groin too, but the difference is in their production...not to mention their age. AJ is young and still has time to prove that his injuries aren't a common occurance. Green....not so much. Even after missing seven game last year, AJ was still one of the best WRs in the game last year when he did play...and obviously was a differnce-maker. Green played "decent" when he wasn't injured (if you can remember back that far), but no where near AJ's play.

Aaaaahman Green hasn't been able to avoid injuries or play up to his potential since Brett Favre first thought about retirement. And yes I realize that Green was once a Pro Bowler as well, but what does that matter? So was Boselli...remember how that worked out? I'm sorry, but anyone that tries to compare AJ's injuries with Green's reoccuring injuries are grasping for excuses IMO. If AJ has the same injury problem for the next 4-5 years....THEN come talk to me and you will have a valid point.

El cabezon
08-12-2008, 07:25 PM
Simple, WRs have much longer careers than RBs on average. AG is at an age where RBs careers usually end. A very good RB will usually give a team 4-6 years of solid productivity as a starter. The Packers already took those years, very rarely does a RB AG's age and injury history produce after 30.

AJ however is only 27 and judging by past WRs hasn't even seen his prime years yet and could conceivably give us 10 more years of great WR play if he takes care of his body.

I have been watching football since the late 70's, I know about the shelf life of a running back ( approx. 4 years), I was just being sarcastic, thanks for your info.

HJam72
08-12-2008, 10:09 PM
Ok...so this argument is getting really old really fast.

Let's take an injury-prone, aging, has-been RB and (in order to make a point) compare his injury to a Pro Bowl, in-the-middle-of-his-prime WR who missed a few games last year with an injury.

Yes, AJ currently has a tweaked groin too, but the difference is in their production...not to mention their age. AJ is young and still has time to prove that his injuries aren't a common occurance. Green....not so much. Even after missing seven game last year, AJ was still one of the best WRs in the game last year when he did play...and obviously was a differnce-maker. Green played "decent" when he wasn't injured (if you can remember back that far), but no where near AJ's play.

Aaaaahman Green hasn't been able to avoid injuries or play up to his potential since Brett Favrefirst thought about retirement. And yes I realize that Green was once a Pro Bowler as well, but what does that matter? So was Boselli...remember how that worked out? I'm sorry, but anyone that tries to compare AJ's injuries with Green's reoccuring injuries are grasping for excuses IMO. If AJ has the same injury problem for the next 4-5 years....THEN come talk to me and you will have a valid point.

I won't even highlight it. Just don't talk about AJ like that. He won't be injury prone. He won't be injury prone. :brickwall:

Joe Texan
08-13-2008, 12:18 AM
This thread is not even worthy of an AJ quote