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TheTim5125
12-19-2004, 09:07 PM
Ok probably not but we are mathmatically still in it... The way I see it if Denver, Buffalo, and the Jags, and Baltimore lose out, and we win out we would some how have the Tie breaker for that group... can some one shed some light on this. We are still in the hunt....

utahmark
12-19-2004, 10:24 PM
we are not ready to play in a playoff game. give em another year.

TheTim5125
12-19-2004, 10:25 PM
I know we aren't ready but we could get in if the a few AFC teams collapse and we win out.

OzzO
12-19-2004, 10:26 PM
I think we're out. From the "still a chance" scenarios seen today - never saw the Texans. Jags were just holding on along with the Bills and one other team that I forget.

ArlingtonTexan
12-19-2004, 10:32 PM
I think if Ravens win tonight that even the math goes out the window because the jets and Ravens both would have too many wins to get back to the 8-8 mark.

TheTim5125
12-19-2004, 10:34 PM
Denvers opponents

Denver at Tennessee:Volek has been playing well
Indianapolis at Denver:IDK if Indy will still be playing for seed.

Jaguars opponents

Houston at Jacksonville:tough game for us at least we should play the spoiler
Jacksonville at Oakland: Oakland played well but Jacksonville is the favorite

Baltimore opponents

Baltimore at Pittsburgh:Pittsburgh needs homefield
Miami at Baltimore: Miami has been playing better.

Bills opponents

Buffalo at San Francisco: Bills should win
Pittsburgh at Buffalo: Pitt wants homefield


I'm just saying... it could happen.. highly unlikely but could happen

LiveForTheGame
12-19-2004, 11:59 PM
It may be able to happen, but it won't. Also, I don't want the Texans to make it this season. I want them to succeed, but losing big in the first round isn't my idea of success just because they made the playoffs. Especially with the terrible middle portion of the season. They aren't a playoff team yet.

TexanBacker93
12-20-2004, 01:50 AM
Ok probably not but we are mathmatically still in it... The way I see it if Denver, Buffalo, and the Jags, and Baltimore lose out, and we win out we would some how have the Tie breaker for that group... can some one shed some light on this. We are still in the hunt....

I believe it's because when multiple teams tie for a wild card spot and they haven't all played each other an even number of times they will go to conference record. If Houston wins out they will have a 7-5 conference record. If Denver, the Ravens, the Jags, and the Bills lose out they will all have worse conference records. Denver could do it, but I don't think the others will lose 2 each. Still, it's nice to still be "involved" this late in the season.

Speedy
12-20-2004, 02:11 AM
If I'm understanding the tie-breaking procedures correctly, the Texans make the playoffs if:

Texans win final 2 games

and

Buffalo, Baltimore, Denver and Jacksonville all lose their remaining games

and

Kansas City wins their final 2 games

and

Cincinnati loses at least one.

HoustonFan
12-20-2004, 02:35 AM
If I'm understanding the tie-breaking procedures correctly, the Texans make the playoffs if:

Texans win final 2 games

and

Buffalo, Baltimore, Denver and Jacksonville all lose their remaining games

and

Kansas City wins their final 2 games

and

Cincinnati loses at least one.

Sounds about right to me.

Hey but anything can happen in a football game, right? Aside from that, I think for the Texans to be true contenders for and in the playoffs is something we'll have no choice but to wait until next year for. They can go no place but up which is what I see - improved another game from last season. So let's keep the party going Texans, finsh this season up strong!!!!!

TheTim5125
12-20-2004, 08:31 AM
Lets just spoil the Jaguars playoff hopes

HJam72
12-20-2004, 08:37 AM
Let's shoot for #2 in our division and forget about play-offs. We're not ready for play-offs yet, anyway.

TheOgre
12-20-2004, 09:44 AM
If I'm understanding the tie-breaking procedures correctly, the Texans make the playoffs if:

Texans win final 2 games

and

Buffalo, Baltimore, Denver and Jacksonville all lose their remaining games

and

Kansas City wins their final 2 games

and

Cincinnati loses at least one.

I don't think that is correct. I don't see where KC or Cincy effects our playoff chances.

Lets assume that Baltimore, Buffalo, Jacksonville, Denver and Houston are all tied at 8-8.

3+ way Tiebreakers

1. Record

2 Sweeps
a. Did anyone sweep all of the teams in the tiebreaker? No
b. Did anyone lose to all of the teams in the tiebreaker (eliminating themselves in the process)? No

Conference Records
Team/Record/Conf. Record
Houston 8-8 7-5
Balt. 8-8 5-7
Buffalo 8-8 5-7
Denver 8-8 5-7
Jack. 8-8 5-7
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KC 8-8 7-5
Cinci 8-8 4-8

If KC loses a game, then we have the best conference record and would advance. If KC wins both games, then we would check tiebreakers with KC (since both are 7-5 in the conference) to determine who would advance. Since we beat them, we would go.

