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dalemurphy
08-08-2008, 04:41 PM
Brown
Winston
Butler
Pitts
Briesel
Studdard
Frye
CWhite
CMyers

Maybe Salaam makes openning day roster as #10 (inactive) but I doubt it. I'm excited about this group and feel great about it... Lots of athleticism, youth, and versatility.

gtexan02
08-08-2008, 04:42 PM
If the injury is what we are hearing it described as, Im almost 100% sure Salaam will be around. He's just got too much experience

gary
08-08-2008, 04:55 PM
You don't think Weary makes the OL if he was healthy?

Porky
08-08-2008, 05:02 PM
Butler over Salaam?

Don't trade in your day job for a swami hat and a crystal ball anytime soon. :devilpig:

gary
08-08-2008, 05:17 PM
I was wondering about Weary as well.

dalemurphy
08-08-2008, 05:24 PM
You don't think Weary makes the OL if he was healthy?


moot point! he's not healthy and he's way behind in picking up the OLine scheme, according to Kubiak.

dalemurphy
08-08-2008, 05:25 PM
Butler over Salaam?

Don't trade in your day job for a swami hat and a crystal ball anytime soon. :devilpig:

100% that Butler makes the team. Yep. Salaam's injury increases the opportunity and likelihood that Frye makes it as well

The Pencil Neck
08-08-2008, 05:28 PM
I was wondering about Weary as well.

These problems with pain from the screws are going to make it hard for him to make the team. Which is really sad.

barrett
08-08-2008, 05:32 PM
i still think salaam makes the team. weary doesn't. frey.... i dunno.

Tackles : Winston, Brown, Butler, Salaam

Guards: Pitts, Brisel, Studdard, White (which scares me. i would have been riding high if weary was our healthy backup instead of Studdard)

Centers: Meyers, White. Eslinger has been running with the 3's the whole time. he doesn't make it.

i'm not sure what purpose working brisel at C is other than emergency stuff. White can play both C and G for sure.

gary
08-08-2008, 05:32 PM
It's probably why he is behind.

The Pencil Neck
08-08-2008, 05:44 PM
i still think salaam makes the team. weary doesn't. frey.... i dunno.

Tackles : Winston, Brown, Butler, Salaam

Guards: Pitts, Brisel, Studdard, White (which scares me. i would have been riding high if weary was our healthy backup instead of Studdard)

Centers: Meyers, White. Eslinger has been running with the 3's the whole time. he doesn't make it.

i'm not sure what purpose working brisel at C is other than emergency stuff. White can play both C and G for sure.

Brisiel being able to play C means Eslinger is totally and completely gone.

The injuries to Weary and Salaam really make me uncomfortable.

Porky
08-08-2008, 05:53 PM
100% that Butler makes the team. Yep. Salaam's injury increases the opportunity and likelihood that Frye makes it as well

What makes you so sure? Do you have some special knowledge? I can see Butler making it WITH Salaam but not instead of. Just not buying that at this point.

nunusguy
08-08-2008, 06:26 PM
At the very least, wouldn't they put Weary on PUP ? He's an established
NFL starting guard who would probably be scooped up by another team
that would wait for him to heal if we don't tie him up.
As far as Butler goes, its my understanding that he can play OT on either the left or right side, which is something most NFL tackles can't do ? And he is freakishly athletic - so he's a natural for the ZB system.

threetoedpete
08-08-2008, 06:32 PM
No one knows. Not Kubiak. Not Gibbs. Not John Benton. No one. What I will say is that Frye and Butler will be given every opportunity the next two games to prove they do or don't belong. If they were certain about anything they wouldn't be calling up Spencer's agent for a PS slot & they wouldn't have signed Tucker. positions 6- 10 are still wide open and will be until someone plays them selves onto the street. I believe Weary is in trouble. I believe they will Keep Salaam.

ObsiWan
08-08-2008, 06:33 PM
What are the legalities of being placed on Injured Reserve?
I believe that player counts against the 80-man roster but will he count against the final 53-man talley?

gary
08-08-2008, 06:35 PM
I hope they put Weary on the PUP.

aj.
08-08-2008, 06:36 PM
What are the legalities of being placed on Injured Reserve?
I believe that player counts against the 80-man roster but will he count against the final 53-man talley?

No and no. IR = gone for the year and can't come back.

gary
08-08-2008, 06:39 PM
I wonder how Spencer is doing.

ChampionTexan
08-08-2008, 06:40 PM
At the very least, wouldn't they put Weary on PUP ? He's an established
NFL starting guard who would probably be scooped up by another team
that would wait for him to heal if we don't tie him up.
As far as Butler goes, its my understanding that he can play OT on either the left or right side, which is something most NFL tackles can't do ? And he is freakishly athletic - so he's a natural for the ZB system.

I believe the time to be placed on the PUP list has come and gone. You can remove people for a little while longer, but I'm pretty sure you can't add anyone.

ObsiWan
08-08-2008, 06:43 PM
No and no. IR = gone for the year and can't come back.

dumb. found out why too....

Currently, the NFL's injured reserve rule restricts a player so designated from returning to play during the season that he's placed on the list. For further information on the rules concerning the contract status and compensation for injured players, see the Collective Bargaining Agreement (or CBA).


This represented a rule change which, I believe (I'm still researching this), was instituted when the current CBA was ratified.


Prior to that, the injured reserve rule distinguished between a player going on the list before the final roster was set (in pre-season) and after that. A player going on injured reserve in pre-season was, like now, lost for the season but a player going on the list during the season only had to sit out for a minimum of four games.


Apparantly, the NFL owners pushed for this rule change in an effort to police themselves. I've read that some, unnamed, owners (the NFL owners' meetings are private) felt that some teams were illegally using the injured reserve list to stash players who weren't really injured to circumvent the rules on roster limits (to gain a competitive advantage).

disaacks3
08-08-2008, 06:44 PM
What are the legalities of being placed on Injured Reserve?
I believe that player counts against the 80-man roster but will he count against the final 53-man talley?

No and no. IR = gone for the year and can't come back. That's the big difference between IR and PuP.

dalemurphy
08-08-2008, 06:44 PM
What makes you so sure? Do you have some special knowledge? I can see Butler making it WITH Salaam but not instead of. Just not buying that at this point.


I should rephrase: I'm very confident that Butler will make the team... I have no special knowledge other than the fact that Butler soared up the depth chart last year after his disease was treated and diagnosed, that's he's supremely nimble and athletic and that he's 9 years younger and healthier than Salaam- besides that fact, he clearly is the coaches preferred option at tackle after Brown, Winston, and Salaam.

dalemurphy
08-08-2008, 06:45 PM
I hope they put Weary on the PUP.

they can't... once a player has participated in team practices, he is ineligible for that season's PUP list.

aj.
08-08-2008, 07:10 PM
dumb. found out why too....

It's been that way for a while.

As far as PUP, the only way you get on Reserve PUP (the Week 6 PUP) is to be on Active PUP. The only way to get on Active PUP is to fail a physical before the first practice of training camp. That's why you always see the PUP transactions during the last week of July. There is no Reserve PUP option (in-season PUP) for Weary or any other player besides Dunta. For players who can't pass a physical due to an injury after training camp starts, it either Waived-Injured with a settlement, or IR with full salary and medical care/rehab for the season.

gary
08-08-2008, 07:11 PM
they can't... once a player has participated in team practices, he is ineligible for that season's PUP list.Oh.

ObsiWan
08-08-2008, 07:34 PM
It's been that way for a while.

As far as PUP, the only way you get on Reserve PUP (the Week 6 PUP) is to be on Active PUP. The only way to get on Active PUP is to fail a physical before the first practice of training camp. That's why you always see the PUP transactions during the last week of July. There is no Reserve PUP option (in-season PUP) for Weary or any other player besides Dunta. For players who can't pass a physical due to an injury after training camp starts, it either Waived-Injured with a settlement, or IR with full salary and medical care/rehab for the season.

Thanks.
You would think that the NFL would take a lesson from MLB and have a 15-day DL or something

ChampionTexan
08-08-2008, 07:35 PM
Brown
Winston
Butler
Pitts
Briesel
Studdard
Frye
CWhite
CMyers

Maybe Salaam makes openning day roster as #10 (inactive) but I doubt it. I'm excited about this group and feel great about it... Lots of athleticism, youth, and versatility.

Just to get on the record - and be able to say I told you so - I still say there's no way Salaam's not on the 53 man roster come game one. The only way I see something else happening is if the knee is worse than we currently think and he ends up on IR. (And yes - you will be able to say I told you so should events warrant also).

That's not saying Butler won't make it - I think there's a really good chance they'll keep 10, and even if it's nine, I believe there's a pretty good chance Butler's still there.

aj.
08-08-2008, 07:38 PM
Unless there's some unforeseen complication, Salaam is most definitely going to be on the 53.

ChampionTexan
08-08-2008, 07:43 PM
Thanks.
You would think that the NFL would take a lesson from MLB and have a 15-day DL or something

They use to have a 4-week in season IR, but at that time the roster size was only 47. In '93 they increased the roster size to 53 (with 8 inactivated for game-day), and made the IR only for players lost for the entire remainder of the season.

aj.
08-08-2008, 07:50 PM
In '93 they ... made the IR only for players lost for the entire remainder of the season.


I knew it had been like that for a while...

pittbull3
08-08-2008, 09:21 PM
i still think salaam makes the team. weary doesn't. frey.... i dunno.

Tackles : Winston, Brown, Butler, Salaam

Guards: Pitts, Brisel, Studdard, White (which scares me. i would have been riding high if weary was our healthy backup instead of Studdard)

Centers: Meyers, White. Eslinger has been running with the 3's the whole time. he doesn't make it.

i'm not sure what purpose working brisel at C is other than emergency stuff. White can play both C and G for sure.

