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gtexan02
08-09-2008, 08:34 PM
Nice pick by Fletcher at the end of the half

Goldensilence
08-09-2008, 08:34 PM
I remember a while back we were talking about possibly drafting Harris. Man am I glad we didn't.

bollocks
08-09-2008, 08:35 PM
Good way to end the half. Cheers y'all! Time for a brew.

Brando
08-09-2008, 08:35 PM
Fletcher with the INT! Ends the half....:texflag:

ChrisG
08-09-2008, 08:35 PM
i was worried about our secondary but i'm feeling a little better:d:

OzzO
08-09-2008, 08:35 PM
back (if you were worried) - woulda repped ya goldensilence on the radio feeds, came back to 610 not streaming, but I gotta spread it.

scanned through the thread - apparently didn't miss much... but welcome to game 1 of preseason.

valleytexfan
08-09-2008, 08:36 PM
secondary and David Anderson are awesome tonight...

Mailman
08-09-2008, 08:36 PM
A rather unimpressive first half IMO.

The running game is non-existent and the defense hasn't held on third down.

Brown has performed well, which is a very good sign.

dtran04
08-09-2008, 08:37 PM
I was really annoyed at how the announcers thought it was a fake punt call. It was even't close to that. It was clear that there was too much pressure and would have gotten the punt blocked. They didn't even mention that.

awtysst
08-09-2008, 08:38 PM
Seemed like an eh effort overall for the first half. I pleasantly surprised by Mr. Brown. He seemed to look fine out there. Taylor seemed to misread a few holes though. I want to see how Slaton looks though.

Thorn
08-09-2008, 08:38 PM
I'd like to see Slayton run a few times in the 2nd half.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
08-09-2008, 08:40 PM
For those of you who can't watch the game...

http://www.justin.tv/sportcenter

Click on archives if you want to watch the first half.

pappy
08-09-2008, 08:41 PM
Well we have seen a half and my opinion is
offense = c No running game so far
defense = F linebackers are not showing up , the backs and tightends are eating us up .

pappy
08-09-2008, 08:43 PM
Seemed like an eh effort overall for the first half. I pleasantly surprised by Mr. Brown. He seemed to look fine out there. Taylor seemed to misread a few holes though. I want to see how Slaton looks though.

did you see taylor watch that db run past him and cream sage , taylor is just plain poor so far .

OzzO
08-09-2008, 08:43 PM
For those of you who can't watch the game...

http://www.justin.tv/sportcenter

Click on archives if you want to watch the first half.

Good find! I just saw this in the other thread.

Brandon420tx
08-09-2008, 08:44 PM
did you see taylor watch that db run past him and cream sage , taylor is just plain poor so far .

He was looking for blitzes from the front, can't really fault him the CBs didn't show blitz till about 1 second before the snap.

bollocks
08-09-2008, 08:48 PM
Has Chris Brown seen any carries? I find it odd that he is no where to be seen, wasn't he the original 2nd string RB?

awtysst
08-09-2008, 08:48 PM
Well, hopefully we can improve our running game and Pass blocking in the next 3 weeks.

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 08:48 PM
Offense:
WRs are not getting any separation. All the catches have been because of well placed balls and good body position. None are made in space and we have had almost 0 yards after catch

RB is not doing anything. He has had little to work with, but on the few occassions there have been holes, they've been missed

OL is doing great in pass coverage but is the worst run blocking I've seen yet from them. They look like high school kids

Defense

DL is getting minimal pressure. They are doing a good job of stuffing inside runs, but are not containing anything screened/blitzed/or outside

LBs are completely out of the game. Diles had a couple of good hits, but Ryans and Greenwood look pretty poor. They are horrible in coverage

DBs have had two picks but both have been by poor balls thrown by Ramsey. They are playing the run poorly

All in all I give us a C- for the 1st half. Special teams is the only redeeming feature

ChrisG
08-09-2008, 08:48 PM
i'm getting a double feed from KLVI damn online

OzzO
08-09-2008, 08:48 PM
game is back on from steel blue's link above!

SWEET!

Specnatz
08-09-2008, 08:49 PM
Has Chris Brown seen any carries? I find it odd that he is no where to be seen, wasn't he the original 2nd string RB?

Nope and no Walker either.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 08:49 PM
David Anderson is the Man.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 08:50 PM
Darius looked good on that run.

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 08:50 PM
Walker in and first run is positive. Where has he been the 1st half?

Goldensilence
08-09-2008, 08:51 PM
David Anderson is making a case for making the team.

4- 54 yard and a TD

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 08:51 PM
I didn't like Sage's rollout on that play.

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 08:51 PM
C Brown isn't going to be played this game.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 08:51 PM
Free play and Anderson makes them pay.

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 08:52 PM
Jeez, david anderson is catching everything

Specnatz
08-09-2008, 08:52 PM
Walker in and first run is positive. Where has he been the 1st half?

On the sidelines cause it is week one of the preseason.

bollocks
08-09-2008, 08:52 PM
Man, Anderson is playing like gold. He's definitely earning a spot.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 08:52 PM
Tough running by Walker there. He got a few even though he was in the pile.

ChrisG
08-09-2008, 08:53 PM
JJ!!!!:kingkong:

Specnatz
08-09-2008, 08:53 PM
Jones .. man what a catch.

OzzO
08-09-2008, 08:53 PM
nice friggin throw and catch!

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 08:53 PM
Nice catch JJ

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 08:53 PM
JACOBY!!!!!!!
41 yards!!!
Great protection.

Mailman
08-09-2008, 08:53 PM
I'm not concerned in the least about the passing game, but we have got to be able to consistently run the football to have any chance against the Colts.

Brando
08-09-2008, 08:54 PM
41 yards to JJ!!!!!! woohoo!

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
08-09-2008, 08:54 PM
David Anderson has a strangle hold on the 5th receiver spot.

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 08:54 PM
dammit sage, what was that?

bollocks
08-09-2008, 08:54 PM
Great throw by Rosenfels, great catch by J.J.. I hope Jones can do more of that this season.

Mailman
08-09-2008, 08:54 PM
Nice catch JJ

Nice protection Duane Brown!

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 08:54 PM
Why wasn't Walker the second guy in?

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 08:55 PM
Darius is a definite upgrade over Taylor. He makes 1 cut and goes

PapaL
08-09-2008, 08:55 PM
For those of you who can't watch the game...

http://www.justin.tv/sportcenter

Click on archives if you want to watch the first half.

Umm this seems to be playing the game real time w/video.

Brando
08-09-2008, 08:55 PM
3rd and goal from the 6th. Who gets the ball????

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 08:55 PM
They had our number on that play but Anderson still made a good play.

Goldensilence
08-09-2008, 08:55 PM
Go for it!!!!

Mailman
08-09-2008, 08:56 PM
Another stalled drive.

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 08:56 PM
I didn't care for that 3rd down call.


Our RZ offense looks just like vintage Texans

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 08:56 PM
Umm this seems to be playing the game real time w/video.

Yep. That's what I'm watching now. I repped whoever posted the link first. Ozzo, was it?

valleytexfan
08-09-2008, 08:56 PM
David Anderson!!!!!!

OzzO
08-09-2008, 08:57 PM
Yep. That's what I'm watching now. I repped whoever posted the link first. Ozzo, was it?

Nope - Steel Blue Texans, I repped him also. Great find (he found it off the Broncos board - knew they were good for something.)

