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DiehardChris
07-30-2008, 06:21 PM
Per Rotoworld (http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3770).

brakos82
07-30-2008, 06:22 PM
Another Denver dude... :wild:

NBT
07-30-2008, 06:26 PM
I don't think Chris Brown has much to fear from Mike Bell, but I do wish he would get off his ass and start practicing instead of doping off on the sideline with back spasms. He won't shed his nickname of "glassman" doing that.

DiehardChris
07-30-2008, 06:32 PM
I don't think Chris Brown has much to fear from Mike Bell, but I do wish he would get off his ass and start practicing instead of doping off on the sideline with back spasms. He won't shed his nickname of "glassman" doing that.

So you're saying they're just bringing Bell in to motivate Brown? It's not like they can sign Bell without cutting someone. The roster is at 80, and that can't change unless there's some rule I don't know about.

So, if Bell shows up and looks great - I think Brown might actually have something to fear.

Silver Oak
07-30-2008, 06:33 PM
I think Walker should be more concerned...despite his good showing in camp to this point.

Thorn
07-30-2008, 06:34 PM
I don't think Chris Brown has much to fear from Mike Bell, but I do wish he would get off his ass and start practicing instead of doping off on the sideline with back spasms. He won't shed his nickname of "glassman" doing that.

This should be expected from signing anyone with a history of injuries. Chris Brown does have talent, but if he can't stay upright what difference does it make?

Bell has done time at FB and RB in the ZBS, so I imagine that's why they want to take a look at him.

ChampionTexan
07-30-2008, 06:43 PM
This should be expected from signing anyone with a history of injuries. Chris Brown does have talent, but if he can't stay upright what difference does it make?

Bell has done time at FB and RB in the ZBS, so I imagine that's why they want to take a look at him.

It was said earlier in this thread - Bell's time at FB for the Bronco's wasn't chock full of success by anyone's definition, and after a shoulder injury, his game in total was pretty ineffective.

I don't see Bell making this team if they bring him in, but if he's an able body, that in itself may give him an edge over Chris Brown right now!

DiehardChris
07-30-2008, 06:44 PM
I think Walker should be more concerned...despite his good showing in camp to this point.

Nah, that would set a horrible precedent. There's no way they'd cut Walker at this early stage in favor of Mike Bell, especially with Brown hurt. If all the RBs were healthy and practicing, and they brought Bell in - then I would agree Walker might be the one in more trouble... but the coaches wouldn't slap DW in the face like that. Not six days in.

The only other thing I guess would be if the Texans knew they were going to cut a certain player at a different position - and don't think that they have to bring in another position to fill the void... for example - safety. I think we have seven right now. They could probably cut one without having to bring in another.

Thorn
07-30-2008, 06:53 PM
It was said earlier in this thread - Bell's time at FB for the Bronco's wasn't chock full of success by anyone's definition, and after a shoulder injury, his game in total was pretty ineffective.

I don't see Bell making this team if they bring him in, but if he's an able body, that in itself may give him an edge over Chris Brown right now!

Yeah, pretty much. Bell is just getting a look see in case something horrible happens later.

Tejasman
07-30-2008, 08:07 PM
I do not think GK/RS would bring in anybody that they did not think had a chance to improve the team.

Remember Mike Bell beat out Tatom Bell his rookie year.

I think that WR is also a possible cut back to make room for an additional RB.:jogger:

Vinny
07-30-2008, 08:12 PM
to me this is just a sign that they aren't totally happy with their backs (the Texans are looking at a "group" of RB's - per rotoworld). If I had to guess, Brown is the player most on the hot seat. It may be unfair to Brown since he is supposedly injured but he looked old and slow when I got a peek at him.

aj.
07-30-2008, 08:23 PM
http://texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=956989&postcount=22

DiehardChris
07-30-2008, 08:29 PM
I do not think GK/RS would bring in anybody that they did not think had a chance to improve the team.

Remember Mike Bell beat out Tatom Bell his rookie year.

I think that WR is also a possible cut back to make room for an additional RB.:jogger:

Good call - we have 10 WRs and will probably only carry 4. Probably more likely to drop one of them than a safety.

aj.
07-30-2008, 08:39 PM
...will probably only carry 4.

Really?

Carried 5 into Week 1 last year (plus 4 TEs).

Why is this year going to be different?

Specnatz
07-30-2008, 09:02 PM
Good call - we have 10 WRs and will probably only carry 4. Probably more likely to drop one of them than a safety.

You have 4 QBs in camp and you need WR for them to throw to.

DiehardChris
07-30-2008, 09:35 PM
Really?

Carried 5 into Week 1 last year (plus 4 TEs).

Why is this year going to be different?

Did they not carry 4 WRs for the vast majority of the year last year?

DiehardChris
07-30-2008, 09:38 PM
You have 4 QBs in camp and you need WR for them to throw to.

So you think it's more likely that they'd cut Brown in favor of Bell if Kubiak likes what he sees?

ObsiWan
07-30-2008, 09:51 PM
Did they not carry 4 WRs for the vast majority of the year last year?

I believe the times we dropped down to only 4 WRs, it was because AJ was on IR or JJ didn't dress out due to his shoulder.
I think we started out with AJ, AD, Mathis (soon cut), JJ, and KW.

dalemurphy
07-30-2008, 10:10 PM
to me this is just a sign that they aren't totally happy with their backs (the Texans are looking at a "group" of RB's - per rotoworld). If I had to guess, Brown is the player most on the hot seat. It may be unfair to Brown since he is supposedly injured but he looked old and slow when I got a peek at him.



I think they're happy with the group but certainly not with Brown. I think Brown will be gone by next weekend, judging by the way Kubiak talks about the situation and his body language and tone.

I think they are determined to be solid at RB no matter what happens this year. Partially because of Green's age and injury history, I think they've pre-determined to hit the season with 4 quality RBs and hopefully Walker on the practice squad. Mike Bell, if he works out well, would essentially be replacing CBrown, IMO.

aj.
07-30-2008, 10:20 PM
Did they not carry 4 WRs for the vast majority of the year last year?

I believe the times we dropped down to only 4 WRs, it was because AJ was on IR or JJ didn't dress out due to his shoulder.
I think we started out with AJ, AD, Mathis (soon cut), JJ, and KW.


They carried 5 for the vast majority of the season last year and 6 for at least 3 games in the middle of AJ's inactive status and after Jacoby went down. Never 4. \

Four active and 1 or 2 inactive for some games, yes, but I'm talking roster spots (which I think you were too). 'Carry' means on the 53 to me. And in that case 5 is kinda normal for Kubiak.

AJ wasn't on IR. That means gone for the season. He was on the 53 but on inactive game status for whatever amount of games that was....

DiehardChris
07-30-2008, 10:38 PM
No .... they carried 5 for the vast majority of the season last year when AJ was healthy, and 6 for at least 3 games in the middle of AJ's inactivity and after Jacoby went down. Never 4.

I'm talking roster spots ('carry' means on the 53 to me). 5 is kinda normal for Kubiak. AJ wasn't on IR.

Wow, SIX? Man, my memory sucks for that kind of thing. Thanks for the clarification.

Wolf
07-30-2008, 10:51 PM
all I know is Chris Brown is blowing it (from reports on here) ...can't make the club if you are in the tub

and definitely can't push anyone for starting position (or RBBC)

I hate to see that but it is true

GP
07-30-2008, 11:12 PM
I think this is a sign that they regret bringing in Chris Brown. And I definitely think they intend to cut Chris Brown and fill his spot with Bell if they like what they see from Bell.

IlliniJen
07-30-2008, 11:17 PM
I think this is a sign that they regret bringing in Chris Brown. And I definitely think they intend to cut Chris Brown and fill his spot with Bell if they like what they see from Bell.

This was an easy knock to see on Brown for years now. I never did understand why they signed him given his inability to stay on the field. He does have talent and he'd be a fine RB if he could stay healthy.

The decisions at RB have puzzled me for years now. I don't know if it's the team's blind spot or what, but I guess we'll see how their strategy and planning bears out this year. The running game has to step it up big time to take this team to the level we all want them to be at.

Spike
07-30-2008, 11:34 PM
What does it cost the Texans to cut Brown? I forgot what kind of deal he got and would be interested to know what of that he would get paid (and would count against our cap) if we cut him.

DiehardChris
07-31-2008, 12:03 AM
Er - could a mod please fix the subject line? The visit is actually Friday, not tomorrow. Sorry 'bout that.

GP
07-31-2008, 12:17 AM
This was an easy knock to see on Brown for years now. I never did understand why they signed him given his inability to stay on the field. He does have talent and he'd be a fine RB if he could stay healthy.

The decisions at RB have puzzled me for years now. I don't know if it's the team's blind spot or what, but I guess we'll see how their strategy and planning bears out this year. The running game has to step it up big time to take this team to the level we all want them to be at.

Me, too. My theory is that there's an arrogance there, or at least a strong tendency to avoid big-name RBs (Within Kubiak, which he adopted from Shanahan while in Denver).

The precious zone blocking system is THE key to the success of the running game, and therefore any old RB can be a star in "the system." At least that's what I feel when I see how the RB position has been treated.

It's as if Shanahan, and now Kubiak, want to validate their offense system by sticking to the idea of grabbing what I consider to be a "project RB" who seems to be just waiting to be discovered by the genius head coaches who are smart enough to grab said unknown or undervalued RB..."See? It's not THAT hard. I can grab a guy off the street, or any old castaway and make him fit in our system."

My opinion on this gets me hammered by probably 98% of the posters on this message board. I'm seen as a traitor and non-fan because I dare question the direction of the running game. Does the ZBS work? Only if you have BOTH a good line to run it, as well as a good RB to follow it. It seems we are honestly improving the line...but the RB portion is yet to be seen as having been sincerely addressed.

And I'm not saying that Kubiak alone is guilty. Capers practically lucked into Domanick Davis (Remember that the Texans FO had drafted DD with the idea that he MIGHT be able to contribute as a 3rd down guy and special teamer, at best). Well, DD blew up and made the Texans scouting department look pretty good. I don't even think Capers/Casserly can be credited with DD's success, it was just a lot of good fortune at the time...after all, we're talking about the two geniuses who thought James Allen, Jonathan Wells, Tony Hollings, and even Stacey (sp?) Mack could somehow nail down the job. Riiiiiight. Of course, the pickings were a little slim at the time, so it's hard to fault them for trying the best they could as an expansion team. No favors were given us when we began, that's for sure. Hell, we're dadgum blessed to even be alive right now with how slim the pickings were when we began.

OK, enough of the past. Back to NOW, because I Believe In NOW. Ahman Green is great, unless he gets hit on the knee. I suspect he'll do well, again, in the first real game or two...and then the knee will probably get cracked on, it's just part of the game after all, and it'll become too much to manage for Ahman (again). Not a knock on the guy, but it's just how it is. You can't go long before getting whacked, again, in the same spot that brought you down so many times before. BTW, I think this will also happen to Schaub at some point, too, especially in those first five games. YIKES.

A lot of the brain trust here will say that it's absurd for a team to try and pinpoint, and then actually go out and ACQUIRE ($$$$), a top tier RB. The idea, by most here, is that the day of the "feature back" is over.

I think it's extremely hard to really know, for sure, if a top tier guy is absolutely a top tier guy when he hits the field for real on game day. Most people who are Texans fans seem to don't want to fool with trying to risk a high pick on a RB. The risk is high, and it's too much for their ego to take if it were to turn out to be a Reggie Bush-type failure. Texans fans, and I'm one of them by the way, seem to hate the idea of getting trashed by the media. We annually piss and moan about how we "Don't get any looooove from the media" and how we are royally and perennially screwed out of our rightful place in the top power rankings by the preseason gurus on ESPN and elsewhere. We seem to actually want to get some kind remarks form the media as much as we'd like to win an actual game. I fall into it, to, so I am preaching to the choir on this.

Anyways...I have a soap box to stand on when it comes to QB and RB. But I really do appreciate the effort that GK/RS are putting into this team's future. I'd say that GK/RS seem to win a lot more than they lose.

If we keep Schaub and Green (and AJ, too) healthy...our defense is going to be able to pin its ears back and take some chances instead of trying to manage and limit the damage. Football Gods: Please grace our team with only the most minor of injuries...namely a hang nail or a slight sprain.

So...what's a fan to do? I have hopes that Kubiak will swallow his pride after this year and then hopefully make a top tier RB a priority in the first round next year. Or, at least try and trade for a YOUNG and fairly injury-free veteran RB if he's not liking the draft class at RB.

Our way of treating the RB (Dayne? Gado? Chris Brown?) position is definitely helter skelter, to me. Seems to be reaching at straws rather than actually trying to find THE best person out there.

(Sigh) This is the part where I get flamed. Fire away everybody.

Specnatz
07-31-2008, 01:10 AM
This was an easy knock to see on Brown for years now. I never did understand why they signed him given his inability to stay on the field. He does have talent and he'd be a fine RB if he could stay healthy.

The decisions at RB have puzzled me for years now. I don't know if it's the team's blind spot or what, but I guess we'll see how their strategy and planning bears out this year. The running game has to step it up big time to take this team to the level we all want them to be at.

Me, too. My theory is that there's an arrogance there, or at least a strong tendency to avoid big-name RBs (Within Kubiak, which he adopted from Shanahan while in Denver).

The precious zone blocking system is THE key to the success of the running game, and therefore any old RB can be a star in "the system." At least that's what I feel when I see how the RB position has been treated.

It's as if Shanahan, and now Kubiak, want to validate their offense system by sticking to the idea of grabbing what I consider to be a "project RB" who seems to be just waiting to be discovered by the genius head coaches who are smart enough to grab said unknown or undervalued RB..."See? It's not THAT hard. I can grab a guy off the street, or any old castaway and make him fit in our system."

My opinion on this gets me hammered by probably 98% of the posters on this message board. I'm seen as a traitor and non-fan because I dare question the direction of the running game. Does the ZBS work? Only if you have BOTH a good line to run it, as well as a good RB to follow it. It seems we are honestly improving the line...but the RB portion is yet to be seen as having been sincerely addressed.


A lot of the brain trust here will say that it's absurd for a team to try and pinpoint, and then actually go out and ACQUIRE ($$$$), a top tier RB. The idea, by most here, is that the day of the "feature back" is over.

I think it's extremely hard to really know, for sure, if a top tier guy is absolutely a top tier guy when he hits the field for real on game day. Most people who are Texans fans seem to don't want to fool with trying to risk a high pick on a RB. The risk is high, and it's too much for their ego to take if it were to turn out to be a Reggie Bush-type failure. Texans fans, and I'm one of them by the way, seem to hate the idea of getting trashed by the media.

Anyways...I have a soap box to stand on when it comes to QB and RB. But I really do appreciate the effort that GK/RS are putting into this team's future. I'd say that GK/RS seem to win a lot more than they lose.

If we keep Schaub and Green (and AJ, too) healthy...our defense is going to be able to pin its ears back and take some chances instead of trying to manage and limit the damage. Football Gods: Please grace our team with only the most minor of injuries...namely a hang nail or a slight sprain.

Our way of treating the RB (Dayne? Gado? Chris Brown?) position is definitely helter skelter, to me. Seems to be reaching at straws rather than actually trying to find THE best person out there.

(Sigh) This is the part where I get flamed. Fire away everybody.

Actually you get flamed more for your post on the QB than anything GP.

The way I see the RB position in the three drafts that Kubiak has been here is, crap we have a lot of holes (I.E. DL, OL, LB and DB) to fill that are far more of a glaring hole than the RB and that they are trying to do patch work with the RB so that other areas can be made into NFL caliber starters versus guys like Faggins who is not worth even being a nickel corner. Also, it does not help that the team has not had a 2nd round pick the last two years.

As far as droping high round pick on a runningback, I am said all along I donot like it one bit. The Payton, LT or Emmits seem to be a thing of the past with more and more teams running with more than one feature back, to save wear and tear on the commodity and prolong the investment. The 26th spor on down is about right I think for a runningback, but getting a LT is far more important than a RB to a teams success.

You can see with the drafting of Slaton how much the organization knows the runningback position is a weak spot on the team. Also with the bringing in Bell for an interview or workout that they will not just stand pat without looking under every stone for a back that can help this team. I think they actually formulated a plan and have stuck with it despite the criticism of the media and the so called fans who think they no more than the GM and coach.

:texflag:

beerlover
07-31-2008, 05:46 AM
to me this is just a sign that they aren't totally happy with their backs (the Texans are looking at a "group" of RB's - per rotoworld).

spot on. I don't think us fans are too impressed with this group either :splits: I mean Darius Walker was the lone RB standing @ the end of last season (filling in adequately).


If I had to guess, Brown is the player most on the hot seat. It may be unfair to Brown since he is supposedly injured but he looked old and slow when I got a peek at him.

I believe Slayton beats him out in camp, Gibbs is after someone who can explode though the hole on the backside with one cut then downhill from there. so you need vision, speed, deciveness, confidence in your ability, durability (which includes practicing) & a nose for the end zone. I honesly don't see much more the Texans can do until next season to address their need @ RB then, depending on the severity, use a first rd. pick if the right guy is still on the board Chris Wells, RB Ohio State comes to mind (doubtfull he'd still be there) maybe via free agent aquisition or even a trade? I don't expect movement until 09, however Rick Smith is full of surprises :thinking:

aj.
07-31-2008, 07:42 AM
What does it cost the Texans to cut Brown? I forgot what kind of deal he got and would be interested to know what of that he would get paid (and would count against our cap) if we cut him.

800k if he's cut before the season.

He has another 300k in apparent roster bonus money attached to this season and depending on when/how it's paid it might also hit this year. If it's structured like AG's (paid per game) it won't.

All in all, the Texans were smart to not invest much in this guy.

Silver Oak
07-31-2008, 08:31 AM
maybe it's just my perception when looking around the league, but investing a lot of money into one RB may be something only 1/3 of the leagues teams do anymore. with injuries that seem to strike that position especially hard, it makes more sense to invest in a few guys who can get the job done together.

it would be nice to have that star RB we could use as the face of the franchise, but I don't think its a situation where GK has to "swallow his pride" and bring in a stud at RB via FA or the draft.

of course, I could be wrong and they could be looking at upgrading the position the next couple of years, but if we have a good year on the ground, I would bet people will be happy with the strategy GK and RS have taken.

76Texan
07-31-2008, 10:07 AM
The Texans will have a few RBs in for try-out besides the Bell TODAY, McLame reported.

Denzel Washington Jr., Calvin Monroe, and Darnell Terrell

John David Washington, son of actor Denzel Washington, played at Morehouse College and spent the last two seasons on the Rams’ practice squad.

Calvin Monroe has 4.3 speed, and looks like an interesting prospect.
http://ulm.scout.com/2/738920.html

I thought Terrell was a CB at Missouri and was waived last month by the Browns. He was a rookie UDFA.

TexanBacker93
07-31-2008, 10:08 AM
I can't say I hope Kubiak and Smith look at drafting a top tier back in the first round next year until I see how the running game works this season. The problem with using Green is that even if he stays healthy he isn't a long term solution. If he goes down, though, and either Walker or Taylor takes over and has a great season I wouldn't want to see the team draft an RB high. If the team struggles this seaon with consistency and prodution from the RBs I can see them looking at RB in the draft. Shanahan wasn't one to draft linemen high either, but the Texans did this season. I think they will do what is best for the continued success of the team.

infantrycak
07-31-2008, 10:14 AM
Me, too. My theory is that there's an arrogance there, or at least a strong tendency to avoid big-name RBs (Within Kubiak, which he adopted from Shanahan while in Denver).

Consider this a flame if you want but where is the evidence for this? Presumably big name RB's means first two rounds of the draft since getting Slaton doesn't count. So...

2006
1st round--only Reggie Bush was considered worthy of the #1 pick and obviously the pre-draft debate around here about his every down worthiness has proven to be a legitimate concern.
2nd round--Demeco Ryans v. Lendale White. Does taking a player they had rated in the 1st round and were shocked fell to them mean they didn't value RB?

Actually this year provides the strongest evidence available and it is against your point since Kubiak attempted to trade back into the 1st round to get DeAngelo Williams.

2007
1st round--Okoye v. Lynch. The vast majority of pundits had both Okoye and Willis ranked as bpa over Lynch. Plus they had just signed high profile Ahman Green.
2nd round--no pick

2008
1st round--Duane Brown v. Matt Forte. Not sure Forte qualifies as a big name RB. In any event, at best you are looking at one big need against another big need. Can't see how picking one means you don't care about the other.

Not seeing the evidence for the supposition.

IlliniJen
07-31-2008, 10:20 AM
2008
1st round--Duane Brown v. Matt Forte. Not sure Forte qualifies as a big name RB. In any event, at best you are looking at one big need against another big need. Can't see how picking one means you don't care about the other.



This is a bit misleading. Rashard Mendenhall was staring us right in the face before we traded down.

infantrycak
07-31-2008, 10:26 AM
This is a bit misleading. Rashard Mendenhall was staring us right in the face before we traded down.

True and that would be the best counter-example for the list. So we have one strong example of them willing to take a RB in the 1st and one where they chose not to.

Specnatz
07-31-2008, 10:34 AM
This is a bit misleading. Rashard Mendenhall was staring us right in the face before we traded down.

You could also ask since they had said they got the guy they targeted all along, do you value a RB over a LT? I know I sure do not.

GP
07-31-2008, 11:08 AM
Actually you get flamed more for your post on the QB than anything GP.

The way I see the RB position in the three drafts that Kubiak has been here is, crap we have a lot of holes (I.E. DL, OL, LB and DB) to fill that are far more of a glaring hole than the RB and that they are trying to do patch work with the RB so that other areas can be made into NFL caliber starters versus guys like Faggins who is not worth even being a nickel corner. Also, it does not help that the team has not had a 2nd round pick the last two years.

As far as droping high round pick on a runningback, I am said all along I donot like it one bit. The Payton, LT or Emmits seem to be a thing of the past with more and more teams running with more than one feature back, to save wear and tear on the commodity and prolong the investment. The 26th spor on down is about right I think for a runningback, but getting a LT is far more important than a RB to a teams success.

You can see with the drafting of Slaton how much the organization knows the runningback position is a weak spot on the team. Also with the bringing in Bell for an interview or workout that they will not just stand pat without looking under every stone for a back that can help this team. I think they actually formulated a plan and have stuck with it despite the criticism of the media and the so called fans who think they no more than the GM and coach.

:texflag:

Glad you brought those two things up, because they are THE reason why I am not a Schaub fan at the moment.

Not having a 2nd round pick for two straight years has been brutal, and it's why I have a pretty low tolerance for Schaub this year. We might have acquired a "better" QB (that's to be seen, though) but we are TWO players short on our roster due to the trade for Schaub. Two 2nd rounders, guys. That's two guys who fall into the top 60 or so of both years' draft classes, meaning we would have had a couple of starters at a couple of positions. We dropped two more-than-likely starters for a backup QB (Schaub) who has potential when we already had a backup QB (Sage) who virtually appeared to be about the same guy in terms of effectiveness at the position of QB. So, yeah...I have a chip on my shoulder when I think about Matt Schaub vs. Sage Rosenfels. Sage cost us nothing.

Throw in this year's first round selection of Duane Brown, who albeit MIGHT have been Gibbs' guy all along, though that could be a standard PR line to save face for trading down, and we do have a bit of a dilemma here: We had a guy in Mendenhall who was a consensus top tier RB (in this year's draft) vs. an OL who was pegged as a 2nd rounder.

Now, I don't know that Duane would be there for us in the 2nd round...so that's where it does get a little fuzzy on draft strategy. With the run that was being made on OL, it's possible Duane Brown wouldn't have fallen to us in the 2nd round had we had a 2nd round selection. And there's the rub: We didn't HAVE a 2nd round pick at all. That's the beauty of the draft, I guess: The "what ifs" seem to be a source of great angst among fans.

I think we had a more talented RB there for the taking vs. a 2nd tier OL who we drafted in Duane Brown. I'm betting there was an OL in the 3rd who might have been able to add some depth to the OL. Maybe? Just thinking out loud here.

I'd like to point out to everybody that I DO think GK/RS are definitely heading us in the right direction. But the QB and RB spots, to me, are the two positions that seem to be head scratchers thus far. Just glad that we are getting quality drafts from GK/RS. But would have preferred to see us go after a really athletic, talented RB. We went after Amobi last year because he was so young, so athletic, and obviously talented...and I think Mendehall fits that bill at RB. Shoulda' stayed put and pulled the trigger on a RB.

But that's me. It's just my line of thinking. It's an opinion that's mine and something I'm not parroting from someone else.

Having said that, GO TEXANS! Ready to see a game, that's for sure.
:texflag:

Specnatz
07-31-2008, 11:15 AM
[B]Glad you brought those two things up, because they are THE reason why I am not a Schaub fan at the moment.

Not having a 2nd round pick for two straight years has been brutal, and it's why I have a pretty low tolerance for Schaub this year.
:texflag:

I pretty much stopped reading right here. this is why there were so many flames on you when you talk about Schuab. It was not his doing or his fault regarding the draft picks so why hate him for it, that is just being hateful for no reason. So the guy fails in yor eyes before he toke a smap. Brilliant!

El Tejano
07-31-2008, 11:17 AM
I hate to bring this up but, Cedric is still an unsigned RB.

infantrycak
07-31-2008, 11:19 AM
With the run that was being made on OL, it's possible Duane Brown wouldn't have fallen to us in the 2nd round had we had a 2nd round selection.

It isn't just a possibility, it is a certainty Brown wouldn't have made it to the 2nd round. A San Diego Chargers guy stated they were going to take Brown with the next pick.

GP
07-31-2008, 11:23 AM
Consider this a flame if you want but where is the evidence for this? Presumably big name RB's means first two rounds of the draft since getting Slaton doesn't count. So...

2006
1st round--only Reggie Bush was considered worthy of the #1 pick and obviously the pre-draft debate around here about his every down worthiness has proven to be a legitimate concern.
2nd round--Demeco Ryans v. Lendale White. Does taking a player they had rated in the 1st round and were shocked fell to them mean they didn't value RB?

Actually this year provides the strongest evidence available and it is against your point since Kubiak attempted to trade back into the 1st round to get DeAngelo Williams.

2007
1st round--Okoye v. Lynch. The vast majority of pundits had both Okoye and Willis ranked as bpa over Lynch. Plus they had just signed high profile Ahman Green.
2nd round--no pick

2008
1st round--Duane Brown v. Matt Forte. Not sure Forte qualifies as a big name RB. In any event, at best you are looking at one big need against another big need. Can't see how picking one means you don't care about the other.

Not seeing the evidence for the supposition.

I think Mendenhall, at RB, equals what we did last year with Amobi.

DL, OL, and RB are probably our greatest need over the past two years. Well, we went with Amobi last year...seems to have helped shore up the line and might have been a huge help to Mario's success last season.

And I think Mendehall is basically the RB version of Amobi: Very athletic, high motor, ranked high.

That could have left us to go OL in the 3rd, knowing that we'd take a crack at a first round OL in next year's draft.

Yes, my points are all very hypothetical and very 20/20 hindsight. But I just feel strongly that we bypassed a pretty good RB in exchange for what many people are saying is/was a tier 2 OL...whom we drafted in the first round. And that's where the lack of 2nd round picks comes into the picture, for me at least. It's why I think QB and RB are dubiously linked to each other in my mind. Schaub, IMO, has handcuffed us for two straight drafts.

LOL. Next year, when we have a 2nd round pick, us fans are going to be like excited school kids on Christmas break. I'll probably pee in my pants.

Señor Stan
07-31-2008, 11:29 AM
I pretty much stopped reading right here. this is why there were so many flames on you when you talk about Schuab. It was not his doing or his fault regarding the draft picks so why hate him for it, that is just being hateful for no reason. So the guy fails in yor eyes before he toke a smap. Brilliant!

Sounds to me like someone just wanting to be right.

GP
07-31-2008, 11:30 AM
I pretty much stopped reading right here. this is why there were so many flames on you when you talk about Schuab. It was not his doing or his fault regarding the draft picks so why hate him for it, that is just being hateful for no reason. So the guy fails in yor eyes before he toke a smap. Brilliant!

Oh, come off it. I don't "hate" the guy. I just don't like the circumstances through which he arrived here.

If Schaub succeeds, I'm not going to be sad. It'll mean that we're winning games, and winning games is what counts. But Sage won us games, too, though those games seem to be marginalized by most fans...as if Sage was good little boy for watching the house while Daddy Matt was away.

And once again: Sage cost us nothing. Matt cost us two straight 2nd rounders.

So if I can't point that out and say that's why the QB maneuvering is a bit of a puzzle to me, when it seems GK and RS are getting it right on virtually all the other positions...then I don't know what to say. Time will tell, and I just hope we're winning games no matter what.

Señor Stan
07-31-2008, 11:36 AM
That could have left us to go OL in the 3rd, knowing that we'd take a crack at a first round OL in next year's draft.

Yes, my points are all very hypothetical and very 20/20 hindsight. But I just feel strongly that we bypassed a pretty good RB in exchange for what many people are saying is/was a tier 2 OL...whom we drafted in the first round. And that's where the lack of 2nd round picks comes into the picture, for me at least. It's why I think QB and RB are dubiously linked to each other in my mind. Schaub, IMO, has handcuffed us for two straight drafts.



IMO Brown + Slaton + Molden + Barber >>>> Mendenhall + "a 3rd round OT"



Plus trading Schaub was a net loss of one 2nd rounder because they would have used the 2007 pick on a QB. Or, worse yet, we could have stayed at #8 and drafted the "ball hawking" QB Brady Quinn and not gotten Okoye.

TexansSeminole
07-31-2008, 11:36 AM
Oh, please let's not get into it with GP again about the whole Sage vs Schaub deal. The only thing I would like to say, and the only thing really needs to be said about that, is watch Schaub this year.

About Mike Bell, I agree with Vinny that it is a sign that they aren't entirely happy about their group of RBs.

As Kubiak said, we need Chris Brown on the field. It looks like a situation where they just really need to get another RB out there on the practice field, and if Brown isn't going to be that guy they will try and find someone else who will. Brown is obviously not a special player, so he will get no special treatment. You've got to be active and hard working if you want to make this Texans roster as a backup. That's not something Chris Brown is doing right now.

Hervoyel
07-31-2008, 11:41 AM
.....(Sigh) This is the part where I get flamed. Fire away everybody.

martyr syndrome much?

I think you have good points and I draw similarities between this "administration" with RB's and the previous administrations take on the draft where Casserly always had to be the draft-genius "Riverboat Gambler" guy who was smarter than everyone else. It's like a kind of arrogance I guess.

The one thing I'd conceed is that in the first two years of Gary Kubiaks tenure here maybe he felt like he had bigger fish to fry or that a top tier running back would be somewhat wasted if he didn't fix other things first. He did try to draft DeAngelo Williams right behind Mario in 2006. He couldn't make the trade back up into the first round and we ended up with DeMeco so I'm glad that didn't work out but it's not like he didn't try to go get a top back. They passed on Reggie Bush (much to my distress then and relief now).

Maybe we'll see them address the RB situation in the next draft. I wouldn't be shocked if that happened. We've filled so many holes since the end of the 2005 season that maybe now it's time to put a stud RB with young, fresh legs behind it all. Let the linemen learn to block for some journeymen runners and then bring someone special in to take it to the next level.

76Texan
07-31-2008, 11:42 AM
Calvin Dawson is ULM's all time leading rusher and rushed for 100 yards or more against BCS schools Kansas, Kentucky, Alabama, Arkansas, Clemson, and Texas A&M.

gtexan02
07-31-2008, 11:45 AM
Lets not forget that sometimes nobodies turn out great.

DD was originally taken in the 4th round to be our 3rd down, pass catching guy, and eventually turned into a 1000+ yard rusher

Its not inconceivable to think that Taylor, Walker, or Slaton could have a similar surprise waiting for us

TexansSeminole
07-31-2008, 11:48 AM
Maybe we'll see them address the RB situation in the next draft. I wouldn't be shocked if that happened. We've filled so many holes since the end of the 2005 season that maybe now it's time to put a stud RB with young, fresh legs behind it all. Let the linemen learn to block for some journeymen runners and then bring someone special in to take it to the next level.

That's how I see it. I think they've got a few young guys with potential to be good backups here in the future, and they've brought in these vets (Green and Brown) to get production for the short term (last year + this year). I would be suprised if we do not take a RB in the first day of the draft next year, or atleast plan on it going in.

We had the opportunity this year in Mendenhall, but then you look at all the holes we would have had to fill with only 4 picks after that. Now we've got those holes filled as you said, and we may now have the luxury of taking a RB high in the draft and not worried about glaring holes in our roster. Looking back on it I think RS and co made the right decision.

Thorn
07-31-2008, 11:57 AM
The Texans had so many holes to fill the last couple of years, they couldn't possibly have filled them all. So far they've done what I would do, beef up the line on either side of the ball. I'm always for drafting good lineman.

I'm gonna take GPs side on Scuaub, he was a very expensive deal who hasn't proven himself yet. I certainly hope he does this year. I want him to become the QB most of the folks here think he can be. I DO NOT want to be in a position of I Told Ya So on Schaub, becuase that means the Texans are not where they need to be. If Schaub proves himself this year, then the deal was most certainly worth the two picks. But if not....well, I guess it's just something else we will argue over endlessly here.

76Texan
07-31-2008, 11:58 AM
Calvin Dawon 5-10, 207 lbs.

He rushed for an average of 141.7 yards against three SEC opponents. He recorded his first 100-yard game of 2006 at Alabama on a season-best 7.4 per carry, and then dominated Arkansas with a 128 yard performance and a 6.7 yards per carry average

07
Clemson 28-121 yd 4.32 ave., no catch
A&M 20-126yd 6.3 ave., 2 recpts-11 yd

06
Kansas 7-38 yd 5.43 ave., 3 recpts-37 yd
Bama 16-118 yd 7.38 ave., 2 recpts - 20 yd
Ark 19-128 yd 6.74 ave.
Kent 26-179 yd 6.88 ave., 2 recept - 18 yd

05
Georgia 11-43 yd 3.91 ave., 1 recpt- 6yd
Ark 10-57 yd 5.7 ave., 3 recpts -25 yd

Texecutioner
07-31-2008, 12:05 PM
I'm going to address this Mike Bell situation. Why are we going after him? The guy didn't show any flash at all in Denver? Is it because he's just another Denver player that Kubiak wants to add to our roster continuing his efforts to make us the Broncos 2.0?? I dunno, but I think their are better RB's to be talking to right now personally and I don't see how Mike Bell helps much.

If Kubiak wants to look at Denver RB's, then why aren't we trying to get at Hall? Hall seemed like a really good runner in that Denver offense last year when Selvin Young went down. He was very explosive, fast, and hit some HR plays as well in limited time. I think Hall could be better than any RB that we currently have right now, and with the Broncos depth chart at RB being so long, I think we could get him from Denver for a late pick like a 6th rounder. I would do it, because I think he could be better for the Texans this year than any other guy we have right now. No joke.

Malloy
07-31-2008, 12:08 PM
I hate to bring this up but, Cedric is still an unsigned RB.

I forget, did we ever take a look at him ?

The Pencil Neck
07-31-2008, 01:09 PM
Right now, we've got basically 4 guys (Green, Slaton, Walker, Taylor) taking reps at the RB position. That's too few. We need at least 5. Probably 6.

With Brown not practicing, we're just working our guys too hard. Remember that Kubes wants to work Green sparingly.

So we need some camp legs. This isn't a question of going out and making a trade for someone to improve our stable of RB's, it's a question of just bringing in some camp legs to keep us from working our main guys too much.

beerlover
07-31-2008, 01:19 PM
the Texans running game will be improved in 08 without Brown or Bell.

this whole search for another RB reflects Kubiacks unhappiness with Chris Brown not practicing, Ahman Greens injury history & general lack of quality/proven personel @ the RB position.

people around here better hope, including the powers that be within the Texans, that Rashard Mendenhall doesn't blow up in Pittsburgh like a :bomb:

we'll get a chance to find out soon enough, roughly 5 weeks- September 7th against the Steelers in Pittsburgh. How's that working for ya :cowboy1:

aj.
07-31-2008, 01:34 PM
Interesting extension to the Texans Running Backs thread from a week or so ago.

Errant Hothy
07-31-2008, 01:36 PM
Right now, we've got basically 4 guys (Green, Slaton, Walker, Taylor) taking reps at the RB position. That's too few. We need at least 5. Probably 6.

With Brown not practicing, we're just working our guys too hard. Remember that Kubes wants to work Green sparingly.

So we need some camp legs. This isn't a question of going out and making a trade for someone to improve our stable of RB's, it's a question of just bringing in some camp legs to keep us from working our main guys too much.

So who do you cut to bring in a set of camp legs? The Texans are already at the 80 player max.

The Pencil Neck
07-31-2008, 01:57 PM
So who do you cut to bring in a set of camp legs? The Texans are already at the 80 player max.

A wideout or a safety, I think. Maybe someone off the dline.

Right now we've got... what... 8-9 safeties and we're probably going to carry 4 into the season. Wideouts... same sort of thing.

At RB, we've got 5 and we're probably going to carry 4 into the season (in one configuration or another). We have excess at some positions but RB isn't one of them.

DiehardChris
07-31-2008, 02:01 PM
Ha! A safety! Brandon Harrison... I'm surprised he was the one to go. I thought he was going to make the team.

painekiller
07-31-2008, 02:46 PM
Ha! A safety! Brandon Harrison... I'm surprised he was the one to go. I thought he was going to make the team.

Yep, I missed that one coming.

Tejasman
07-31-2008, 03:27 PM
I think if the guys that do the 10 questions wants to talk to you I would pass.

I forget who it was last year but right after the 10 questions with ?? came out they got cut too.:thinking: