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Wolf
08-05-2008, 03:37 PM
http://www.quickdfw.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/080608dnspoinsidethenfl.141e71c8.html


Middle linebacker Patrick Willis of the San Francisco 49ers was the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year in 2007.

If you trust his statistics, he should have been the NFL's Defensive Player of the Year as well. Maybe even the NFL Defensive Player of the Decade.

Willis was credited with 226 tackles by the 49ers – a staggering 42 more than the league's next most prolific tackler, Ray Lewis of the Baltimore Ravens.

Willis collected 117 more tackles than the starting NFC middle linebacker in the Pro Bowl (Lofa Tatupu, Seattle Seahawks) and 99 more than the AFC starter (Demeco Ryans, Houston Texans). Was Willis that much more active, that much more proficient than any other defensive player in the NFL?

But I don't trust the statistics – not tackle stats, anyway.

Each NFL team employs a stat crew for its home games. That crew's final statistics are deemed official by the league office: yardage for rushing, passing, receiving and various kick returns plus field goal and punting distances, sacks, interceptions, touchdowns ...

But 28 of the 32 NFL teams do not acknowledge the press box tackle stats as official. On the Monday following games, NFL defensive coaching staffs break down the films on their own and award a new set of tackle numbers. Those are listed by each team as its "official" tackle count.

Willis was credited with 174 tackles by NFL stat crews in 2007. Upon further review, the San Francisco coaches gave him credit for 52 more tackles, bumping his "official" count to 226.
San Francisco linebacker Patrick Willis wrapped up Minnesota's Adrian Peterson for one of his NFL-leading 226 tackles last season. But was it a legitimate total?

How is it possible for stat crews league-wide to miss 52 tackles by Willis? That's a 23 percent increase in his tackle count. That's like the New England offensive staff studying weekly game tapes and uncovering 1,400 passing yards that stat crews missed in Tom Brady's 2007 season.

Polo
08-05-2008, 03:42 PM
Take away the 52 tackles and he's still a beast....

infantrycak
08-05-2008, 03:43 PM
Nobody but Niners fans are looking at Niners stats. Bored writer.

gtexan02
08-05-2008, 03:54 PM
Its a little funny though..

That left 781 defensive snaps that involved a tackle and the Colts' coaching staff awarded a league-high 1,416 tackles. That's an average of 1.81 tackles per play. The Indianapolis staff awarded 891 "solo" tackles in those 781 plays. Figure that one out.

Ole Miss Texan
08-05-2008, 04:01 PM
I once saw Patrick Willis make a tackle in Seattle but he was in Arizona.

Double Barrel
08-05-2008, 04:09 PM
The fact that contracts are partly negotiated on stats should indicate that teams might take this subject a lot more seriously. But why inflate the numbers if it's going to cost you down the road? :um:

Polo
08-05-2008, 04:19 PM
1.81 tackles PER play is ridiculous....

But it is possible for there to be more than one tackle on a given play...

Wolf
08-05-2008, 04:49 PM
I am sleepy and can't think.

how can you have more than one tackle on a play?

why aren't they like sacks ..you either get a full sack or a 1/2 of a sack

now I understand there is a difference where three guys or more might jump on a ball carrier and bring him down.. but I am curious on how they divide that up on tackles

Polo
08-05-2008, 05:57 PM
I am sleepy and can't think.

how can you have more than one tackle on a play?

why aren't they like sacks ..you either get a full sack or a 1/2 of a sack

now I understand there is a difference where three guys or more might jump on a ball carrier and bring him down.. but I am curious on how they divide that up on tackles

They keep track of 1/2 tackles too...

But there can be more than one tackle when fumbles occur...

RB gets tackled, Fumbles in the process, offensive player recovers, gets tackled again...

gtexan02
08-05-2008, 08:31 PM
My understanding was that when a RB runs up th emiddle, and the "pile" converges on him, there are like 6 1/2 tackles assigned (3 total)

Corrosion
08-05-2008, 08:42 PM
1.81 tackles PER play is ridiculous....

But it is possible for there to be more than one tackle to be on the field on a given play...

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