PapaL
08-09-2008, 08:58 PM
Seriously how sad is it that I pay for Sunday Ticket and am watching th game on my laptop through some bootleg site?

awtysst
08-09-2008, 08:58 PM
bizarre play call. Why not throw to your TE in the endzone?

Brandon420tx
08-09-2008, 08:58 PM
Its good to see Jacoby smile :)

bollocks
08-09-2008, 08:59 PM
David Anderson has a strangle hold on the 5th receiver spot.

5th? He's shown me more than J.J. and is arguably looking a lot like the quicker version of Walter, always good for a clutch catch. It's a little hasty to be predicting the depth chart, but David Anderson is quickly proving that he's better than 5th.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:00 PM
Seriously how sad is it that I pay for Sunday Ticket and am watching th game on my laptop through some bootleg site?

Well, heck, it's not Sunday, is it?

Our "ticket" is only good for Sunday... :gun:

PapaL
08-09-2008, 09:02 PM
Well, heck, it's not Sunday, is it?

Our "ticket" is only good for Sunday... :gun:

lol - Guess I never thought of it that way...

Damn stream went out.

ChrisG
08-09-2008, 09:02 PM
live feed just ended :thinking:

ChrisG
08-09-2008, 09:02 PM
live feed just ended :thinking:

back on

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:03 PM
I'll give up the feed if it gets the Bronco's offense off the field.

ChrisG
08-09-2008, 09:04 PM
JJ doing 2 much

OzzO
08-09-2008, 09:04 PM
JJ.... sometimes... you just gotta pick one way.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:04 PM
Dammit, Jacoby.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
08-09-2008, 09:04 PM
Jacoby just shook the entire Broncos special teams unit but fumbled the football.

bollocks
08-09-2008, 09:04 PM
J.J.....why?

Brandon420tx
08-09-2008, 09:04 PM
Jacoby is having too much fun out there

Mailman
08-09-2008, 09:04 PM
Brainfart by Jacoby Jones.

RUN UPFIELD, SON.

awtysst
08-09-2008, 09:05 PM
wow. JJ needs to stop his fumbling or else he will be gone from special teams and possibly moved to the back of the WR depth chart.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:05 PM
You gotta admit, though, those were some AMAZING moves.

Specnatz
08-09-2008, 09:05 PM
ball just slipped outta his hand.

He should have went out of bounds instead of tryin to make something out of nothing.

awtysst
08-09-2008, 09:06 PM
You gotta admit, though, those were some AMAZING moves.

yeah but at the end of the day job one is to hold onto the football.

Brandon420tx
08-09-2008, 09:06 PM
You gotta admit, though, those were some AMAZING moves.

They were sweet, when I saw the blocking on the coverage I thought he was going down after 2-3 yards, then there were about 5 times I thought they had him tackled, oh well.

Mailman
08-09-2008, 09:08 PM
i can't fault the guy for trying to do his job and make something happen.

they put a helmet on the ball TWICE during that play and he held on.

it happens.

I completely disagree. There is such a thing as doing too much. The play broke down and JJ was losing yards.

Brandon420tx
08-09-2008, 09:08 PM
Okam with the deflection at the line

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 09:09 PM
Michael Phelps gets the gold! New World Record in the 400 Medley

It was more exciting than Texans preseason. Is that blasphemy?

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:09 PM
Field Goal, Denver.

At least the defense held there... although it was more about Ramsey's passes than our D.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:09 PM
Okam with the deflection at the line

Oh, did he? I couldn't see that in my feed. Cool.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:11 PM
Was that Slaton that just went down?

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 09:11 PM
CONGRATS MICHAEL PHELPS!

Gold medal #7

Was a great race.

Mailman
08-09-2008, 09:12 PM
the kid gets paid to make something happen.
he was trying to do just that.
he's made his money with quick, choppy erratic cuts.

if he'd have held onto the ball...everybody would've been saying how GREAT it was.

he didn't.
stuff happens.

Actually, even if he'd held on to the ball I'd say the same thing. It's very rare that running backwards results in a big run or a TD. The risk is too great. His job is to catch the ball and go, not make like a contestant on Dancing With the Stars.

OzzO
08-09-2008, 09:12 PM
Is this Shane Boyd's first time in?

Carr Bombed
08-09-2008, 09:13 PM
Jacoby Jones = http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fail-bike-umbrella.jpg

You can't do all the showboating and then go out and get owned like that.

He's going to hear that from Gary big time.

bollocks
08-09-2008, 09:13 PM
Great bootleg by Boyd there. Text-book perfection.

Brandon420tx
08-09-2008, 09:13 PM
HOLY @$%^! Boyd faked the defense right into each other hahahaha

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:13 PM
Boyd's kicking some butt on the boots.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
08-09-2008, 09:14 PM
Tim Carter

Seriously?

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:14 PM
OK.

Who the heck is 16?

bollocks
08-09-2008, 09:14 PM
Man, what the hell was that Carter?

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 09:14 PM
lol that was horrible. WIDE open and it hits him in the hands

Mailman
08-09-2008, 09:15 PM
guys like jj and hester ARE rare my friend.
every team doesn't have one of those

You just compared JJ to Devin Hester.

Dude, I'm a homer, too, but that's just beyond the pale.

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 09:15 PM
Decent run by Walker

Mailman
08-09-2008, 09:16 PM
Hey Kubes, let's see what Slaton can do.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:17 PM
Short on 4th and 1.

OzzO
08-09-2008, 09:17 PM
bah - that was a bad spot

bollocks
08-09-2008, 09:17 PM
Jeez. We can't catch a break. That said, given the way this games has played out for us on the rushing side of things, that was a poor play call.

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 09:17 PM
I like the Wendy's commercial. I had no idea Chester has only missed 6 plays in his entire career. WOW!

Mailman
08-09-2008, 09:18 PM
Jeez. We can't catch a break. That said, given the way this games has played out for us on the rushing side of things, that was a poor play call.

Very frustrating that this team still can't run the ball.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
08-09-2008, 09:20 PM
Is #60 Bulman?

bollocks
08-09-2008, 09:20 PM
Very frustrating that this team still can't run the ball.

Quite. I'm ready to see what Slaton's got.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
08-09-2008, 09:21 PM
Alridge just ate Faggins lunch.

Brandon420tx
08-09-2008, 09:21 PM
Geez, the short outside is our weakspot

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 09:21 PM
Our tackling is atrocious. What was tha Faggins? He got faked like crazy

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:21 PM
Aldridge is quick and looks good.

awtysst
08-09-2008, 09:22 PM
Taylor looked real bad tonight. 10 rushes for 19 yards or 1.9 per attempt. Take away a 10 yard run and he is at 9 rushes for 9 yards or 1 yard per attempt.

Walker looked better but he of course played against second string. I think he will be in the first half next week.

Here is a question, why does our running game look so bad?

bollocks
08-09-2008, 09:22 PM
Missed tackles are going to be (and have been in the past) the death of this team.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:23 PM
Here is a question, why does our running game look so bad?

Still a new scheme. Give it some time.

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 09:23 PM
Taylor looked real bad tonight. 10 rushes for 19 yards or 1.9 per attempt. Take away a 10 yard run and he is at 9 rushes for 9 yards or 1 yard per attempt.

Walker looked better but he of course played against second string. I think he will be in the first half next week.

Here is a question, why does our running game look so bad?

Because of our run blocking. Ive never seen such a lack of holes

OzzO
08-09-2008, 09:24 PM
Here is a question, why does our running game look so bad?

