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TheRealJoker
08-10-2008, 12:26 AM
How would you rate his performance? He got to see some time against Dumervil and watching it at Reliant Stadium I thought he did quite well aside from the time he was pushed back into Sage on our 2nd series the 3rd down before the FG.

Solid performance from the rookie in pass blocking, I didn't really notice them running to his side much. We didn't have much going running the ball against their starters. I thought our interior OL was getting beaten for most of the game.

b0ng
08-10-2008, 12:29 AM
Brown looked pretty good in pass protection. Run blocking left a little something to be desired, but then again, the entire O-line wasn't exactly opening up the biggest holes ever.

Overall I'll take it, and it's a helluva lot better pick than Chris Williams has turned out to be.

TheRealJoker
08-10-2008, 12:40 AM
I think he's got the feet to hang with the edge rushers he'll be seeing. Dumervil is an elite edge rusher and Brown hung pretty nicely with him. His biggest problem though is going to be his lack of strength at the point of attack which will be exposed by the bullrushers he'll go up against. Its good that he's practicing against Mario for that but he's gonna have to add strength to be better equipped to handle that in the NFL.

beerlover
08-10-2008, 12:43 AM
my major concern is ONE can he stay healthy TWO can he break through the rookie wall THREE can Gibbs keep him going forward :jogger:

gtexan02
08-10-2008, 11:03 AM
If you grade his performance by number of sacks given up and number of penalties, he did well. I watched him during run blocking and he didn't excite me much.

Vinny
08-10-2008, 11:09 AM
He played better than I expected and in the regular season we will be able to give him plenty of help since Winston doesn't need much help on his side. I feel a little better about the prospects of him starting after watching him yesterday. As an aside, he looks a little out of shape for a guy who has to rely on being more of an athlete than other OT's though.

YoungTexanFan
08-10-2008, 11:37 AM
As I mentioned in another thread, he was eaten up by bull rushes.

When he would rail block to the second level, his LB would shed and continue about half the time it seemed. I am VERY nervous about him in the regular season. Run blocking to the left was not too good while he was in the game.

awtysst
08-10-2008, 11:40 AM
[QUOTE=YoungTexanFan;969582 Run blocking to the left was not too good while he was in the game.[/QUOTE]

To be honest, run blocking anywhere was not too good. I did not think that Brown was especially bad at run blocking, the whole line stunk it up.

thunderkyss
08-10-2008, 11:46 AM
Solid performance from the rookie in pass blocking, I didn't really notice them running to his side much. We didn't have much going running the ball against their starters. I thought our interior OL was getting beaten for most of the game.

Not trying to school you or anything, just wanted to point out an observation of mine.

In the ZBS running game, the big plays come on the backside of the play. Let's say they run to Winston's side. If the backside guard, center & Tackle cut their guys, there is a huge hole on the backside of the play. The defense is stuck on the front side of the play, and viola, big gain in the run game.

None of our guys were getting where they should've been on the backside... hence, there were no holes.

hopefully last nights game was exactly what they needed, to see the difference between practice, and game time. Hopefully, we'll see a dramatic change, as the preseason continues, and we get closer to Pittsburgh.

nunusguy
08-10-2008, 12:31 PM
Duane held his own and didn't commit any screw-ups last night, at least in any kind of major way. So I'd have to say he did a pretty dang effective job of busting his NFL cherry against the Broncos. And it has to be a huge positive for his confidance factor.
Regarding the run-blocking component of his game, we shouldn't forget that this was the first time that Duane and the rest of the Texans Olineman have excecuted Gibbs full-blown ZB schemes, cut-blocking and all.

Hagar
08-10-2008, 12:39 PM
As I mentioned in another thread, he was eaten up by bull rushes. Yeah, he gave up a little too much ground in pass protection, but to say he got eaten up is a little harsh. Duane missed one block on one running play, that's it. He stayed in front of his man on pass protection and the QB's were never in any danger from his side. I'd say that was pretty good, considering Chris Williams (14th pick) is having surgery for a herniated disc in his back and Gosder Cherilus (17th pick) was boo'ed by the crowd after his third penalty.