The way Butler and Frye are playing, Salaam is the odd man out. With his having his kneee scoped, not practicing in the scheme, the Texans will not carry an aging OL, that has issues of staying healthy. Kubiak loves both Butler anf Frye, and the Texans carry 10 linemen. Butler can play LT or RT, Frye, RT or RG. You can also expect Eslinger to be cut as well.:aggressive:

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2008, 01:41 AM
The way Butler and Frye are playing, Salaam is the odd man out. With his having his kneee scoped, not practicing in the scheme, the Texans will not carry an aging OL, that has issues of staying healthy. Kubiak loves both Butler anf Frye, and the Texans carry 10 linemen. Butler can play LT or RT, Frye, RT or RG. You can also expect Eslinger to be cut as well.:aggressive:

I hadn't heard much of anything about Frye except that they had drafted him as a guard and then just in this thread that they've actually been playing him at Tackle. Last year, I was really hoping he was going to be that athletic tackle we needed for the ZB. But of course, he got injured early.

Has he been looking good in camp?

ObsiWan
08-09-2008, 03:22 AM
I hadn't heard much of anything about Frye except that they had drafted him as a guard and then just in this thread that they've actually been playing him at Tackle. Last year, I was really hoping he was going to be that athletic tackle we needed for the ZB. But of course, he got injured early.

Has he been looking good in camp?

I went to four of the open session and I didn't even recall seeing him out there. However, I didn't specificially go watch the OL drills like PainKiller and Gary (I think) did. So my info is limited to the 11-on-11 and 9-on-11 snaps.

Like you, I thought he could be an athletic OT. But I haven't heard anything in the pressers or in the Chronic about him.

nunusguy
08-09-2008, 08:29 AM
I hadn't heard much of anything about Frye except that they had drafted him as a guard and then just in this thread that they've actually been playing him at Tackle.

He was Virginia Techs LT in 2006 while Duane Brown was VTs RT at the other side of their OLine that year. Frye was very much like Brown in that he was very athletic while still having excellent functional strength, but we drafted him late in the second day of the Draft, 5th round I think, while of course we
used our first-rounder on Brown this year. And that's one of the reasons so many people were stunned by using such a high pick on Brown - many rated him MOL the same kind of prospect for the NFL as Frye.

aj.
08-09-2008, 09:13 AM
Not sure where all the Frye love is coming from. Kubiak has described him and Butler as good young players but he says that about a lot of his 'kids.' Who has seen him play in a game wearing Texans gear? His stat sheet shows that he played in two preseason games last year but I've since erased them.

I hope he becomes a pro-bowler some day but what I've seen so far is a pretty low-key and relatively anonymous backup that hasn't really stood out - good or bad. He looks more like a G to me - and maybe an emergency backup RT. Maybe he's a guy that can take the next step under Gibbs. We'll see. We will certainly see more of him over the next two weeks with Weary, Jackson, and Salaam out. Hopefully he does well given the chance and surprises us like Brisiel.

Lucky
08-09-2008, 11:21 AM
I'm not sure I can accurately predict what I'm having for lunch, much less the o-line on the opening day roster. But I can list the locks, probables, bubble boys, and long shots.

Locks (unless injured)
Winston
Brown
Pitts
Myers
Briesel
Butler

Probable
Salaam - Has he accepted his role as swing tackle? Attitude is my only concern.
White - Backup center spot is his to lose

Bubble Boys
Weary - Can't make the team from the training table
Studdard - He seems like a Gibbs kind of guy
Frye - Needs some exposure at the guard position
Jackson - Mr. Versiltility. Has played at both guard & tackle for the Texans, and played center in college.

Long Shots
Eslinger - Has to standout in the preseason. Or hope for an injury.
Fenton - Who?
Tucker - Journeyman who has no chance to stick here. Could have started on some of the early Texans O-lines.

dalemurphy
08-10-2008, 09:41 PM
I'm not sure I can accurately predict what I'm having for lunch, much less the o-line on the opening day roster. But I can list the locks, probables, bubble boys, and long shots.

Locks (unless injured)
Winston
Brown
Pitts
Myers
Briesel
Butler

Probable
Salaam - Has he accepted his role as swing tackle? Attitude is my only concern.
White - Backup center spot is his to lose

Bubble Boys
Weary - Can't make the team from the training table
Studdard - He seems like a Gibbs kind of guy
Frye - Needs some exposure at the guard position
Jackson - Mr. Versiltility. Has played at both guard & tackle for the Texans, and played center in college.

Long Shots
Eslinger - Has to standout in the preseason. Or hope for an injury.
Fenton - Who?
Tucker - Journeyman who has no chance to stick here. Could have started on some of the early Texans O-lines.



Well, after one game, I think a couple things became clear:

1. Eslinger won't make this team unless we are ravaged by injuries. He was awful!

2. I think you can move Frye into the probable category. He played very well the entire second half at RT, even played one down at LT when Butler limped off. So, not only did he play well, but has quite a bit of versatility if he can play both tackle spots and guard.

3. Butler was great and will clearly make the team.

4. I'm not sold on Studdard but apparently Kubiak is.

barrett
08-11-2008, 03:26 AM
white is a lock in my opinion as well. #2 Center. (inactive on gameday unless Meyers is hurt) can play both guard positions. i think the whole point of having Briesel practice some C is so that we don't have to activate White. He's a lock though.