'cause Turk and Boyd are making all the major runs.

:specnatz:

bollocks
08-09-2008, 09:24 PM
Here is a question, why does our running game look so bad?

Few holes and less than speedy RBs. We need to improve both of these areas.

OzzO
08-09-2008, 09:25 PM
i realize that it's not a big deal to you guys/gals...but this is pretty cool for me this is the FIRST TEXANS GAME i've seen in 4 years!

Now, THAT'S an offseason.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:25 PM
Faggins trying to make up for that backside contain problem.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:25 PM
Now, let's see us some Slaton.

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:26 PM
i realize that it's not a big deal to you guys/gals...but this is pretty cool for me.

this is the FIRST TEXANS GAME i've seen in 4 years!
lived in MT & MO for the past few yrs...so no fb for LYB.

glad to be with yall.
:fans:



:cool: Thanks to Steel Blue Texan posting the link to the stream, I'm able to watch the last part of the game.:smiliedance:

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:27 PM
Now, let's see us some Slaton.

What he said!

Brandon420tx
08-09-2008, 09:28 PM
Steve Slaton is not a kick return guy

OzzO
08-09-2008, 09:28 PM
Slaton had some speed in the return. If he woulda gotten a little space away from that defender - may have been a little further down the field.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:29 PM
Steve Slaton is not a kick return guy

We all know who the KR is going to be. And it ain't Slaton.

OzzO
08-09-2008, 09:30 PM
juuuuuust a little high

bollocks
08-09-2008, 09:30 PM
I'm not impressed with either Walker or Taylor this game. Slaton time!

Defensive holding call is positive, however.

alphajoker
08-09-2008, 09:31 PM
How did DB look?

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:31 PM
Nice run by Slaton!

Mailman
08-09-2008, 09:31 PM
Slaton immediately looks better than the others.

Specnatz
08-09-2008, 09:32 PM
I am curious to hear from those in the coming days who all but guaranteed Walker would not make the team. He is not a beast but he gets the job done. :thinking:

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 09:32 PM
i thought Walker did OK considering the lack of holes. Taylor looked horrible

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:32 PM
first descent move by slaton.
i think that was more about the defense being winded than HIM doing something good

Not winded. Just Backups.

OzzO
08-09-2008, 09:32 PM
hmmm... slaton may have some speed - but if he gets some hands on him....

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 09:33 PM
Walker ended up 8 carries, 30 yards. Almost 4 per carry with terrible blocking

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:33 PM
Woodyard is all over the field.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:33 PM
It's not fair that Boyd's stat line shows 1/2 for 2 yards.

BSofA04
08-09-2008, 09:34 PM
Hey guys, just got back from dinner. How'd Molden and D. Brown look today?

Mailman
08-09-2008, 09:34 PM
When did LeRon McCoy switch teams?

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:34 PM
n/m

Mailman
08-09-2008, 09:34 PM
Hey guys, just got back from dinner. How'd Molden and D. Brown look today?

I haven't seen much of Molden, but Brown has looked solid.

bollocks
08-09-2008, 09:34 PM
Well, nothing particularly great from Slaton in that drive. Still looked marginally better than Walker, however. Taylor was baaaad tonight.

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:36 PM
Hey guys, just got back from dinner. How'd Molden and D. Brown look today?

I wasn't able to watch the first half but Andre Ware on the radio said that Brown was holding his own.

BSofA04
08-09-2008, 09:36 PM
I couldn't get out of dinner with the family....although I did have my ESPN v-cast going on my cell phone.

Goldensilence
08-09-2008, 09:36 PM
Walker ended up 8 carries, 30 yards. Almost 4 per carry with terrible blocking

Have to admit looks like Walker is chipping away at that 4th spot.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:37 PM
Nice tackle there, who made that stop?

EDIT: That was Deljuan.

BSofA04
08-09-2008, 09:37 PM
Thanks Brando and Mailman. Good to hear that he held his own!

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:39 PM
What the heck was THAT? For 38 yards!

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 09:39 PM
lol another missed tackle. Hackney turns a sack into a 30+ yard play

Terrible coverage by Barber

If It wasn't for all the penalities, we'd be getting killed

OzzO
08-09-2008, 09:40 PM
How the heck did Hackney move that fast? That almost was a big as Leftwich?

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:40 PM
Barber let the Tight End get behind him on that play.

OzzO
08-09-2008, 09:42 PM
turn....your... head

Mailman
08-09-2008, 09:42 PM
Another defensive penalty.

Pass interference on Roberson. First and goal to go.

Carr Bombed
08-09-2008, 09:42 PM
I'm not impressed with either Walker or Taylor this game. Slaton time!

Defensive holding call is positive, however.


Actually I think it's pretty obvious by this time that the backs aren't the major problem (no matter who's back there). I know this is a knew system and all, but what the hell have they been doing during OTAs and in camp so far? I've never seen run blocking this bad. Nobody is getting off the ball........nobody is getting to the second level (and I'm talking about 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string).

Mailman
08-09-2008, 09:43 PM
Chalk this game up as a much-needed reality check.

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:44 PM
Okam! with a nice tackle for loss.

Mailman
08-09-2008, 09:45 PM
Indy and Carolina went to overtime.

For a preseason game.

bollocks
08-09-2008, 09:45 PM
Actually I think it's pretty obvious by this time that the backs aren't the major problem (no matter who's back there). I know this is a knew system and all, but what the hell have they been doing during OTAs and in camp so far? I've never seen run blocking this bad. Nobody is getting off the ball........nobody is getting to the second level (and I'm talking about 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string).

That's quite true. It's hard to make much happen when the offensive line plays that pathetically.

awtysst
08-09-2008, 09:46 PM
I hope Mr. Gibbs kicks some butt this week. The Running game has been pathetic.

bollocks
08-09-2008, 09:46 PM
Good play by Adibi.

OzzO
08-09-2008, 09:47 PM
bend don't break.... but can we sometimes just NOT bend also?

Brandon420tx
08-09-2008, 09:47 PM
I'm really liking Okams play

Specnatz
08-09-2008, 09:48 PM
Bring on Brink .. :thisbig:

OzzO
08-09-2008, 09:48 PM
Alright - let's just see a nice methodical drive down the field and put this one out, shall we?

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:48 PM
bend don't break.... but can we sometimes just NOT bend also?

No kidding....

Goldensilence
08-09-2008, 09:48 PM
:/ Know this is preseason but sounds like typical bend and not break Texans D from Smith.

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 09:49 PM
Im pretty sure that we aren't running a true ZBS. There has been zero cut blocks so far.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:50 PM
Well, I like to see that from Slaton.

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:51 PM
Im pretty sure that we aren't running a true ZBS. There has been zero cut blocks so far.


Good point I had forgot about that...I feel better. Nice run back for Slaton.

Mailman
08-09-2008, 09:51 PM
Bring on Brink .. :thisbig:

Kubiak said he's not playing tonight.

Specnatz
08-09-2008, 09:51 PM
Im pretty sure that we aren't running a true ZBS. There has been zero cut blocks so far.

By either team, gentilemans agreement between coaches.

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:51 PM
I'll think next game will be Brinks in the 2nd half.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:52 PM
Crap, we can't lose Butler.

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:52 PM
Oh no Butler is down.

BSofA04
08-09-2008, 09:52 PM
Crap...Butler's down. Tucker's going to see some action.

Mailman
08-09-2008, 09:52 PM
Crap, we can't lose Butler.

What?

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:53 PM
Cool, Butler walked off on his own power.

bollocks
08-09-2008, 09:53 PM
Hmm. Looks like we aren't going to see Brink today, I was actually hoping too.

Goldensilence
08-09-2008, 09:53 PM
PLEASE PLEASE say its a cramp to Butler.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:53 PM
What?

He walked off so I think he's going to be OK.

Looks like he's back out there.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:54 PM
Sack on Boyd. They brought the house, looked like.

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 09:54 PM
Jeez Boyd, what was that? A 12 step drop?

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:55 PM
Great. Defensive holding.

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:55 PM
Defensive Holding 1st down instead of 3rd and 15.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:55 PM
I say Boyd for our starting RB.

OzzO
08-09-2008, 09:55 PM
preseason for the cameraman - Boyd faked him out too.

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:56 PM
Boyd faked the camera man. Nice bootleg!

gtexan02
08-09-2008, 09:56 PM
I saw a cut on that play lol

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 09:56 PM
Sweet pass to McCoy for the first down.

OzzO
08-09-2008, 09:56 PM
I say Boyd for our starting RB.

He's the top rusher in this game, sounds like a plan.

bollocks
08-09-2008, 09:56 PM
Say, Boyd has a lot of potential. He looks great, granted it's all against back-ups...but none-the-less.

Mailman
08-09-2008, 09:56 PM
preseason for the cameraman - Boyd faked him out too.

that's about the sixth time the cameraman's been juked.

Dcolbyt
08-09-2008, 09:57 PM
Boyd could maybe play wr?

OzzO
08-09-2008, 09:57 PM
Kinda like Slaton... but dang he needs to keep them legs churning and not just drop.

Brando
08-09-2008, 09:58 PM
Nice cutback for Slaton! That's what we want to see!

Mailman
08-09-2008, 09:58 PM
I know he's running against practice squad guys, but Slaton is the best running back of the bunch. He reminds me of DD.

OzzO
08-09-2008, 09:59 PM
Agree - but maybe another juke v. turning and dropping - perhaps a few more yards?

bollocks
08-09-2008, 09:59 PM
The good thing about Slaton is that he is quick enough to work with bad to very bad run blocking. Something that we should be very interested in.

Mailman
08-09-2008, 10:00 PM
The good thing about Slaton is that he is quick enough to work with bad to very bad run blocking. Something that we should be very interested in.

Exactly. He's the only guy we have with the speed to get around the corner.

Goldensilence
08-09-2008, 10:03 PM
I have liked what I have heard from Slaton and Walker. These two guys could push our Running game.

bollocks
08-09-2008, 10:12 PM
Kris Brown for the win! Cheers ladies and gentlemen!

OzzO
08-09-2008, 10:12 PM
Eh - overall (from what I read and saw) - no we're not gonna go the 16-0 as originally thought, but not too shabby.

- find the zone blocking
- find the running game

Would be some good starts. But it was the 1st preseason, let's keep that in mind as well.

Dcolbyt
08-09-2008, 10:12 PM
Dallas looks sloppy

Goldensilence
08-09-2008, 10:16 PM
Dallas looks sloppy

Screw Dallas.

Know it's preseason but nice to scrap a win out.

Carr Bombed
08-09-2008, 10:17 PM
Okay on that last running play (around the goal line) I think it's now pretty damn clear that Jameel Cook is not a NFL caliber FB.....he got straight owned on that play and looked like a screen door as the defender just ran straight through him and leveled Slaton for a loss. I'm sure Slaton was wishing he had Owen Schmitt right about then

This team seriously needs to carry 4 rbs and only 1 FB. A roster spot saved for Cook is a absolute waste of space. Not to mention he almost got called for a foul for spiking the ball.

Houston didn't win this game.....there were no winners in this game. (Denver did everything possible to lose this game and Houston should be lucky they didn't get blown out) The only positives in this game were....

1. the plays made by the receivers
2. our depth at QB
3. the great play of Duane Brown.....he more than held his own against Dumervil
4. no penalties or real significant injuries

other than that, Houston sucked at everything else.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 10:21 PM
Okay on that last running play (around the goal line) I think it's now pretty damn clear that Jameel Cook is not a NFL caliber FB.....he got straight owned on that play and looked like a screen door as the defender just ran straight through him and leveled Slaton for a loss. I'm sure Slaton was wishing he had Owen Schmitt right about then

This team seriously needs to carry 4 rbs and only 1 FB. A roster spot saved for Cook is a absolute waist of space. Not to mention he almost got called for a foul for spiking the ball.

That spike was almost abysmally stupid. He just got saved because he had gone out of bounds.

beerlover
08-09-2008, 10:23 PM
anyone think Ahman Green doesn't make the 53 man roster?

Topher
08-09-2008, 10:23 PM
Damn it was Hot today. Sooooo Sleepy. Nite Texans Talk!:yawn:

MEGA SWATT
08-09-2008, 10:26 PM
ha, broncos lose


I guess that means the Texans won:fans: :whip:

Carr Bombed
08-09-2008, 10:26 PM
anyone think Ahman Green doesn't make the 53 man roster?

He's still just as likely to make the team right now as he was before the game.........not one runningback stepped up in his absence to challenge him. Maybe if somebody steps up as the preseason goes on......maybe, but until that happens, Ahhh!!man Green will be on the team.

Goldensilence
08-09-2008, 10:35 PM
He's still just as likely to make the team right now as he was before the game.........not one runningback stepped up in his absence to challenge him. Maybe if somebody steps up as the preseason goes on......maybe, but until that happens, Ahhh!!man Green will be on the team.

Gotta be able to take more than one snap to make a team. His contract isn't too bad to eat this year. If he doesn't honestly I don't feel this team is as bad off this year as last if he can't go.

Taylor didn't impress but Slaton looked good(I know late in the game) but Walker to me at least, continues to chip away at a spot on the depth chart.

TexansFanatic
08-09-2008, 10:41 PM
anyone think Ahman Green doesn't make the 53 man roster?

As soon as I saw him hobbling off the field, I thought: "See ya later, Ahman!"

Carr Bombed
08-09-2008, 10:45 PM
Gotta be able to take more than one snap to make a team. His contract isn't too bad to eat this year. If he doesn't honestly I don't feel this team is as bad off this year as last if he can't go.

Taylor didn't impress but Slaton looked good(I know late in the game) but Walker to me at least, continues to chip away at a spot on the depth chart.

This team isn't strapped for cash right now and Ahman is the only vet. (Chris Brown isn't exactly the iron man either). Trust me, I think Houston needs to find another answer too, but the rookie Slaton, Walker, and Taylor don't look like they're ready to handle a full load or blocking assignments yet (especially after Taylor just hung Sage out to dry). Like I said before, until one of the young guys elevates their game and proves they are a every down/all around back, Ahman is pretty much a lock to make the team.

Hervoyel
08-09-2008, 10:53 PM
I think it's time to start digging hard for running back talent. Green isn't going to make it through 6 games this year and unless the Chris Brown signing pays off really huge (big reach there) we've got very little behind Green. Taylor showed nothing tonight and Walker looked only slightly better. Slaton I got very little feel for other than that he looked like a rookie RB who has a lot to learn about carrying the rock at this level. We finished the night with 140 yards rushing (or thereabouts) but if you take out Turk's run and the big scrambles from Boyd we had under a hundred yards on the ground.