It is my understanding that we need Balt., Buffalo, Denver, and Jacksonville to lose them all and for us to win out.

dan7
12-20-2004, 09:47 AM
While still mathematically possibly this season, I'd like to think that realistically the playoffs are something the Texans should aim for next season.

TheTim5125
12-20-2004, 10:43 AM
as much as I want to be in the playoffs I don't feel that we are ready.

SBTexans08
12-20-2004, 10:54 AM
Let's just win the next two games. You have to give the Jags credit for last night's game......they'll be tough in their home field especially after being humbled by the Texans earlier this season....hehe!!

Double Barrel
12-20-2004, 12:49 PM
I'd be REALLY happy ending the season with an 8-8 record and just missing the playoffs.

I don't think this team is up to the task of a playoff game, and it would be a much more optimistic ending to have an 8-8 record and just miss the playoffs, than ending the season in a blowout.

Speedy
12-20-2004, 01:00 PM
I don't think that is correct. I don't see where KC or Cincy effects our playoff chances.

Lets assume that Baltimore, Buffalo, Jacksonville, Denver and Houston are all tied at 8-8.

3+ way Tiebreakers

1. Record

2 Sweeps
a. Did anyone sweep all of the teams in the tiebreaker? No
b. Did anyone lose to all of the teams in the tiebreaker (eliminating themselves in the process)? No

Conference Records
Team/Record/Conf. Record
Houston 8-8 7-5
Balt. 8-8 5-7
Buffalo 8-8 5-7
Denver 8-8 5-7
Jack. 8-8 5-7
-------------
KC 8-8 7-5
Cinci 8-8 4-8

If KC loses a game, then we have the best conference record and would advance. If KC wins both games, then we would check tiebreakers with KC (since both are 7-5 in the conference) to determine who would advance. Since we beat them, we would go.

It is my understanding that we need Balt., Buffalo, Denver, and Jacksonville to lose them all and for us to win out. Correction....I think.

KC doesn't need to win out, however if they did we would still be in because the 1st tie-breaker with multiple teams for a wild card is Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. First division tie-breaker is Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).

Houston would eliminate Jags because they would have swept them. KC would eliminate Denver on better division record.

Now we have Buffalo, Baltimore, Houston, and KC. 2nd tie-breaker 3 or more teams for wild card is Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.) Hoston didn't play Buffalo or Baltimore. This step does not apply. Step 3 is Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Houston and KC would both be 7-5 elimminating Buffalo and Baltimore, both 5-7. Now the tie-breaker reverts to the 2 team formula. 1st tiebreaker is Head-to-head, if applicable. Houston beats KC in week 3, Houston wins the wild card.

So.....my previous post is indeed incorrect. It doesn't matter what KC or Cincinnati does.

The TEXANS are in the playoffs if:

they win their remaining games

AND

Baltimore, Buffalo, Denver, and Jacksonville ALL lose their remaining games.

Whew!!!!

Somebody else can figure out the odds of that happening.

gwallaia
12-20-2004, 01:02 PM
Here's the math. There is no way in hell the Texans are going to the playoffs this season.

Maybe next season.

Yankee_In_TX
12-20-2004, 01:09 PM
Here's the math. There is no way in hell the Texans are going to the playoffs this season.

Maybe next season.

Crazy people.

No playoffs for Xmas.

Just gimme 8-8!

Speedy
12-20-2004, 01:09 PM
Well, yeah, there IS a way in hell. I just spelled it out for you. Is it going to happen? Highly unlikely. But here we are going into week 16 and the Texans have NOT been eliminated from playoff contention. We are going in the right direction folks.

axman40
12-20-2004, 02:31 PM
If the Texans win out and make the playoffs, I do not see a down side!This MB is so funny first Texans were not making enough progress and now they should not make the playoffs because some fans are afraid to lose in the playoffs? I am not skreed win out and bring on the post season!
:coolb:

H-TownRules
12-20-2004, 02:42 PM
If you actually do the math, there is a 1 in 512 chance we will make the playoffs.... I'd be happy to take on any bets from people saying we will make the playoffs at these same odds...

axman40
12-20-2004, 09:32 PM
Friday, Dec. 24

Saturday, Dec. 25
Oakland at Kansas City, 5:00 p.m. Denver at Tennessee, 8:30 p.m.
Sunday, Dec. 26
Houston at Jacksonville, 1:00 p.m.
N.Y. Giants at Cincinnati, 1:00 p.m.
Buffalo at San Francisco, 4:05 p.m.

WEEK 17
Sunday, Jan. 2
Cincinnati at Philadelphia, 1:00 p.m. Cleveland at Houston, 1:00 p.m.
Pittsburgh at Buffalo, 1:00 p.m.
Indianapolis at Denver, 4:15 p.m. Jacksonville at Oakland, 4:15 p.m.
Kansas City at San Diego, 4:15 p.m.
So all the teams in bold need to lose and we need to win the last 2. :hmmm:
Those are mighty long odds.
:BananaWav