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Tailgate
07-28-2008, 08:06 PM
From Kuharsky's AFC South Blog:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcsouth



There are 21 coaches listed on the Texans roster, which gives the last place team in the 2007 AFC South the divisional lead:

Texans: 21
Colts: 17
Jaguars: 17
Titans: 17

It's an example of Houston's spare-no-expense operation under owner Bob McNair and shows as the determination of coach Gary Kubiak and GM Rick Smith to ensure the system they've installed stays healthy.

"We've got a lot of young coaches on our staff," Kubiak said. "Bob's been great to let us build a good young coaching staff. In this business, you've got to prepare to lose people. You've got to understand you've got to always be bringing young guys up and teaching them your system if you're going to be consistent over the long haul."

TexanSam
07-28-2008, 08:17 PM
Is there a limit on the number of coaches a team can have?

Ole Miss Texan
07-28-2008, 08:17 PM
This is different but I've been thinking it would be really really interesting to take a confidental/anonymous poll of all the Head Coaches and Coordinators from every team in the NFL. Have them rank every single team in different categories like: Owner you would want to work with, Overall team, the direction the team is heading, City location, etc.

It'd have to be anonymous, of course, because if it leaked out that Fisher ranked coaching for the Titans or for Adams very low... he might get the can sooner than later. But I'd find it really interesting how the coaches would rank the organizations, those that are highly regarded vs. those that aren't.

Tailgate
07-28-2008, 08:19 PM
Is there a limit on the number of coaches a team can have?

Good question... but I guess not.

gary
07-28-2008, 09:22 PM
Is there a limit on the number of coaches a team can have?I do not think that there is.

Ole Miss Texan
07-28-2008, 09:58 PM
Is there a limit on the number of coaches a team can have?

I'm pretty sure there is a limit on the number of scouts you can have, but there is no limit on the number of coaches a team may have.

gary
07-28-2008, 10:11 PM
I didn't think so.

NBT
07-28-2008, 10:18 PM
I thought we had 23 coaches including Kubiak! If we get the best coaching in the league, who cares how many there are.

gary
07-28-2008, 10:21 PM
Agree.

Tailgate
07-28-2008, 10:55 PM
I thought we had 23 coaches including Kubiak! If we get the best coaching in the league, who cares how many there are.

I think its great. Our old timers Alex Gibbs and Ray Rhodes are most likely short timers... so why not have our guys waiting in the wings sopping up as much as they can while they can? Thats Coach thinking about the future...

Eight Gov
07-29-2008, 04:29 AM
Wow is there a link to where you can find how many coaches every team has?

barrett
07-29-2008, 07:04 AM
i remember in the Gibbs 2.0 era in Washington that they had some rediculous number of coaches. it didn't help. but i don't think that they are an organization with the same long term philosophy that the Texans have. I'd be curious to see how many the colts have. I believe that we share a similar philosophy of expecting good coaches to move on and up and protecting the educational momentum by hiring more young coaches that we can mentor and feed with the type of info we want them to coach with and when their elders promote up on other teams that have key positions available we'll have a younger guy who is teaching the exact same system that the guy above him was. so you can have a revolving door of coaches and still keep consistent teaching so you don't have "rebuilding years" with coach turnover and the new coaches want a different type of player so the organization has to replace all the players and that can take years to develop. by the time you've turned over all your players the coaches are on their way out because of a slow turnaround!

one of the greatest things about this organization is that it preaches the "stay the course" philosophy and although it's maybe not as sensational as some other systems, it will prove to have longevity and as a fan i'm much more interested in that.

BattleRedToro
07-29-2008, 07:20 AM
This is different but I've been thinking it would be really really interesting to take a confidental/anonymous poll of all the Head Coaches and Coordinators from every team in the NFL. Have them rank every single team in different categories like: Owner you would want to work with, Overall team, the direction the team is heading, City location, etc.

It'd have to be anonymous, of course, because if it leaked out that Fisher ranked coaching for the Titans or for Adams very low... he might get the can sooner than later. But I'd find it really interesting how the coaches would rank the organizations, those that are highly regarded vs. those that aren't.

I disagree that it would have to be confidential for Jeff Fisher's sake. If Bud Adams is ever stupid enough to fire Fisher, then he will get what he deserves. The Titans would go to the bottom of the division, and meanwhile Jeff Fisher would only be out of a job as long as he wanted. Fisher would have immediate job offers.

Thorn
07-29-2008, 08:53 AM
I disagree that it would have to be confidential for Jeff Fisher's sake. If Bud Adams is ever stupid enough to fire Fisher, then he will get what he deserves. The Titans would go to the bottom of the division, and meanwhile Jeff Fisher would only be out of a job as long as he wanted. Fisher would have immediate job offers.

Whether you like the Titans or not, and I certainly don't, I think one has to agree that Fisher is one of the better NFL head coachs. Not as good as Kubiak, of course. :splits:

Ole Miss Texan
07-29-2008, 10:57 AM
I disagree that it would have to be confidential for Jeff Fisher's sake. If Bud Adams is ever stupid enough to fire Fisher, then he will get what he deserves. The Titans would go to the bottom of the division, and meanwhile Jeff Fisher would only be out of a job as long as he wanted. Fisher would have immediate job offers.

Whether you like the Titans or not, and I certainly don't, I think one has to agree that Fisher is one of the better NFL head coachs. Not as good as Kubiak, of course. :splits:

Definitely agree with both of you, but I was just using that as an example. If I were a coach, I'd be very careful in what I say if there was the slightest chance the public or my organization would find out that I valued 20 or so other organizations better. Maybe Rod Marinelli would be a better example with the Lions. If the lions org. found out he or their defensive coordinator thought the team sucked and ranked them at like #30 or something, it would look bad for them.

However, I'd find it interesting to see how these Coaches feel about other organizations. I'd be willing to bet the Texans would be ranked very high, maybe that's homerism speaking- but it'd be kinda cool to read. What owners are really respected consistently, what teams coaches consistently feel are up and comers. Like hearing that Gibbs and Rhodes were the ones that called Kubiak and not the other way around, that hit me hard that we're a team these people want to go to now.

TexanBacker93
07-29-2008, 11:38 AM
I seem to recall during the most recent collective bargaining discussions some of the smaller market owners (most likely Ralph Wilson since he's pretty vocal) wanting a limit on coaches and salaries to coaches. The larger market teams like the Redskins could afford to overpay and definitely had too many coaches for their own good. I like what the Texans are doing. They have a good mix of young and old. One guy leaves (Sherman) and a young pup steps into the role (Shany II). I don't get the feeling that we are just out to accumulate the most coaches like Snyder was doing. Like Barrett said, it's a different philosophy. Let's see the results on the field now.

Specnatz
07-29-2008, 11:51 AM
Coach Name Title

Kubiak, Gary Head Coach (15th NFL season, 3rd w/ Texans) Aug 15, 1961
Gibbs, Alex Assistant head coach/offense (24th NFL season, 1st w/ Texans)
Shanahan, Kyle Offensive Coordinator/QBs (5th NFL season, 3rd w/ Texans) Dec 14, 1979
Benton, John Offensive Line Coach (5th NFL season, 3nd w/ Texans)
Harris, Chick Running Backs Coach (28th NFL season, 7th w/ Texans)
Kirksey, Larry Wide Receivers Coach (12th NFL season, 2nd w/ Texans)
Pariani, Brian Tight Ends Coach (18th NFL season, 3rd w/ Texans)
Pollack, Frank Assist. Offensive Line Coach 2nd NFL season, 2nd w/ Texans)
McDaniel, Mike Offensive Assistant (3rd NFL season, 3rd w/ Texans)
LaFleur, Matt Offensive Assistant (1st NFL season, 1st w/ Texans)

Smith, Richard Defensive Coordinator (21st NFL season, 3rd w/ Texans)
Bush, Frank Senior Defensive Assistant (18th NFL season, 2nd w/ Texans)
Franklin, Jethro Defensive Line Coach (8th NFL season, 2nd w/ Texans) Oct 25, 1960
Hoke, Jon Defensive Backs Coach (7th NFL season, 7th w/ Texans)
Holland, Johnny Linebackers Coach (14th NFL season, 3rd w/ Texans) March 11, 1965
Rhodes, Ray Assistant Defensive Backs Coach (28th in NFL, 1st w/ Texans) Oct 20, 1950
Saleh, Robert Defensive Assistant (4th NFL season, 4th w/ Texans)
Carter, Perry Defensive Assistant (3rd NFL season, 3rd w/ Texans) Aug 5, 1971

Marciano, Joe Special Teams Coordinator (23rd NFL season, 7th w/Texans)
Karmelowicz, Bob Special Assist. to Head Coach (16th NFL season, 2nd w/ Texans)
Hightower, Richard Special Teams Assistant (3rd NFL season, 3rd w/ Texans)

Riley, Dan Strength and Conditioning Coach (27th NFL season, 8th w/ Texans)
Wright, Ray Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach (8th NFL season, 7th w/ Texans)
Campbell, Virgil Strength & Conditioning Assistant
Coleman, Everett Strength & Conditioning Assistant


I do not have the ages of the coaches yet I will try and find that.

TexansSeminole
07-29-2008, 12:37 PM
"We've got a lot of young coaches on our staff," Kubiak said. "Bob's been great to let us build a good young coaching staff. In this business, you've got to prepare to lose people. You've got to understand you've got to always be bringing young guys up and teaching them your system if you're going to be consistent over the long haul."

As more and more time passes, my belief that Kubiak was ready to be a head coach in the NFL strengthens.

barrett
07-29-2008, 03:19 PM
it's one of those things that i kind of worry about, let's say that Richard Smith's defense doesn't show enough improvement and they decide to fire him, I'd really hate to see a new system installed. I would hate to have all this down time while the defense has to be reconfigured. (god forbid if we switched to a 3-4 and have to rearrange the personnel again.) I'd like to think that all the coaches on staff share somewhat similar philosophies, otherwise why would they be working in this system? it seems like it would make more sense to tweak the current system than to install a new one. I'm hoping that's the philosophy. lets say John Benton gets hired out from under us after Gibbs retires, I'd hope that one of the offensive assistants would promote to continue teaching the same system rather than someone new coming in with a different philosophy.

Specnatz
07-29-2008, 03:30 PM
it's one of those things that i kind of worry about, let's say that Richard Smith's defense doesn't show enough improvement and they decide to fire him, I'd really hate to see a new system installed. I would hate to have all this down time while the defense has to be reconfigured. (god forbid if we switched to a 3-4 and have to rearrange the personnel again.) I'd like to think that all the coaches on staff share somewhat similar philosophies, otherwise why would they be working in this system? it seems like it would make more sense to tweak the current system than to install a new one. I'm hoping that's the philosophy. lets say John Benton gets hired out from under us after Gibbs retires, I'd hope that one of the offensive assistants would promote to continue teaching the same system rather than someone new coming in with a different philosophy.

That is why Iwas trying to find the ages of the coaches.

Ole Miss Texan
07-29-2008, 03:31 PM
it's one of those things that i kind of worry about, let's say that Richard Smith's defense doesn't show enough improvement and they decide to fire him, I'd really hate to see a new system installed. I would hate to have all this down time while the defense has to be reconfigured. (god forbid if we switched to a 3-4 and have to rearrange the personnel again.) I'd like to think that all the coaches on staff share somewhat similar philosophies, otherwise why would they be working in this system? it seems like it would make more sense to tweak the current system than to install a new one. I'm hoping that's the philosophy. lets say John Benton gets hired out from under us after Gibbs retires, I'd hope that one of the offensive assistants would promote to continue teaching the same system rather than someone new coming in with a different philosophy.

I think that Smith (GM) has been getting players that fit our team to a t (or whatever the phrase is). From Mario, Amobi, Okam, etc. Their building and identity on both Offense and Defense and looking for certain players. There is no way we're switching offensive schemes when Gibbs retires (again).

I can't see us switching out of the 4-3 either. Their getting the players (incredible players) to fit that system and would find somebody to come in and tweak it if they were to get rid of Smith (the Coordinator). No way will they make the players we're getting play out of position... they'll find coaches to fit our philosophy.

Seor Stan
07-29-2008, 03:33 PM
I think its great. Our old timers Alex Gibbs and Ray Rhodes are most likely short timers... so why not have our guys waiting in the wings sopping up as much as they can while they can? Thats Coach thinking about the future...

It sounds to me like Gibbs isn't planning to retire anytime soon!

Justice on Gibbs (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5912429.html)


His most recent attempt was after the 2006 season when the Atlanta Falcons got rid of Jim Mora, whod lured him out of retirement.

Gibbs decided hed had enough. He saw Broadway shows and visited the Smithsonian. He walked the streets of London and saw the beaches of Hawaii.

I still missed it, he told the Rocky Mountain News. I just felt at the end of the day, What did I do today? I promised my wife I would try, and I tried. There is no way I could do that.

Ole Miss Texan
07-29-2008, 04:40 PM
It sounds to me like Gibbs isn't planning to retire anytime soon!

Justice on Gibbs (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5912429.html)

I bet he retires when he's got 2 superbowl rings w/ the Texans (SB 43 & 44 :))

TexanBacker93
07-30-2008, 08:25 AM
it's one of those things that i kind of worry about, let's say that Richard Smith's defense doesn't show enough improvement and they decide to fire him, I'd really hate to see a new system installed. I would hate to have all this down time while the defense has to be reconfigured. (god forbid if we switched to a 3-4 and have to rearrange the personnel again.) I'd like to think that all the coaches on staff share somewhat similar philosophies, otherwise why would they be working in this system? it seems like it would make more sense to tweak the current system than to install a new one. I'm hoping that's the philosophy. lets say John Benton gets hired out from under us after Gibbs retires, I'd hope that one of the offensive assistants would promote to continue teaching the same system rather than someone new coming in with a different philosophy.

I think Kubes will continue to bring in coaches that fit his philosophy. Sherman didn't fit it and there were possibly mixed messages to the line and the running game because of it. I think he was able to learn a lot from working with him, though. Kubiak prefers the 4-3 so if Smith were to leave us I feel confident that he would only look at coaches that would run that as a base.

barrett
07-30-2008, 05:23 PM
I'd hope that the hiring (assuming Rick were fired) would come from within. I guess that's what I'm really getting at. I'd like to think that our hires will be at the bottom. That we are promoting from within the current system and that new coaches are young coaches that are brought in taught what to teach and gradually promoted to keep it going.

So, theoretically, lets say Rick gets fired, Rhodes doesn't want to take on that much of a role because of his health. Some think Bush was our first choice to run the Defense when Kubiak came on anyway, So he get's promoted and the same basic philosophy continues. The same player types etc. (This is again, under the guise that Bush wouldn't be here if he didn't agree with Rick's system in the first place. Otherwise it'd be like an environmentalist taking a job as a senior assistant at a clear cutting company... unless Bush is planning to sabotage!!!!) I digress...

So Bush is the D. Cord. now and maybe Franklin, Hoke, or Holland move up to some sort of Senior assistant role and their jobs are replaced from within by a young guy who's been groomed from the beginning as a lower level assistant and so on...

Thats my dream system. Oh, except that nobody gets fired because they're doing a great job and we're winning Super Bowls and the only people we loose are to HC jobs all over the league. No! Wait! Nobody gets hired away, everyone stays here and then retires so the secret never gets out! Yeah, that's it.... That's the ticket.