The kids got the tools and did a heck of a job for his first NFL game. I'd say we did pretty well with our 26th pick.

Hagar
08-10-2008, 12:49 PM
Duane held his own and didn't commit any screw-ups last night, at least in any kind of major way.I'd say Duane made one screw up. On the first drive, somewhere around the Broncl's 30 yard line, we ran Taylor up the middle. The Bronco's DE stunted to the inside and Duane totally missed him. Taylor was hit at the line of scrimmage for little to no gain. While some wouldn't call it major because it wasn't a sack on the QB or anything dramatic like that, I would say major in the sense that Duane was wiffing at air. Still, all in all, I'd say it was a strong performance.

pittbull3
08-10-2008, 12:50 PM
I thought Duane did a check of a job, in his first game, against, Non-Texan competition. Sometimes as fans we can trivialize the game. I would attribute it to playstation, old high school dreams, and ignorance....lol. It's extrememly tough in the NFL, and the jump from college to Pro is light years. All camp long, he goes against guys that he gets used to their respective technique, speed, and ability. For him to do as well as he did in pass protection was an awesome sight, against new competition. As for the run blocking, this is more line cohesive, therefore grades are hard to give. I give the kid an A- for pass protection, but a B overall, because he is part of the non-running production.:tiphat:

Overalls
08-10-2008, 02:07 PM
As I said in another thread I didn't get to see the first quarter of the game but from the post in this thread and others I get the impression that our run game was basicaly like last years. Not good. Ok here is my little 2 cents on this. One problem with the ZBS is that they won't practice it against their own defense because of injury concerns. Thus this is the first time that they have been able to use it in a live contact type situation. I am not saying that I know the run game will come around but it is posible that what we saw last night is not what we will see once the O-line men are able to "practice" it a few more times this preseason. It MIGHT come around and be what we hope it to be.

Lucky
08-10-2008, 02:13 PM
One problem with the ZBS is that they won't practice it against their own defense because of injury concerns. Thus this is the first time that they have been able to use it in a live contact type situation.
Well, they practice zone blocking. They just don't perform the actual cut blocks.

Another aspect to be considered is the Broncos familiarity with the ZBS. Their defense sees it twice a day. I would be very surprised if the Texans don't run the ball much better against the Saints, next week.

Overalls
08-10-2008, 07:03 PM
Well, they practice zone blocking. They just don't perform the actual cut blocks.

Another aspect to be considered is the Broncos familiarity with the ZBS. Their defense sees it twice a day. I would be very surprised if the Texans don't run the ball much better against the Saints, next week.

I didn't think about that but you are right about it.

Polo
08-10-2008, 07:21 PM
Another aspect to be considered is the Broncos familiarity with the ZBS. Their defense sees it twice a day.

Bingo...

When a defense is always seeing the ZBS they learn to start reacting to steps...

HJam72
08-10-2008, 07:25 PM
Yes, but when an offense is used to seeing a defense that is used to them and reacts to them, they learn to react to that; but, if they react to quickly, they pull their groins. :includeme:

Ole Miss Texan
08-10-2008, 08:17 PM
He convinced me he deserves to be our starter against Pittsburgh even if Salaam is 100% healthy. I always thought he'd be the type to groom into the role, play him during some games... and then finally start him 4-8 games in. I guess Kubiak really does know what he's doing :cool:LOL

Pantherstang84
08-10-2008, 09:55 PM
A quick question for the Playstation/Madden head coach wannabes.

Step in your way back machine, remember the last 2 years and answer this simple question?

Who would you rather have guarding Schaub's backside? Duane Brown or Ephraim Salaam?