At this stage I would normally consider the offensive line as being heavily involved in this non-performance but I've heard more than one of them talk about how little is changing and how much simpler this is than what they did the last two years. This doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in me. If we can't run the ball then we're going to be on the receiving end of several beat downs this year. Two of them will be at the hands of the Titans. They ran all over Cleveland today. Denver ran for 123 yards but averaged 4.7 a carry. If we can't stop the run against a very average bunch of Denver backs Chris Johnson is going to tear a bunch of holes through us when we play the Tacks.

awtysst
08-09-2008, 11:03 PM
Does anyone have any idea why the D looked so good on the first series and then flat the rest of the game?

beerlover
08-09-2008, 11:07 PM
This team isn't strapped for cash right now and Ahman is the only vet. (Chris Brown isn't exactly the iron man either). Trust me, I think Houston needs to find another answer too, but the rookie Slaton, Walker, and Taylor don't look like they're ready to handle a full load or blocking assignments yet (especially after Taylor just hung Sage out to dry). Like I said before, until one of the young guys elevates their game and proves they are a every down/all around back, Ahman is pretty much a lock to make the team.

I can tell your not going to budge off your viewpoint & thats fine but somewhere, sometime Kubiack is going to get tired of being "dissapointed". I would release him & move on use that cap space to pick up another back afterall they're going to be a lot of roster cuts in the next couple of weeks surely Rick Smith can find a diamond in the rough :smiliedance:

Carr Bombed
08-09-2008, 11:14 PM
I can tell your not going to budge off your viewpoint & thats fine but somewhere, sometime Kubiack is going to get tired of being "dissapointed". I would release him & move on use that cap space to pick up another back afterall they're going to be a lot of roster cuts in the next couple of weeks surely Rick Smith can find a diamond in the rough :smiliedance:

Don't get me wrong.......I don't want Ahman either, but the questioned was asked, "do you see him making the team"?

Well, until we find another replacement- i.e. young guy's stepping up...(or your suggestion..that we pick up somebody decent who gets cut, but I doubt they'll be anybody out there that already knows the system or is anything better than we have right now) than I see Ahman making the team......as much as it sucks, I see Ahman making the team and all I can do is pray for health.

Goldensilence
08-09-2008, 11:15 PM
This team isn't strapped for cash right now and Ahman is the only vet. (Chris Brown isn't exactly the iron man either). Trust me, I think Houston needs to find another answer too, but the rookie Slaton, Walker, and Taylor don't look like they're ready to handle a full load or blocking assignments yet (especially after Taylor just hung Sage out to dry). Like I said before, until one of the young guys elevates their game and proves they are a every down/all around back, Ahman is pretty much a lock to make the team.

I'm not as concerned about the salary cap as I am what does it matter if the guy can't go ONE PLAY without injury. I'd rather call on Ron Dayne then see a season wasted on hoping Green makes it.

Don't get me wrong but Ron Dayne playing> Ahman on the bench doing nothing.

Carr Bombed
08-09-2008, 11:21 PM
I'm not as concerned about the salary cap as I am what does it matter if the guy can't go ONE PLAY without injury. I'd rather call on Ron Dayne then see a season wasted on hoping Green makes it.

Don't get me wrong but Ron Dayne playing> Ahman on the bench doing nothing.

At this point I'd like Ron Dayne too........(that falls under the catagory as another player who can do the things that the other young backs can't right now..."pass protection") Y'all act like I am a Ahman fan or something.......I'm just stating my opinion and right now until we A.) acquire somebody that won't be a absolute liability in pass protection or B.) the guys we have on the roster prove they won't be a liability, I think he will make the team.

Sage saw that corner blitz before Taylor did (sarcasm...but not really) and that's scary. As of right now 6 games of Ahman = 6 less games I have to watch my QBs head being taken off.......hell I'm all for Dayne being brought back at this point and that just shows you how much I don't want to be without a back that can pick up the blitz.......I'm willing to take on Ron freaking Dayne.

I'm starting to think Kubiak's plan was just to pray that Ahman could stay healthy for 8 games and Chris Brown for another 8 games, so far it's blowing up in his face.

jaybird
08-09-2008, 11:24 PM
I don't particularly like any of our RBs... Green can't stay healthy... and so for neither can Brown... I did like what I say out of Slaton... sure hope we keep him on the team.

Far game tonight IMO... exactly what I'd expect a pre-season game to be. Shaub looked good even with having AJ out. Sage looked like a back-up. And that #7 (can't remember his name) has some nifty moves but isn't the best thrower. Will be interesting to see if he makes the team. Defense looked ok in the first half. Williams looked really really good!

beerlover
08-09-2008, 11:26 PM
Don't get me wrong.......I don't want Ahman either, but the questioned was asked, "do you see him making the team"?

Well, until we find another replacement- i.e. young guy's stepping up...(or your suggestion..that we pick up somebody decent who gets cut, but I doubt they'll be anybody out there that already knows the system or is anything better than we have right now) than I see Ahman making the team......as much as it sucks, I see Ahman making the team and all I can do is pray for health.

Carr (bombed) is the greatest example of someone who should have been cut long before his contract was extended or the 06 season. Kubiak is loyal & I'll understand if history repeats itself, yet I'm hopefull he also learns from his mistakes :foottap:

Carr Bombed
08-09-2008, 11:31 PM
Carr (bombed) is the greatest example of someone who should have been cut long before his contract was extended or the 06 season. Kubiak is loyal & I'll understand if history repeats itself, yet I'm hopefull he also learns from his mistakes :foottap:

Carr getting extended had more to do with Mr. McNair and not Kubiak......it was pretty much what the incoming coach had to sign on for. That was not Kubiak's mistake, Mr. McNair was the one that was too damn loyal, and the one that had to learn from that mistake. Kubiak was just willing to do anything and say anything to finally get a long overdue break in this league.

If Kubiak keeps Ahman on this team it won't have anything to do with loyalty, but everything to do with the fact that he just doesn't trust the other guys to be able to pick up your basic corner blitz. I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the young guys let go, just to bring in another vet that knows what the hell he's doing, WHILE STILL KEEPING AHMAN.

GP
08-09-2008, 11:34 PM
Nobody wants to see GP give the "Running Back Speech" again.

Slaton looked the best, but he was playing (a) a pre-season game, and (b) against defensive players of his own caliber. So I'm not sure I'm ready to call Slaton a "promising prospect" just yet.

Folks, next year has GOT to be the year that Kubiak grabs a quality RB, whether it's a trade, free agent, or draft pick.

Duane Brown looks to have been a good pick, especially with Salaam being gimpy and out for awhile. We're just going to have to suck it up and wait for the day when we get a quality rusher.

Denver poo-poo'd this game away, IMO. I would be angry if I were a Broncos fan. We should have been blown out.

But on the upside, Champ Bailey got to go back into a Houston locker room (again) and feel that his team "...should have won that game..." LOL.

GP
08-09-2008, 11:37 PM
I don't particularly like any of our RBs... Green can't stay healthy... and so for neither can Brown... I did like what I say out of Slaton... sure hope we keep him on the team.

Far game tonight IMO... exactly what I'd expect a pre-season game to be. Shaub looked good even with having AJ out. Sage looked like a back-up. And that #7 (can't remember his name) has some nifty moves but isn't the best thrower. Will be interesting to see if he makes the team. Defense looked ok in the first half. Williams looked really really good!

Shane Boyd.

