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Texans_Chick
07-27-2008, 07:26 PM
Here's what I wrote at the I'm a Texan Club blogs about this (http://imatexan.com/profiles/Texans_Chick/profile_blogs.asp?post_id=175). (all the links in the original but not in this post).

In The Redskins Blog, Peter King makes this observation about Texans fans:

"The fans of the Houston Texans are not passionate. The fans of the Arizona Cardinals are not passionate. I mean, I came out here this morning, and all you see are people who are just NUTTY about the Redskins. They're out of their minds. They're crazy."

Lemme see. The Texans have sold out all their games since their existence, sell more season tickets than the Cowboys and already have some of the best tailgating in the league despite existing less than a decade. King is ill-served picking a fight with a fanbase who derives part of its passion from having football stolen from then and then restored by a miracle.

He wants to hear crazy from Texans? Not sure that is advisable but... come and take it. You don't mess with Texas, and you shouldn't mess with Texans fans.

Given what I know about the passion of Texan fans, he is speaking from ignorance. Ignorance of the facts, of course, is non-surprising from the typical national NFL columnist who has likely not bother to spend a Starbucks-sipping amount of time finding out anything of substance about our team.

If you read his quote in context, I believe he confuses passion for your team with being ill-mannered. In my opinion, Houston is the friendliest large city in America, but we are a prideful bunch, and we don't take insults lightly.

If he believes that expressing personal attacks vulgarities is important to demonstrate passion when responding to the typical stupid superficial things that national writers say about the Texans, I suppose people could do that. Personally, it is not my style.

But people show their passion for their team in different ways. I ask you please to email Peter King (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/07/27/favre.camp.deadline/index.html) and tell him what you think about his opinion in whatever way you feel comfortable. Show him pictures of your Texans stuff, your tattoos, tell him stories, invite him to your tailgates, give him a piece of your mind--show your passion. Please do it now, before you forget about it.

Here's the url of the link where he was quoted that you can reference his quote in your email: http://theredskinsblog.com/2008/07/25/at-the-park-today-talking-to-peter-king/#more-233. Let me know if you hear back from him.

Spread the word. You don't have to write much to him. Just let him know what you think. Hell, I think we should just sic SheTexan on him and call it a day. :spit:

gary
07-27-2008, 07:36 PM
Go Get Em She!!!!!!!

Brando
07-27-2008, 07:44 PM
"The fans of the Houston Texans are not passionate." - Peter King

You say Texans fans are not passionate? We have sold out all our games since we started to play in 2002. Why don't you visit Texans TC one day before you say we are not passionate about our team?!? You should also come out to a tailgate before the Monday Night Football game against Jax or any other game and see for yourself. Texans Pride!


That's what I emailed to him, I'll let you know if he responds.

gary
07-27-2008, 07:47 PM
Great e-mail.

Texans_Chick
07-27-2008, 08:01 PM
That's what I emailed to him, I'll let you know if he responds.

Nice. Actually, I would like to read what others write him. Gary can give him the business like no other I bet. And tell him what Texans fans are all about.

I can't give you much but I will give everyone in this thread a rep who sends an email to King to tell him how it really is and either says what they said in general or cut and pastes it here.

If you look in the eyes of Texans fans who talk about how they became a fan, you can't tell me that Texans fans don't have passion about their team.

Spread the word. Let's get him a bunch of emails on the subject.

SheTexan
07-27-2008, 08:02 PM
Here's what I wrote at the I'm a Texan Club blogs about this (http://imatexan.com/profiles/Texans_Chick/profile_blogs.asp?post_id=175). (all the links in the original but not in this post).



Spread the word. You don't have to write much to him. Just let him know what you think. Hell, I think we should just sic SheTexan on him and call it a day. :spit:


Yep, he just messed with big GRANDMA!!! That boy needs a keyboard lashing, and I'm just in the mood to do it!!:shetexan: NOT safe to mess with my TEXAN friends!!!:bat:

gary
07-27-2008, 08:11 PM
I'm on my way to give him a piece of my mind. I'll use some of the New York from my mom. That will get him.

DiapHer
07-27-2008, 08:14 PM
Look out there is a new hurricane hitting the gulf called "SheTexan" :shetexan:

Texecutioner
07-27-2008, 08:20 PM
I'm on my way to give him a piece of my mind. I'll use some of the New York from my mom. That will get him.

I just knew your mom had to have been from NY, when I spoke with her on the phone. :thumbup

Joe Texan
07-27-2008, 09:12 PM
This is no Question, it is a statement. I do not know where you get your knowledge but I can Guess, right up there with all the other criminals in Wasington. Who are you to tout your self as All knowing and saying that the Texan Fans are not passionate. I bleed battle red and challenge you to come to Houston any day of the week and I will produce for you as many passionate Texan fans as you desire, I need not even look at another article written by you as I know it is a Lie untill you can muster up enough manliness to step into the ring with Texan Fans. Man up or take your purse and leave the scene.


He did get a little under my collar

Texans_Chick
07-27-2008, 10:34 PM
Mine:

Dear Mr. King,
I saw over at the Redskins blog (http://theredskinsblog.com/2008/07/25/at-the-park-today-talking-to-peter-king/#more-233) you made the blanket statement, "The fans of the Houston Texans are not passionate." I believe you think that because we don't slam you on a regular basis at the Mailbag.

You don't get much response from us because you rarely write anything about the Texans that is worth even an email. The MMQB is dead to us because you obviously know so little about our team and our fanbase. We are used to national NFL "experts" saying stupid, superficial, inaccurate, not-worth-commenting on stuff about our team.

But if you want us to hate your guts, well then, make ignorant generalized statements about how Texans fans have no passion. Generally, I prefer to demonstrate my passion by rooting at games, but if want me to prove how passionate I am about my team by hating your guts, I guess I could do that though it is not typically my style. (Please insert here as many personal attacks, vulgarities and whatnot as you require to prove my passion for my football team).

If you actually care to interrupt your Starbucks drinking long enough to know about Texans fans, and how much we care about our team, come visit us at a tailgate. (Our tailgating is known as being among the best in the league even though we've been around less than a decade).

I volunteer to take you around personally to meet some of the most dedicated fans in the NFL.

I'm sure you will be too busy covering teams you actually care something about. I'm okay with that because that this means you won't have the opportunity to say something stupid, superficial, inaccurate, not-worth-commenting on about the Texans. Just, please shut the bleep up about stuff you don't know anything about, like the passion Texans fans have for their team.

Have a lovely evening (or a really awful one, if saying such thing is required to be a dedicated fan of my team).

more more more emails...... :texans chick:

Brando
07-27-2008, 10:39 PM
Mine:



more more more emails...... :texans chick:






:fans: Well done TC! I must spread rep before.....yada yada.

I'll rep you when I can.:texflag:

I too, will give rep out to those who email PK and post it here.

Buffi2
07-27-2008, 10:40 PM
Dear Mr. King,
I do believe an alien must have momentarily sucked your brain out of your head when you stated that Texan Fans have no passion.

You ever been to a pre game tail gate? You ever been inside the stadium and just looked around at the fans in their "fan attire?" You ever sit down and talk to one fan up close and personal?

As a Texan fan, I fly pretty much under the radar - yet - I have a complete Texan bathroom from shower curtain to soap dispenser, a Texan room with autographed helmets, caps, footballs. I have a Texan scrap book for every season since the beginning that I keep all year round - from the off season to the draft to training camp to the regular season. Right now, I have 3 Texan items in my front yard and my truck is a testament to Texan football.

I go to at least 2 and usually more away games. I have more hats and jerseys than I have "regular" clothes. I attend every home game and tail gate without fail. I am pretty well versed in football plays and players and can hold my own in most football conversations. And I'm pretty mild compared to many of the fans I know.
Since I do go to away games regularly, I can say that I am proud of the Texan fans who rarely exhibit the boorish behavior of other fans from around the league. Calling people/referees/opposing teams names isn't passion, it is rude.

Shame on you, Mr. King. You owe the devoted, passionate and absolutely wonderful Texan fans an apology for that little lack of passion comment.

And if you are ever down this way, please stop by my tail gate. This old lady will personally show you Texan Passion.

I just might have gotten a little carried away here. The more I wrote, the more Mr. King got on my last old person nerve.
:texflag:

JWarren14
07-27-2008, 10:50 PM
Whats this dude's email? I would love to give him the run down of what a Raging Bull Tailgate is all about...

Buffi2
07-27-2008, 10:55 PM
TC has a link in the first post in this thread.

pittbull3
07-27-2008, 11:11 PM
I understand what Peter King is saying to a certain extent. To me, the Houston fans are passionate about being at the games, supporting a winning team, and lets not forget what seems to be the most important, tailgating and drinking beer. But, from a stadium atmosphere of passion, if your not in the Bull Pen or remote parts of the stadium where the TRUE passionate fans are, it can be rather boring. Going to some of the staple franchises, Green Bay, Philly, Pittsburgh, NY, Oakland, it's completely a zoo. Your lucky to walk into a game and not be harrassed. Don't get me wrong, those stadiums have good people, but they truly believe in home field advantage, and treat the seating areas as their domain, within the confines of it being their team. At Reliant, Its good ol' Texas hospitality. It's more of a friendly event, rather than an intense defending of territory, at sports most fan needed sport.
But money is changing the game in the stands too! As backwards as it is, that's just the way it is. The money affect is happening all over the league, as I have seen this atmosphere change due to the economic environment. The "corporate fan", has taken control of the seating, rather than the hard working blue collar guy and gal over the years, in various stadiums and towns. PSL's and luxury boxes have changed the ownership approach, and limited tickets for passionate fans to single game seats, rather than season ticket packages that maintain fan continuity. For example, The Astrodome was just as intense as Pittsburgh, Oakland, or Philly, due to the hardworking guy, being able to afford the games. The blue-collar guys historically lived vicariously through their local team, and treated the stands as their playing field for 60 minutes, while the white collar guy was too important to make an appearance with "lower incomed fans" But as the financial climate changed, and the Oilers vacated, leaving the city without NFL football for years, it has to re-establish the passion that was lost, while doing so at "white-collar" corporate prices and demands. I can't tell you how many times I had different fans sitting around me at Reliant, never getting a chance to know them. Most times, they were corporation seats, with guys that came never wearing Texans gear or cheering. There used to be a time, like cheers, where "everyone knows your name" and the fan was your extended family. Face it, some of those fans are now with Tennessee or even with the hated Cowgirls!
Maybe when we start dominating, the fans will become more intense. The Cleveland Browns went through the same situation, but now you see a change in the atmosphere of their fan base. Winning breeds a ferocious fan environment!!! But until then winning becomes part of the Houston Texans culture, I think Peter is right. :thinking:

Texans_Chick
07-27-2008, 11:19 PM
I just might have gotten a little carried away here. The more I wrote, the more Mr. King got on my last old person nerve.
:texflag:


This is what I'm talking about. Keep em coming. Here's a genius one by Keith at InTheBullseye.com (http://www.inthebullseye.com/archive/2008/20080727.html). (formerly of HPF--so if you haven't found him yet, go check him out). Go read the original that has all the links in it because it is funnier.

I Think I Think Peter King Hates Us
by Keith Weiland


Really, Peter King? Texans fans are not passionate about their team? Really.

Texans fans hail from the great football state of Texas. No, we don’t care much for girls field hockey and lattes here. We care for Friday Night Lights and the church of pigskin. We worship at the temple of football, and our temple is named Reliant Stadium.

We’ve kept the faith, jamming the pews game after game, even after five years of Mr. Mittens under center. Carolina couldn’t hang with us on that one, Peter King.

Don’t mistake the ineffectiveness of an expansion team with your perceived apathy of a informed, sophisticated fan base. Houston fans haven’t had a playoff team in fifteen years, yet there will be more than 70,000 fanatics in attendance at our home opener thinking this is finally the year.

Out of our minds? Nope. It will be our year.

In fact, Texans fans deserve bonus points for going at this with such passion a second time around. We were once jilted by the NFL, Peter King, and we still get no respect from national media blowhards for standing up to an over-zealous owner wearing a possum on his head. Yet here we are again, at the altar of professional football, praying on Sundays, keeping the faith. Now that’s “NUTTY”. Just ask Los Angeles. And what’s more, that’s better than just passion, that’s resilience fueled by passion.

I’m a Texan, Peter King, and you’re not, so don’t knock what you don’t understand. Texans fans have suffered like no other NFL fan before them, and we’re still here, as indestructible as ever. What doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger, and the great fans of the Houston Texans are as strong as they come.

Exactly!!!

EXACTLY!!!!!

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!

I raise a cold beverage in the direction of this post. :texflag:

Hardcore Texan
07-27-2008, 11:21 PM
I'll write mine tomorrow, I gotta get to bed right now, but I will sleep on it and should be good and fired up by mornin'.

Texans_Chick
07-27-2008, 11:23 PM
I understand what Peter King is saying to a certain extent. To me, the Houston fans are passionate about being at the games, supporting a winning team, and lets not forget what seems to be the most important, tailgating and drinking beer. But, from a stadium atmosphere of passion, if your not in the Bull Pen or remote parts of the stadium where the TRUE passionate fans are, it can be rather boring. Going to some of the staple franchises, Green Bay, Philly, Pittsburgh, NY, Oakland, it's completely a zoo. Your lucky to walk into a game and not be harrassed. Don't get me wrong, those stadiums have good people, but they truly believe in home field advantage, and treat the seating areas as their domain, within the confines of it being their team. At Reliant, Its good ol' Texas hospitality. It's more of a friendly event, rather than an intense defending of territory, at sports most fan needed sport.
But money is changing the game in the stands too! As backwards as it is, that's just the way it is. The money affect is happening all over the league, as I have seen this atmosphere change due to the economic environment. The "corporate fan", has taken control of the seating, rather than the hard working blue collar guy and gal over the years, in various stadiums and towns. PSL's and luxury boxes have changed the ownership approach, and limited tickets for passionate fans to single game seats, rather than season ticket packages that maintain fan continuity. For example, The Astrodome was just as intense as Pittsburgh, Oakland, or Philly, due to the hardworking guy, being able to afford the games. The blue-collar guys historically lived vicariously through their local team, and treated the stands as their playing field for 60 minutes, while the white collar guy was too important to make an appearance with "lower incomed fans" But as the financial climate changed, and the Oilers vacated, leaving the city without NFL football for years, it has to re-establish the passion that was lost, while doing so at "white-collar" corporate prices and demands. I can't tell you how many times I had different fans sitting around me at Reliant, never getting a chance to know them. Most times, they were corporation seats, with guys that came never wearing Texans gear or cheering. There used to be a time, like cheers, where "everyone knows your name" and the fan was your extended family. Face it, some of those fans are now with Tennessee or even with the hated Cowgirls!
Maybe when we start dominating, the fans will become more intense. The Cleveland Browns went through the same situation, but now you see a change in the atmosphere of their fan base. Winning breeds a ferocious fan environment!!! But until then winning becomes part of the Houston Texans culture, I think Peter is right. :thinking:

I don't think you need to be an a-hole to prove that you are passionate about your team. Some of the biggest NFL fans in the league have friendly fanbases.

He is not right. He made a generalized statement about our entire fanbase saying that Houston Texans fans are not passionate. Because we don't call him names in his Mailbag because he never writes anything worth commenting on.

The Texans have culled the herd. The people who are Texans fans are fans of the team because they want to be. They aren't fans of just one player or fairweather fans because we haven't had much clear skies. They are fans because they love the game and they love their team.

pittbull3
07-27-2008, 11:30 PM
I don't think you need to be an a-hole to prove that you are passionate about your team. Some of the biggest NFL fans in the league have friendly fanbases.

He is not right. He made a generalized statement about our entire fanbase saying that Houston Texans fans are not passionate. Because we don't call him names in his Mailbag because he never writes anything worth commenting on.

The Texans have culled the herd. The people who are Texans fans are fans of the team because they want to be. They aren't fans of just one player or fairweather fans because we haven't had much clear skies. They are fans because they love the game and they love their team.


I agree. You don't have to be an a-hole. But, it is widely accepted and perceived that you should, in order to be a good fan. I have personally seen a difference though in passion, and every visiting fan says the same thing. Fun event to be at, but really not the greatest fan base with passion yet. I have friends that have come from Pittsburgh, KC, Indy, Oakland, NYC, Philly, and Tampa, all saying the same thing. Also, being from PGH, I have seen the difference too. But I will tell you this, no matter what, I support my team, as I have since the beginning, and that's all that matters to me. :kingkong:

The Pencil Neck
07-27-2008, 11:32 PM
Here's mine:

Who the hell are you to question the passion that the fans of Houston have for their team? Like most Texans fans, I bleed battle red, liberty white, and steel blue. And if you don't hear me cheering, it's because you're not listening.

I love my team. I love my team more than most fans because most fans haven't had their childhood team torn from them and had to do without for several years. (Browns and Ravens fans know where I'm coming from.)

I've got a picture of myself competing in a powerlifting meet in 2000 wearing a Texans t-shirt. Before the Texans played game 1. My mom gave me that t-shirt. She's as big a fan as I am. And if I told her about your comment about our passion for our team, she'd find out where you are and she'd go there and kick your ass. So I won't tell her. For your sake. (She's in Sacramento now and has to spend her time kicking Raider-Fans butts so don't think yours is going to be all that. Lady's got skillz.)

I haven't been able to live in Houston for years and I bought DirecTV and Sunday Ticket just so I could watch my team play. I haunt the boards for information about which players are looking good in training camp and I rarely read any of your stuff because you rarely mention anything about the Texans. I agonize over things like whether David Anderson or LeRon McCoy is going to be our fifth receiver. I agonize over whether Kasey Studdard is too big and slow to play in Gibbs' system and whether Brandon Frye will be able to adapt to playing guard in it. And every guy we cut to get down to 53 is a guy I had hopes would make an impact on our team and it hurts to see him go. (I really hope that Charles Spencer does well in Carolina and that Danny Clark does well with the Giants.) While you're one of those reporters that can't even get the names of our players straight most of the time.

You're one of those guys that were so surprised when the Texans didn't pick Bush or Young and castigated us for a year and a half saying we'd made the worst pick ever until Mario started to shut you up. And no one needs to hear that kind of crap about themselves but you guys just know better than anyone else in the universe. And, no, I wasn't one of those Texans fans that you were reporting about and saying that had lost faith in the Texans over that. I was one of the people you weren't reporting about that loved the Mario pick from day one (after I got over my initial let-down that we hadn't picked up Ferguson). And all I ever heard from reporters like you was how upset I was that I didn't get The Next Gale Sayers? Well stop putting your words into my mouth and start trying to actually report what people really think and feel instead of making wild assumptions.

You'd be much better served just going back to not talking about the Texans at all because you're just going to open your mouth and say something stupid. Because when it comes to the Texans, you have no clue. Actually, you may never have any clue but like I said, I don't read you enough to know.

pittbull3
07-27-2008, 11:44 PM
No doubt about it, Brandon Frye will make the adjustment. They are looking at him, due to his ability to play both back-up Tackle and Guard. Most guys they have on the roster can only play 1 position.

Specnatz
07-28-2008, 12:01 AM
Peter King,

In a recent blog regarding the Redskins you thought it was neccessary to take a pot shot at the Houston Texans Fans by claiming that they are not passionate. My question to you is; how in the world would you even know? Have you ever been to a game, a pregame tailgate, or talked to any fans of the team? Most likely you have failed to do any of these. Now while I live in Austin and I am not able to attend as many games as I would like it does not makes me any less of a passionate fan. Just because we do not send you hate mail does not mean we do not care. I always thought there was supposed to be integrity in journalism, but in this day and age of blogs you do not have to have facts to back up anything and you can print what ever you want regardless if it is the truth. I would say I lost respect for you but after the Mario Williams crap yall printed I do not have any for your writings.

Thomas

This is what I had to say. :texflag:

TexanSam
07-28-2008, 12:06 AM
I still like Peter King and his MMQB even after this statement

:hides:

But I will write him an email voicing my disapproval. Hopefully Cardinals fans do the same

Texans_Chick
07-28-2008, 12:08 AM
I agree. You don't have to be an a-hole. But, it is widely accepted and perceived that you should, in order to be a good fan. I have personally seen a difference though in passion, and every visiting fan says the same thing. Fun event to be at, but really not the greatest fan base with passion yet. I have friends that have come from Pittsburgh, KC, Indy, Oakland, NYC, Philly, and Tampa, all saying the same thing. Also, being from PGH, I have seen the difference too. But I will tell you this, no matter what, I support my team, as I have since the beginning, and that's all that matters to me. :kingkong:

I know what you are saying, but I thought his shot was overly generalized and gratuitous. But heck, our franchise still hasn't had a over .500 season yet we aren't the ones that have to put tarps over our stadium (JAX). Or have a brand new stadium that we are struggling to sell seats to (PHX).

As a Texan fan, you can't whip out the redazz everytime someone takes a shot at your team because that is all you would do. But every once in a while, when someone says something gratutious, unnecessary and overly generalized, you need to give them the business some. Or else they feel like they can always get away with it because they don't respect you.

Texans_Chick
07-28-2008, 12:15 AM
I still like Peter King and his MMQB even after this statement

:hides:

But I will write him an email voicing my disapproval. Hopefully Cardinals fans do the same


Wouldn't you like his column better if you had the sense that he paid attention at all to anything Texans and had anything intelligent to say about them? Look at the SI.com Training Camp tour schedule:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/07/21/postcards/index.html

They have some random generalist reporter from SI writing about our team. Basically, some dude you have never heard of. Because we are an afterthought to them.

We ignore national writing about the Texans because it is garbage. They ignore us because the team has only got interesting to watch the last couple of years.

Once in a while, we just need to give them the business, and clearly that's what King wants by saying that he measures passion by hate mail.

Speedy
07-28-2008, 12:22 AM
I agree. You don't have to be an a-hole. But, it is widely accepted and perceived that you should, in order to be a good fan. I have personally seen a difference though in passion, and every visiting fan says the same thing. Fun event to be at, but really not the greatest fan base with passion yet. I have friends that have come from Pittsburgh, KC, Indy, Oakland, NYC, Philly, and Tampa, all saying the same thing. Also, being from PGH, I have seen the difference too. But I will tell you this, no matter what, I support my team, as I have since the beginning, and that's all that matters to me. :kingkong:

TOTALLY DISAGREE!!!!

Who is it that accepts and percieves that you have to be an a-hole to be a good fan? That's certainly not my perception of what a good fan is. I personally know plenty of passionate Texans fans and....ahem....most of them are NOT a-holes.:cowboy1:

And I couldn't give a rat's ass what fans from Pittsburgh, KC, Indy, Oakland, NYC, Philly, and Tampa, or any team for that matter, thinks. If I've got to have the reputation of Philly fans to be considered a good fan, no thank you. Or how about Browns fans littering the field with beer bottles? Yeah, those are really good fans....NOT.

I don't care what city you're in, Green Bay, Indy, KC, where ever, when their teams are down 32-7 with 3 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter, those stadiums are going to start massively emptying. You want passionate, try the 20,000 or so fans that stayed in Reliant when the Texans were down 32-7 with 3 minutes to go in the 3rd, and they came back to take the lead with less than a minute to go in the game. Those 20,000 passionate fans had that stadium as loud as it's ever been, while the a-holes were already out in the parking lots getting trashed.

**Disclaimer: Not saying everyone who left that game is an a-hole. Only the a-holes, and they know who they are.

No, passion is not measured by how much of an a-hole you are.

Who's Peter King?

Hervoyel
07-28-2008, 12:38 AM
"The fans of the Houston Texans are plenty passionate Peter. You need to come down here and learn a little something about the people you're writing about before you say something like that. We're accustomed to being ignored and to reading pieces about our team thrown together by guys who don't even take the time to get the story right. We don't get offended by that or "go nuts" about it. We just assume you don't know what you're talking about and ignore you. We're not lacking passion, we just don't have the time or the inclination to set every one of you guys straight on what the Texans are going to do to your perceptions this season."

TexansLucky13
07-28-2008, 02:38 AM
A friend of mine wants to meet Peter King.....

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/12/1201_giftguide_toys/image/louisville-slugger-bat.jpg

He's a big Texans fan.

:bat:

PapaL
07-28-2008, 07:47 AM
Add one more log to the fire...


Dear Mr. King,

I am greatly appalled at your vast generalization of my teams fan base. While the Houston Texans have neither been around very long nor fielded a very good product; the fans have come out each and every game to support our guys. Even during the Capers and Casserly era, our beloved Texans have played in front of pack house. I challenge you sir to head over to training camp and catch a regular season game.
Get onto the Texans bandwagon now because we will be surprising teams and fans alike this year. We are new, improved, young and hungry. We will continue to sell out our stadium, support our team and enjoy arguably the best tailgating in the league.

I'm a Texan Diehard,
Luis
Germantown, MD

aj.
07-28-2008, 08:23 AM
I wrote him a response. Keith said it all imo...

Here's a couple more suggestions. I don't have time to do it since I'm already running late for work. Otherwise, I'll get to it tonight.

1) someone should get a picture of Preston and send it to King and tell him if he doesn't retract that we're going to sent this guy up there to heat butt him in the ass.

2) Invite the slug down here for a tailgate and game and we'll show him what lack of passion is all about. Have him start out in the Yellow and gradually work his way into the Raging Bull area on a 3 hour tour and I guarantee his next blog will be about the best tailgating and friendliest (and some of the most passionate)fans he's ever seen.

pittbull3
07-28-2008, 08:47 AM
TOTALLY DISAGREE!!!!

Who is it that accepts and percieves that you have to be an a-hole to be a good fan? That's certainly not my perception of what a good fan is. I personally know plenty of passionate Texans fans and....ahem....most of them are NOT a-holes.:cowboy1:

And I couldn't give a rat's ass what fans from Pittsburgh, KC, Indy, Oakland, NYC, Philly, and Tampa, or any team for that matter, thinks. If I've got to have the reputation of Philly fans to be considered a good fan, no thank you. Or how about Browns fans littering the field with beer bottles? Yeah, those are really good fans....NOT.

I don't care what city you're in, Green Bay, Indy, KC, where ever, when their teams are down 32-7 with 3 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter, those stadiums are going to start massively emptying. You want passionate, try the 20,000 or so fans that stayed in Reliant when the Texans were down 32-7 with 3 minutes to go in the 3rd, and they came back to take the lead with less than a minute to go in the game. Those 20,000 passionate fans had that stadium as loud as it's ever been, while the a-holes were already out in the parking lots getting trashed.

**Disclaimer: Not saying everyone who left that game is an a-hole. Only the a-holes, and they know who they are.

No, passion is not measured by how much of an a-hole you are.

Who's Peter King?


Speedy you got my statement wrong. I don't believe you have to be an a-hole, but that is the perception of a wild and crazy football fan. Quite frankly, being from the northeast,(pittsburgh & family season ticket holders for the last 35 years) the atmosphere is different. I have no idea why. People are just more harsh at a football game, and that is reality. They are "perceived" as a-holes because the harshness of their tone, their demeanor, etc....Unfortunately, fans in Oakland, Philly, PGH, Cleveland, etc...have become poster childs for what football fans look like. If your not like them, then you will be perceived as less passionate. That's all....

But I will tell you this.....No matter the score, no less than 5,000 fans will leave a pittsburgh stadium, no matter the score. It's just the way it is. They are in their seats when kickoff starts and when the horn blows. They live through the team and how the team responds is how the city responds. Just the way it is.:aggressive:

pittbull3
07-28-2008, 08:48 AM
I wrote him a response. Keith said it all imo...

Here's a couple more suggestions. I don't have time to do it since I'm already running late for work. Otherwise, I'll get to it tonight.

1) someone should get a picture of Preston and send it to King and tell him if he doesn't retract that we're going to sent this guy up there to heat butt him in the ass.

2) Invite the slug down here for a tailgate and game and we'll show him what lack of passion is all about. Have him start out in the Yellow and gradually work his way into the Raging Bull area on a 3 hour tour and I guarantee his next blog will be about the best tailgating and friendliest (and some of the most passionate)fans he's ever seen.


AJ...What's up buddy. Long time, no talk too. I had to make my return to the site, after a long absence.....:whip:

Texan_Bill
07-28-2008, 09:11 AM
I should have waited until I had my coffee, but........

Peter,
If you would remove Brett Favre's jock strap that you use as an eye patch, OR check your Northeast media bias at the door, you might see that you are wrong about Texans fans.

Man-up and come to the Platinum Lot, Blue Lot, Orange and Yellow Lots before a home game. Then and only then can you pass judgment on the passion of Texans fans.

Alas, journalism isn't about getting it right anymore. It's about filling space with words AND without substance. Thanks Peter for not inserting fact or substance into yet another one of your softball/bubble gum pieces....


Bill
Passionate, Loyal Texan Fan!!!

Texans_Chick
07-28-2008, 11:02 AM
Peter,
If you would remove Brett Favre's jock strap that you use as an eye patch, OR check your Northeast media bias at the door, you might see that you are wrong about Texans fans.

Man-up and come to the Platinum Lot, Blue Lot, Orange and Yellow Lots before a home game. Then and only then can you pass judgment on the passion of Texans fans.

Alas, journalism isn't about getting it right anymore. It's about filling space with words AND without substance. Thanks Peter for not inserting fact or substance into yet another one of your softball/bubble gum pieces....


Bill
Passionate, Loyal Texan Fan!!!

I don't know Bill. You are pretty darn good without your caffeine.

Matt from DGDB&D unleashed a unholy hand grenade in the general direction of Peter King (http://www.atexansblog.com/2008/07/28/an-open-letter-to-peter-king/).

Do NOT click on that link if you are offended by all the cuss words all at once, vulgar personal attacks, Favre manlove references and unspeakable things done to people's loved ones.

I don't recommend you take that approach when contacting King, as that sort of blast should be left to the semi-professional. We all show our passion for our team in different ways and Matt's involves large measures of redazz.

Everybody, get your emails in one by one. Tell em your stories. What it meant to get a franchise here. What sorts of fanatic things you do. Short email, long email, getcher email's in.

PapaL
07-28-2008, 11:10 AM
I don't know Bill. You are pretty darn good without your caffeine.

Matt from DGDB&D unleashed a unholy hand grenade in the general direction of Peter King (http://www.atexansblog.com/2008/07/28/an-open-letter-to-peter-king/).

Do NOT click on that link if you are offended by all the cuss words all at once, vulgar personal attacks, Favre manlove references and unspeakable things done to people's loved ones.

I don't recommend you take that approach when contacting King, as that sort of blast should be left to the semi-professional. We all show our passion for our team in different ways and Matt's involves large measures of redazz.

Everybody, get your emails in one by one. Tell em your stories. What it meant to get a franchise here. What sorts of fanatic things you do. Short email, long email, getcher email's in.

Also to note: Googling of the term "smegma" should be done on personal time from the comfort of your own home(s).

Brando
07-28-2008, 11:16 AM
I don't know Bill. You are pretty darn good without your caffeine.

Matt from DGDB&D unleashed a unholy hand grenade in the general direction of Peter King (http://www.atexansblog.com/2008/07/28/an-open-letter-to-peter-king/).

Do NOT click on that link if you are offended by all the cuss words all at once, vulgar personal attacks, Favre manlove references and unspeakable things done to people's loved ones.

I don't recommend you take that approach when contacting King, as that sort of blast should be left to the semi-professional. We all show our passion for our team in different ways and Matt's involves large measures of redazz.

Everybody, get your emails in one by one. Tell em your stories. What it meant to get a franchise here. What sorts of fanatic things you do. Short email, long email, getcher email's in.


lol I didn't even get past the Dear **** before I :spit:

Double Barrel
07-28-2008, 11:23 AM
My message to him:

Hello Peter,

With regards to your rather misinformed article about Houston Texans fans (http://theredskinsblog.com/2008/07/25/at-the-park-today-talking-to-peter-king/#more-233), my fellow Texans fanatics are rather riled up about your mischaracterization of our dedication to our hometown team. To be honest with you, I am not upset by what you said, simply because your OPINION has never meant much to me. I have read the obvious East Coast bias in your articles for many years, so it comes as no surprise to me that you would slander our great fanbase. It is yet another example of yellow dog journalism to write about something that you know absolutely nothing about.

I, along with 70,000 of my fellow Houston Texans fanatics, have been dedicated to this team since it’s inception. Every game has been sold out, in spite of the fact that we have not experienced a winning season in six years and were forced to suffer through four years of horrible management in Charlie Casserly and Dom Capers. Yet here we are, still selling out our stadium, still dedicated to our team, still proud to be Houston Texans fans, and still optimistic that our time is just around the corner.

I would elaborate more about our fanbase, but I doubt you really care. Your profession is built upon sensationalism and generalizations based in ignorance. But should you care to educate yourself about this subject, feel free to come to a Texans home game. In spite of your weak attempt to insult us with baseless insinuations, Texans fans have big hearts and will welcome you to any one of our many tailgating parties. Should you be unable to attend, please feel free to check out our dedicated myspace page, created by the Texans Demolition Crew and devoted to promoting Houston Texans fanatics. (http://www.myspace.com/texansdemolitioncrew)

Sincerely,

Double Barrel Darrell
Texans Demolition Crew since 2002
LOUD, PROUD & TEXAN!!!

Texans_Chick
07-28-2008, 11:33 AM
My message to him:

And Texans fans keep bringing it, with Pantera no less.

Kaiser Toro
07-28-2008, 12:08 PM
Mr. King,
I was recently called upon by a fellow dispassionate Houston Texan fan to your statement, in a Q&A piece, that Texan fans are not passionate. I would like to know how do you define passion in your locality and based upon your sporting life experience? Rather than cast stones on your blanket statement I figured it would be best to allow a response before I show a Texan sized ounce of passion.
Some pre-emptive context may be in order to allow a smooth quid pro quo. Therefore, let’s scoop some poop:
• Charley Casserly, Dom Capers and David Carr – Most Texan fans knew that the C&C Football factory was manufacturing widgets that were not ready for production while costs escalated. The 2002 draft was difficult for passionate football fans as we were pigeonholed to take Carr and Gaffney over Peppers and Portis based on Capers competency and modding an offense for an unproven commodity in a QB that would have an immense TCO. Tough start, but with Casserly at the helm we did expect him to supplement his other “big moves” with Boselli and the under the table fire sale with the Jaguars. Unfortunately, this was only before we started our first game and the hits would keep coming from C&C. You know Casserly pretty well, and should have an idea what type of passion he instills with the fans of the teams he “supports.”
• Houston Texan coverage – We are still waiting for coverage and this may be the reasoning behind your thinking that we do not have passion since we have no representative in your industry to mirror the passion that our fans keep in the parking lots, in the seats, on the phones, on message boards, at training camp, behind the BBQ pit and our love for an organization that has not had many breaks in its short history. You know the guys and gals that cover us, but they failed the Texans long ago and now Texans fans fend for themselves in the media diaspora that is today. We communicate through digital papyrus, IM’s, private messages, texts and get together whenever we can, despite the lack of passion of your brethren in the Houston media.
• The Draft of 2006 – I had it right in January of 2006, largely because I, like many of my fellow Texan fans, knew the team’s pimple and warts, cap situation, needs and sense of history. For this, we understand, more so than many, that you have to “go through hell, before you get to Texas.” This is one chip on our shoulder that we can handle.
My passion - where does it come from, what feeds it – the passion, that the dispassionate made:
• I grew up a Cowboys fan and could not stand the way Landry was sacked although it spawned some amazing football in the early to mid 90’s. However, it always seemed to be at a cost with the off field antics and a meddling owner. I moved back to Texas in 1999 to my hometown of Austin and shortly found out that Houston had been awarded a franchise. I am not sure if it was survival instinct, more discretionary dollars available or passion displaced from the cold, mostly dead hands of Jackie Smith, circa 1979, but I found a new home to display my year long passion for the game of football.
• The weekly pilgrimage – My wife and I have been PSL owners since day one. Our Sunday experience usually starts with waking up at 5:00 am getting our things ready for the two and a half hour commute. Most of our games have been 12:00 pm starts, as it should be for a fledgling team trying to find an identity that would enhance the brand name, which means that we can enter the gates at 8:00 am, per the Texans terrific tailgating policy. You should see the parade of rigs that our fans have, not to mention the Texan sized hospitality that is extended over the course of pre game festivities. When it comes to football, BBQ and organization I believe you would understand what it means to flex your Texan by experiencing the game day festivities. We oscillate between the Yellow, Blue and Orange lots to meet a variety of folks who take on the persona of the lots (topography, and geography to the stadium). We then head into the stadium around 11:30 am to make sure we get to our seats in order to make the introductions where we practice one of the Texan “traditions.” For six years we have left the stadium with mostly losses and until Kubiak showed up they were not even competitive losses. Adding insult to injury we had a two and half hour commute back Austin and a mountain of ribbing to deal with at the office the following day.
• The 2006 season, living in Austin and being a huge UT fan – The media once again tried to snuff out the passion for Texan fans, but this time it was something even more sinister – putting the Vince Young led Titans on the Austin CBS affiliate instead of running the Texans games, after going through a great UT Championship run months prior and having to go through the senseless draft VY fodder. Texans on the radio, not available either. Thankfully I have the Sunday Ticket and Texan fans had multiple internets, or a series of tubes, to communicate their dissatisfaction and find places to commune to watch the Texans together. Being competitive and winning more games will always cure all, and we have started to see them picked up again via the different channels.

What keeps me coming back? Passion, competiveness, ROI and the reasonable expectation for any fan – the optimism that comes every late July in the form of a new season and that a new chapter will be written, but with incremental success. Our team is young and there are plots and story lines everywhere that the local and national media could pick up once we start turning some heads. Michael Smith has been the only national writer of record that not only sees, but feels what is percolating in Houston. I recommend you come down and get a whiff of what is brewing down here - to “quote” Colonel Kilgore in Apocalypse Now:
Kilgore: Smell that? You smell that?
Lance: What?
Kilgore: Passion, son. Nothing in the world smells like that.
Kilgore: I love the smell of passion in the morning. You know, one time we had a secondary bombed, for 12 minutes. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' Jag back. The smell, you know that football smell, the whole stadium. Smelled like... victory.

You can all us many things, many of which will stick. However, for a city that is Clutch, employs the Heart of a Champion and had its heart taken from it when the Possum King left to Tennessee we will never lack passion for the game of football and our Texans. Come on down and see for yourself, Texan fans have got something that is innate, there is no other reason for us to keep coming back and take the misguided ridicule.


Regards,
Chris Koch aka Kaiser Toro
Native Texan

nflnutswife
07-28-2008, 12:19 PM
OH MY GOSH what a great post TORO, You soooo got my REP!

Texan_Bill
07-28-2008, 12:24 PM
Mr. King,
I was recently called upon by a fellow dispassionate Houston Texan fan to your statement, in a Q&A piece, that Texan fans are not passionate. I would like to know how do you define passion in your locality and based upon your sporting life experience? Rather than cast stones on your blanket statement I figured it would be best to allow a response before I show a Texan sized ounce of passion.
Some pre-emptive context may be in order to allow a smooth quid pro quo. Therefore, let’s scoop some poop:
• Charley Casserly, Dom Capers and David Carr – Most Texan fans knew that the C&C Football factory was manufacturing widgets that were not ready for production while costs escalated. The 2002 draft was difficult for passionate football fans as we were pigeonholed to take Carr and Gaffney over Peppers and Portis based on Capers competency and modding an offense for an unproven commodity in a QB that would have an immense TCO. Tough start, but with Casserly at the helm we did expect him to supplement his other “big moves” with Boselli and the under the table fire sale with the Jaguars. Unfortunately, this was only before we started our first game and the hits would keep coming from C&C. You know Casserly pretty well, and should have an idea what type of passion he instills with the fans of the teams he “supports.”
• Houston Texan coverage – We are still waiting for coverage and this may be the reasoning behind your thinking that we do not have passion since we have no representative in your industry to mirror the passion that our fans keep in the parking lots, in the seats, on the phones, on message boards, at training camp, behind the BBQ pit and our love for an organization that has not had many breaks in its short history. You know the guys and gals that cover us, but they failed the Texans long ago and now Texans fans fend for themselves in the media diaspora that is today. We communicate through digital papyrus, IM’s, private messages, texts and get together whenever we can, despite the lack of passion of your brethren in the Houston media.
• The Draft of 2006 – I had it right in January of 2006, largely because I, like many of my fellow Texan fans, knew the team’s pimple and warts, cap situation, needs and sense of history. For this, we understand, more so than many, that you have to “go through hell, before you get to Texas.” This is one chip on our shoulder that we can handle.
My passion - where does it come from, what feeds it – the passion, that the dispassionate made:
• I grew up a Cowboys fan and could not stand the way Landry was sacked although it spawned some amazing football in the early to mid 90’s. However, it always seemed to be at a cost with the off field antics and a meddling owner. I moved back to Texas in 1999 to my hometown of Austin and shortly found out that Houston had been awarded a franchise. I am not sure if it was survival instinct, more discretionary dollars available or passion displaced from the cold, mostly dead hands of Jackie Smith, circa 1979, but I found a new home to display my year long passion for the game of football.
• The weekly pilgrimage – My wife and I have been PSL owners since day one. Our Sunday experience usually starts with waking up at 5:00 am getting our things ready for the two and a half hour commute. Most of our games have been 12:00 pm starts, as it should be for a fledgling team trying to find an identity that would enhance the brand name, which means that we can enter the gates at 8:00 am, per the Texans terrific tailgating policy. You should see the parade of rigs that our fans have, not to mention the Texan sized hospitality that is extended over the course of pre game festivities. When it comes to football, BBQ and organization I believe you would understand what it means to flex your Texan by experiencing the game day festivities. We oscillate between the Yellow, Blue and Orange lots to meet a variety of folks who take on the persona of the lots (topography, and geography to the stadium). We then head into the stadium around 11:30 am to make sure we get to our seats in order to make the introductions where we practice one of the Texan “traditions.” For six years we have left the stadium with mostly losses and until Kubiak showed up they were not even competitive losses. Adding insult to injury we had a two and half hour commute back Austin and a mountain of ribbing to deal with at the office the following day.
• The 2006 season, living in Austin and being a huge UT fan – The media once again tried to snuff out the passion for Texan fans, but this time it was something even more sinister – putting the Vince Young led Titans on the Austin CBS affiliate instead of running the Texans games, after going through a great UT Championship run months prior and having to go through the senseless draft VY fodder. Texans on the radio, not available either. Thankfully I have the Sunday Ticket and Texan fans had multiple internets, or a series of tubes, to communicate their dissatisfaction and find places to commune to watch the Texans together. Being competitive and winning more games will always cure all, and we have started to see them picked up again via the different channels.

What keeps me coming back? Passion, competiveness, ROI and the reasonable expectation for any fan – the optimism that comes every late July in the form of a new season and that a new chapter will be written, but with incremental success. Our team is young and there are plots and story lines everywhere that the local and national media could pick up once we start turning some heads. Michael Smith has been the only national writer of record that not only sees, but feels what is percolating in Houston. I recommend you come down and get a whiff of what is brewing down here - to “quote” Colonel Kilgore in Apocalypse Now:
Kilgore: Smell that? You smell that?
Lance: What?
Kilgore: Passion, son. Nothing in the world smells like that.
Kilgore: I love the smell of passion in the morning. You know, one time we had a secondary bombed, for 12 minutes. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' Jag back. The smell, you know that football smell, the whole stadium. Smelled like... victory.

You can all us many things, many of which will stick. However, for a city that is Clutch, employs the Heart of a Champion and had its heart taken from it when the Possum King left to Tennessee we will never lack passion for the game of football and our Texans. Come on down and see for yourself, Texan fans have got something that is innate, there is no other reason for us to keep coming back and take the misguided ridicule.


Regards,
Chris Koch aka Kaiser Toro
Native Texan

Dear Mr. King,

Please disregard my previous email because Kaiser Toro said it much, much better!!


Texan_Bill

Señor Stan
07-28-2008, 12:25 PM
Peter,

- The reversal of Mike Renfro's TD catch hurt
- Losing 2 AFC Champship games to the Steelers hurt.
- Watching a class act like Bum Phillips get fired by Bud Adams hurt.
- The Ed Biles era hurt.
- Losing 23 consecutive road games in the 80s hurt.
- Having the “Homerun Spectacular” scoreboard torn down by Bud hurt.
- Watching John Elway and the Broncos beat the Oilers after a 21-6 lead hurt.
- 35-3 hurt
- Joe Montana ending an 11 game winning streak in the playoffs hurt
- Having that roadkill wearing shyster move my team away hurt

- Tony Boselli never playing a down hurt
- The Capers and Casserly show hurt
- The Phillip Buchannon and Jason Babin deals hurt.
- 2 and 14 hurt
- 5 years of David Carr hurt.


- Having your fanbase’s passion questioned by a SI columnist….not so much.

If you want to see real football passion, come to Reliant. Actually, come for the Monday night game vs. the Jaguars. I think you will be surprised.

Regards,

Stan

By the way, I see that you will be visiting the Jaguars training camp this month. Please let me know if they have to use tarps to cover the empty seats there too. Thanks!

Texans_Chick
07-28-2008, 12:34 PM
Peter,

- The reversal of Mike Renfro's TD catch hurt
- Losing 2 AFC Champship games to the Steelers hurt.
- Watching a class act like Bum Phillips get fired by Bud Adams hurt.
- The Ed Biles era hurt.
- Losing 23 consecutive road games in the 80s hurt.
- Having the “Homerun Spectacular” scoreboard torn down by Bud hurt.
- Watching John Elway and the Broncos beat the Oilers after a 21-6 lead hurt.
- 35-3 hurt
- Joe Montana ending an 11 game winning streak in the playoffs hurt
- Having that roadkill wearing shyster move my team away hurt

- Tony Boselli never playing a down hurt
- The Capers and Casserly show hurt
- The Phillip Buchannon and Jason Babin deals hurt.
- 2 and 14 hurt
- 5 years of David Carr hurt.


- Having your fanbase’s passion questioned by a SI columnist….not so much.

If you want to see real football passion, come to Reliant. Actually, come for the Monday night game vs. the Jaguars. I think you will be surprised.

Regards,

Stan

By the way, I see that you will be visiting the Jaguars training camp this month. Please let me know if they have to use tarps to cover the empty seats there too. Thanks!

Stan, KT, you guys are feeling it. :cowboy1: :pirate: :user:

Keep on keeping on everyone. You don't have to be a poet. Just say what is in your heart. Invite him to your tailgates. Tell him how it is whatever way you feel it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/05/Come_And_Take_It_Mural.jpg/250px-

aj.
07-28-2008, 12:53 PM
AJ...What's up buddy. Long time, no talk too. I had to make my return to the site, after a long absence.....:whip:

Glad you're back. We're still here but we're talking about a different team since we last heard from you.

Some of the 'passion' v. a-hole fan discussion reminds me of Wicky Wacky's priceless in-game PA announcement that went something like 'you don't live in Cleveland' as the fans showered the field with stuff....

keyser
07-28-2008, 12:55 PM
Wow, after Kaiser Toro's letter, I feel bad posting mine, but here it is:

Mr. King,

I understand that you recently stated that Texans fans lack passion. Let me first ask: how do you even know what level of passion our fans do or don’t have? Have you visited the Texans’ training camp or a home game since 2002? What attention do you actually pay to our team? Like the rest of the media, the Texans hardly receive any notice in your commentary, and what little commentary there is is remarkably uninformed (e.g. parroting Casserly, as if he were still a key decision maker after it was announced he would be leaving).

Second, how on earth do you define passion? Do you judge passion by how ridiculous a fan will act (hint: please don’t confuse imbecilic behavior with passion)? Or, do you measure how many angry emails you receive? Like 95% of the media, you ignore the Texans – why should fans waste their time (as I am probably doing now) bothering to email you or any of the other media who obviously don’t care to follow the team closely?

For me, I judge passion by how closely and deeply a person follows the team. With the Texans, you have a franchise that has never yet had a winning season, much less a playoff game, gets excoriated by all of the national media for a draft pick that, in retrospect, has that media eating their words, and receives so little respect from the media that, even after an 8-8 season during which the starting QB, WR, and RB all lost significant time due to injury, many predictions give them a losing record. Don’t tell me that people who remain fans through all of this lack passion for the team!

I would venture to say that Texans fans are some of the most dedicated and knowledgeable fans anywhere, if only by virtue of sticking closely with the team through extremely hard times. While only anecdotal, I can say that Texans fans I have met are easily more knowledgable and follow their team far closer than the average Dallas fan I encounter in Texas, or the average Jets/Giants fan I encountered in the many years I lived in New York. Don’t worry, soon the Texans will begin winning, and a larger bandwagon will form, including those who know very little, but exhibit the behavior you apparently equate with passion. I expect that then you’ll suddenly find that Texans fans are “more passionate.” But, I would suggest that before then, you might reconsider just how you judge a fan’s “passion” for a team…

Hardcore Texan
07-28-2008, 12:55 PM
Are you guys just filling out the "peter king's mailbag" from the first link in this thread or do you have is actual email address?

Brando
07-28-2008, 12:57 PM
Mr. King,
I was recently called upon by a fellow dispassionate Houston Texan fan to your statement, in a Q&A piece, that Texan fans are not passionate. I would like to know how do you define passion in your locality and based upon your sporting life experience? Rather than cast stones on your blanket statement I figured it would be best to allow a response before I show a Texan sized ounce of passion.
Some pre-emptive context may be in order to allow a smooth quid pro quo. Therefore, let’s scoop some poop:
• Charley Casserly, Dom Capers and David Carr – Most Texan fans knew that the C&C Football factory was manufacturing widgets that were not ready for production while costs escalated. The 2002 draft was difficult for passionate football fans as we were pigeonholed to take Carr and Gaffney over Peppers and Portis based on Capers competency and modding an offense for an unproven commodity in a QB that would have an immense TCO. Tough start, but with Casserly at the helm we did expect him to supplement his other “big moves” with Boselli and the under the table fire sale with the Jaguars. Unfortunately, this was only before we started our first game and the hits would keep coming from C&C. You know Casserly pretty well, and should have an idea what type of passion he instills with the fans of the teams he “supports.”
• Houston Texan coverage – We are still waiting for coverage and this may be the reasoning behind your thinking that we do not have passion since we have no representative in your industry to mirror the passion that our fans keep in the parking lots, in the seats, on the phones, on message boards, at training camp, behind the BBQ pit and our love for an organization that has not had many breaks in its short history. You know the guys and gals that cover us, but they failed the Texans long ago and now Texans fans fend for themselves in the media diaspora that is today. We communicate through digital papyrus, IM’s, private messages, texts and get together whenever we can, despite the lack of passion of your brethren in the Houston media.
• The Draft of 2006 – I had it right in January of 2006, largely because I, like many of my fellow Texan fans, knew the team’s pimple and warts, cap situation, needs and sense of history. For this, we understand, more so than many, that you have to “go through hell, before you get to Texas.” This is one chip on our shoulder that we can handle.
My passion - where does it come from, what feeds it – the passion, that the dispassionate made:
• I grew up a Cowboys fan and could not stand the way Landry was sacked although it spawned some amazing football in the early to mid 90’s. However, it always seemed to be at a cost with the off field antics and a meddling owner. I moved back to Texas in 1999 to my hometown of Austin and shortly found out that Houston had been awarded a franchise. I am not sure if it was survival instinct, more discretionary dollars available or passion displaced from the cold, mostly dead hands of Jackie Smith, circa 1979, but I found a new home to display my year long passion for the game of football.
• The weekly pilgrimage – My wife and I have been PSL owners since day one. Our Sunday experience usually starts with waking up at 5:00 am getting our things ready for the two and a half hour commute. Most of our games have been 12:00 pm starts, as it should be for a fledgling team trying to find an identity that would enhance the brand name, which means that we can enter the gates at 8:00 am, per the Texans terrific tailgating policy. You should see the parade of rigs that our fans have, not to mention the Texan sized hospitality that is extended over the course of pre game festivities. When it comes to football, BBQ and organization I believe you would understand what it means to flex your Texan by experiencing the game day festivities. We oscillate between the Yellow, Blue and Orange lots to meet a variety of folks who take on the persona of the lots (topography, and geography to the stadium). We then head into the stadium around 11:30 am to make sure we get to our seats in order to make the introductions where we practice one of the Texan “traditions.” For six years we have left the stadium with mostly losses and until Kubiak showed up they were not even competitive losses. Adding insult to injury we had a two and half hour commute back Austin and a mountain of ribbing to deal with at the office the following day.
• The 2006 season, living in Austin and being a huge UT fan – The media once again tried to snuff out the passion for Texan fans, but this time it was something even more sinister – putting the Vince Young led Titans on the Austin CBS affiliate instead of running the Texans games, after going through a great UT Championship run months prior and having to go through the senseless draft VY fodder. Texans on the radio, not available either. Thankfully I have the Sunday Ticket and Texan fans had multiple internets, or a series of tubes, to communicate their dissatisfaction and find places to commune to watch the Texans together. Being competitive and winning more games will always cure all, and we have started to see them picked up again via the different channels.

What keeps me coming back? Passion, competiveness, ROI and the reasonable expectation for any fan – the optimism that comes every late July in the form of a new season and that a new chapter will be written, but with incremental success. Our team is young and there are plots and story lines everywhere that the local and national media could pick up once we start turning some heads. Michael Smith has been the only national writer of record that not only sees, but feels what is percolating in Houston. I recommend you come down and get a whiff of what is brewing down here - to “quote” Colonel Kilgore in Apocalypse Now:
Kilgore: Smell that? You smell that?
Lance: What?
Kilgore: Passion, son. Nothing in the world smells like that.
Kilgore: I love the smell of passion in the morning. You know, one time we had a secondary bombed, for 12 minutes. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' Jag back. The smell, you know that football smell, the whole stadium. Smelled like... victory.

You can all us many things, many of which will stick. However, for a city that is Clutch, employs the Heart of a Champion and had its heart taken from it when the Possum King left to Tennessee we will never lack passion for the game of football and our Texans. Come on down and see for yourself, Texan fans have got something that is innate, there is no other reason for us to keep coming back and take the misguided ridicule.


Regards,
Chris Koch aka Kaiser Toro
Native Texan

Well said Sir! I have given to much rep out in 24 hours but I will get you when I can. That's awesome!

pittbull3
07-28-2008, 12:59 PM
Peter King is not making a visit unless winning and a huge story comes out of houston. Like Mario winning the sack title this year and knocking Peyton Manning out for the year in game 5. Until Matt Schaub goes over 4000 yards passing and AJ has 15 td's and 1500 yards receiving. Until the Texans win more games than the cowgirls and take over the state for football dominance. Just the way the media is. They have their darlings they want to talk about. I mean really, there is truly nothing passionate about the Redskin fans, with the exception of the hogs. The cowgirls choke every year, people follow the jets and they haven't won since Joe Namath said "We did it, We did it!" As soon as we begin to dominate, and we will, let our city, team, and actions speak for themselves. :foottap:

Double Barrel
07-28-2008, 01:20 PM
Good replies, everyone. I've tried to rep y'all, but the system wants me to spread it around first. I'll be back to this thread soon, though. :howdy:

Shaft75
07-28-2008, 01:23 PM
Thanks everyone for all the good reads. We have a very passionate fan base! Think about how awesome it will feel when our boys get into the playoffs, especially after all of the hardships that we, as Houston football fans, have faced.

Screw the King's and the ESPiN's of the world. We know who we are and where we come from! TEXANS FANS REPRESENT!

texanpride

bpe3
07-28-2008, 01:25 PM
Face it, people. We don't deserve to be mentioned with the Cardinals, but Peter King isn't that far off. Yes, the Texans have a handful of die hard fans, myself included, but overall, our fan base is pretty weak.

We may have great tailgating, but we have a long way to go.

Take a look around the stadium at kickoff. You'll see many THOUSANDS of empty seats, even at a sold out game. The fact of the matter is that the Texans have a huge season ticket holder base that just don't care that much about football or the Texans. Hopefully that will change as the Texans start racking up wins and playoff appearances, but for now, it is what is.

I was at the Texans-Bears game at Soldier Field when it was 9 freakin' degrees at kickoff with a 20 MPH wind. The wind chill was below zero. There wasn't an empty seat in the house when the game started. Bears fans would be emabarrassed to have fans like the Texans. The same can be said for the stadium crowds I've witnessed at home games by the Chiefs, Jets, Dolphins, Bills, and Rams, not an empty seat in the house at kickoff.

Need proof? I'm headed to games in KC (vs. Saints) and Green Bay (vs. Texans) this year. I'll take some pics at Reliant during the home opener and see how they compare to other NFL stadiums.

bpe3

Texan_Bill
07-28-2008, 01:27 PM
Thanks everyone for all the good reads. We have a very passionate fan base! Think about how awesome it will feel when our boys get into the playoffs, especially after all of the hardships that we, as Houston football fans, have faced.

Screw the King's and the ESPiN's of the world. We know who we are and where we come from! TEXANS FANS REPRESENT!

texanpride

Indeed we have passionate fans........ Well, except for that dang section 137.. *ducks punches from Shaft*

:hides:

PapaL
07-28-2008, 01:30 PM
Kaiser Toro - You my friend have brought a tear to my eye. I wish what I wrote was as eloquent and heart felt as that. If I could rep you I would. This is hands down the best post I have ever read on any message board. Kudos my friend, kudos.

---

To plagiarize Texan_Bill:

Dear Mr. King,

Please disregard my previous email because Kaiser Toro said it much, much better!!

Papa L

PapaL
07-28-2008, 01:31 PM
Are you guys just filling out the "peter king's mailbag" from the first link in this thread or do you have is actual email address?

That's how to contact his MMQB and TMQB article; i.e. his most read piece.

Shaft75
07-28-2008, 01:33 PM
Indeed we have passionate fans........ Well, except for that dang section 137.. *ducks punches from Shaft*

:hides:

:aggressive:
Come on Bill you freakin :lion: !

Seriously I love reading all of these e-mails. I have spread too much rep for the day allready. I will get back to it in 24 hours.

pittbull3
07-28-2008, 01:38 PM
Face it, people. We don't deserve to be mentioned with the Cardinals, but Peter King isn't that far off. Yes, the Texans have a handful of die hard fans, myself included, but overall, our fan base is pretty weak.

We may have great tailgating, but we have a long way to go.

Take a look around the stadium at kickoff. You'll see many THOUSANDS of empty seats, even at a sold out game. The fact of the matter is that the Texans have a huge season ticket holder base that just don't care that much about football or the Texans. Hopefully that will change as the Texans start racking up wins and playoff appearances, but for now, it is what is.

I was at the Texans-Bears game at Soldier Field when it was 9 freakin' degrees at kickoff with a 20 MPH wind. The wind chill was below zero. There wasn't an empty seat in the house when the game started. Bears fans would be emabarrassed to have fans like the Texans. The same can be said for the stadium crowds I've witnessed at home games by the Chiefs, Jets, Dolphins, Bills, and Rams, not an empty seat in the house at kickoff.

Need proof? I'm headed to games in KC (vs. Saints) and Green Bay (vs. Texans) this year. I'll take some pics at Reliant during the home opener and see how they compare to other NFL stadiums.

bpe3

That's what I have been trying to say. It's nothing to be all angry over, it just comes with time and winning. The teams you and I mentioned, have a winning tradition, the franchise never relocated, and was established during a different economic era. Just the nature of what is going on at this particular time.:goodpost:

Hardcore Texan
07-28-2008, 01:40 PM
Well, here's what I sent, not nearly as good as some of the others.....but it was heartfelt! :texflag:


Dear Mr. King,

It has been brought to my attention as well as several other Hardcore fans of the Houston Texans that you claim that we have no passion for our team. What could possibly be your barometer on tens of thousands of fans so far away.....you know in a land called "reality"? Perhaps you have heard of it and visit there occasionally but it seems you have not taken the time to look around. Do you keep tabs on the Texans, do you research how the team is progressing under Kubiak/Smith? (I will throw you a bone, that's our Head Coach and GM) I suspect that you don’t care to know and it is evident in your misguided jab at so many people. Talk about the mother of all assumptions, pretending to have your hand on the pulse of Texans nation and being so smug to say we are not passionate. Please don't bother to let good ole facts and research get in your way of mis-leading both of your readers. Garbage in/ garbage out as they say. Your unfounded accusation reeks of East coast bias, something us here in Houston have grown accustomed to and know how to look past. Rest assured Mr. King, your comments only give us more reason to unite and strengthen our resolve to prove all the nay-saying, mindless dribble that pollutes the blog-o-sphere is simply no more than mean spirited conjecture.

All this being said, if you ever get the metal to come down to Houston on a fall Sunday and check out the situation for yourself, we would treat you like we do opposing fans who visit our tailgates. What my surprise is you that equates to free beverages, free food, fun discussion, and friendly banter. We show hospitality to our guests, (maybe it's that good ole Southern upbringin') and we also show nothing but immeasurable PASSION for our team!


Sincerely,
Paul
Native Texan and PROUD fan of the Houston Texans!

P.S. Your favorite team sucks.

PapaL
07-28-2008, 01:45 PM
P.S. Your favorite team sucks. :texflag:

I think I found my quote for season. (Slightly modified of course)

Double Barrel
07-28-2008, 02:07 PM
Face it, people. We don't deserve to be mentioned with the Cardinals, but Peter King isn't that far off. Yes, the Texans have a handful of die hard fans, myself included, but overall, our fan base is pretty weak.

ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/attendance?sort=home_avg&year=2007) says that we are ranked 12th in average attendance in 2007. Not bad for a team that has never had a winning season in it's history. I have to wonder how dedicated those other fans in the cities you mentioned would be if their team had never won more games than they lost.

p.s. I am assuming that ESPN is using the term "attendance" as it's defined in the dictionary.

p.p.s. You mentioned the Bills and their fans. Is that why they are exporting some of their home games to Canada this year?

Texan_Bill
07-28-2008, 02:13 PM
ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/attendance?sort=home_avg&year=2007) says that we are ranked 12th in average attendance in 2007. Not bad for a team that has never had a winning season in it's history. I have to wonder how dedicated those other fans in the cities you mentioned would be if their team had never won more games than they lost.

p.s. I am assuming that ESPN is using the term "attendance" as it's defined in the dictionary.

p.p.s. You mentioned the Bills and their fans. Is that why they are exporting some of their home games to Canada this year?

If you sort it by % capacity, the Texans rank 8th

ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/attendance?sort=home_perc&year=2007)

Porky
07-28-2008, 02:28 PM
The one point bpe makes that irks me to no end is the empty stands at kickoff. When I turn on the TV and see the empty seats, my blood boils. Folks, as TC said, get your asses in your seat by noon PLEASE! Is that too much to ask? This isn't the opera, and arriving fashinably late won't get you noticed by the upper crust.

The problem isn't the passion of the fans, it's the passion of the fans who own the tickets in the lower bowl. All the bigshot lawyers and other monied interests who get the tickets to impress their client or give it as favors to the top seller in the real estate office. These people have about as much passion for the Texans as I do for my dentist.

And as long as the prices of the tickets remain where they are at, that's where it is going to stay. Preaching to the choir isn't an answer. Changing those ticket holders for the REAL fans of the Texans is. Unfortunetly, I don't see Mr. Mcnair too eager to trade the size of his wallet for a full stadium at kick off.

Ckw
07-28-2008, 02:30 PM
Here is mine:

Mr. King,

I am unsure as to whether or not I have ever read quite so ignorant of a blanket statement as you have made about my Houston Texans. Sure, our team has had its ups and downs, or mostly downs over the last six years. But DO NOT ever question the passion of our fan base. We Texans are strongly attached to our football team as our last one, whose name will not be mentioned, was taken away from us by the Possum King. I strongly believe you must have never attended a game here. Walk around the tailgates. Catch a game in the Bull Pen. Check out the consecutive sellouts at Reliant. Our Houston fans love our team.

Perhaps you simply want fans to be rude and angry. Well here you go: Mr King, what you have just said is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever read. Ok nevermind Mr. King. I just don't have it in me to keep on telling you how crazy and uninformed your statement was about my Texans.

All I will say is this: I know how passionate my fellow Texans are about our team. I know we have been willing to stick it out with our team through some of the roughest times of any organization in the league. And just wait until you see how passionate our fans can be when that first playoff game rolls around for us. I know our passion but at that point, you will see just how crazy us Texans really are.

Cody
I'm a Texan!

After a bunch of the ones I have read, mine sucks. But hey, there is strength in numbers. Great emails everybody. :fans:

Specnatz
07-28-2008, 02:37 PM
ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/attendance?sort=home_avg&year=2007) says that we are ranked 12th in average attendance in 2007. Not bad for a team that has never had a winning season in it's history. I have to wonder how dedicated those other fans in the cities you mentioned would be if their team had never won more games than they lost.

p.s. I am assuming that ESPN is using the term "attendance" as it's defined in the dictionary.

p.p.s. You mentioned the Bills and their fans. Is that why they are exporting some of their home games to Canada this year?

If you sort it by % capacity, the Texans rank 8th

ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/attendance?sort=home_perc&year=2007)


A lot of that has to do with how you draw on the raod. OK last year we had Atlanta, Jacksonville and the Raiders. For some odd reason, I guess it is the size of the stadium but Indy ranks dead last in home attendance averages, and they are on our schedule as well. Hell that is the two worst attendance home averages in the league; Oakland and Indy both under 60,000 in home average attendance. Not to mention that since the media does not mention the Houston Texans no name recognition and some people just will think oh it is the Texans easy win and figure it is a good day to make sure the wife is happy (or husband for you die hard ladies out there).

If you look at attendance at home we averaged 70,519 .. nax capacity, less the standing room only stuff.

If you look at road attendance .. 64,483 ranked dead last.

Overall attendance .. 67,501 rank 20th.

These are avg attendance numbers. We played some teams on the raod this past year that were not drawing well, and couple that with name recognition and star power of players, this is what you get.

hobie
07-28-2008, 02:49 PM
I do have to say ticket sales and actual attendance are 2 different things..I know we do not have a full house every game, shoot, I see alot of blocks of empty seats every game. So sure, we sell out every game, but actual butts in seats, we do not.
It is what it is....and honestly, I couldn't care less if there are 20K or 70K, I am there and the other die hards are there as well. We know the reason we cheer the team on, and we are passionate about it as well.
For those who chose to come in late, or not at all, that is your choice, as you paid for your ticket as we did, but if you are the ones who think because you have had those seats since day #1, that you are really a fan of the team, think again. Fans stop what they are doing to cheer the players on from the get go..Fans go inside even if it means putting down the free beers and food..Fans stay til the final gun sounds, not caring if the post game tailgate has started yet without them..
I thought about writing PK, then I thought, why waste my time...if you don't get it, then you just don't get it !!

Texan_Bill
07-28-2008, 02:57 PM
A lot of that has to do with how you draw on the raod. OK last year we had Atlanta, Jacksonville and the Raiders. For some odd reason, I guess it is the size of the stadium but Indy ranks dead last in home attendance averages, and they are on our schedule as well. Hell that is the two worst attendance home averages in the league; Oakland and Indy both under 60,000 in home average attendance. Not to mention that since the media does not mention the Houston Texans no name recognition and some people just will think oh it is the Texans easy win and figure it is a good day to make sure the wife is happy (or husband for you die hard ladies out there).

If you look at attendance at home we averaged 70,519 .. nax capacity, less the standing room only stuff.

If you look at road attendance .. 64,483 ranked dead last.

Overall attendance .. 67,501 rank 20th.

These are avg attendance numbers. We played some teams on the raod this past year that were not drawing well, and couple that with name recognition and star power of players, this is what you get.

Who cares about road attendance?? Are we going to those games? We are talking about Houston Texan fans and our passion. It's not our fault that Jacksonville had to get permission to tarp off about 15,000 seats and still have a hard time selling out....

The Pencil Neck
07-28-2008, 03:02 PM
Are you guys just filling out the "peter king's mailbag" from the first link in this thread or do you have is actual email address?

I put mine into his Mailbag.

Texanfan4ever
07-28-2008, 03:09 PM
I sent the following to him:

Mr. King, talk about showing your ignorance....in your redskinblog about our Houston Texans.....What do you know about our team? Have you ever said anything based on knowledge? I think not. Obviously, to say we have no passion I would presume that you weren't at our Thursday night game last year against the Bronco's, Battle Red Day. Our stadium was lit up red, the air outside was charged with electricity unlike anything you have probably ever experienced. When walking into the stadium the noise was deafening. Everyone was on their feet. Upon entering your seats, looking down at the field, there was our team, OUR Houston Texans, all in BATTLE RED, as our quarterback scored in the first 5 minutes of the game. Denver was history. They were mutilated and stomped by the likes of OUR Mario Williams, not Reggie Bush. Our second string quarterback led our team to victory one play at a time, not Vince Young.

This is just a sample of the passion that us fans have. This goes on every week, whether we are at a home game in Reliant Stadium or in a sportsbar or friends house when we are out of town. We bleed battle red, steel blue, and liberty white. So we take great offense at your obvious ignorance about our team and our passion. Next time, do your homework before you open your mouth.

HOU-TEX
07-28-2008, 03:14 PM
I sure hope johnsonfan doesn't get wind of this thread. :voodoo:

keyser
07-28-2008, 03:34 PM
I put mine into his Mailbag.

Same here. That was the only place I found to submit email.

Brando
07-28-2008, 03:51 PM
I sure hope johnsonfan doesn't get wind of this thread. :voodoo:

whut r u talkin abuot? Texans fanz ar pashunat about are teem! Go Tight'uns lolz

bpe3
07-28-2008, 03:51 PM
ESPN says that we are ranked 12th in average attendance in 2007.

As already touched on above. In NFL parlance, "attendance" means tickets sold and credentials (press, concessions, employees, security. etc.) issued, not bodies in the stadium. The Texas are great at selling seats, they just aren't great at getting people to actually watch a football game.

The Club Level is a joke. 75% of people holding very expensive club level tickets would rather stand around the Spur Bar or the Star Bar sipping cocktails and chit chatting rather than watching the football game going on only a 100 yards away. Honestly, I just don't get these people. Why not just go to a sports bar? Oh wait, there's no sports bar with a $250/person cover charge to keep the riff raff (aka people like us) out. Maybe River Oaks Country Club or Houston Polo Club should start a semi-private game watching party so the Club Level seats can filter down to some actual fans.

Even worse, I can't tell you how many Texan "fans" I spoken to who have "bragged" about going to Club Level even though they had seats elsewhere in the stadium. In my opinion it's sort of like bragging about your family member who's in the pokey for running a meth lab, but to each his own. The problem is that for each of these club level crashers, and there are a lot of them, there's a seat elsewhere in the stadium going to waste.

Oh well. Maybe things will be differnt in 10-20 years. I'm not going anywhere.

bpe3

Texan_Bill
07-28-2008, 03:54 PM
We're jealous!!!



Signed,

Football Bar and Horshoe Bar

Speedy
07-28-2008, 04:35 PM
If you look at attendance at home we averaged 70,519 .. nax capacity, less the standing room only stuff.

If you look at road attendance .. 64,483 ranked dead last.

Overall attendance .. 67,501 rank 20th.

These are avg attendance numbers. We played some teams on the raod this past year that were not drawing well, and couple that with name recognition and star power of players, this is what you get.

Well, when Indy doesn't even hold 60,000 and J-ville is covering up half their stadium, and those PASSIONATE Raider fans can only gather 49,000 for a game, it's hard to get that road average up.

49,000? I'd just about bet anything the Texans NEVER have a game attendance/tickets sold that low. EVER!

Texanfan4ever
07-28-2008, 05:01 PM
As already touched on above. In NFL parlance, "attendance" means tickets sold and credentials (press, concessions, employees, security. etc.) issued, not bodies in the stadium. The Texas are great at selling seats, they just aren't great at getting people to actually watch a football game.

The Club Level is a joke. 75% of people holding very expensive club level tickets would rather stand around the Spur Bar or the Star Bar sipping cocktails and chit chatting rather than watching the football game going on only a 100 yards away. Honestly, I just don't get these people. Why not just go to a sports bar? Oh wait, there's no sports bar with a $250/person cover charge to keep the riff raff (aka people like us) out. Maybe River Oaks Country Club or Houston Polo Club should start a semi-private game watching party so the Club Level seats can filter down to some actual fans.

Even worse, I can't tell you how many Texan "fans" I spoken to who have "bragged" about going to Club Level even though they had seats elsewhere in the stadium. In my opinion it's sort of like bragging about your family member who's in the pokey for running a meth lab, but to each his own. The problem is that for each of these club level crashers, and there are a lot of them, there's a seat elsewhere in the stadium going to waste.

Oh well. Maybe things will be differnt in 10-20 years. I'm not going anywhere.

bpe3


Those "fans" up in club level that are not in their seats, are questionable.....I think that whole level is somewhat of a joke, other than during rodeo. We have seats in 119, and even before the "roof policy" we were sitting there every game.. Those seats in Club are mostly empty. I have access to a couple of seats up there, and I won't sit there. I want to be down with the fans and all the noise. And I don't want anyone telling me to be quiet or sit down when something big happens. Our section is loud and that is how I like it. We are on the end with the Bull pen. How many days left, 11????

PapaL
07-28-2008, 05:25 PM
I sure hope johnsonfan doesn't get wind of this thread. :voodoo:


Seriously..I was JUST thinking that.

You know that assclown would be the one that would published.

Señor Stan
07-28-2008, 05:29 PM
Seriously..I was JUST thinking that.

You know that assclown would be the one that would published.

I'm starting to think that Johnsonfan was actually an LOLcat. I'm 90% sure of this.

GuerillaBlack
07-28-2008, 06:37 PM
That's what I have been trying to say. It's nothing to be all angry over, it just comes with time and winning. The teams you and I mentioned, have a winning tradition, the franchise never relocated, and was established during a different economic era. Just the nature of what is going on at this particular time.:goodpost:

I kind of agree. I wonder if we kept the Oiler history (but still had the players/coaches/staff we do now), that our stadium would be full at kickoff.

Still, Texans are in the top-half in the league in terms of attendance.

A lot of that has to do with how you draw on the raod. OK last year we had Atlanta, Jacksonville and the Raiders. For some odd reason, I guess it is the size of the stadium but Indy ranks dead last in home attendance averages, and they are on our schedule as well. Hell that is the two worst attendance home averages in the league; Oakland and Indy both under 60,000 in home average attendance. Not to mention that since the media does not mention the Houston Texans no name recognition and some people just will think oh it is the Texans easy win and figure it is a good day to make sure the wife is happy (or husband for you die hard ladies out there).

If you look at attendance at home we averaged 70,519 .. nax capacity, less the standing room only stuff.

If you look at road attendance .. 64,483 ranked dead last.

Overall attendance .. 67,501 rank 20th.

These are avg attendance numbers. We played some teams on the raod this past year that were not drawing well, and couple that with name recognition and star power of players, this is what you get.

Don't forget size of the stadium (for Indy). They sellout every game. It's going to shoot up for them this year.

aj.
07-28-2008, 06:53 PM
The problem isn't the passion of the fans, it's the passion of the fans who own the tickets in the lower bowl. .... These people have about as much passion for the Texans as I do for my dentist...... Changing those ticket holders for the REAL fans of the Texans is.

I own tickets in the lower bowl, and I know a lot of other people in here do as well. I'd be careful with the broad brush.

SheTexan
07-28-2008, 07:07 PM
Careful Porky!! The Bullpen's in the lower bowl!:shetexan:

Kaiser Toro
07-28-2008, 08:01 PM
Low Bowler here.

Wolf
07-28-2008, 08:22 PM
maybe someone can send king the 2007 Texans video
It has a little of everything


I promise it is not a rick roll and is legit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyokqdaZjqc&feature=related

pittbull3
07-28-2008, 08:31 PM
The one point bpe makes that irks me to no end is the empty stands at kickoff. When I turn on the TV and see the empty seats, my blood boils. Folks, as TC said, get your asses in your seat by noon PLEASE! Is that too much to ask? This isn't the opera, and arriving fashinably late won't get you noticed by the upper crust.

The problem isn't the passion of the fans, it's the passion of the fans who own the tickets in the lower bowl. All the bigshot lawyers and other monied interests who get the tickets to impress their client or give it as favors to the top seller in the real estate office. These people have about as much passion for the Texans as I do for my dentist.

And as long as the prices of the tickets remain where they are at, that's where it is going to stay. Preaching to the choir isn't an answer. Changing those ticket holders for the REAL fans of the Texans is. Unfortunetly, I don't see Mr. Mcnair too eager to trade the size of his wallet for a full stadium at kick off.

Again! That is what I'm saying Porky. The economics of the game have changed. The corporations own most of those lower bowl seats and the blue collar guy, who IS more passionate watches at home. This is what TICKED me off to no end. I had seats around me that were either empty, or a new shmoe each week, with no Texans gear, drinking all day, up and down in his seat to take a leak, and the list goes on. I can't stand those type of fans. With Peter King, I think this is more his reference.....:thinking:

Texans_Chick
07-28-2008, 09:53 PM
Again! That is what I'm saying Porky. The economics of the game have changed. The corporations own most of those lower bowl seats and the blue collar guy, who IS more passionate watches at home. This is what TICKED me off to no end. I had seats around me that were either empty, or a new shmoe each week, with no Texans gear, drinking all day, up and down in his seat to take a leak, and the list goes on. I can't stand those type of fans. With Peter King, I think this is more his reference.....:thinking:


You are giving him too much credit. He grouped us all together, low bowl high bowl whatever as fans that lack passion.

Nick, the editor of HoustonTexans.com added this as a comment:

No problem. If Peter King actually said that (hopefully that Redskins blog is a reliable source), then I think he's seriously misinformed. I checked with our VP of Comm. and apparently Peter King has been to at least one Texans game at Reliant Stadium. It was the 2002 opener against the Dallas Cowboys. Just guessing (since I wasn't there), but I'd put $$$ down that there were some passionate Texans fans at that game.

A very fun game shutting them fathead Cowboy fans up. Though not much like watching real NFL football. It was odd.

I enjoy reading the Football Perspectus, but it hasn't been until this last year where what we were seeing on the field really meant stuff statistically, like a real NFL team. Before there was so much messed up stuff it was hard to distinguish between various messed up stuff.

Everybody, keep on demonstrating the real passion Texans fans have for their team....send them emails in.

:texflag:

(I'm going to have limited email access over the next week, so if I don't keep commenting on this, that's the reason. I hope to find some interesting comment from King in my inbox).

pittbull3
07-29-2008, 09:02 AM
I understand he grouped all together, but unfortunately, fans are never broken apart by fans/non-fans. The Philly fans are known for throwing things at "Satan Clause", the Oakland fans are known for the Black hole idiots that fight all day, the cleveland fans are known for throwing dog biscuits, when in reality, it was just the dog pound. You will always be grouped by association, if you call yourself a fan of a certain team, that has a national reputation, and the fans are recognized to be extremist or passive. Unfortunately, we are not known by the Passionate Bull Pen yet. The most passionate fans. The Bull Pen tends to be overshadowed by the 10,000 empty seats at game time, wuith those fans finishing up budweisers in the parking lot or pounding them away in the concourse level. Until we change that perception, perception becomes his reality. Even though we may feel or know different.:thinking:

PapaL
07-29-2008, 10:51 AM
I'm starting to think that Johnsonfan was actually an LOLcat. I'm 90% sure of this.

I think it might be someone's alternate personality.

Would it not be funny if it was Vinny? I can picture him at him LOL while writing all that crap just to mess with us.

TexanBacker93
07-29-2008, 12:11 PM
Here's my email.

Mr. King,

You recently made a comment about the lack of passion shown by Houston Texans fans. You are assuming that because the fans don’t write to you and complain to you that we don’t care about our team. Have you come to experience a game at Reliant? Have you bonded with fellow Texans fans over brisket, corn on the cob, and cold Buds? Fans here don’t waste time writing to you whining about your hatred for us because we know that the national media doesn’t care enough about us to hate us. Yet. Our team has been ridiculed because we dared draft Mario Williams instead of the great media hyped Reggie Bush. We were a national joke because our QB was unable to stay upright. We have to listen to east coast bias about every move our organization makes. Continue as much as you want. I know that until the Texans start winning we won’t even matter to you. Y’all saw a glimpse during our game against the Broncos last year on NFL Network. You come down here and spend Monday night with us when we play the Jaguars. We’ll show you what passion really is. We’re ready. The question that must be asked is….will you be?

TexanBacker93

TexanSam
07-29-2008, 01:10 PM
He usually has a MMQB Tuesday edition that answers a few emails. Either he's not having one this week or it hasn't been posted on SI.com.

pittbull3
07-29-2008, 01:45 PM
The other thing I noticed, besides the lack of fans in their seats at game time, ws the readio plugs and website ads for single game tickets.....This is the other aspect that the national media looks at, when making the statement that king made. No way, no how, is their single seats available in some of the franchises previously mentioned. The only single seat you can get, is when the players give their tickets to scalpers,to make extra money.....:chickendance:

DiehardChris
07-29-2008, 06:42 PM
Here's my two cents (http://www.houstondiehards.com/?p=590).

Double Barrel
07-29-2008, 06:53 PM
The other thing I noticed, besides the lack of fans in their seats at game time, ws the readio plugs and website ads for single game tickets.....This is the other aspect that the national media looks at, when making the statement that king made. No way, no how, is their single seats available in some of the franchises previously mentioned. The only single seat you can get, is when the players give their tickets to scalpers,to make extra money.....

I have visited quite a few NFL teams' websites and found single game tickets available through Ticketmaster (not a scalping agency).

So yeah, way. :thinking:

Texan_Bill
07-29-2008, 07:08 PM
If I'm not mistaken home teams reserve "x" amount of seats for family and friends of opposing or 'visiting' teams. Depending on how many of "x" seats are accounted for the balance "y" seats go on sale as single game seats....


Could be wrong about that - though.



PS. Peter King is still an asshat!!!

aj.
07-29-2008, 08:53 PM
I just went on the Browns website and through the re-direct to ticketmaster, found single game tickets available for their home games against the Broncos, Texans and Bengals.

I seriously don't think the 'national media' looks at things such as single game ticket sales as a measure of fan passion across the country. Some people are giving these guys wayyy too much credit. (if King can generalize, so can I) They don't research. They flap with the wind, go with the 'hot story', report what others have told them, and seek the best buffet. If we were winning playoff games, Peter King and many of his ilk would be kissing our asses. It's a disgusting profession in a way...

pittbull3
07-29-2008, 11:15 PM
I have visited quite a few NFL teams' websites and found single game tickets available through Ticketmaster (not a scalping agency).

So yeah, way. :thinking:

I can only speak from my personal experience with Pittsburgh. You will not find single tickets, unless you are on Ebay. I do agree with AJ though, and I mentioned this earlier. National likes will only follow winning teams and quite frankly, we dont have a consistent winning team, nor a HUGE national story. Once that happens, they may say we have good fans. Until then, why worry about it!:thisbig:

Texan_Bill
07-30-2008, 09:24 AM
Steelers Individual Game Tickets Available For 2008 Season Through Ticketmaster

PITTSBURGH — A limited number of individual game tickets for the Steelers 2008 home games are available through Ticketmaster beginning on Saturday, June 21, at noon. This marks the second consecutive season fans will be able to purchase the tickets through Ticketmaster.

Fans may buy up to four tickets total for the eight regular-season games while there is no limit for the two preseason home contests. A majority of the tickets will be priced at either $59 or $62. However, there will be single seats available at prices ranging from $59-$240.

Tickets will be sold either on www.ticketmaster.com or by calling 412-323-1919. American Express, MasterCard, Visa and Discover will be accepted by Ticketmaster. Tickets will not be sold at Ticketmaster outlets.

Since there are a limited number of tickets available, tickets are expected to sell out very quickly.


Steelers 2008 Preseason Schedule


Date Opponent Time (TV)

Friday, Aug. 8............................. PHILADELPHIA.......................... 7:30 p.m. (KDKA/FSNPittsburgh)
Thursday, Aug. 28..................... CAROLINA.................................. 7:30 p.m. (KDKA/FSN Pittsburgh)



Steelers 2008 Regular Season Schedule



Date Opponent Time (TV)

Sunday, Sept. 7.......................... HOUSTON................................... 1 p.m. (CBS)
Monday, Sept. 29....................... BALTIMORE................................ 8:30 p.m. (ESPN)
Sunday, Oct. 26.......................... NEW YORK GIANTS................. 4:15 p.m. (FOX)
Sunday, Nov. 9........................... INDIANAPOLIS........................... 4:15 p.m. (CBS)
Sunday, Nov. 16 *...................... SAN DIEGO................................. 4:15 p.m. (CBS)
Thursday, Nov. 20..................... CINCINNATI................................ 8:15 p.m. (NFL Network)
Sunday, Dec. 7 *........................ DALLAS....................................... 4:15 p.m. (FOX)
Sunday, Dec. 28 *...................... CLEVELAND............................... 1 p.m. (CBS)




Link: Steelers.com Article: Steelers Individual Game Tickets Available For 2008 Season Through Ticketmaster (http://www.steelers.com/article/89947/)

hobie
07-30-2008, 09:39 AM
Link: Steelers.com Article: Steelers Individual Game Tickets Available For 2008 Season Through Ticketmaster (http://www.steelers.com/article/89947/)



Man, you put to bed that theory about Pittsburgh having no tickets available..

Kaiser Toro
07-30-2008, 10:03 AM
Where is the passion in Pittsburgh?

Texan_Bill
07-30-2008, 10:14 AM
Where is the passion in Pittsburgh?

lol:

Double Barrel
07-30-2008, 11:06 AM
I can only speak from my personal experience with Pittsburgh. You will not find single tickets, unless you are on Ebay. I do agree with AJ though, and I mentioned this earlier. National likes will only follow winning teams and quite frankly, we dont have a consistent winning team, nor a HUGE national story. Once that happens, they may say we have good fans. Until then, why worry about it!:thisbig:

No problem, but that's not really what you said earlier:

The other thing I noticed, besides the lack of fans in their seats at game time, ws the readio plugs and website ads for single game tickets.....This is the other aspect that the national media looks at, when making the statement that king made. No way, no how, is their single seats available in some of the franchises previously mentioned. The only single seat you can get, is when the players give their tickets to scalpers,to make extra money.....:chickendance:

Obviously, this has been disputed. :tiphat:

My point is that, with few exceptions, most fans show up in numbers when their team is winning, and not so much during 2-14 seasons.

But regardless, the point is that King stated: "The fans of the Houston Texans are not passionate."

Which is pure horse crap. While the nature of PSLs and corporate seats do change the dynamics of home games in the modern age of football, King was pointing at ALL Texans fans. And this is the crux of the matter, because the carpetbaggin' yellow-dog media always takes the opportunity to disparage the south.

This city loves the Texans, as evidenced by the logo that you see everywhere. And for a team that has never sported a winning season, the fact that you still see Texans gear and memorabilia on a consistent basis is proof enough that there is passion in this fanbase.

Texan_Bill
07-30-2008, 11:17 AM
Is he a 'carpet bagger' or a 'scallawag'? :thinking: I always get the two confused.... :gun:

pittbull3
07-30-2008, 01:26 PM
No problem, but that's not really what you said earlier:



Obviously, this has been disputed. :tiphat:

My point is that, with few exceptions, most fans show up in numbers when their team is winning, and not so much during 2-14 seasons.

But regardless, the point is that King stated: "The fans of the Houston Texans are not passionate."

Which is pure horse crap. While the nature of PSLs and corporate seats do change the dynamics of home games in the modern age of football, King was pointing at ALL Texans fans. And this is the crux of the matter, because the carpetbaggin' yellow-dog media always takes the opportunity to disparage the south.

This city loves the Texans, as evidenced by the logo that you see everywhere. And for a team that has never sported a winning season, the fact that you still see Texans gear and memorabilia on a consistent basis is proof enough that there is passion in this fanbase.

I'm with you on Houston having a good fan base. I do know the passion behind the real fans, because I have been with them from the beginning, and have stuck with them through the losing. I'm one who bought seasons ticket living in PGH, flew down for home games, was taken in by the Blue crew, partied, ate, drank, became merry, and adopted the nickname "PittBull" - (Pittsburgh Bull), compliments of Joe Texan! (So if there is another, point out the imposter!) Moved to Houston a year later and haven't looked back. But, I just know from my standpoint. Growing up in Pittsburgh, family 35 yr season ticket holders, going to the stadium from birth (Three Rivers to Heinz Field), even until now when back home on vacation, there is a slight difference in the air. WE WILL GET THAT FEELING THOUGH. IT's CONFIDENCE.....There is so much confidence, it takes on bravado and arrogance. They expect success and won't accept less. The city accepts it, they feed off it. And that is what makes the fan base radical in that city. As for the others, who knows. Only thing I know, when the Texans invade Pittsburgh Sept 7th, I'll be there! Texan gear, in my old section, making sure Texan fans are represented all over!:texflag:

Texan_Bill
07-30-2008, 01:33 PM
How's this for passion?

October 20, 1996 Pittsburgh Steelers v. Houston Oilers. Not only did the Oilers win 23-13, but Texan_Bill releived a Steelers fan of their 'Terrible Towel' and promptly rigged to the back of his truck and drove through the Dome parking lot....

;)

Wolf
07-30-2008, 01:44 PM
I think when you talk about confidence.. kinda what I gather on "battle red day" .now I have not been to reliant, but judging by the atmosphere or tone of the board and by what it looks like on TV .. awesome

I think of our fans as passionate.. and like someone said. If some of us have stuck with this team through thick and thin of 2002 and on (and even later, I don't want this to be a pissing contest of who has been a fan first)

While I think we all are passionate fans, I do believe it kicks into another level AMONG some of the fans.. some fans seem to get up for every game, some are there but boy it seems to rise a bit when it is either battle red day or playing Jacksonville or the Cowboys ..rivalries is where it is at for some.

This season I think we will see a kick in the fan department, why? because even though every game is and has been important to Texan fans whether it was a game that we just wanted to be competitive in(2002) or a game that we just want to beat a division opponent, to now , the next step.. we have shown that we can beat teams in the rest of the NFL.. we have to start beating teams within our division and get closer to a playoff spot ..What I like about the AFC south right now is how tough it is and with each game should seem like a playoff game because there is such a small room for error with a loss.. with that creates rivalries (face it Jags are are only real rivalries between fans and team (because we have beat them when it meant something) and INDY and Tenn .. even though division opponents(and yes I don't like Bud and payton), we haven't hurt them in their playoff chances so even though we might consider them rivals, to me we dont' get the same "buzz" from them like Jag fans .(if that makes any sense)

Double Barrel
07-30-2008, 01:50 PM
I'm with you on Houston having a good fan base. I do know the passion behind the real fans, because I have been with them from the beginning, and have stuck with them through the losing. I'm one who bought seasons ticket living in PGH, flew down for home games, was taken in by the Blue crew, partied, ate, drank, became merry, and adopted the nickname "PittBull" - (Pittsburgh Bull), compliments of Joe Texan! (So if there is another, point out the imposter!) Moved to Houston a year later and haven't looked back. But, I just know from my standpoint. Growing up in Pittsburgh, family 35 yr season ticket holders, going to the stadium from birth (Three Rivers to Heinz Field), even until now when back home on vacation, there is a slight difference in the air. WE WILL GET THAT FEELING THOUGH. IT's CONFIDENCE.....There is so much confidence, it takes on bravado and arrogance. They expect success and won't accept less. The city accepts it, they feed off it. And that is what makes the fan base radical in that city. As for the others, who knows. Only thing I know, when the Texans invade Pittsburgh Sept 7th, I'll be there! Texan gear, in my old section, making sure Texan fans are represented all over!:texflag:

I hear ya', man.

But, in all fairness, there are certain franchises that are simply legendary. I would put the Steelers and Packers in that category. They have long-standing traditions and rabid fanbases, and a few championship trophies in the case doesn't hurt, either. So I always give props to those teams and their fanbase, simply because that is what I want our Texans to aspire to: greatness.

It's a bit unfair to compare the 6-season Texans to those teams, though. I understand your perspective, and it certainly has some validity. We just need some success to galvanize Houston fans into the cohesive base that creates a "House of Pain" atmosphere for our home games.

Give it time, it'll happen. I believe! :texflag:

Wolf
07-30-2008, 01:51 PM
I hear ya', man.

But, in all fairness, there are certain franchises that are simply legendary. I would put the Steelers and Packers in that category. They have long-standing traditions and rabid fanbases, and a few championship trophies in the case doesn't hurt, either. So I always give props to those teams and their fanbase, simply because that is what I want our Texans to aspire to: greatness.

It's a bit unfair to compare the 6-season Texans to those teams, though. I understand your perspective, and it certainly has some validity. We just need some success to galvanize Houston fans into the cohesive base that creates a "House of Pain" atmosphere for our home games.

Give it time, it'll happen. I believe! :texflag:

EXACTLY DB

TexansLucky13
07-30-2008, 01:55 PM
I hear ya', man.

But, in all fairness, there are certain franchises that are simply legendary. I would put the Steelers and Packers in that category. They have long-standing traditions and rabid fanbases, and a few championship trophies in the case doesn't hurt, either. So I always give props to those teams and their fanbase, simply because that is what I want our Texans to aspire to: greatness.

It's a bit unfair to compare the 6-season Texans to those teams, though. I understand your perspective, and it certainly has some validity. We just need some success to galvanize Houston fans into the cohesive base that creates a "House of Pain" atmosphere for our home games.

Give it time, it'll happen. I believe! :texflag:

Agreed!

Someday people will be asking "Why can't (insert team name here) fans be as dedicated as Texans fans?"

Many of us are already Die-Hard Texans fans for life, but it's hard for guys like Peter King to understand that. We love this team and we support them in their times of need and in their times of greatness. That's what makes a true fan.

:texflag:

P.S. - Must spread rep... blah blah

pittbull3
07-30-2008, 05:26 PM
How's this for passion?

October 20, 1996 Pittsburgh Steelers v. Houston Oilers. Not only did the Oilers win 23-13, but Texan_Bill releived a Steelers fan of their 'Terrible Towel' and promptly rigged to the back of his truck and drove through the Dome parking lot....

;)

Easy Bill, I still have a passion for my Steeler Teams up to 2002. That was a dismal game.:wild:

pittbull3
07-30-2008, 05:27 PM
I hear ya', man.

But, in all fairness, there are certain franchises that are simply legendary. I would put the Steelers and Packers in that category. They have long-standing traditions and rabid fanbases, and a few championship trophies in the case doesn't hurt, either. So I always give props to those teams and their fanbase, simply because that is what I want our Texans to aspire to: greatness.

It's a bit unfair to compare the 6-season Texans to those teams, though. I understand your perspective, and it certainly has some validity. We just need some success to galvanize Houston fans into the cohesive base that creates a "House of Pain" atmosphere for our home games.

Give it time, it'll happen. I believe! :texflag:

I hear you on that! "House of Pain!":aggressive:

Señor Stan
08-04-2008, 02:20 PM
Texan fans lead the division... (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcsouth/0-3-10/Mailbag--Texans-fans-establish-early-lead.html)

In letters written to this ESPiN training camp blogger.

Take that Peter King!

Texans_Chick
08-05-2008, 09:20 PM
Because I love to make you guys laugh:

Peter King Wants You To Hate Him To Prove Your Fandom/ (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/08/05/peter-king-wants-you-to-hate-him-to-prove-your-fandom/)

Be sure to click on the video. :cool:

Second Honeymoon
08-05-2008, 10:31 PM
How's this for passion?

October 20, 1996 Pittsburgh Steelers v. Houston Oilers. Not only did the Oilers win 23-13, but Texan_Bill releived a Steelers fan of their 'Terrible Towel' and promptly rigged to the back of his truck and drove through the Dome parking lot....

;)

That was you? you mother f'er :)

something tells me TB had a few that day :) i know i did. i was in my mid-20s. that was the 'sweet spot' of my drinking career. i remember us just destroying the Steelers on National TV during the Buddy Ryan year. O'Donnell just got his arse worked. I remember drinking more than a few Budweiser tallboys and burning a few bowls before the game in the Astrodome parking lot.

Second Honeymoon
08-05-2008, 10:45 PM
I have visited quite a few NFL teams' websites and found single game tickets available through Ticketmaster (not a scalping agency).

So yeah, way. :thinking:

you can get a ticket to anything you want. money talks and bull**** walks. some team's tickets are far more coveted but everything has its price.

king was way out of line on this one. To equate Houston fans with Arizona fans is just WAY out of line. Bud may have taken the name and uniforms, but he didn't take the passion. LuvYaBlue, HouseOfPain, all the letdowns but still believing the next year. We have earned our stripes, Mr. King. Spend less time up Brady's ass and apologize to the great State of Texas for even implying that Texans fans are similar to Arizona Cardinals fans. Shame on you, King.

pittbull3
08-06-2008, 02:03 PM
I was talking to my dad last night and he made a valid point about the "passionate fan" rant. In some of the towns that have been mentioned, passion extends into the city. Reason being, these are 3rd and 4th generation fans. Grew up watching, cheering, seeinng mom, dad, uncles, cousins, etc tailgate, go to games, host parties, and be completely emotional each week over their respective team......Unfortunately for Houston, we may have at the slightest a 2nd generation fan, depending on the age of the kid. With that being said, passion hasn't hit yet all over, but within a certain segment (maybe 30,000-50,000), yes. The other 20,000-40,000 are no shows and corporate fans at reliant.:texflag:

Texan_Bill
08-06-2008, 02:14 PM
What I don't agree about that assessment is that pro-football has been here since 1960. Many passionate Texans fans were passionate Oilers fans.

Double Barrel
08-06-2008, 02:24 PM
What I don't agree about that assessment is that pro-football has been here since 1960. Many passionate Texans fans were passionate Oilers fans.

Yep. I'd say that most of today's Texans fans over 35 years old were Oilers fans when they were in Houston.

I went to the last Oilers/Steelers game, too (with Jungle Bob from the TDC!). We got there before the game started, but didn't take our seats until the end of the 1st qtr. Nobody expected fans to show up (although it was probably well over half were Steelers fans). That was a fun day. Even though we knew it was a lame-duck franchise, many of us still held a passion for our team to see them at least one more time before they dumped us.

Texan_Bill
08-06-2008, 02:36 PM
Yep. I'd say that most of today's Texans fans over 35 years old were Oilers fans when they were in Houston.

I went to the last Oilers/Steelers game, too (with Jungle Bob from the TDC!). We got there before the game started, but didn't take our seats until the end of the 1st qtr. Nobody expected fans to show up (although it was probably well over half were Steelers fans). That was a fun day. Even though we knew it was a lame-duck franchise, many of us still held a passion for our team to see them at least one more time before they dumped us.

Fun game indeed.

Found this:
A raucous crowd of 50,337 at the Astrodome -- the largest crowd in two years -- evoked memories of the days of Luv Ya Blue, the House of Pain and Buddy Ryan punching the assistant coach Kelvin Gilbride on the sidelines of a nationally televised game. It was like the good old playoff days for a lame-duck team whose two previous crowds were smaller than a memorial service for Ebenezer Scrooge.


Oilers wound up 8-8 as a lame duck team with Chris Chandelier aka Chris "Glass Jaw" Chandler at the helm...

pittbull3
08-06-2008, 06:18 PM
What I don't agree about that assessment is that pro-football has been here since 1960. Many passionate Texans fans were passionate Oilers fans.

And I believe the passionate Texan fans number between 30,000-50,000. Just the nature of free agency and the way people jump ship. When there is a lag in a city, fans move to different teams, but more than that, those in the house that watch mom and dad go nuts every sunday, don't see it on a weekly and yearly basis either. They chose teams to follow and usually based upon who is winning at the time, how cool the uniforms look, or their favorite Madden Video game team.:fans:

Texan_Bill
08-06-2008, 06:25 PM
And I believe the passionate Texan fans number between 30,000-50,000. Just the nature of free agency and the way people jump ship. When there is a lag in a city, fans move to different teams, but more than that, those in the house that watch mom and dad go nuts every sunday, don't see it on a weekly and yearly basis either. They chose teams to follow and usually based upon who is winning at the time, how cool the uniforms look, or their favorite Madden Video game team.:fans:

Certainly not agreeing with your estimate of 30,000 to 50,000. Attendance? Since when does that determine a teams fan base? Not flaming you pittbull - just not following your logic.

pittbull3
08-06-2008, 07:43 PM
Certainly not agreeing with your estimate of 30,000 to 50,000. Attendance? Since when does that determine a teams fan base? Not flaming you pittbull - just not following your logic.


Texan Bill. I'm not saying we have a fan base of 30,000-50,000, but the attendance that shows up and ready to go gameday. The other 20,000 are givinng their tickets away, going to UT, A&M, Tech, or Baylor games, instead of being in their seats for kick-off 12:00pm sunday. You don't find this at other stadiums and their fan base. I personally love the dedicated fans here in Houston, and I'm one of them. But, we are ridiculed for the amount of opposing fans that enter Reliant, along with the many empty seasts that are shown on tv every sunday. The only time the seast are full, are for Sunday night events and when the cowgirls come in town. I may be all over the place, but there is a bone I have had to pick for a long time, and peter king just dug it up.:cowboy1:

aj.
08-06-2008, 08:27 PM
Pittbull, how passionate were Steelers fans in the mid to late 1960's when they were playing at old Pitt Stadium and in the final stages of nearly 40 years of futility and sucky teams?

Texans_Chick
08-06-2008, 08:39 PM
Yep. I'd say that most of today's Texans fans over 35 years old were Oilers fans when they were in Houston.

I went to the last Oilers/Steelers game, too (with Jungle Bob from the TDC!). We got there before the game started, but didn't take our seats until the end of the 1st qtr. Nobody expected fans to show up (although it was probably well over half were Steelers fans). That was a fun day. Even though we knew it was a lame-duck franchise, many of us still held a passion for our team to see them at least one more time before they dumped us.


I was at that game too. It was cool and sad at the same time. I wasn't a season ticket holder, and I had played my usual Sunday morning flag football that I did back in the day. (football playing in the morning, pizza and couch sitting in the afternoon). It was rainy and I couldn't have had any more mud on me.

So I head home ready to watch the game, and hear them doing the pregame on the radio. Last Oilers-Steelers blah blah blah. And I just started crying as I'm driving home. Dangit, there's no crying in football!!!! I was so sad that Houston would never have football again. That this rivalry I watched was going to be gone forever. I grieved.

All my buds were busy doing other stuff that day, so I decided instead of watching the game byself at home and being totally bummed out, I'd call a ticket broker last second to see the price for a single ticket in the best seat in the house which in the Astrodome meant sucky because it was a sorry place to watch a football game. Selling for face, so I told him to hold it and I showered up as fast as I could and picked up the ticket.

As I recall, there was some sort of car show going on that day and the traffic getting into the stadium couldn't be any worse. They didn't have enough police officers directing things. So I got in at the beginning of the second quarter. Ended up sitting next to an Aggie-Steeler fan--go figure. He was giving Oiler fans around us the bidness because the Steelers were up. But eventually the Oilers won, and shut those PA fans way the heck up.

And then after the game, the Oiler players came to the walls and chatted with us fans. And that's how I grieved the end of pro football in Houston, and entered the sadness that was not knowing what to do with my Sunday afternoons because it just made me sad watching the NFL.

There's lots of us old Oiler fans. Now it is even easier to root for my team because it is 100% Bud-free. He is and was absolutely a mortifying, embarrasing cheap vulgarian.

This city is a football town. Once the Texans get more on the winning track, this city is going to blow up. Beating Pittsburgh on the road would be an amazing encouraging start.

Sorry I missed you, DB. :fans:

aj.
08-06-2008, 09:21 PM
The entire '96 season was bittersweet at best (the Steelers game) and wretchedly painful as a rule. I went to all the games that year and it sucked - in part because I could see that Fisher had something special going on with a couple of young players named McNair and George and a defense with an attitude.

I don't recall the players coming to the sidelines after the Steelers game that year - which was mid-season as I recall and very well attended - they may have but I don't remember - but I do recall them doing that after the final game in the Dome against the Bengals which was nothing less than a sad funeral for me. It was as depressing as it gets as a sports fan. Players were throwing all kinds of crap into the stands .. jerseys included.

Our seats were in Section 470, Row 4, Seats 1-2, right under Bud's private box - I'm talking about within earshot and eye contact. My seat was right on the aisle and I can tell you that Bud heard and saw some really bad things that final season (not from me of course - except for maybe once) but mostly from the procession of pissed off fans coming down the steps that wanted to give him one last f-u. They finally put an usher in the front row aisle who we had to look at for several games, and checked tickets to our section constantly - in a half empty stadium - to keep people out of there. That went on most of the season. And for whatever reason, we always seemed to be exiting the stadium at the same time Bud was getting on one of his two blue hair express buses that were parked at the curb between the old Astrohall and the SE ped ramp ..... things got pretty ugly out there too.

pittbull3
08-06-2008, 09:28 PM
Pittbull, how passionate were Steelers fans in the mid to late 1960's when they were playing at old Pitt Stadium and in the final stages of nearly 40 years of futility and sucky teams?


Thats part of my point. Until any franchise gets to winning, the passion never really begins. Passion comes with Tradition. Passion comes with Team ownership loyalty to their fan base. There were fans going to those steeler games in the 60's, my father and his crew, one of them. But, the percentage of passionate, real fans was minimal and had to grow over time. That is the stage the Texan fans are at. Once we win, it will add to the fever that comes along with passion, and it will carry over to the city. That is the reason you can go anywhere in the U.S and find "Steeler, Packer, Cowboys bars", in cities that have their own teams. People have migrated all over the country, and still kept their fan base, while those fans birthed new generations of fans. But, at the same time, you will never find opposing team watering holes with allegiance to any other team. That is the passionate fans I'm referring to. I'm sure when the oilers were around, this was Oiler country. Now, we have to contend with a split city, Texan/Titan/Cowboy fans. But that will change as we win.

Again....I'M A TEXAN Fan, but I'm looking at this thing through what has been shown thus far. We are growing and the Texan Nation is getting bigger. I'm just happy to be an original and not a bandwagon fan!:bat:

aj.
08-06-2008, 09:36 PM
Until any franchise gets to winning, the passion never really begins.

... and the bandwagoning.

I know....let's talk about what it means to be a real fan.

That was a joke.

btw, i can't remember if I told you this but my wife's Dad's side have lived in Pitt since the 30's. They are wonderful old style classic terrible towel wavin' Italians with names like Louie, Geno, Joey, and Tommy, and one of the reasons I know that the Steelers weren't all that popular pre-Three Rivers is from conversations with them. Another is by checking attendance records from the dismal years in Forbes and Pitt.

I think you underestimate the passion of Houstonians for their pro football. If the oxidizer is winning, this fueled up, pent up powderkeg of fandom is ready to friggin explode when someone lights the playoff match, just like it did in 1978. I can't wait to experience it, because I know at some point in the future there will be a game at Reliant that tops that game in Sept 2002 in terms of excitement and meaning.

pittbull3
08-06-2008, 09:44 PM
... and the bandwagoning.

I know....let's talk about what it means to be a real fan.

That was a joke.

btw, i can't remember if I told you this but my wife's Dad's side have lived in Pitt since the 30's. They are wonderful old style classic terrible towel wavin' Italians with names like Louie, Geno, Joey, Tommy and Fedico, and one of the reasons I know that the Steelers weren't all that popular pre-Three Rivers is from conversations with them. Another is by checking attendance records. There are people out there who think that some cities, especially in the northeast, were always fanatic in their ways. And that's not entirely true.

your exactly right, they weren't always fanatical...But they are now...

T- E - X- A- N - S, Texans, Texans, Texans!:texflag:

Texan_Bill
08-07-2008, 08:56 AM
Thats part of my point. Until any franchise gets to winning, the passion never really begins.

Point.... Counterpoint

The Oilers never really won anything (AFL Championships aside) yet 50,000+ passionate fans showed up after a loss.....(and actually did it twice).

http://www.mackhayes.com/MomBday.jpg

http://www.mackhayes.com/guitardome1.jpg
(Look at the crowd in the background, not Mack Hayes in the foreground).

Mailman
08-07-2008, 09:51 AM
Yep. I'd say that most of today's Texans fans over 35 years old were Oilers fans when they were in Houston.


Check.

I'll always have a deep emotional connection to the Houston Oilers. They were my first love, and Earl Campbell was my childhood hero. I have some 1979/80-era Houston Oilers memorabilia (including Ray Buck's "He Ain't No Bum" ) and old press guides that I like to pull out of that special box in the closet and get all weepy over.

aj.
08-07-2008, 01:01 PM
The Oilers never really won anything

They won the hearts of a City and a good portion of the state, without winning a championship. And whether Pittbull realizes it or not, there are a LOT of those people, and their decendents still around - just waiting for the spark.

Like a hostage holding a newspaper, that one photo is easy to date.

September 21, 1980 - Week 3 - Oilers 21 Baltimore Colts 16
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198009210oti.htm
The last year of Bum and LYB.
That might have been the one game that Earl missed that year based on Carpenter's rushing stats.
I was a lot younger then, and sitting in the field level to the left of that view of the Pavilion - all the way around past the chute by the visitor locker room entrance.
Little did we know that in the following 3 months, Kenny King would to go to a Pro Bowl, Pastorini would win a Super Bowl ring (always a great trivia question) and the New Years Eve Massacre would outrage us all. Al Davis seriously got over on Bud with that series of deals.
http://www.mackhayes.com/MomBday.jpg

Double Barrel
08-07-2008, 01:19 PM
I think you underestimate the passion of Houstonians for their pro football. If the oxidizer is winning, this fueled up, pent up powderkeg of fandom is ready to friggin explode when someone lights the playoff match, just like it did in 1978. I can't wait to experience it, because I know at some point in the future there will be a game at Reliant that tops that game in Sept 2002 in terms of excitement and meaning.

QFT

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind about what this city will be like when the Texans start winning more than they lose. This is a football city in a football state. The explosion of fanaticism will look like a mushroom cloud to the rest of the country.

Pittbull underestimates Houston, and overestimates the "fans" of organizations with winning traditions. It's not that migration has taken fans of Steelers, Packers, Cowboys around the country, it's the bandwagon that forms when teams win multiple championships.

Check.

I'll always have a deep emotional connection to the Houston Oilers. They were my first love, and Earl Campbell was my childhood hero. I have some 1979/80-era Houston Oilers memorabilia (including Ray Buck's "He Ain't No Bum" ) and old press guides that I like to pull out of that special box in the closet and get all weepy over.

Earl was/is a big hero of mine, as well. Those were special times, and the people of Houston rallied around and bonded because of the excitement of the Luv Ya Blue years.

Those days will return. It might be luv ya bull or whatever, but it's the same core of Houston football fans and their next generations that will continue to carry the torch. Peter King is just some yankee writer who obviously has a bur under his saddle towards this city.

aj.
08-08-2008, 07:54 PM
Where are all those passionate Steelers fans? You would have thought they were chomping at the bit to see their team for the first time in '08. :)

(Heinz appears to be about 60% full at best at the 7 minute mark of the 1st quarter)

mexican_texan
08-09-2008, 08:24 PM
I'm not gonna bother reading this thread I'll just say this:
I read Peter King's columns only and there's no one out there who likes the Texans as much as he does. As far as whether Texans fans are passionate, we don't compare to the Redskins or the Eagles.