Wolf
08-11-2008, 08:33 PM
question because I didn't see the game

I am so optimistic about hearing what y'all say about brown

but.. as NFL football fans .. (not Texan fans)

how would you rate him ..does he seem that good or is it the best that WE have seen in a steel blue uniform?


just taking a step back and wondering for conversation sake (because again, I didn't see the game) and two it is vanilla out there on the defenses

The Pencil Neck
08-11-2008, 09:28 PM
question because I didn't see the game

I am so optimistic about hearing what y'all say about brown

but.. as NFL football fans .. (not Texan fans)

how would you rate him ..does he seem that good or is it the best that WE have seen in a steel blue uniform?


just taking a step back and wondering for conversation sake (because again, I didn't see the game) and two it is vanilla out there on the defenses

Objectively, he seemed "OK" to me. Not great. He missed some assignments in the run game.

But he was going against Dumerville and in pass protection, he held up just fine. He didn't make mental errors (that I could see). No penalties.

So... considering that he's a rook, that's pretty damned impressive.

Hooston Texan
08-11-2008, 10:40 PM
question because I didn't see the game

I am so optimistic about hearing what y'all say about brown

but.. as NFL football fans .. (not Texan fans)

how would you rate him ..does he seem that good or is it the best that WE have seen in a steel blue uniform?


just taking a step back and wondering for conversation sake (because again, I didn't see the game) and two it is vanilla out there on the defenses

The best thing that Duane did against the Broncos was . . . play. Contrast with the two OT prospects that most of us were hoping againse hope would fall to us (Chris Williams and Brandon Albert--cue the I-told-you-so's to now bombard the thread with, "I didn't want Williams because I'm sooo stinkin' brilliant.").

I cannot claim to have watched the tape nearly as close as others within this thread. But what I did see was that it was not open season on our QB's backsides--aside from the one corner blitz that would not have been Brown's responsibility. Of course, Dumervil is the prototype speed rusher, so who knows if he can handle a pure bull rush.

Our run blocking was not good, but I am not prepared to say that Brown was the only culprit. He clearly has some work to do. Which is pretty much what you'd expect from a rookie who saw seven players at his position picked ahead of him.

If Brown can take his lumps without forcing his QBs to take theirs, I'm OK with having him play his way through his learning curve.

Wolf
08-11-2008, 10:48 PM
thanks for the responses I was curious

Dancerdog
08-12-2008, 09:34 AM
I want to see how he performs against the Saints. If there is one thing Denver's defense knows, it's the ZBS. They practice against it all the time. Maybe Duane's run blocking will look better against the Saints.

nunusguy
08-12-2008, 10:15 AM
IMO Duane played better, maybe far better than Clady who was the top LT drafted this past spring. But then Dumerville was a lesser assignment than Mario.
Good first game for Duane, now he's got Will Smith in NOLA who will be much stronger than Dumervile.

threetoedpete
08-12-2008, 10:23 AM
Well he isn't Joe Thomas...and he's never going to be. Want Joe Thomas type you've gotta lose 12+ games or give up a bunch of picks. And in seven years here, I've seen no one advocating that. Considering two of the guys I was hot for Brandon Albert and Chriss Williams are already hurt....and the third Clady got the poodle collar put on him by Mario, I'd say we're ahead of the game. Saints feature a couple of good DEs...this will be the next step on the ladder for Duane Brown. I was very disappointed in the rushing attack....the only thing I can hang my hat on is I saw no, zilch, zero, back side cut blocks. I think Duane will excel at that.

The glaring thing to me on on the offensive line execution...and yeah I'm all for it- the play that Ahmen went gimpy on...o-lineman in space, two targets....we wiff one more time. Same 'ol same 'ol.

Gonna expend all of that energy to get out there, you gotta fall down ,at least fall in front of someones feet and make a road block. The only one we got who knows how to execute a block in space is Winston. And that's damned sad to me.

Someone was banging me last Thursday or Friday over my concern for our new center....well we're going to find out if Myers can throw his little skinny leg over the Cedric Ellis wall. Mr. Ellis if he's playing, will thin out the guard choices this weekend.

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