I thought Shane did a good job. I gotta' re-watch it on NFLN Sunday night to see it. Just saw a couple of plays tonight.

thunderkyss
08-09-2008, 11:51 PM
At this point I'd like Ron Dayne too........(that falls under the catagory as another player who can do the things that the other young backs can't right now..."pass protection") Y'all act like I am a Ahman fan or something.......I'm just stating my opinion and right now until we A.) acquire somebody that won't be a absolute liability in pass protection or B.) the guys we have on the roster prove they won't be a liability, I think he will make the team.


How bad could Mike Bell have been??

Whip his ass into shape, and get him ready by Sept....


I hope they kept his number.



But once Green says he is hurt, they can't cut him.

GP
08-10-2008, 12:00 AM
How bad could Mike Bell have been??

Whip his ass into shape, and get him ready by Sept....


I hope they kept his number.



But once Green says he is hurt, they can't cut him.

Yeah, that's "injury settlement" IMO. I think. Of course, if it's just a pulled groin (something that's requires "resting," and is NOT a career-ending or season-ending injury, i.e. a really BAD injury, then wouldn't it be OK to cut him?) Need someone like KaiserToro to fill us in on the guidelines of the injury settlement route--What can be done and what can't be done.

Shoulda' cut him before camp, IMO. If he was cleared to play, meaning he was not held out for injury reasons, then we shoulda' cut him. Because if he can't be cut, now, due to the ONE TOUCH he had tonight...then, this is one notch below Boselli in my book.

Slaton and Walker. With Taylor right behind them.

I don't even care to see Chris Brown, because I know how he'll turn out, as well: Hurt.

So it's sorta' mind bottling how Mike Bell gets ripped for getting gassed, yet Chris Brown can soak in a tub for how many days? Horse hockey.

Thumper
08-10-2008, 12:23 AM
I had to work and missed most of this game. I caught the last three minutes and saw Joe Texan and I think Bull Pen 1 on T.V. Very cool. My husband called the last play where Boyd tried to run it in for a TD and didn't make it. (How do you do that HT?)

Then my personal pick for MVP kicked in the last three points!

And we won our first game! pre-season or not, a game is a game!

Go TEXANS! :texflag:

Dan B.
08-10-2008, 12:25 AM
I'm not freaking out over Ahman Green... YET. From what I'm hearing, he isn't seriously injured and should be OK very soon. I better see something from him against the Saints though. I also was pretty unhappy with the rest of the Texans' RB's tonight, so I don't think he lost much ground. No one else really stepped up[ and made their case.

Taylor was bad. The sack of Sage is 100% on Taylor, IMO. He missed the CB and instead backed up Dressen. From what I've seen of Kubiak, there are two things that get you moved to the bottom of the depth chart almost immediately. Turnovers and a failure to block. I also wasn't impressed with Slaton in that regard, though I saw more upside from him.

Our WR's were really good. Nothing against Jacoby, but he had better grow up fast before he hits 5th on the depth chart, because David Anderson and Tim Carter were both far more impressive to me. That botched punt return was a terrible decision, and one he's made before.

On the topic of not learning from your mistakes, Matt Schaub is still trying to force it in the Red Zone. No need to throw into triple coverage, IMO. He's fortunate the Broncs didn't intercept that pass.

Duane Brown did very well, I think, although outside of Dumervil Denver doesn't have a good pass rush at all. It'll be interesting to see him against Dallas.

Hardcore Texan
08-10-2008, 12:26 AM
Here's my thoughts on the game tonight:

- Darius Walker looked like our best RB out there tonight.
- Green is just not going to be dependable, hope I am wrong.
- Taylor looked so-so at best.
- Slaton looked so-so.
- The ZBS needs more work for sure, looked pretty sloppy.
- The other starters on offense played decent.
- Andre Davis is picking up where he left off last year
- Anderson is going to make the squad.
- Mario looked like he is getting ready to have a great season.
- Demeco look like Demeco, which is great.
- Diles made some nice plays
- Jacoby is a great athelete but needs to get some consistency.
- Brown held his own.
- The safety play was unimpressive except for maybe Demps.
- We still can't stop the run.
- Cochran is playing pretty freaking hard there and looks hungry.
- We still can't punch it in from the redzone

Hardcore Texan
08-10-2008, 12:35 AM
I had to work and missed most of this game. I caught the last three minutes and saw Joe Texan and I think Bull Pen 1 on T.V. Very cool. My husband called the last play where Boyd tried to run it in for a TD and didn't make it. (How do you do that HT?)
Then my personal pick for MVP kicked in the last three points!

And we won our first game! pre-season or not, a game is a game!

Go TEXANS! :texflag:


I could see it a mile away, the naked bootleg in the RZ is getting obvious.

GP
08-10-2008, 12:40 AM
Nobody wants to play "what if" but I will, for a second

Here's a video clip that I hope does not become a regular, re-occurring theme:

A RB we could have taken had we not traded down...speed kills (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d809e4d39)

Of course, CJ had a nice crease in the line...AND, from watching the thread of the Texans game tonight, it seems our RBs didn't have many seams like CJ had in this particular clip.

Regardless, I just wanted to be a terd for a second.

BSofA04
08-10-2008, 12:44 AM
Nobody wants to play "what if" but I will, for a second

Here's a video clip that I hope does not become a regular, re-occurring theme:

A RB we could have taken had we not traded down...speed kills (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d809e4d39)

Of course, CJ had a nice crease in the line...AND, from watching the thread of the Texans game tonight, it seems our RBs didn't have many seams like CJ had in this particular clip.

Regardless, I just wanted to be a terd for a second.

OH no you didn't.

b0ng
08-10-2008, 12:45 AM
I'm not too terribly worried about Green, but I don't think we'll see a whole lot more of him this preaseason (Maybe against Dallas).

Slaton looked pretty decent, and Taylor did have some nice runs. I think the O-line is obviously going to take some more work, but overall it wasn't as nearly a sloppy game as I expected.

Mario looked stoked to be back on the field. I think he's going to hound a lot of QB's this year.

GP
08-10-2008, 12:45 AM
OH no you didn't.

LOL...

Oh yes, I did.

I gotta' be a stinky for an incey-wincey wittle bit.

Carr Bombed
08-10-2008, 12:50 AM
Here's my thoughts on the game tonight:

- Darius Walker looked like our best RB out there tonight.
- Green is just not going to be dependable, hope I am wrong.
- Taylor looked so-so at best.
- Slaton looked so-so.
- The ZBS needs more work for sure, looked pretty sloppy.
- The other starters on offense played decent.
- Andre Davis is picking up where he left off last year
- Anderson is going to make the squad.
- Mario looked like he is getting ready to have a great season.
- Demeco look like Demeco, which is great.
- Diles made some nice plays
- Jacoby is a great athelete but needs to get some consistency.....AND MATURITY
- Brown held his own.
- The safety play was unimpressive except for maybe Demps.
- We still can't stop the run.
- Cochran is playing pretty freaking hard there and looks hungry.
- We still can't punch it in from the redzone

Liked all your points........just wanted to add that one thing in there...

awtysst
08-10-2008, 12:52 AM
Nobody wants to play "what if" but I will, for a second

Here's a video clip that I hope does not become a regular, re-occurring theme:

A RB we could have taken had we not traded down...speed kills (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d809e4d39)

Of course, CJ had a nice crease in the line...AND, from watching the thread of the Texans game tonight, it seems our RBs didn't have many seams like CJ had in this particular clip.

Regardless, I just wanted to be a terd for a second.


Yeah, he made a good run, but I was pretty happy with Duane Brown. I thought he looked pretty good handling the rush. If this is his first test against the pros, I thought he handled himself quite well. Ryan Clady the Bronco rook LT got manhandled by Mario on the first couple of series, so I am satisfied with Brown so far. I can't wait to see what he will look like opening day.

GP
08-10-2008, 12:53 AM
Man, you guys get off JJ's back already.

He's a playmaker. And sometimes stuff happens.

I'd keep a roster spot for him any day. And I bet Kubiak or some other coach will sit down with him (soon) and help him settle down.

I just think he gets really amped up sometimes, and maybe he does need to know his limits and when to hold 'em/fold 'em. He's not Mathis.

TheRealJoker
08-10-2008, 12:56 AM
LOL, a Bronco fan on another forum tried to spin Clady as having a solid performance by saying, "He got beaten by Mario on a couple running plays but he dominated him and Colvin on passing downs."

Did anyone see Clady "dominate" Mario at any point in that game?

awtysst
08-10-2008, 12:58 AM
LOL, a Bronco fan on another forum tried to spin Clady as having a solid performance by saying, "He got beaten by Mario on a couple running plays but he dominated him and Colvin on passing downs."

Did anyone see Clady "dominate" Mario at any point in that game?

Clady was clearly manhandled by Mario. Duane's Brown name was only mentioned(on the Denver Broadcast) once. That was at the begining of the game, they mentioned that rookie Duane Brown the Texans 1st round pick is starting at LT. Thats it. Thats a good thing in my mind.

Dan B.
08-10-2008, 12:59 AM
Man, you guys get off JJ's back already.

He's a playmaker. And sometimes stuff happens.

I'd keep a roster spot for him any day. And I bet Kubiak or some other coach will sit down with him (soon) and help him settle down.

I just think he gets really amped up sometimes, and maybe he does need to know his limits and when to hold 'em/fold 'em. He's not Mathis.

I agree that he's not Mathis yet, but Anderson clearly outperformed him, which would move him to 5th on the depth chart. This would still have him on the roster -- I don't think he'll be cut outright. And I'd rather have him than Mathis at 5, because he can at least give you a decent performance if a WR has to leave a game, but he's not progressing as well as I'd like. He's still making bad decisions. As much upside as he has (and I agree he has speed, size, all the physical skills a NFL wideout needs), he needs to keep his head in the game and not repeat the same mistakes. A good punt returner doesn't try to force a run when there isn't anything there. That's how he got hurt, that's how he tends to lose the ball, and that will lose him a starting role if he isn't careful.

Jones is not the only one I think this about, BTW. I think Schaub has a bad tendency to force a play when we are in the Red Zone for the first time. He did it all last year, and he did so in his only series tonight.

GP
08-10-2008, 01:04 AM
I agree that he's not Mathis yet, but Anderson clearly outperformed him, which would move him to 5th on the depth chart. This would still have him on the roster -- I don't think he'll be cut outright. And I'd rather have him than Mathis at 5, because he can at least give you a decent performance if a WR has to leave a game, but he's not progressing as well as I'd like. He's still making bad decisions. As much upside as he has (and I agree he has speed, size, all the physical skills a NFL wideout needs), he needs to keep his head in the game and not repeat the same mistakes. A good punt returner doesn't try to force a run when there isn't anything there. That's how he got hurt, that's how he tends to lose the ball, and that will lose him a starting role if he isn't careful.

Jones is not the only one I think this about, BTW. I think Schaub has a bad tendency to force a play when we are in the Red Zone for the first time. He did it all last year, and he did so in his only series tonight.

Yep. I was hoping you'd mention that: JJ shouldn't get a lot of heat since our QBs (Schaub AND Sage) seem to have a bent toward trying to do too much, as well. Heck, Owen Daniels had a few awkward moments last year, too.

I just think JJ might be a go-to option at some point, especially if Andre Davis (primarily) or some other WR gets hurt. No sense in any of us getting trigger happy about cutting JJ loose. At least not IMO.

kravix
08-10-2008, 01:26 AM
So Green and AJ have basically the same injury, but Green should be striped down and run out of town?

All you calling for Greens head.. Have you even watched videos of practices, or pictures maybe? He gets more contact in practice than he got on that play. I can hurt myself more than that just by rolling out of bed wrong somedays.

I was frustrated to, but I still aint wiping my butt with every roster his name is printed on. His one run was just about as good as any of the other 3 RB's had all night.

I wouldnt expect to see him against the Saints and action with Dallas is kinda unlikely to, just the same as AJ.

The Pencil Neck
08-10-2008, 02:15 AM
I don't particularly like any of our RBs... Green can't stay healthy... and so for neither can Brown... I did like what I say out of Slaton... sure hope we keep him on the team.

Far game tonight IMO... exactly what I'd expect a pre-season game to be. Shaub looked good even with having AJ out. Sage looked like a back-up. And that #7 (can't remember his name) has some nifty moves but isn't the best thrower. Will be interesting to see if he makes the team. Defense looked ok in the first half. Williams looked really really good!

Personally, I was very impressed with Boyd. The only incomplete pass he threw was a beauty to Carter (?) that Carter just dropped.

If Boyd continues to play like he played tonight, I wouldn't be surprised if Sage doesn't get shopped around to teams that need a starter. I don't expect it to happen (I think it's a risky move) but I wouldn't be surprised either. Especially if we could get a good RB out of the deal.

beerlover
08-10-2008, 03:46 AM
Personally, I was very impressed with Boyd. The only incomplete pass he threw was a beauty to Carter (?) that Carter just dropped.

If Boyd continues to play like he played tonight, I wouldn't be surprised if Sage doesn't get shopped around to teams that need a starter. I don't expect it to happen (I think it's a risky move) but I wouldn't be surprised either. Especially if we could get a good RB out of the deal.

Sage is staying put, Schaubs injury history combined with a razor thin offensive line. Next offseason maybe? gives Rick Smith time to add more depth on the line & in the backfield to support the QB position.

Brandon420tx
08-10-2008, 10:20 AM
I'm not freaking out over Ahman Green... YET. From what I'm hearing, he isn't seriously injured and should be OK very soon. I better see something from him against the Saints though. I also was pretty unhappy with the rest of the Texans' RB's tonight, so I don't think he lost much ground. No one else really stepped up[ and made their case.

1Taylor was bad. The sack of Sage is 100% on Taylor, IMO. He missed the CB and instead backed up Dressen. From what I've seen of Kubiak, there are two things that get you moved to the bottom of the depth chart almost immediately. Turnovers and a failure to block. I also wasn't impressed with Slaton in that regard, though I saw more upside from him.

2Our WR's were really good. Nothing against Jacoby, but he had better grow up fast before he hits 5th on the depth chart, because David Anderson and Tim Carter were both far more impressive to me. That botched punt return was a terrible decision, and one he's made before.

On the topic of not learning from your mistakes, Matt Schaub is still trying to force it in the Red Zone. No need to throw into triple coverage, IMO. He's fortunate the Broncs didn't intercept that pass.

Duane Brown did very well, I think, although outside of Dumervil Denver doesn't have a good pass rush at all. It'll be interesting to see him against Dallas.

1. That sack was 100% NOT Taylors fault. I am not a Taylor homer, I don't care if he makes the team, I still hope he plays well this season. But blaming that sack on him is pointless. His blitz pickup priorities are up front first, the only way he's going to know about a blitz coming in from the outside is if the QB reads it and lets him know.
On that play, I saw one of the CBs creep up closer to the line but he was picked up by brown quite nicely, I didn't even see the other one and was shocked when I saw the guy tear through the screen into Sage. From where Taylor was positioned (about a yard in front and half a yard to the side of Sage) there was no way he could have picked up that blitz without some ESP(n) telling him its coming.

2. You have great depth when we're all amazed by our 5th string WR

CloakNNNdagger
08-10-2008, 10:26 AM
I think they're not really giving what they're advertising.

I joined this but I only see the Cowboy/Charger game on here for tonight. I'm considering stopping my order.

Sorry about your experience. Is there any customer service number you can call to see if this is a glitch or the norm. Last year I had a friend who subscribed to one of the services I listed in my other post, and he was very satisfied. Let me know what you found out.

The Pencil Neck
08-10-2008, 11:57 AM
Sorry about your experience. Is there any customer service number you can call to see if this is a glitch or the norm. Last year I had a friend who subscribed to one of the services I listed in my other post, and he was very satisfied. Let me know what you found out.

Their support is Monday through Friday and I'm going to contact them tomorrow and discuss stopping my order or whether I was just misusing the system. I just couldn't find the Texans' game anywhere.

I did think it was odd that as soon as I ordered it, I got a call from Citibank's fraud protection. Also, after installing their system, I ran Trend Micro's Housecall and it found a grayware infection. I'm not sure that came from their software, but it might have.

I was really looking for a way to see the opener from overseas. I'm going to be in Italy opening weekend and I don't want to miss it. Otherwise, I'm just going to be watching the game thread and nfl.com.

:fans:

thunderkyss
08-10-2008, 12:13 PM
Nobody wants to play "what if" but I will, for a second

Here's a video clip that I hope does not become a regular, re-occurring theme:

A RB we could have taken had we not traded down...speed kills (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d809e4d39)

Of course, CJ had a nice crease in the line...AND, from watching the thread of the Texans game tonight, it seems our RBs didn't have many seams like CJ had in this particular clip.

Regardless, I just wanted to be a terd for a second.

Did you see what his OL did for him?? The first guy to touch him was at the LOS, but it was a DB.. He broke that high shoulder tackle easy. Then the tight end got up to block the backside LB, and it was over. I have no reason to believe Chris Taylor, Darius Walker, or Steve Slaton couldn't have done the same thing..

To be fair, I have no reason to believe any of them could have either.

But... With Salaam going in for surgery, you got to be thinking we did the right thing, and getting a LT.


Dontcha??

thunderkyss
08-10-2008, 12:20 PM
So Green and AJ have basically the same injury, but Green should be striped down and run out of town?

All you calling for Greens head.. Have you even watched videos of practices, or pictures maybe? He gets more contact in practice than he got on that play. I can hurt myself more than that just by rolling out of bed wrong somedays.

I was frustrated to, but I still aint wiping my butt with every roster his name is printed on. His one run was just about as good as any of the other 3 RB's had all night.

I wouldnt expect to see him against the Saints and action with Dallas is kinda unlikely to, just the same as AJ.

Tell you what.... let's add all the yards, and all the touchdowns Andre has got for us, and all the yards, and all the touchdowns Green has got for us... add them all up, put them on a board side by side, then using those numbers alone, let's try to decide who should get a pass, and who shouldn't.

Don't get me wrong, I was behind the Ahman Green acquisition when we made it. I was (and still to a certain extent) willing to be patient enough to let him get healthy, and try again.

& I admit, I was a little hasty, not understanding the full extent of his injury.....

but damn.

dalemurphy
08-10-2008, 01:26 PM
1. That sack was 100% NOT Taylors fault. I am not a Taylor homer, I don't care if he makes the team, I still hope he plays well this season. But blaming that sack on him is pointless. His blitz pickup priorities are up front first, the only way he's going to know about a blitz coming in from the outside is if the QB reads it and lets him know.
On that play, I saw one of the CBs creep up closer to the line but he was picked up by brown quite nicely, I didn't even see the other one and was shocked when I saw the guy tear through the screen into Sage. From where Taylor was positioned (about a yard in front and half a yard to the side of Sage) there was no way he could have picked up that blitz without some ESP(n) telling him its coming.


Well, I am a bit of a Taylor homer. And, it was definitely his fault. At least, that's the impression I got when Kubiak said so in his press conference and when Chic, Kubiak, and Gibbs all started yelling at him on the sidelines after the play.

OzzO
08-10-2008, 03:20 PM
Not sure if y'all saw the after game quotes (http://houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4487) over at ht.com. some noteables:

Gary Kubiak
(on the status of RB Ahman Green) “All I know is that it is a pulled groin. To what extent, I don’t think we will know until tomorrow morning. It was a slight pull. Nothing popped or anything.”

(on thoughts of playing WR David Anderson and his future) “I think he has a chance to be special. ...and if he continues at the pace he is going he’s going to play a lot for this football team. Very, very impressive young man.”

(on RB Steve Slaton) “He looked really good early. His first five touches, he looked faster then everybody else on the field, and that’s what we thought we got (in the draft). He can’t bounce the ball too much in this league or you’re going to lose some ground, especially there at the end of the game. I think it was a good start for him. He’s got more speed than anyone else.”

Duane Brown
(on what surprised him about the game) “Just the tempo, really. You can practice against it, but there’s really no comparison to an actual game. Everybody’s flying around. Linebackers are really closing the gaps and they’ve just go to go, but I picked it up and I felt pretty good out there.”

(on being able to prepare by practicing against DE Mario Williams) “Oh, it helped tremendously. Like I said, you don’t find too many guys with that size and speed. So I was pretty ready for the speed of the defensive ends, but they didn’t have his strength, so it was a bit easier.”

DeMeco Ryans

(on using the headset in his helmet) “It worked out good. Starting out, it was good, but when it got going on us, driving the ball on some series, we got a couple calls that were delayed. Then the system shut off, so we had to go back to the hand signals.”

(on how big of an adjustment it was to use the headset) “Not a big adjustment at all. I didn’t even have to make an adjustment. It’s just easier for me. I don’t have to look over there and get any signals; I can just stand there and listen to the calls. But we always are going to take our signals in every game, because you never know when it will go out on us.”

Brando
08-10-2008, 04:53 PM
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The Pencil Neck
08-10-2008, 05:54 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/uploads/photo/thumbs/7925.jpg

Just a THRILLAH!

GP
08-10-2008, 07:03 PM
Did you see what his OL did for him?? The first guy to touch him was at the LOS, but it was a DB.. He broke that high shoulder tackle easy. Then the tight end got up to block the backside LB, and it was over. I have no reason to believe Chris Taylor, Darius Walker, or Steve Slaton couldn't have done the same thing..

To be fair, I have no reason to believe any of them could have either.

But... With Salaam going in for surgery, you got to be thinking we did the right thing, and getting a LT.


Dontcha??

Yep. That's why I prefaced my post by saying "I want to be a terd for a second..."

If we went RB in the first round this year, we'd have picked OL in the third, and then probably OL in the first of next year's draft. "Yes," I think it was the right choice to go OL this year in the first.

And I also said that CJ got a heckuva' seam to run through, when in contrast we didn't see that sort of daylight for our guys during the game last night.

Just wanted to be a little toot, for just a second. No harm, no foul.

Just wanted to yank a few chains. :specnatz: